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Beer Summits and the Bible

As I’ve read the news reports on the President’s meeting with police Sergeant James Crowley and Harvard Scholar Henry Louis Gates, I’ve been interested in the different responses.

The highly charged racial implications around the event that prompted the arrest of Professor Gates, together with  the public debate that followed, showed how quickly each of us can relate to our own life-experiences and prior assumptions.

Then comes what the press tags as “the Beer Summit” at the “Rose Garden,” and at least one follow-up opinion that our  President acted more like a bartender in this conversation than a mediator.

At this point I’m reminded of something I read years ago about a well known Christian leader and social advocate who, while pressing the issue of poverty, said in the course of a church sermon something like, “A lot of you don’t give a [blank] about children dying in Africa, and now you are far more concerned about the fact that I just said [blank] than you are about those kids.”

Reminded me that we all probably have a our own favorite ways of making sure that we don’t have  to really listen to those we disagree with. Sometimes we hit the off or mute button when the other person’s emotions become a bit too hot, or if the volume goes up a bit too high in their voice, or if they use inappropriate language or ask to talk over a beer rather than a coke or a cup of tea or coffee.

The point here  is not the alcohol. Vice-President Biden, who was also at the table, represents those of us who choose not to indulge by asking for a non-alcoholic beverage. When discussing such important issues as racial bias and appropriate law enforcement policy “the beer” is a non-issue.

Jesus showed as much when he was criticized for eating and drinking with “the enemy”. He was far more concerned about issues of reconciliation with God and one another and was willing to take some risks to get there.

Just this week I participated in some “team building exercises” with some co-workers that brought us to the table to listen to one another. The facilitator didn’t try to solve our problems. Neither did he act as a judge or even a mediator. But he did help us to talk. He helped us to listen. And in the process we came away with a better understanding and deeper appreciation of one another that help to put in perspective the issues we tend to disagree about.

Jesus entered the conversation of his day about racial issues. It was a big issue with him. By taking risks he listened and was listened to.

Admittedly, it doesn’t take being a follower of Jesus to see the value of listening. But from where I sit, sometimes I think that no one needs to be reminded to “come to the table” and “listen” to our enemies– than those of us who have taken the name of “Christ’s-people”.

It was James, a servant of Jesus, who wrote, “My dear brothers and sisters, be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry” (James 1:19).

My guess is that we’ve all learned the hard way on this one. Thankfully, the point of our faith is not so much the moral standard– as the forgiveness we have been offered, and the spiritual help we’ve been given to move past our natural instincts– to not listen.


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  1. rokdude5 says:

    To me its interesting that one comment raises whether the President is a mediator or a bartender. Like your team-building meeting, is it necessary for the President to mediate all squabbles that comes his way?

    I think having beer is a ploy used by the President to show everyone at the table that they could be all “pals” if they talk to one another and air out their differences. Im wondering if that subliminal message would have come across with wine, soda, tea or milk though that approach would be absurb, let’s say, at the UN Security Council meeting.

    I know I have my inability to listen. Just ask my wife. She will start talking to me and eventually I tuned her out then I end up in the dog house when she gives me a pop quiz about what she just talked about. (I hate pop quizzes.)

    Youre right Mart…I need to become a better listener whether it be friends or foes or my wife but most importantly, our Heavenly Father. RJ

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, this is a subject that has many layers. Racisim,politics,culture,Religion,and division. Which subject should I address first?

    Like our old friend, plumape and I said long ago, there are some mighty deep conversations heard and discussed at the bar stool.

    He would agree with me, I am sure, that when the differences of opinion shows up at the bar, the result is a bar fight.

    I think this topic is ripe for just that.

    Jesus sat down with people everyone considered sinners, and with people who were thought of as rightious. All seen as equal in their need for His gospel and teaching.

    Obama is not the peace maker in this story. He inflamed this situation by jumping to a rash and irresponsibe conclution. Then in an attempt to look like one of the good ole boys ( people he said were “Bible thumping, gun totting, racists” only a few months ago)and brings more attention to the story by saying lets have a beer together and just forget the whole thing.

    In all of my Bible study the only character I see coming close to this President, might be Samson. Certainly not the Christ.

    Mart you said you really didn’t reach any agreement in you disagreements other than you understand better why you disagree. During your meeting.

