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Responding to Insult

In our day we have seen a national leader insulted by an Iraqi journalist who used a press conference to throw his shoes at the head of an American President.

Something similar happened to David of Israel.

If you have just a minute, have been thinking about the way King David responded to an enemy who, at one of the lowest moments of the king’s life, threw stones at the king, cursed him, and publicly declared that David was finally getting what he deserved.

I find David’s response amazing. When one of the king’s advisers offered to cut the man’s head off, David said something like, “Don’t do it. What if God told him to insult me? Who am I to disagree with God? Or, on the other hand, if I’m being wronged, maybe God will see it and take up my defense (for more detail see 2Sam 16:5-13).

Seems to me that this is one of many examples that show why David is remembered as “as a man after God’s own heart” (1Sam 13:14). David reflects a principle that is twice repeated in the New Testament: “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” (James 4:6; 1Peter 5:5).

Have been thinking about how different my life could have been if I’d always shown that kind of realistic self-opinion when insulted by others.

Photo: Bilbopolit

If, you have a few more minutes… maybe we can look together at some of what preceded the stone-throwing incident.

A review of David’s life shows that David was not just posturing for effect;

or expressing false humility for sympathy;

or even justifying passivity to avoid creating a bigger public mess than he was already in.

Consider just a small part of what we know about David’s life. After 40 years of leading the Lord’s people, his record was a complex tangle of accomplishments and failures. For openers, he had almost 2 dozen wives, not counting at least 10 concubines.

His children were all over the place.

One of his sons by the name of Amnon had raped and then rejected a beautiful young relative named Tamar. Later, another of David’s sons by the name of Absalom ambushed and killed Amnon for what he had done to Tamar.

David was heartbroken. Amnon was dead, and the brother who had killed him had escaped to live with a grandfather. After three years, David finally accepted the death of Amnon. He longed to see Absalom. But he also couldn’t find it in his heart to let Absalom come home–even though David, himself, had once taken Bath Sheba, the wife of one of David’s own generals, and then arranged to have her husband die in battle.

Only when some of David’s own friends confronted him with his own inconsistencies did David allow Absalom back into Jerusalem.

More years would pass, however, before David would agree to see him.

Finally David agrees to see Absalom, but without the reconciliation he was hoping for (2Sam 14:1-33).

Although David’s heart softens, his son remains bitter. According to the 15th chapter of 2Samuel, Absalom doesn’t return his father’s affections. Instead, he uses his good looks and flattery to win the hearts of Israel… and to steal the kingdom. In the process Absalom wins the help of Ahithophel of David’s closest and most trusted advisers.

When David finally heard that all Israel had joined Absalom in a conspiracy against him, he realized that he and his friends had to quickly leave Jerusalem.

What I’m picking up from all of this is that David’s life was so complex, so tangled with personal issues, and at this moment so desperate, that I am impressed with what David didn’t do.

Instead of taking the Ark of the Covenant (a symbol of God’s presence) with them, the king told the priests to leave it behind. The second book of Samuel says that David told the priest, Zadok to take the ark of God back to the city. “If the LORD sees fit,” David said, “He will bring me back to see the Ark … But if he is through with me, then let him do what seems best to him.”

It was then…adding even more insult to a tragic day, that the “stone throwing and curses began”. As a brokenhearted David and his supporters were leaving the city, a relative of Saul by the name of Shimei began shouting curses at David, accusing him of being a murderer and saying that, for all of his wrongs, David was finally getting what he deserved.

When one of David’s men offered to kill Shimei, David made another revealing comment. He said, “What…if the LORD has told him to curse me, who am I to stop him?” Then the King added, “My own son is trying to kill me. Shouldn’t this relative of Saul have even more reasons to do so? Leave him alone and let him curse, for the LORD has told him to do it. And perhaps the LORD will see that I am being wronged and will bless me because of these curses.” 2Samuel 16:13 adds, “So David and his men continued on, and Shimei kept pace with them on a nearby hillside, cursing as he went and throwing stones at David and tossing dust into the air.”

Seems to me that the spirit we see in the king as he left the Ark in Jerusalem, and as he said, “how can I kill Shimei if the Lord has told him to humble me” tell us a lot about David.

Maybe to understand why he is remembered as “a man after God’s own heart” we need to focus not on David’s messed up family life, and not on the other foolish things he did along the way. Maybe we get insight by listening to our Lord who said,

Blessed are the poor in spirit… Blessed are those who mourn… Blessed are the meek… Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for right relationships… Blessed are the merciful… Blessed are the pure in heart… Blessed are the peacemakers… Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake... (Matt 5:1-10).

