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Predestination and the Freedom to Choose

Could it be true that God determines who will go to heaven, but leaves us with the impression that the choice is ours?

Some students of the Bible are convinced that the doctrines of total depravity, foreknowledge, election, predestination, and sovereign grace are essential to an understanding of the grace of God. They believe that the alternative to these doctrines gives too much credit to human choice, human intelligence, and human character. Others say that free will and choice are foundational to the heartfelt response God wants from us-that without freedom of choice we end up being puppets rather than persons.

So who is right? Let’s see if some definitions are helpful.

Total depravity is the teaching that every part of our being has been damaged by sin. In our natural state, none of us will look for the kind of God who has made us for Himself (Romans 3:10-12). So unless God intervenes, we will continue wandering from Him in spiritual darkness.

Foreknowledge and election mean that even before creation God foreknew and chose those who would be saved (Romans 8:29-31). Some understand this to mean that in His foreknowledge God chose those He knew would choose Him. Others are convinced that people like those described in Romans 3:10-12 will not choose God unless He first chooses them and enables them to believe.

Predestination means that God has predetermined that those who believe in His Son will eventually be conformed to the likeness of Christ (Romans 8:29-31). Some think this is a kind of action that overrides human will and choice. Others see it as the action that works with our will to assure that the salvation we desire will be fully realized.

Sovereign grace is a term used to emphasize that salvation begins and ends with God alone, and that because of our inclination to wander away from Him this rescue is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness to us.

Now back to our questions. Have we been so damaged by sin that we will only choose God when He intervenes in our behalf? Do we move toward God only when He moves us? Just about the time I am thinking freedom to choose is only an illusion, I remember the Old Testament story of Job. In a conversation that took place in heaven, God asked Satan to consider one man who stood out from all of the rest of mankind. Satan’s response was that Job was better than other men because God had bribed him to behave well. According to the adversary, God was giving Job protection and wealth in exchange for Job’s faithfulness. Satan’s argument was significant. It focused on Job’s choices and motives, not on the accusation that God had sovereignly caused Job to be better than others.

Satan acknowledged that Job chose to serve God, but said that he did so from self-serving motives. Satan’s comments combine with the Lord’s to show that Job was an issue of conversation-because of Job’s choices. Nothing in the story leaves God open to the charge that Job was merely a puppet-servant who did what God programmed him to do.

Where does this leave us? I think it leaves us once again with a sense of the mystery and wonder of God. It also leaves us with an opportunity to find our bearings by orienting ourselves to what we know, rather than to what we don’t know. By going back to truths we’ve already accepted, we can conclude:

1. A right view of foreknowledge and election will deepen our appreciation for the goodness of God. If our thoughts about election and predestination cause us to doubt that God is inexpressibly wonderful, we can safely conclude it is our understanding of what we don’t know that is flawed (Psalm 34:8).

2. A right understanding of God’s sovereignty will ignite a passion to reach the lost. The men and women of the New Testament set a pace for us. They risked their lives to give others a chance to hear and believe what Christ has done for us. They believed what God wants us to believe, and they acted in a way God wants us to act. If our understanding of free will and sovereignty kills our concern for others, then it is our thoughts that are flawed.

3. A right view of God’s sovereign grace will promote humility rather than pride. Any truth rightly understood leads us to a God who in turn causes us to see ourselves and one another in His shadow (Deut. 29:29).

4. A right view of election and predestination will prompt Christlike love for fellow believers. Together these truths show how much God has done for His family. The example of His eternal love is a strong reason for us to care for one another as He has cared for us.

5. A right view of free will gives honor to God. Nothing is more basic than that God deserves honor for being what we could never be, and for doing for us what we could never do for ourselves. Our salvation in time and eternity begins and ends with Him. We are the ones who have messed up. He is the one who has come to our rescue. His choices are what we need to honor. Again, I don’t know how to sort all of this out. But I’m confident of this: The Bible wants us to take our own choices seriously, even if only to keep saying, Yes, Lord, I do invite You to live Your life through me. Please do for me what I cannot do for myself. I do want to be under the influence and control of Your Spirit.


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21 Responses to “Predestination and the Freedom to Choose”

  1. Your Love Inspires says:

    It is amazing how many interpretations can be derived through our faith. I remember the last time I sat in church a few years ago the Pastor said “If you are not in God’s will, nothing you do will be succesful.” At the time this church was going through an attempted expansion and was asking for monthly commitments of support. I thought about all the lies, deciet, and evil that is prospering in the world today and came to the conclusion that his was a false statement. (in context, probably meant to make us open our wallets for the chosen) There are many who believe they are the “elect” as evidenced by a bumper sticker or license plate rim that states they are “chosen girls,” like they are in some kind of exclusive club. And it always seems with this belief comes an attitude of entitlement that is reflected by self centered ways that will sacrifice another for a perceived “greater good,” at least this has been my experience.