    From what I have understood about the meeting between Obama, Pro. Gates and Sgt Crowley, they came away with the same results.

    Professor Gates is something of a local celebrity here in our local Newspaper. It turns out he is from a small town not far from us, Piedmont,WV. The paper ran stories about him for several days after this incident.

    I have to wonder why didn’t they play up the local boy makes good story when he went from small town USA to Harvard Professor?

    The National liberal press made this a story, because it inflames racisim in people and that sells news.

    I am way beyond being sickened by the News Media and their twisting and slanting events to make them seem important.

    By the way I heard last night on the news that Michael Jackson was still dead.

  3. poohpity says:

    I have a close friend who does not get her paper work in on time and is often late for work yet she cries the racial card when others are promoted before her. I feel very confused over this thought of entitlement because of race.

    I guess this is the realist in me. How can one ever accept the grace of God if no one takes responsibility for their own actions and blames their behaviors on someone else. It was not the policeman who twisted Mr Obama’s mouth to call his actions stupid. It was not the policeman who called them selves to a suspected break in. It was not anyone but Mr Gates who did not do as he was asked to do by the authority. This was all a black thing right? Give me a break.

    So let us show the press how everyone can have a whatever kind of drink with whomever to push this topic under the rug. It seems that the only one who was doing their job was the policeman yet rather than anyone asking for his forgiveness over their wrong, they have a beer. I for one think this is very sad and shows the inexperience of our current President.

    Then on top of it we choose to talk about BEER rather than anything else. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!! :-(

  4. Loretta Beavis says:

    That police officer lays his life down for us everytime he/she goes on a call.

    I can’t imagine what a human being’s blood pressure is like when you get a radio call dispatched… I have been on the other end of the call, more than once, praying the police get there fast before I get hurt anymore or…. the “listening skills” are in the fiery furnace, let me tell you! Adrenaline has a way of drowning things out.

    Thank God for neighbors that call the police when there is fear my house might
    be broken into. My adult son “broke into” my house; the neighbor called in what he saw…not what he didn’t see… my son knew what he was doing. When confronted, he had to choose between self-control and aggression…

    God bless our peace officers for their sacrifice-it’s more than money can ever compensate.

    The news media asked a “loaded question;” they manipulate news to cause strife and stimulate hatred among us. Their paycheck comes from sensationalism. I’m sad that this event got any public attention at all by this method.

    The president is smart and he and his staff screen the events of each day and prepare answers that propagandize his doctrine.

    The “meeting” was just White House Hollywood.

    Politics is about taking sides.

    We are living in times where right is wrong and wrong is right.

    I love all my fellow Americans – Loretta Beavis

  5. afranz says:

    If the police came upon me trying to get into my own house, I would be falling all over myself showing some I.D. and letting them know in the most polite way possible that they were not facing a dangerous individual. These guys carry guns for goodness sakes! How do people with so much higher education get so stupid?
    And I do not care what they drank, that’s a red herring. The guy with the uniform and a badge has a job to do and is trained to meet resistance in a certain way. Bully for him.