For God resists the proud… but gives grace to the humble (James 4:6; 1Peter 5:5


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  1. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    We should always return evil with Good.
    A curse with a Blessing.
    As you said Mart, Davids life was a mess with regard to family life, brought about by his killing of Bath Sheba’s husband etc.
    Jesus said “Turn the other cheek”, but if you read that carefuly you will see a hidden meaning.
    Mathew 5:39 (New American Standard Bible)
    “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.”
    At that time you would only slap someone with you right hand(The left was used for other more mundain toilet cleaning). So to hit someones Right cheek you would need to use the back of your right hand, this was considered an insult and you were saying the person was beneath you. So by turning also the left cheek. you were making a statement that you were equal to the person doing the slapping and infact were standing up for yourself. Similar with the shirt and the cloak. A person under the law had a right to a cloak, to sleep in and for warmth, and it was forbiden to take it. So by offering someone you cloak also, you are showing them up as being a dispicable person as they would be seen with your cloak.
    It seems there is a right and a wrong way to respond to insult. One is humble and forgiving and in a way is returning good for evil, even though the offending person is put down in God’s eyes.
    The other is to retaliate and then start a cycle of retribution and hate.
    I know which one is best.
    By the way these are not my thoughts but were given to us last night at church by our guest speaker who is studying the Sermon on The Mount.
    Good stuff!

    Bob

  2. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    ps. If you offer the left cheek then the offending person has to use the palm of their hand which cancels out the insult, if they did actually slap your left cheek that is. I am always of the opinion that it would embaress them and they would run off.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Have any of the rest of you found yourself at such a low point in life, that nothing else mattered? Even the business of getting even or finding justice?

    A time where the only place to go was to God. To sit and say nothing. Leaving your enemies in the hands of God.

    David was a man of action, even at his lowest points, he had to take control of events and just leave it all to God.

    This is a very good example of how to live. It was also during these times for David that he grew closer to God and pleased God. As well as wrote Psalms. For all to be blessed by.

    Life is very complex, and troublesome. Sometimes all we can do is…Trust God.

    Steve

  4. scout1 says:

    Good Morning Mart and Friends:
    Great topic. Please humor me for a moment. Is the state of humility a born trait or is it acquired? It seems that some of the folks in the Bible had a great humble spirit, however, some just didn’t. Can God give you that humble spirit that He loves so much or are we given our portion and He works with us as He wonderfully made us? Why couldn’t Saul have been humble? I find it interesting that when someone in the Bible was of “humble spirit” it was usually noted. I liked what you said Mart about David “not posturing for effect, or expressing false humility for sympathy”. David had “natural humility”. If we try to be humble, it sometimes comes across fake. I’m so glad that God made humble servants like David and Moses; but I’m also glad for energetic servants like Peter and Paul. I wonder what type of servant I am? I hope whatever God made me to be that I’m being pleasing to Him. Good Day!

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Just another though about being insulted or abased by someone.

    The most stinging of insults, often, have a tinge of truth to them. Just enough to make them hurt.

    Once hurt in that way, the person in us comes to the agressively defensive mode. A very old saying that stll works, is to count to ten before reacting. Giving, hopefuly, time for your brain to catch up with your mouth. As well as time to figure out the best response.

    Christ said nothing while being insulted, spat upon, struck, and humiliated.

    One of the many wonderful truths taught to us from the Biblical stories of it’s people, are that they were just like us. Did great things and did bad things. Each time creating their own future.

    It’s why we need to read about these people and see how we can copy their successes and avoid their failures.

    Knowing that we have a gift of forgiveness for when we fall, but realizing that Christ’s sacrifice is not an excuse to purposely fall.

    Steve

  6. poohpity says:

    As Steve said, “The most stinging of insults, often, have a tinge of truth to them. Just enough to make them hurt.” I believe that is what David was eluding to when he did not return anger for the insults. David wrote in Psalms 86:15, 103:8, 145:8-9, that God is slow to anger and full of compassion (paraphrase). Moses wrote the same thing in Exodus 34:6, Numbers 14:18 then Nehemiah 9:17, then Joel in 2:13, also Jonah in 4:2, then Nahum in 1:13. The bible is just full of “slow to anger” and rich in forgiveness, compassion and mercy.

    I think that James 1:19-26 says it so that it cuts to the quick. I have the desire to be like that but have not quite made it yet, well far from it to be exact. I try and defend not only myself but God’s word when I know in my heart that God does not need my defense. In that defense I usually harm someone in the process, so it is better left undone. When I defend myself more times than not I need to understand that it is a gift to have someone address my imperfections so that I can grow. I do not take it that way at first I want to retaliate but like Steve said there is always a truth in there some where and I hope I can be open to the lesson.

