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The Sufficiency Debate

I appreciate so much all who have weighed in on my “Pastors and Counselors” post. It’s apparent that this is an issue that touches deep nerves of emotional pain and spiritual conviction.

Since my last comment, I’ve gone back and found something that I wrote ten years ago. If you are inclined, and have time to read it, please keep in mind that what I’m copying here was not written in response to any of our present conversation:

“One side says that God in His wisdom has given us in the Bible all we need to help casualties of sexual abuse, domestic violence, depression, addiction, suicidal thoughts, anorexia, delusional thinking, and a host of other problems of the soul. The other side says that in addition to the Bible, God in His mercy has given our generation support groups, professional counselors, antidepressants, personality tests, and a wealth of practical understanding and research to help deal realistically with our problems.

But, the “Bible is enough” people respond that the additions aren’t helping. The extras are replacing the Word of God. As Francis Schaeffer warned, “nature is eating up grace.” Our generation has become biblically illiterate. We’re praying too little and paying too much for counselors who don’t understand the root issues. In spite of mountains of information and floods of counseling resources, personal problems are at epidemic levels.Too many have forgotten that in matters not rooted in biological origins, the Bible is sufficient for substantial spiritual healing, growth, and personal wholeness.

To this the “not Bible only people” are likely to respond, you’re right about our spiritual losses. But who can tell where the line between physical and spiritual starts and stops? Why not use antidepressants, group therapy, or personality analysis if such tools can help relieve misery and complement spiritual answers?

But, says the first group, helping people cope with their problems may remove the pain God is using to bring them to Himself.

Then, says the second group, maybe we should also withhold the human milk of kindness from the poor, a cup of cold water from the thirsty, and a loaf of bread from the hungry, so as to avoid making anyone too comfortable.

At this point, I say stop! What does the Bible itself say? Does it show that a wise person will use only Scripture to help people who are hurting? No. There is God the Father, who answered the troubled, angry, disillusioned, grieving heart of Job by pointing him to a wealth of zoological, meteorological, and astronomical phenomena. There are the prophets who over and over again started with “general revelation” insights to point wayward hearts back to God.

There is David, who said that God is constantly speaking through nature. There is Nathan, who used a provocative anecdote to bring David to his senses and to tell him that he failed to live up to standards of human decency. There is Solomon, who collected proverbs and insights from all walks of life, but emphasized the safety of “many advisors,” and the value of a wise person who can help surface issues of the heart.

There is Paul, who quoted a pagan poet. There is Jesus, who used the common illustrations of life to clarify issues of the heart.

Don’t get me wrong. I long for a “Psalm 119 love” for the Word of God. I am confident that the Bible alone is an authoritative yardstick for evaluating moral and spiritual issues. I cannot avoid the fact, however, that the Scriptures themselves do not give us a model of “Bible only” thinking. Instead, they give us inspired examples of “people helpers” who use the facts and observations of the natural world to get people’s attention, illustrate their points, and bring people face to face with the Word of God.

But aren’t secular sources of medicine or counseling unable to define the real problems of the heart? Yes, but a person suffering from the acute pain of appendicitis, poison ivy, grief, or obsessive compulsive “checking” might need some other attention before hearing us quote Scripture.

While we need to be concerned for people who are spending their money and hope on ineffective solutions, we also need to see the value and wisdom of being, as far as people are concerned, bridge-builders rather than bridge-burners. We need to be careful about how we criticize people helpers, when we have no time or resources to do better. We need to be careful not to broadbrush counseling as if all counseling were hostile to Christian values.

Counseling, Christian or secular, can be a process of honesty. A wise counselor can take the time a pastor often doesn’t have-and use skills that Bible teachers often haven’t cultivated-to help troubled people surface beliefs, opinions, attitudes, and behaviors they are not inclined to admit to themselves. Many professionals or lay people have accumulated wisdom in matters of mental health, domestic violence, sexual abuse, or even finance management that can supplement, without replacing, the moral, spiritual, and biblical gifts of a wise pastor or Christian friend.

I’ve lived long enough to see some of the most conservative people embarrassed and broken by disclosure of problems they had been hiding behind the Bible. I’ve lived long enough to know that some of the people who talk about the Bible being all they need are really saying they don’t want anyone poking around in their business.