  6. HEY REV says:

    HELLO AGAIN ALL OF YOU SAINTS. LET ME START ABOUT POLICE. MY DAUGHTER (ok some of you guys out there are saying; ‘WHAT” women should not be police officers)
    NO ARGUMENTS, SO DISCUSSION OVER
    I WILL NOT TAKE THE TIME NOW TO SHARE ALL HER ENCOUNTERS WITH DEATH. HER LAST WAS A 14 YR OLD BOY HOLDING OUT HIS GUN ON HER WAITING FOR HER TO REMOVE HERS FROM HER SIDE. ALL CAME OUT WELL BUT THAT ONE WAS THE LAST STRAW, AND SHE GOT OUT AFTER 11 YRS. ONE SON IS A FIREMAN IN NORTH CAROLINA,
    WHO ALSO HAS CLOSE CALLS.
    I’M SORRY TO REPORT BUT I KNOW VERY LITTLE ON THIS ONE. BUT I’M GOING TO WHAT MART IS ASKING AND I FOR ONE HOLD ON TO A VERSE IS
    PROVERBS 28:13
    HE WHO ANSWERS A MATTER BEFORE LISTENING
    THAT IS HIS FOLLY AND SHAME.
    OUR LANGUAGE TODAY WOULD SAY: HEY LET ME SPEAK AND YOU LISTEN. DON’T CUT ME OFF TILL
    YOU HEAR THE WHOLE THING.
    THE TRUTH TO THAT VERSE IS WHEN THE PERSON SPEAKS NOW COMES DISCERMENT IF IT IS TRUTH.
    BUT WE MUST ALL WAIT TILL WE
    “HEAR THE WHOLE MATTER”
    RMEMBER WHAT rokdude5 CONFESSED. HE DOES NOT LISTEN WHEN HE DECIDES. MOST HUSBANDS WILL PUT AN “AMEN” TO THAT, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT MAKE US RIGHT.
    SO FAR I’VE NOTICED MOST ARE SAYING LIKE
    L. BEAVIS “WHITE HOUSE HOLLYWOOD” SEE I’M DOING SOMETHING OR NOTICE ME. SOUNDS JUST LIKE WHAT THE PHARISEE WOULD DO AND SAY.
    (I guess we still have some around)
    I TEACH COUPLES TO DO A THING I CALL 1 & 1
    EACH HAVE ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK WHILE THE OTHER ONE “CANNOT SAY ANYTHING” TILL IT’S THEIR MINUTE. THAN THE OTHER ONE HAS TO LISTEN FOR ONE MINUTE. IT WORKS GREAT. THE FIGURES CAN BE CHANGED TO ANYTING THAT BOTH INDIVIDUALS AGREE ON. I’VE SEEN WHERE THE WIFE HAD 2 AND THE HUSBAND 1.
    (of course it can be changed to any number but it must be in total agreement between them)
    SEE WITH THIS METHOD NO ONE IS TO CUT OFF ANYONE ELSE AS THEIR TALKING. IT WORKS VERY WELL BECAUSE WE GET TO REALLY LISTEN, AND I MEAN REALLY LISTEN TO THE OTHER ONE.
    SET A TIME LIMIT OF SAY 5 MINUTES ON THE SUBJECT ON HAND AND STOP. IF IT IS NOT FINISHED BEFORE DARK STOP AND COME BACK (TO COURT) THE NEXT DAY.
    SAYING THAT MY 5 MINUTES ARE UP SO I CLOSW TIH THIS QUOTE (as I do most of the time)
    QUOTE: THERE ARE NO NEW SINS, THE OLD ONES
    JUST GET MORE PUBLICITY.
    GOD BLESS YOU ALL ( Rev.)

    P.S. by the way my “E” name (Rev) does not make me Reverend. there is nothing Reverent about me. I know (and so does God) THANKS

  7. Mart De Haan says:

    SFDBWV, in my reference to our team building exercise, I failed to say that what was most important about our time together was that in listening and talking to one another my co-workers and I had a chance to see that what we agree about is far more important than where we naturally tend to disagree.

    By listening to one another we didn’t ignore our disagreements but rather clarified the process that needs to happen when we aren’t seeing eye to eye.

    I don’t think it’s healthy to be in a group where everyone feels pressure to talk and think alike. We need our differences expressed in mutual respect so as to be reminded of what we don’t know– or have forgotten.

    As you and others have pointed out the “beer” is not the issue. Neither can we afford for a minute to forget what either police officers or racial minorities have to live with. But it’s just as true that men and women of the badge– as men and women of racial minority do not help themselves by not listening to what “their own” have done to make matters more difficult.

    My take is that, after making a “from the hip response,” asking the parties to sit down and talk about their differences is not “sweeping the matters under the rug– or under a beer”

    I’ve often tried to imagine what it would have been like to be one of the sinners sitting around a table with Jesus. Can’t imagine that he wouldn’t use a relaxed moment for the sake of showing his honest concern. Can’t imagine that it happened without laughter and an extension of friendship. Can’t imagine that our Lord would have let us make him do all of the talking.

    OK… that’s my “2 minutes” time for me to listen …

    Oops… one more thought. Yes, we are all wise to realize that in our own strength we can be like Samson. But in offering to sit down and talk… and listen… maybe we are being like “the Good Samaritan.”