  7. InHisHands says:

    Great topic. One that I have had such difficulty getting my boys to understand. So much of the trouble in their lives has come from their responses to insults. I hear it in the school I work at – the kids are all into the ‘he dised me so I am going to get back’ – there always seems to be conflict around this subject, and Mart is so true in the surmise that there are 2 paths to follow – I choose to follow the Biblical path, yet, still often fail.

    Bob- I am grateful for the ‘facts’ that you shared. It is so important to understand the society that Jesus was addressing and the historic implication of His words. You have shared a valuable lesson with us – thank you.

    Steve- your insight is always a blessing to my heart. My mind is thinking what you put into words. Thank you.

    David was such an example for Godly behavior and ungodly behavior – yet, what stands out is the manner in which he responded to both. His humility showed from the time that Samuel annointed him to be king. He so could have puffed up with pride, knowing that God had chosen him. Yet, his response was to humble serve the king God had on the throne, and trust that God would keep His Word, in His time. Wow! I wish I had the patience to wait for Him. My interference has caused me unnecessary consequences, and those often affect the rest of our families- like having a retaliating experience, can cause family feuds that last for centuries.

    Ok, now I think I am babbling so I will say Good Day to you all and my God bless your walk, this day.

  8. kingsdaughter says:

    Thank you Bob, for those facts about the culture of Jesus’ day. So many of us do not know these things. My aunt was a missionary in Gaza for 4 years in the early 70’s. She told us about how easily people are offended if you don’t know the culture and do the “wrong” thing. She was warned of various things she should and should not do. Most especially as a woman.

    As for David. I have been elated by knowing that David was “a man after God’s own heart.” I have focused on all the wrongs in David’s life simply because that is what I can identify with. I can hardly say that I know of his strengths except in his weaknesses he was made strong by God. I now understand a little more about David from reading Mart’s observations and all who post here. Thank you.

  9. kingsdaughter says:

    And yes, Steve. I can say I have been at the bottom of a very dark abyss…this is where I find God to be more than I find the devil. Nothing else has mattered this past year. My husband and I struggle with the things that have happened ..our feelings toward others who have been instrumental in our son’s mental anguish. We turn to God, hoping we will be strengthened. We identify with David’s losses in so many ways.

    Your words are always so much appreciated. I hope your son is having a peaceful day and that you will have the energy that only God can give to help your son.

    dale

  10. daisymarygoldr says:

    Yes, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Therefore, James exhorts us to humble ourselves…to be subject to God…cleanse our hands, purify our hearts, be afflicted, mourn, and weep (James 4:6-10). This is the mark of “true humility” as seen in David’s life.

    It must be noted, David’s humility was not intimidated by the uncircumcised Philistine who had defied the armies of the living God and neither did he respond with weak meekness to Nabal’s churlish insults.

    However, in insulting situations when David recognized God’s disciplinary rod in the curses and stones hurled at him, He immediately humbled himself beneath the mighty hand of God.

    To be truly meek and humble from God’s perspective is to express an attitude of willingness to submit to God’s will… i.e. God is first, the rest are next and self is dead… and if I am dead to self, then there is no more scope for insults!

    Agree, we should not focus on David’s messed up family life or his foolish mistakes. It is human tendency to use it as an excuse to justify my sins and shortcomings. Instead, what I take away from David’s life is this: although he was a man after God’s own heart, yet God did not spare him of the consequences of those mistakes.

    It is no secret that King David experienced pain and suffering in his family and in his kingdom because of his own actions. Actions have consequences and wrong actions of the family head and leaders result in seriously painful consequences for all people who follow them.

    This “sweet psalmist of Israel” (2 Samuel 23:1) is a classic example of godly leaders who look beyond their insulted egos and hurts to humble themselves before God to say, “You are my Lord; apart from you I have no good thing.” Psalms 16:2

  11. daisymarygoldr says:

    Furthermore, when subjected to insults David knew he was under divine rebuke and refused to pretend that God was on his side. Hence, he readily repented of his sins and God forgave him. But let us not forget, David still suffered the consequences of his choices for the rest of his life.

    Nevertheless, through all of that, this man after God’s heart did not become angry or bitter against God because he fully understood the processes of the “refiner’s fire and fuller’s soap (Mal 3). He knew, they were meant to refine, purify and accomplish God’s purpose for David’s life.