    Amazing Grace… that saved a wretch like me. (us) A loving Father who sacrificed His Son Jesus for us, before raising Him to the heights of Heaven to one day rein in His righteousness. A grace that is free for all who call out in His name. Let us be ambassadors of His love and sacrifice, serving others as a witness to our belief in the One who made possable the miracle of grace. Anything else will divide us.

    Your awesome love, it follows us, with every step we take,
    when life is hard, at times unfair, we are reminded of Your grace.

    It is in those times, we know You are there, Your presence carries us through,
    Your awesome love, it is all we need, please bring us close to You…

  2. rokdude5 says:

    Praise God that He has chosen me. I dont know why but Im glad he did. Is it possible that God chose EVERYONE but some of us still reject Him?

    Since predestination and free will is in the Bible, in my mind, there has to be some sort of harmony between the two. Imagine, if you will, playing chess with God. Of course, He has already made the first gazillion moves. Now its my turn. I do have the choice which piece to move but God already knows how to counter any of my moves. Of course, at the end of the game, guess who will be King. PS I love this blog. I hope Im not “over blogging”.

  3. RichardR says:

    I feel the confusion over this issue, as with all issues in the Bible, has been brought about by the fact that most people through the centuries, including Christians, have treated the Bible primarily as a reference book. The reason for the Bible’s existence is singular: it is a story; the story of God’s Grace and Love given to all humankind through His Son, Jesus Christ. It is not an encyclopedia.
    It’s been said that unless you read a book through from cover to cover at least three times, you can’t begin to understand it. Please, don’t stop at three times. Read it for the rest of your days. For me, the Light has shone brighter each time.

  4. poohpity says:

    I believe it says that He first “LOVED US” that is what prompts us to love Him back. I also understand that “HE KNEW WHO WOULD BE HIS”, He would like “THAT EVERY KNEE BOW IN RECOGNITION OF HIM”. Because of free will there are so many that choose not even to read His word and we were all chosen to be His but like “ADAM AND EVE” we chose not to do everything that is good for our well being. I guess the error on His part was giving us a brain and He makes so many mistakes LOL.

    I guess in having a brain it also gives us the time to discuss issues like these. I wonder if people who really assert these questions have really ever read the bible or even know anything about God. I believe it would be a privilege to be a puppet for God to be controlled by the Master Puppeteer what better hands could I be in but He cut the strings. So off I go with the instruction book and who ever follows the instructions but in His knowing that we would not follow the instruction in His infinite wisdom provided me with “GRACE”. I guess I also have the time while not serving to discuss these issues LOL.

  5. daisymarygoldr says:

    Sovereign grace, Free will, predestination, election, foreknowledge…pretty basic stuff but it is always good to touch base with the basics! Seems like the “Students of the Bible” are riding through a maze… thankfully the Bible is plain and simple for all to read and understand the right view!!

    Salvation in Jesus Christ is for WHOEVER believes and God wants ALL men EVERYWHERE to be saved. He first loved us gave His life… even while we were dead in our sins so that…no matter WHO WE ARE… if we simply believe and accept Christ by faith…it is good enough in His sight to not be condemned but pass from death into eternal life…and that is the “sovereign grace” of God!

    “Free will” is exercised to choose life or death and our eternal future ‘in Christ’ is “predestined” but the choice is still ours to make. Once in Christ we enjoy the privileges of being called His “elect” and we are not ashamed…rather we take pride in being His chosen vessels and bear His name…

    It would have been much easier for making us pre-programmed to choose life but then it will not be ‘love’ but ‘control’ that totally speaks against the nature of a ‘just’ God and be accused of being a puppeteer. Just like the way things happened in Eden, God has “foreknowledge” of who will choose Him and who will reject Him.

    Yet, He never gives up on anyone and His “predetermined” provision in Christ is open for anyone to receive… His eternal mercy is seen in the patient delay of His second coming, His commissioning us to be instant in every season to preach the word, so every one gets the chance to hear the good news, repent and be saved. And yes, He deserves all glory and honor for setting an example of His selfless love… If we love Him, we obey His commandment to love our lost neighbor as ourselves!

    Just curious…“what we can safely conclude it is our understanding of what we don’t know that is flawed”- what is it that we still don’t know?