  8. paulruppert says:

    One quick item to say on this, first of all disorderly conduct charge is not lawful in your own home. I feel this was a lesser charge for something else, like assault on a police officer. It appears the professor was to ignorant to realize this, as his total thought was to use the race card. Now, as far as the president opening his mouth at all on this incident, he has shown his total ignorance in his position as president. The president could be a real dictator given the chance. As far as the beer fest, well that was not thought of by the president, which was a person hired to put out his fires he creates. Did the meeting amount to something, yes it did. It may have not solved differences for the involved, but again God has thrown in an occurrence to make us all either resort to a worldly stance, or a soul seeking Christian person. As far as what actually happened or what should have been done by the police, well unless you were there, shut your mouth and pray for the ones who were there. Those of us who form opinions are out of line, you and I were not there. Was things done right, who knows but God. I have learned this with the seventeen years as a law enforcement officer. It you weren’t there, don’t make comments.

  9. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, I appreciate your comments and do understand that seeing eyeball to eyeball and discussing differences can have a mellowing effect.

    Aside from being a Mayor and being held accountable to all the people in my community. Having to juggle budgets with reality, deal with misinformation and natural disasters.

    I also was an officer in the Local United Mine Workers of America. Dealing with both petti and serious grieviances everyday for 20 plus years.

    I know all about meeting with people of opposing views and agendas.

    I also know how difficult it is to try and smooth over upset and angry people.

    I have spent my life doing just that.

    The most frustrating type of personality I deal with is the type that doesn’t care about right or wrong or doing the right thing. All they care about is themselves.

    This fellow Obama has a lot to learn about everything. Yes some aide has suggested he try and smooth over the situation and thought up this social sit down as a way of pulling the wool over the eyes of the gullable American public and their friends at the press.

    But I ain’t that blind.

    Jesus sat down with multitudes of people as well as with his friends. He made a special effort to some to spend some time with them. All to lead them to their salvation.

    Even when some tryed to trap HIM into a political situation He confounded their wisdom and walked away from it.

    When Jesus was confronted by the religious leaders of His day and He disagreed with their handling of the matters. He didn’t seek a common ground to agree on. He told the truth and stood on it. Never compromising the truth and bluring right and wrong into a gray fog.

    Gates was wrong in his behavior. The Police were correct in their action. The press was irresposible for blowing this trivial incident up into a national debate. And Obama showed his inexperiance as a leader and racial bias by making the matter worse.

  10. chfranke says:

    paulruppert
    Thank you for weighing in on this from your perspective as a law enforecement officer. I think you expressed the situation very well.

  11. wretch-like-me says:

    I have to agree with Paulruppert, as well.

    I cant tell you the number of times I hear ‘opinions’ shared by people who have no connection to an event. You hear a lot more of ‘what I think’ rather than ‘what actually happened’.

    And that my friends, I label as these ‘GOSSIP’.

    Huggs
    frank

    PS. Be careful of emails you forward without verifying truth… its the same thing. GOSSIP

  12. xrgarza says:

    Mart,

    There are a couple of comments that I would like to respond to that I personally have experienced and agree with you.

    1)”Admittedly, it doesn’t take being a follower of Jesus to see the value of listening.”

    Absolutely correct after my father died I went down the wrong path I got involved with drugs, gangs, I failed high school, got divorced, name it. I could barley read and write when I graduated from high school where my highest grade was a “D” then I get a job working for the Intel Corp. My manager whom I also adopted as my mentor and still live by a good amount of principles that he taught me, to this day he has never been a Christian. Continue praying for this man Jerry he’s an awesome person. I figure if he has had that much impact on my life without being a religious person, imagine how much more of an impact I can have on a person’s life if I just go prayed up?

    2) “Thankfully, the point of our faith is not so much the moral standard– as the forgiveness we have been offered, and the spiritual help we’ve been given to move past our natural instincts– to not listen.”

    Again I couldn’t agree with you more, you see my father was my best friend and after he died I tried to have that void filled, I went to my mother, and that totally backfired. As the years past I grew to hate and despise my mother.

    It wasn’t until recently I was reading the Bible where it says, “honor your father and your mother, (only the nice ones and the good ones)” I caught myself because I realized that it did not say that.

    God wants us to honor our parents, the nice ones, mean ones, the ones that abuse us, abandon us, etc. etc.

    I knew if I had gone to my mother and asked her “Mom what can I do to honor you?” She would not be able to verbalize any type of answer. So I went to the Lord and asked for help, “Lord I want my mother to know that she is being honored by me” I can honestly tell you that I have been honoring my mother for the last year and a half.