    So…in times of insults we are quick to respond with righteous self-defense but that was not the case with David, who realized that in justice he was being insulted.

    Therefore, he submitted himself to God who allowed the insults, scorn and reviling by others to develop his leadership qualities built on tested faith and trustworthy dependence on God.

    David sought to rely on God’s wisdom and remained faithful to God throughout his life. His loyalty to His Creator was beyond question because he knew the absolute truth: “Who hath hardened himself against God and hath prospered?” (Job 9:4).

    A wise child of God will always discern the sovereign hand of the Most High in all insulting situations, and thereby enjoys peace of mind… because it is only through this purging process that we become perfected to take the position of power and authority in God’s eternal Kingdom!

  12. foreverblessed says:

    When I was in art school, the teacher would have straight and hard criticism.
    It would hurt, as if I myself was insulted, (your own painting feels as if it is your self.)
    It would give me a hard time. From anger towards the teacher, who does he think he is sort of thing, to feeling inferior.
    Till a friend told me, she had a teacher who would always compliment her. But she failed the passing test.
    She would rather have had hard criticism then all the compliments, because she wanted to be a good painter.

    That was a hard lesson for me.

    In the most low period of David’s life he even expected criticism from God given in an abnormal lesson.
    If you want to improve, listen to people who don’t like you. They will not talk to your lips, (as the saying goes). The some point that is true is what is to be taken to heart, not that you are a useless person, but there are a few traits that need fixing.

  13. poohpity says:

    I think one can tell if someone is telling you something to help you grow or to cut you down. I think as human beings it is so easy to say things with a critical spirit because as we have talked about in the past it is easier to see the faults in others rather than paying attention to our own problems. When Nathan wanted King David to learn about his adultery with Bathsheba he used the story of a shepherd who had one sheep and the ruler came in who had much yet wanted the poor shepherds only sheep. It made King David see that his behavior was wrong but it was done with the intent of growth not insult.

    I think it is really hard for anyone to respond to insult without some form of defense or protection. I guess if we have the notion that we are not here to please men but God it maybe different. Who knows for sure.

  14. poohpity says:

    As I was doing my chores I began to think about last year before my mom died and my family members threw insult after insult at me about the decisions I had to make. When I did make the decisions they cussed me out time after time. I finally just asked them to leave me alone and not come around me, then continued on with her business. Every once in a while when I was overfilled with grief I was unable to hold my anger and would throw them back. I would then asked them to forgive me and their reply would be why should we forgive you when the words you say hurt rather than looking at what they were saying or doing to me and they never asked for forgiveness or even offered condolences to me. Still to this day they have not looked at what they have done but only to my errors and we are still not speaking. I had made attempts at trying to restore these relationships but I have given up on it.

    I am now trying so hard to think before I speak so I do not hurt people the way I felt by them. It is a hard road to hoe but I see some progress within my behavior and hope with the help of God to overcome this too. A long time ago a Pastor said, “Be kind always because you never know what someone is going through”.

  15. Rajnesh says:

    I’ve only just familiarized myself with 2 Sam 13-18. The period begins with The Crime Of Amnon through David Told of Absalom’s Death. Wow!….talk about enduring. Who am i to judge him about his many wives and children.
    Humility is something I’ve prayed about a lot and thankful that the Lord has helped me and continues to. It all stems from a relationship ending horribly and the insults and unforgiveness still lingers on today.
    I was reading through a topic of old here and Ben Yov remarked something along the lines….this girl, talking about her boyfriend, to her friend “Can you believe what he did to me.” I couldn’t help think to myself….did she conveniently leave out the part that she played in it all.
    So, the cyber/forum/messageboards attacks continue and I’ve prayed to not retaliate and endure it all.

  16. gatormaw says:

    I too have been praying to God about humility, and have been searching my own heart to see if I am humble. I am still confused on the issue, because I don’t really have to deal with people insulting me or hurting me. I don’t have much of a life so that may be why! I am confused by something in todays Been Thinking About, and maybe some of you who are more learned than I can help me. It says “blessed are they who mourn”. I don’t understand this. Today I am mourning the loss of my brother, who passed away yesterday. I don’t feel blessed. I feel extremely saddened and despondent. I know when someone dies, people say “well he is in a better place”, but I wonder about that as well. He was not a religious person and I don’t know that he had a personal relationship with God. Therefore I am concerned that his soul may be suffering. I said a rosary for him last night and felt some peace afterwards, but today I feel unsure. I know this is kind of off the subject, but felt the need to share as I could really use some comfort and peace of mind. Thanks.