  6. Mart De Haan says:

    daisymarygoldr, whoops, I didn’t say that very well did I. Too often, we don’t know what we don’t know. :-). I think I meant to say at the end of point 1 that, “If our thoughts about election and predestination cause us to doubt that God is inexpressibly wonderful, we can safely conclude it is what we are thinking that is flawed…

  7. Gale L. Jarvis says:

    Good morning everyone, Mart, i believe we not only have the inteligience to make choices, but i believe the choice is a little different than most people see the choice.
    I believe because God knows the thoughts of a human being, if a human being through the study of God, whether through the bible as we know it today, or as Abraham did in his day, and desires for God to be their God, and guide they will live with God.
    I believe our generation has come up with so many different ways of being Born Again that many are being separated from God instead of being drawn to Him.
    i believe the different terms others use such as needing to repent, and believing what Jesus did, and excepting Him as our Savior, and some adding must be baptised, some speaking in tounges, and many other terms only tends to confuse too many people.
    Telling people they must repent, turn 180 degrees, and then tell them, but you will continue to sin, and it will be alright.
    God knows our heart, God will not be fooled, God knew Abraham desired for God to lead him, and He knows i desire for Proverbs 3:5,6 to be my way of life.
    I believe God The Creator came to earth, became a man, shed His Eternal blood so i could have my sins forgiven while here on earth, died, and went to Hell in my place, and i have excepted Jesus as my God and Savior, but i also believe there will be many in heaven that will be there, just because they desire for God to be their God, I believe it is God’s choice, not by doing something that mankind comes up with that we must do in order to live with God.
    I believe we will be judged by the light we have been given, and what we do with it, many before us had very little light except as God says His handy work to look upon, and make the choice of life, or death.

  8. daisymarygoldr says:

    “Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much” (1 Cor 8:2).

    Mart, Thx for “simplifying” …you did say it real clear …but I don’t know why I didn’t know:) no, actually I did think that’s what you’d meant… just wanted to affirm that (maybe not always) sometimes gr8 minds do think alike!

    Have a gr8 08-08-08 everyone!!

  9. Ted M. Gossard says:

    At this point I’m seeing predestination and election in more like missional terms, though certainly not bereft of significance for our salvation. I see “double predestination” as a superficial and mistaken reading of Scripture. Who am I to judge John Calvin, but though briliant, he was human too, and it’s demonstrable that he sometimes read more than what the text is actually saying.

    We’re told to make our calling and election sure. I know that is interpreted differently. And I don’t want at all to take away mystery where mystery is present- and there’s plenty of that in God and in Scripture. But I do think there are clear enough answers which you allude to a bit. I lean towards buying a prevenient view of grace- that God enables people to repent and believe the gospel, but that this gift still involves people having to do that, or volition. Of course any good Calvinist would say that, as well!

    But good post, and good balancing questions, Mart. Good where you land, as well, though I’m a little off in the distance from you on this- though I can still see you! :)

  10. Ted M. Gossard says:

    Let me clarify myself a little in saying, any good Calvinist would unlikely buy into “prevenient grace”, but would believe in the importance of us in Jesus making our calling and election sure (2 Peter).

  11. margie smith says:

    our heavenly father is the purest form of love and his precious word tells us so repeatedly, there is no greater love , he gave his ultimate sacrifice jesus his son for all who ask, he of couse knows all things for he is the omnipotent god, we mere humans need more faith to prevent us from wondering or questioning this scripture of predestination, my faith i pray will never waver as to whether i am one of his children for all eternity, and i praise god for this faith that only comes through the precious name of jesus, let us have more faith in his promises that supercede scriptures that could cause doubt

  12. poohpity says:

    16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.[b]

    I thought I would let “thankful” know that this is the NIV version. The version shown below is the New living translation.

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

    18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.

    I am really confused as to what version was quoted by “thankful” above because I do not see that much difference in the language.

  13. chaplain tomk says:

    Election (predestination) has been a debated issue for centuries. The understanding of election/predestination/free will reaches beyond our full capacity – the finite seeking to be infinite. But reflect:

    The first premise is that no one at all may come to God unless He first draws them (Jn 6:44). Man doesn’t have the capacity to find God – As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” Salvation cannot be discovered aside from God’s initiative. God would not make a call that He knew was inadequate or insincere for the welfare of any soul. This is supported, for example, by 1 Tim 2:4. However, if salvation has not and does not affect salvation for all, then it must be because of some condition that prevents its efficacious working, eg. pride, resistance, rebellion, disinterest, ignorance, no messenger. The accusation of failure to affect salvation cannot rest upon God who says He “so loved the world that he gave…”.