The Bible alone is God’s yardstick of spiritual truth. Counseling can be a test of our honesty. Medicine can be a mercy. The three can work together, or they can work against or replace one another.

Replacement is a danger but not an inevitability. In our efforts to help people, we must make sure that counseling resources do not replace the Word of God. But we must also realize that the Scriptures were not given to replace human relationships, medicine, wise counsel, or even general revelation.

When understood, the Scriptures give us a perspective on all of life. And when understood in light of the Bible, all of life can be used to direct lost and hurting people back to the God of the Scriptures.” (1997)


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18 Responses to “The Sufficiency Debate”

  1. rokdude5 says:

    “Life application” of what the Scriptures say is what eludes me often. I want to follow the Word yet I dont want to be “legalistic” and unloving. At first blush, I would think about Phil 4:8 – “Finally, brethen, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.” If I was to not only think but DO these things then I know Im in God’s will at all times. However in Col 3:16 “Let the Word of Christ dwellin you richly, as you teach and admonish ONE ANOTHER in all wisdom,…”

    This is an issue Im having with my 20 year step-son and my wife that is pitting us against one another. I really want to do what God wants for all of us but what is that clearly spelled out? Of course, I need to talk to fellow believers and weigh their advice against the Word.

  2. Your Love Inspires says:

    This post, along with the previous discussion on Fundamentalism has brought us to thought that will deepen our faith. Jesus Himself touched on this subject when He admonished the Pharisees for being critical of Him associating with “scum” as he responded “Healthy people don’t need a Doctor, sick people do.” Matt 9:12(NLT) My life started out in sickness when I was molested as a young child. God put a Christian Doctor of Psychology before me who walked with me patiently through the healing process, the times of growth and the times of darkness, while not charging me anything for his time. We are now the best of friends. There are many of us who have “special needs” and for those who would try and tell us otherwise, I will say, you have not walked in our shoes. Instead of being critical, have empathy. The kind of love that Jesus shows to mankind involved Him walking with us in the flesh as to experience our joy, pain and shortcomings before He went to The Cross for us. To those of us who are “damaged goods,” Jesus says “I tell you, her sins-and they are many-have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love.” Luke 7:47 (NLT) Praise God for His Son and the people he has put in our lives to facilitate our restoration.

  3. mozes says:

    For the past 14 years I have been trying to find God in the middle of my emotional hurricane (depression). I spent the first 4 months of my illness searching for God and His Word to relieve my pain. God carried me through those first stormy months. However, I still didn’t know what was wrong with me. After 4 months of agony, I finally went for Medical help, which included counselling and medication. It was through these outlets that I was able to finally get answers as to what was going on inside.
    In June of 1994, I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Depression. Finally I was able to put a name to my emotional pain. That in itself was a huge relief. For me medication & counselling help me to me cope with my illness.
    Through my illness God taught me to be honest with myself. How could I be truly honest with God and others when I wasn’t being honest with myself. It was a very humbling experience. One I am truly grateful for.

    With counselling I learn practical tools to cope with my anxiety and panic attacks. Sometimes I just need someone to talk to and listen to me…that can mean the most to me.
    God is my sufficiency, and it is He that I rely on to get me through the day. His Grace is deffinately sufficient. I see His Grace in the people He has placed in my life. My incredibley wonderful Husband who is so patient with me. My work place that has shown me so many acts of kindness. Close friends and family members who love me no matter what, and are my biggest cheerleaders in life. Their love and kindness are a constant reminder of what an amazing God we have!

  4. brownsa says:

    I have been living with a chronic health problem for almost 30 years. As a human being I am subject to physical illness, mental illness, emotional issues, and chronic health problems that need trained medical professionals to heal, stabilize, counsel and medicate. I am thankful to God that these “human resourses” are available to me, because i am not sure what my relationship to God would be without them. I believe God expects us to make use of both them and His Grace and His Holy Word. It is not and never should be a choice between one or the other — rather it is both of them working together to achieve whatever level of healing that is God’s will for us..