  17. poohpity says:

    The bible says, ” 4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.” Matthew 5 Please do not feel you need to have a smile on your face, gatomaw. I weep with you in your loss. If I was close I would give you a hug and just sit with you. I know the pain of losing someone you love and so does the Lord. There are no words to bring you comfort I pray that someone close will come and just be with you in this time of sorrow. I am so very sorry for your loss.

  18. afranz says:

    Gatormaw
    I think the definition for blessed in that passage is not referring to your feelings, but God’s. God is especially interested in the care and comfort of those who mourn. He is looking on you with love and understanding of your grief. We all have family who we may not be sure about as far as their relationship with the Lord is concerned. We can only pray and trust that God has given them every bit of opportunity to trust Him that was possible. And we know that God loves them even more than we do, and He is longsuffering and merciful. Steve and Pooh will be on here soon with the facts and scriptures, just letting you know you are being cared for.

  19. saled says:

    Gatormaw, God is the God of Hope. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted,” are the words of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the comforter. I have loved ones who died without evidence of a personal relationship with God also, and it is my hope that when Jesus died on the cross to reconcile the world unto himself, that it included them also. The particular brand of Christianity that I was brought up in teaches that you don’t pray for people after they have died. I don’t know if that teaching is based on the Bible or not, but I prayed for my Dad after he died, and I too felt some peace afterward. Again, God is the God of Hope.

  20. bubbles says:

    Oh, my, David. . .’the man after God’s own heart’. . . it’s not wonder why so many, many people love him. Perhaps he is so admired because of his deep love for God, and his way with words, but ALSO because we can identify with his shortcomings, mistakes, and sins.

    It’s wonderful that God used him in spite of his mess that he chose to make. . . that can tell us that when we chose wrong choices, God can still use us in spite of the mistakes.

    We can CHOOSE choices, but not the consequences. By David’s actions, it seems that he had really learned from his lack of self-control in earlier years. I know when I make wrong choices (and know it at the time, but do it anyway) that it may feel good right then, but in the long run, it make me feel like the dummy I am for choosing the wrong. Prov. 25:21-22.

    GATORMAW, I’m so sorry for the loss of your brother.
    Tomorrow marks the 25th year of my grandmother being killed in a car wreck. She did not know the Lord.
    “Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted” has confused me in the past. . .maybe one way to think of it is this: mourning has a way of drawing us very close to the Lord–searching His Word–praying–asking questions. During that time of mourning our own relationship with the Lord can be deepened. There have been several intense trials in life since 2001. In those trials, there have been lessons learned. Verses that have become so sweet to me that they are part of who I am now. Without those trials, those things may not have been learned, and the relationship with the Lord may not be what it is now.

    While the ‘mourning’ part isn’t easy, the lessons learned are wonderful. You are just at the beginning of mourning your brother. Grief will come and go like waves from the ocean. When your heart is aching, don’t turn away from Jesus. Continue to pray and ask Him to give you verses to help. He will. This will take time. There have been times when it’s taken me years to articulate lessons learned from trials–but maybe I’m a slow-learner :) (I’ve heard others say that this ‘mourning’ has to do with our own broken heartedness over our own sins.)

    Know that many people care for you here, and will be praying for you.

  21. gatormaw says:

    Thank you so much, all of you, for your love and concern for someone you don’t even know! I am spilling buckets of tears, tears of gratitude to all of you as I know that God is using you to intercede on my behalf. This is really a hard time as I have no family where I am at now, but will be with them next week, so I have that to look forward to. In the meantime, God seems to be providing comfort to me through you, and I am eternally grateful. You are my blessings.

  22. kingsdaughter says:

    Gatormaw, I would love to give you a hug and the love that I have known since my son died by suicide last March. I had to go find the peace I have but God saw to it that I have been comforted and I continue to ask for His comfort daily. In the beginning, I was in shock and very angry and frustrated with God because of the way my son died. I went everywhere I could think of, including here (by accident) and found many quite willing to minister to my mind, spirit and heart.