    So election first starts with the precept that none can come to God unless He first initiates the call; however, I do not subscribe to irresistible grace – that those God calls are unable to resist salvation.

    Why?

    Salvation, which God provides and initiates, is dependant upon our responding to the revelation of the need and means of salvation. Now it is agreed that God does provide a convincing reason to believe. Even so, salvation is effective only to all those who respond (Jn 1:12). Does this mean that we have a part in our salvation? No, there is no ‘work’ or part we have in this process. One, we cannot choose God unless He first initiates revelation of the truth of Christ, sin, and judgment; so man cannot have a part by saying I found God. Two, when we respond to the revelation and salvation, with all the attending blessings, solely upon the finished work of Christ, we cannot even brag (Eph 2:9; 2 Cor 10:16-18).

    God has set in motion to call out of darkness all those who have been prayed for or witnessed to by His surrendered saints (foreknowledge in preparing those hearts to hear). Many are thus called, but few are chosen because many will not surrender to the revelation from God through the Body – that is why “go ..preach the gospel.” Salvation begins with God and ends with Him, and man has no part in it by works but only by responding to the light passed on by God through Body of Christ via testimony, witness, the sharing of the Word, and intercession prayer. We are not special by being saved; we are privileged to be saved.

    All of us who are children of God through Christ are involved in the plan of God! The ones whom God calls as a result of the Body’s intercession, witnessing, providing the Word, and He calls sincerely! But those who are called need to respond – free will. Tomk

    chaplain TomK

  14. Mart De Haan says:

    Gracious debate is healthy– especially about the Bible– But this is where we can also learn from the history of godly men and women who share a high view of the Bible and end up on both sides of this issue. This is also why many of us believe that the Bible is full of truths in tension. In the middle of what appear to be contradictory truths is a mystery that only God understands.

    Our human tendency, however, is to try and resolve the tension at the expense of one side of the issue or the other (i.e by emphasizing free will, or Divine Sovereignty at the expense of what the Bible says about the other).

  15. fishingmiami says:

    chosen by god= you were born, meaning all who have been born to this earth were chosen by God to be here.

    freedom to chose= free will to choose or deny God even though you were chosen by God to be here on this earth does not mean that YOU or I are guaranteed choose to accept the Son to be with him on the new earth that will be created after his 1000 year reign on this earth.

    this is where the lies of satan come in. the master of confusion and false doctrine. if we are free to choose and satan is attacking us with false doctrine,lies,religion(not relationship) and even a question within the word of God. just a little confusion in one matter of scripture is enough to turn people away from god forever. again a choice made by us to deny him because a possible misinterpretation or misunderstanding of an interpretation.

    i believe both are correct. we were chosen and have freedom to choose.

    both have happened to me. he chose me to be born from my moms. i chose Jesus after I met him and found out for “myself” who he Is.

    lord i pray for those who are struggling with this matter that you give clarity and understanding. may your will be done above all!

  16. Mart De Haan says:

    OK, Gm, we’re just repeating the same things over and over. Not getting anywhere, Am closing the discussion about whether or not obedience to all of the commands of Christ is a pre-condition for salvation– and am deleting prior lengthy discussion since it was off subject of this post.

    I know we both agree with 2Tim 3:16-17 which explains why all of Scripture is important when it says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

    But when you reason that our sins are not forgiven until we are baptized, or until we keep all of the commands of Christ, I believe you are unintentionally denying the grace of Christ, his death for our sins, and right motives for wanting to live by his Word.

    Because you have asked– what then about Mark 16:16? I’ll copy here, in conclusion, an explanation from The Bible Knowledge Commentary,

    “Though the New Testament writers generally assume that under normal circumstances each believer will be baptized, 16:16 does not mean that baptism is a necessary requirement for personal salvation. The second half of the verse indicates by contrast that one who does not believe the gospel will be condemned by God (implied) in the day of final judgment (cf. 9:43-48). The basis for condemnation is unbelief, not the lack of any ritual observance.

    Baptism is not mentioned because unbelief precludes one’s giving a confession of faith while being baptized by water. Thus the only requirement for personally appropriating God’s salvation is faith in Him (cf. Rom. 3:21-28; Eph. 2:8-10).”

    Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983-c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scriptures (2:195). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.

  17. fishingmiami says:

    His grace is sufficient. one example of this is the thief on the cross. he did not have the time or ability to come down from the cross and go get baptized.

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