  5. Gale L. Jarvis says:

    Good morning everyone, Mart, i believe God has given us the answers that will help us get through what ever situation that comes into our lives, but just getting through life is not how i believe God desires for us to live.
    I believe many times when something comes into our lives that we cannot understand the why’s, and if there is some thing that can be done to help relieve the pain, whether it is mental, physical, or even spiritual, or what ever may be causing pain, if there is someone that I believe God has given the gift of helping with that problem, God has okayed it.
    I believe God’s healing comes in many ways, and forms.
    I had pain in my feet for many years, had 3 operations, and was told nothing else could be done, and when i began involving God in my problem, the Holy Spirit through the Word in Mathew 25, doing for others i am doing for the Lord, the Holy Spirit’s thoughts to me through these words were if i will keep my mind on the Lord and others the pain would not bother me, but this has also been like a gage for me, because when my feet start causing me pain, i can know i have a problem that only can be cured through obedience to a promise God has made me if i will obey.
    God’s grace is unlimited, and always suffient if i will be obedient.

  6. paul bishop says:

    Jesus quoted scripture to the devil. He healed the
    lame, blind and the sick. Did He blast the afflicted
    with guilt about being needy? I believe the Bible
    defines why there are afflictions: 1) to glorify Christ
    2) Because of ungodly fathers ( 3rd and 4th generation ).
    As the Psalmist said: It is good that I was afflicted,
    that I might learn thy statutes. Wasn’t there a pool
    where people could go to be healed? Isn’t this like
    medicine or diet? To the ” Bible Only ” people that
    don’t have issues of wholeness: Easy for you to say!

  7. poohpity says:

    I believe you hit the nail on the head when you stated that ” this generation is biblically illiterate” and I believe we are also not honest in our evaluation of ourselves. The bible is very insightful about human nature and about the God we serve yet many over look the truths written in it’s pages and the application for every generation, they are timeless. If we could have only learned from history.

    God in His infinite wisdom has known that we find it hard to fully look to or trust something unseen so He has given us people with gifts for healing whether physically or emotionally and He is the one who heals us spiritually. I really believe He would like to be the sole provider in our lives but that would give us nothing to do with our time. In our being His Body we can be used to bring healing and comfort to those in pain. The day will come when all we do is praise Him in all His glory but while we are here we have a lot of healing work to do with whatever gift we are given. So I believe we need to dig into His Holy Word and get out of those pews and get to work being His hands, feet and ears with the love only he can give.

  8. BruceC says:

    Who are we? We are mere human beings. Who are we to demand what tools the Lord of the universe may use to work in our lives? To almost demand from an all-powerful God that He do things our way? Everything in creation is His to do with as He pleases according to His wonderful will. Folks have died for lack of a blood transfusion because they fail to see this. I have some bad health issues and I have told my doctors that I pray for them and that the Lord uses them to help the sick and I ask that the Lord will bless them. As a cop I’ve seen people with mental illness helped by professionals who at times show more concern than many from the church. And I have seen folks who “name it and claim it” almost die because their faith was not based on actual physical proof of a healing. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. God is not limited to one way; he can use either and He knows why. We should trust Him with that.

  9. daisymarygoldr says:

    Your decade-old debate is still very effective and the arguments are presented very well. Have to confess that “support groups, professional counselors, antidepressants, personality tests …” is unfamiliar territory for me. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive (1Cor 10:23) and I will not be mastered by anything (1Cor 6:12).

    Merely quoting scriptures will certainly not help meet the needs of the afflicted. We do give food to the hungry, clothes to protect and keep them warm, medicine to heal their bodies and comfort to relieve their aching hearts. “…secular sources of medicine or counseling” may solve problems of the physical body, brain and mind “…but a wounded spirit who can bear?”(Pro18:14).

    It will be too naive for us to think that this struggle is just against flesh and blood… Therefore, “…all of life can be used to direct lost and hurting people back to the God of the Scriptures” because it is the God of ‘peace’ who makes us holy in every way, for our whole- ‘spirit’ and ‘soul’ and ‘body’ to be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ returns (1 Thess 5:23).

  10. desert rose says:

    Mart, I hope you have time to read this response. I am actually crying. I too have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Anxiety and Depression that has been caused by being spiritually abused from 1968 to 1982. This abuse was not only spiritual, by mental, emotional and sexual.

    This is the first time I have read a Christian Leader endorse the pain that sometimes needs outside help other than the scripture. I had and still have to relearn what I was taught, or brainwashed all those years. I find peace and solace in knowing that God understands but I also have a lot of guilt (caused by my past experiences) because I don’t feel like I am living up to what I think God expects from me.