    You will miss your brother and you will have days when it seems unbearable. I know that suffering brings about many questions and doubt. “Doubt is but another element of faith.” St. Augustine. So don’t feel bad about trying to find comfort by questioning. Not every thing we can know the answers to but we can ask just the same. I think God is real close to those of us who are in mourning…especially when the pain is extremely bad. I know that there are many devotions written by Charles Spurgeon that kept me from giving up. I would hope that you seek out all of the materials and devotions that you can. At first, I could not read the Bible. Everything I read seemed condemning. I hope that is not happening to you but from what I have been told it is quite natural for Believers. We feel betrayed somehow…that our prayers were ignored or most certainly not answered like we wanted. As a mom, this is what hurt the most. I am slowly coming out from the fog of despair and I know you will, too. It is so cliche to tell you about time. It can’t go fast enough for me now. I agree with saled that Jesus followed the “Blessed are those who mourn, FOR THEY SHALL BE COMFORTED.” Because you are here…because you turn to God…this promise will happen. I pray for your healing heart and I am so sorry for the loss of your brother. God be with you and bless you with people who can reach out to you, in person and on Christian forums. In Christ,

    Dale

  23. Lively says:

    I know how little I can do for you, except pray that your heart finds peace. He was obviously special, or you would not mourn his passing. You said he wasn’t a religious person, neither was my father. I still miss him and it’s been almost 13 years now. I’ve often prayed that he will be in Heaven when I get there, but honestly – I’m not sure he will be. Oddly enough, I’m fairly certain he knew there is a Heaven, when he was 10 (about 1936) he died of meningitis. They had his death certificate filled out, minus the time. For whatever reason, the Lord sent him back. He described what he saw and the peace he felt to me, once. He’d never shared it before.

    I was beside my dad when he passed; he had fought cancer for a year. There was a peace about him. He didn’t go to church, except for weddings and funerals. He didn’t read the Bible. He did do a lot of good in the community, in many ways – his life was more Christian than many Christians I know. I’m pretty sure he at least believed in God and Jesus. It’s my prayer that as many have said; going to Church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than sitting in a garage makes you a car that conversely not going to Church doesn’t mean you’re not a Christian any more than a car on the roof makes it a bird.

    As odd as this may sound, my blessing in mourning came from love. The love for the people I’ve lost and those that shared my grief and those who stood by, feeling helpless but just wanting to be there for me because they loved me. I know the Lord was with me, too – He provided the warmth of human touch and love.

    I pray you find some peace tonight. My thoughts and heart will be with you and your family.

    Stacy

  24. gatormaw says:

    Kingsdaughter: My thoughts and prayers are with you for your loss. I understand how devestating suicide is. My brother Paul committed suicide about 30 years ago, and I still have trouble dealing with that loss. He was a medic in Vietnam and I’m sure he saw a lot of the worst of the war, thus his decision to end his life (at least that is what we believe his reason way). I will keep you in my prayers, and I think you for your guidance and prayers for me.

    Lively, thank you for sharing your story about your dad with me. He sounds like he was a very special person, and your experience truly gives me comfort.

    I’m so sorry that I’ve gotten this so far off of topic, but thank all of you so much for being there for me. I am already feeling so comforted, and feel I will be able to give more comfort to my family when I get to MI next Sunday because of the guidance and wisdom of all of you. I thank God for this site, and all of you.

  25. gatormaw says:

    Kingsdaughter – I “thank” you, not think! Sorry, I need to proofread better.

  26. marma says:

    foreverblessed: thanks for your 3:23 post, it was a great encouragement to me. I’m having a performance review this week and have felt pretty down about it. Some things are good, but of course, it is the “needs improvement” stuff that gets me down. I am encouraged to think that God is using my boss in my life, even when she tends to be harsh in her criticisms, and that He will not allow anything to touch me that is not His will. He hedges me and the armor protects me, too. Especially the shield of faith and the Sword of the Spirit. (Actually, all is needed, isn’t it?!)

    The process is always very humbling and takes me back to God’s Word for encouragement. Thanks for leading the way through this article, Mart, and through your post, fbd.

  27. marma says:

    I need to add Romans 8:28. The school of life and of faith is hard at times, but we can’t expect to always get the easy course work.

  28. Anna777 says:

    As a prodigal child, the Beatitudes took on a whole new significance for me when I came back to the Lord. Something happened to me “in the valley” I dwelt in during my years running from God.

    Forgive me for this really disconnected analogy, but in retrospect, I kind of look back on it as a time that I was “getting primed” – like you a would prime a car before you painted it. I would never say that God “made” me fall away. As James Ch 1:13,14 says ” Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil and He Himself does not tempt anyone.”

    I was truly a broken. Before I was a hearer of the Word and not a doer of the Word. James 1:22-24 says ” But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in the mirror: for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was.”

    Where before, I was really perplexed by the Beatitudes, now they were truly a blessing to me! Salve to my wounds! Moisture to my bones!