    It took God’s word to reveal this to me, there is no way I could figure this out on my own, (You see, I’m not as smart as I look) (just a little humor) sorry

    The cool thing was the ultimate reward, all of those things that my mother did, that just irritated me well she still does them, however they are a term of endearment for me now, I so love my mother and I am so glad that God has allowed me to experience my life with her.

    I have learned that I can hate or discriminate not only people of race or color, religion or creeds, but also family and even self. The Bible tells me to love my neighbor as myself if I don’t love myself there is no way that I could possibly love anyone else.

    I believe that we should all pray that people begin to love themselves and as a result Mentors would begin to rise up.

    Have a great day
    Xavier

  13. xrgarza says:

    There I go again forgetting to add the last words:

    I believe that we should all pray that people begin to love themselves and as a result Mentors would begin to rise up and discrimination would begin to disappear. What a childish thought, or was that a child like thought?

    Xavier

  14. poohpity says:

    Obviously I was not listening, it was not about beer, it was about listening to all sides of the issue. This is a case of bringing my own issues into the debate. It still would have been nice for those that messed up in this situation to admit their wrong as publicly as they condemned each other.

  15. scoobyweasel3@yahoo.com says:

    I have though long a hard about the key issue in this situation which is racism. This is the big elephant in the room that no one whats to talk about. It is a issue where emotions run hot and voices get higher and louder. It is good and health to talk about this subject “racism” but too many times talking turns to yelling and finger pointing and there is no discussion. Rasism comes from Satan wanting to divide us humans and have us began to hate each other. It is sad that we christians fall into the trap of looking at each other by skin color and not like Jesus did by all us being God’s children. It is a trap I fall into and fight with every day. I do not want to look at anyone by race but how I can help them get to know God better just like I am trying to do. Goverments and instutions of this world even our Goverment are the tools of Satan and will always try to bring up this subject and many others to get us to stop looking to God and looking at them to solve a problem they can not solve. Until everyone starts living by the statement my four year old brought home from Sunday school “What Would Jesus Do” this issue will never go away. Just look at nature and see how many different kinds of animals there are, then we will began to understand that God likes varity and so should we. This summit should make each of us think more about “What Would Jesus Do” rather then how any of the gentleman going to this meeting can actually solve. So each of today when this subject is brought up today let pray to Jesus to help us not look at the world throught the eyes of rasism but rather look at the subject as Jesus would. I know I am praying now to do so.

    God Bless
    Jon

  16. BobbiLee says:

    Was noticing recently that seemingly people don’t really listen any more. Whether it is waiter taking an order, a bank teller, a technical person, a sales person, family member – they might hear, but not listen to what a person is saying. I think it is almost an epidemic. The only thing I can think of is that people are so involved with themselves that there is no concept of “other”.

    Also I think we are now dealing with a generation raised with the concept that one can do what one feels like doing and it’s OK. Personally, I am getting weary of trying to relate to anyone, but never being able to “converse”. Why? Because many folks apparently are unable to have a conversation. It is all one-sided. In fact, if another says something and I don’t agree with that person in every way, smile and nod – the situation can actually become vicious. Oh my! What is going on?

  17. SFDBWV says:

    Ok am trying to zoom in on the subject of listening rather than talking.

    Was listening to a TV commercial, one of thoes very loud British spokespersons. He was selling some sort of special “rag” that could soak up every drop of what ever.

    Like most, I was busy doing something else and only half listening to the shouting going on on the TV. But when I heard him say ” With todays economy, you can even wring out that spilled soda and put it right back in your glass.”

    Now that got my attention.

    I have listened to this commercial many times again, and yes he does say what I thought I heard him say.

    I have often wondered, when I read some of the comments posted here, if the writer has even bothered to read what others had to say before posting.

    But then that is human nature.

    I too am often frustrated by people who don’t do as I have instructed or requested. The only conclution is that they don’t listen to what has been said.

    I would suppose the successful speaker knows how to get the listeners attention by incerting key words or comments that are designed to get attention.

    The news media knows very well how to get our attention.

    We have all heard, that the end is near. Not only do we not listen, we make jokes about it and scold anyone for “preaching” such.

    I am certain that when the rain began to fall after Noah and his family were shut up in the Ark by God Himself. That people realized they had been warned, but would not listen until it was too late.