    The sad thing is it comes from the brainwashing and misuse of the scripture. We were minpulated and controlled by what they said the scripture said.

    Thank you so much for your blog today and the others who commented.

  11. Mart De Haan says:

    Am so thankful for the honesty, grace, and shared sense of need that has brought us to our Lord and to one another.

  12. creeder51 says:

    I found two things to be the simplest for me in my walk with the Lord:
    1) Keep short accounts – 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” Pray and confess often throughout each day.
    2. Keep salvation and righteousness simple Micha 6:8 “…you know what God requires…do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with God”

    By doing this you are constantly seeking His guidance and council.

    This plus seek the council of good/mature christians and life’s issues will always work-out.

    I do agree that some may need to seek professional counseling first so that they physical needs are met before their spirit can be reached.

  13. mozes says:

    To daisymarygoldr:

    To be totally honest, I am a little hurt by your last comments. However, in fairness to you this is a difficult discussion to have over a blog.

    I am very well aware that we struggle not against flesh and blood but against satan.

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12 kjv

    Every morning I wake up, I know that I will be walking onto a spiritual battlefield. My Lord is the only one who can heal my wounded spirit. There is no one else who can.

    I do not take advice from Counselors for granted. Everything is passed through the Word of God first.
    I do not depend on them for my salvation or for them to solve my problems, nor do I worship them and their solutions. They teach me coping skills and listen me when others are too busy.

    If you were on a battlefield and a fellow soldier was wounded, would you say, “Let God take care of him”, or would you stop, take out a cloth and try to stop his bleeding, murmur words of encouragement, while waiting for a medic team to arrive.”

    We are all the walking wounded. Whatever our wounds are, our Saviour is the only one who can heal our wounded spirits. Until His return, we need to help each other out as best we can.

  14. daisymarygoldr says:

    mozes,
    Sincerely apologize for my hurtful comments but can you please specify the hurtful words or lines so it will help me to know not to use them again?

    Also, please point out the very sentence that gave you the impression that I will hesitate to help a fellow wounded soldier. My job is to teach the medic teams to do the needful and pray what should make you think that I would remain a passive bystander? BTW, everything that you said resounds with what I have expressed except for the counselor part. Did I accuse you of going to one?

    Would you like to come see how it is on my side of the battlefield? You would be appalled…Please, do not think that you are all by yourself…we are all in this together. Will surely try and help to the best of my ability if you would ask me to… but for now, be assured of my prayers for the healing of your wounds…

    Note aside: My response to the topics posted here is general comments on Mart’s thoughts and may not be taken personally. I do enjoy the interaction with you all and love to answer your questions but please let me know if it is distasteful or inappropriate… I will gladly oblige and refrain from speaking.

  15. Ted M. Gossard says:

    Yes. I hate it when people are looked down on for being down and at times even out. I’ve seen this done in the name of Christ, and it reflects a poor reading (or maybe lack of reading) of Scripture, I believe. And it loses out, because some of those closest to Christ have known what it means to suffer “the dark night of the soul.”

    I am sad to say that I think there can be a shallowness in those who look down on those who suffer and get professional help. You’re marked for life by some, if you did. Maybe even many, and perhaps all of us struggle to look at someone the same way, since we’ve been inflicted with a false triumphalistic Christianity. What if we could really accept each other in those cases? How much it could help in others recovering and accepting themselves in the Lord, and going on to healing and substantial wholeness.

    I love Bill Pierce and “Nightsounds” over the years. There was a man (still working, last time I saw) who wonderfully ministered unashamedly to the down and out and broken, and I can’t help but think that he knew what it was like. At least God has given him a deep empathy and understanding of such. And he ministered Christ through the music and spoken word of God and words of counsel and hope.

    Getting off your post a bit, Mart, but I agree. I think we can find God’s grace at work in many secular places, while at the same time we critique it all in light of Scripture, God’s word.

  16. mozes says:

    To daisymarygoldr:

    I owe you an apology… I am sorry!! I am not used to being exposed to such different view points. The thing is I really do appreciate your views. Your views have given me much to think on. It is not what you said, it is how I interperated them that is at fault. Again, my apolagies.

  17. daisymarygoldr says:

    mozes,
    You don’t need to apologize…this is such a sensitivity issue and I would have reacted the same way too. Have a great Sunday!

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