    Before I walked away from God, I was quite proud. I was judgmental and quite confident in my abilities (all out pride). Instead of mourning, I was fully focused on my own personal happiness, Instead of being gentle I was very comfortable with having “power” in my life. It made me feel “in control”. Rather than “hungering and thirsting after righteousness” I was doing quite nicely thank you …. doing all the “right” things a Christian does. Merciful? That would have been something I would have considered my “strong suit” (now I see the humor in that ….. showing mercy to others to build up my own pride …” Pure in heart? I always considered my self very honest (all the while telling my kids to tell someone I wasn’t home if I didn’t want to talk to them! Great! Teach my kids to lie!” I believe I had a severe case of “situational ethics”. I could justify “deception” based on the situation…. not wanting to hurt feelings…etc. Peacemaker? Sometimes. But so many times pride would get in the way and rather than making peace I would choose to be offended and fly high my flag of righteousness. Persecuted? Nope. Not me. I went through all the right “motions” in the church, but I had never really laid my faith on the line. I’d never really counted the cost. I had never been willing to be persecuted for my faith because, as I know now, I had the head knowledge, but I did not have the change in my heart. I was so “busy” in the church that I wasn’t taking time to grow in the Lord! I was busy being busy, but I wasn’t busy serving the Lord. Go figure! I didn’t even know what it meant to “count the cost!” for Jesus.

    After I cam back to the Lord, and read the Beatitudes I saw them quite differently then I had before. I realized that it was in my time of mourning that all of my superficiality was being stripped away. Through all of the very difficult, trying times, God was changing the heart of this willing servant. Not always fun! But always a blessing!

    Rather then looking at each Beatitude as individual Beatitudes, they all seemed to be more connected to me ….. because it was very clear to me that being fully dependent on the Lord was what brought the blessings. And as Hebrews 13:5 says “Never will I leave you …. Never will I forsake you.” I was clinging to the Lord! The paint was stick’in! The Lord was faithful to his Word! He never left me and he never let me down! It’s all through the power of His Holy Spirit (Ephesians 3:14-21) that this is possible.

    How do I handle insults? I’m still learning. Silence hasn’t let me down yet! Having said that, I will say that I don’t feel insulted much anymore. My faith is growing, and it’s getting easier for me to just give it to the Lord. I ask God to show me if I messed up (he’s faithful) and I apologize and I mean it. I know that sounds kind of “high and mighty” but it’s really grounded in the tan of my hide as I was drug through that valley I chose to go through – not a wise choice!) Some people are quick learners and they can actually learn to love and serve God without doing it the hard way! I just don’t dance with insults.

    I’m afraid to see how long this blog will be! It doesn’t look that long when I type it in the cute little white box!

    Blessings!

    Anna

  29. daisymarygoldr says:

    gatormaw, so sorry to read about your loss. Praying that God’s grace may comfort you with His peace… Just continue to trust Him…

  30. foreverblessed says:

    Anna, thank you very much for your comment. Pride before and now humility.
    A very personal touchh to this topic.
    I was going to say: Mart madfe me read about David again.
    David said; God is saying to me something through Simei.
    And David did hear what God had to say, this is written in 1 Chronicles 22:8 that David could not build the temple for God, because he had shed much blood.
    David had inquired Nathan before, asking God if he could build a temple for Him. Nathan’s answer did not include the shedding of blood. 1Chronicles 17:1-15.
    David adde this explanation later, after he had heard the insult from Simei.

    Really a humble man, to be able to hear what God has to say to you through an adversary.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    When reading about David, there is another thing which is striking, David loved his enemies, or at the least had big respect for them. To the dismay of his leader in command, Joab.
    So different then what is considered normal.
    David would respect Abner, the commander of Saul, he would love his son Absolom, who wanted to take his throne, he would love Mephiboset, the son of Saul. And so on.
    He had the spirit of Jesus, who would come later, and tell us: love your enemies Matthew 5:44 Luke 6:27, 35.

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Psalms 23…This wonderful verse of scripture, writen by David is sometimes glossed over. This is too bad. for the power of this Psalm speaks to many of us who find ourselves broken hearted and at the end of our self.

    Gatormaw, My heart felt sympathies for your heartache and the family of your brother. Like most of us, it sounds as if heartache is nothing new to your life.

    When we mourn, we begin to heal, God heals the brokenhearted (Isaiah 61 & Luke 4:18).

    I will share a story with you about an incident in my life.

    Not long after my own father had died, I had a dream; In the dream my father sat up from his casket and looked at me and told me I needed to visit my grandfather (Mother’s father) Henry Davis. That he was in *prison*.

    In the dream I thought to myself “I didn’t know that, I thought he had died when I was a little boy. I felt bad that I hadn’t visited him all these years. Then my dad said to me again That I needed to pray for my grandfather.