    Make sure you are not too late, Christ is knocking at the door to your heart, right now. And has plenty to talk with you about.

  18. Ms D says:

    You know, as I read some of the comments on this topic, I was sadden to see that many people missed the point! No matter the mistakes, misunderstanding or conflict with this matter at least there was an attempt at reconcilation. Whether you believe it was a Hollywood moment, a photo opt, of you have negative options about President Obama, he reached out! Who cares about what they drank, wore or whatever, he attempted to make peace and did it publically as we all should strive towards peace. However, many of you who have commented resorted to critcisim of a President who is really trying verses praising the inititive. Some may have seen the matter petty but it takes a big person to bring adversaies together. Jesus did it a lot! Why can’t we just learn from the bigger lesson without adding negative politics and critism to the matter?

    Stay Blessed

    Ms D

  19. SFDBWV says:

    More on listening….

    Have you also noticed the human ability to only hear what they want to hear. And nothing else.

    Selective listening, partial understanding, misinformation, all leads to misunderstings which leads to argueing.

    Ms D, I will agree it takes a better person to admit mistakes and apologize. But if you were listening to the highly visable attempt to put the matter behind the three men involved. No one appologized nor admitted mistakes were made, by them.

  20. SFDBWV says:

    I want also to agree with paulruppert, in that no one knows better the events then thoes involved.

    However Frank, with all due respect, eye witness information is how everyone else is informed about any event.

    After a crime has occured and all the police work has put together a “case”, it then has to be presented before people who were not there. The Jury’s opinion being the deciding factor based upon finding the truth through evidence. Unseen by them. I don’t think of this as gossip.

    The telling or retelling of an event can be faultered by the frequency of it’s being told and sensationalized. If it is a private matter between people, this could be gossip. However…

    All of history is told to us by thoes who were there. Even though we weren’t.

    All of Scripture likewise. In the beginning of Luke. Luke even say’s that he wanted to straighten out all the stories being told about this man Jesus. And be able to present the facts.

    None of us were present.

    Do we have opinions? Yes. Do we retell the story? Yes.

    Is that gossip? No.

    This beer sumit story. Is one that, once this cat was out of the bag, couldn’t be returned without everyone hearing the truth of the matter. And then being able to make an opinion based on truth and facts. Heard from the participants.

    scoobyweasel is right, no one feels comfortable talking about racisim. And so avoids the subject.

    CNN and MSNBC have been having almost around the clock discussions on racisim. I can’t listen to it for but only a few minutes until I am offended. No wonder I try and avoid it.

    I realize I have went over my two minutes. But I don’t know how else to have a dialog without conversation.

    Steve

  21. Ted M. Gossard says:

    Good thoughts here, Mart. Of all the people in the world, we in Jesus should exemplify what you speak of here, the most. But sometimes we come across as know-it-alls who seem to think we have everything figured out, hardly the point of why we’re here: to point people to the one we are learning to follow.

    I for one think racial profiling is clearly a problem in this country, regardless of the merits of the case brought up, and Obama’s mistake in it. It does need to be put out on the table, and we in Jesus need to be better exemplifying the answer. But that will have to start with each one of us, and go from there. With the attitude that we all have something to learn and repent of.

    Just my own thoughts here.

    Thanks.

  22. poln23 says:

    I cannot believe that many of the comments here center on President Obama’s ‘mistake.’ Indeed, he committed a POLITICAL error by first saying that he did not know the facts and then following it up with a statement that the police acted stupidly. For the cynical, the meeting with the men involved was a political attempt to correct the mistake. It may be true, but from what I have observed about this president, his first instinct is to bring people together, which is exactly what he did here.

    I think the whole mess could have been avoided if the cop treated the professor with greater restraint. After all, the professor only had a cane to his gun.

  23. gotosmith says:

    These days I want to hear from those that first take the time to take care of the small things like setting the right example. Any encouragement to solve issues while promoting alcohol consumption should be scrutinized.

    Any encouragement from a leader to rebel against the authorities God puts in our lives should also be scrutinized by the conscientious Christian.

  24. gotosmith says:

    As far as the example of the Christain leader using inappropriate language I’m reminded that “the person that doesn’t control his mouth can control nothing in his life”. Doesn’t seem like a leader at all.

    This blog regularly reminds me of grace, but I am also regularly stirred to remind that “not one jot nor tittle will pass away”.

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