    After I awoke, and my senses of the situation became clearer. I was deeply troubled by the dream. Raised up in the Prot. faith I thought prayers for the dead were praying amiss.

    I called a Catholic church and spoke with a secretary and intended to follow up with a call to the Priest. But didn’t. My thoughts were, where did they get scripture to base praying for the dead? I already knew of 1 Corinthians 15:29, but needed more.

    So heavy was the burden upon me to pray for Henry Davis, my grandfather and someone I had never ever dreamt of. That I obeyed the unchtion on my heart and did so. Until I was at peace.

    The entire episode taught me to pray for thoes who have died, in hope that they find grace and mercy through Christ, and peace.

    I pray also that all of you out here find the peace that you seek, and it is the Joy of the Lord that fills your day.

    Steve

  33. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    gatormaw

    I too am sorry to here of your loss.

    Recently(last 5 years) several people in our village have died. One paticularly upset me because I gave a card to her husband and was going to see her. The card had an encouraging scripture on it. She died that night and never got the card. Similarly her husband died a year later almost to the day and I was too late again with my visit.
    Like Steve, I have prayed for both of them that Jesus may have been revealed to them etc.
    I still sometimes pray for my mum and dad who have been dead 20 & 30 years respectively.
    I may be wrong in my thinking, but God is outside of time. He sees everything “The Alpha & Omega” So when I ask for forgivness or pray for my dad etc. I always feel God can put that prayer in it’s rightful place.
    A bit like going to a graveside and talking with the dead person, it helps to settle any doubts and to bring closure. It seems to help the grieving process.

    Take care
    Bob

  34. sbrew8212 says:

    More recently, our current president was insulted by the quote “You lie,” which was patently untrue. We do not have to look to other countries for examples of how our leaders are insulted. Enough of that happens within our our geographic borders or is this a right wing site that could not care less about the current administration?

  35. kingsdaughter says:

    Hi there. Just wishing all a wonderful morning!

    Steve and Bob…. thank you for the word about praying for those who have died. I was also of the same thinking that “what is the use in praying for those who can no longer make decisions”…I guess it is the Baptist upbringing. I would like to think that I can still do that now more than ever.

    I talk to Brandon and then I ask Jesus to forgive me cause I am not praying to my son…I am just wanting him to know I am not mad at him for leaving us and that I love him and miss him.

    Bob, you have made a good point about God and time. His time is very different than ours. You should read C. S. Lewis’ explanation of God’s time..in “Mere Christianity”…mind boggling, to say the least.

    I will share this dream that I had on Sunday night. I was standing at a huge window with large panes…it was daylight and a huge wreath of stars was in the sky coming at me and then into me….as I stood at this window I was in awe! It was like a “falling” dream with an indescribable sensation. I was saying Praise God! This IS God!…..never in my life have I ever dreamed of God. What a wonderful dream to have. I thought I would share something positive today with my blogger sisters and brothers.

    God bless and have a warm day…

    dale

  36. kingsdaughter says:

    sbrew….perhaps you should rethink how you make assumptions with your open-ended question about those who post here. The whole idea of this topic is how we handle insult…not that we do insult. My humble opinion on your post is that you are here to defend a leader that you admire and HOW he was insulted. You have posed your question in an accusatory manner. I would say that I am insulted by it but then I have thicker skin than that. I will not get into a political clash with you. I know a set up when I see one. I pray you have not been insulted by this observation.

    Dale

  37. foreverblessed says:

    sbrew, to be homoust, I do disagree with Dale, you did in no way insult anybody at all.

  38. poohpity says:

    Proverbs 12:16 ” 16 A fool shows his annoyance at once,
    but a prudent man overlooks an insult.”
    Proverbs 19:11 “A man’s wisdom gives him patience;
    it is to his glory to overlook an offense.”
    Proverbs 29:11 “A fool gives full vent to his anger,
    but a wise man keeps himself under control.”

    In 2 Sam 12 David left the consequences of the insults in God’s hands and it continues in chapter 19:16-23 when David forgives him. God never let David go even after so many mishaps (sins).

    Look also at what Jesus put up with before the Cross and He never answered back but then forgave them from the Cross. Also I would think to consider the fruit of the Spirit. So if we have the Spirit living within us it will manifest with patience, kindness, gentleness, love, joy, peace and self control to name a few. That would really show humbleness to not reply back when our feelings get hurt. I guess to not retaliate would be saying that eventually the truth will win out.

  39. kingsdaughter says:

    hmmm, did I say sbrew insulted anyone? Please read again Forever…

    My post was a discernment and an answer to a question. I claim all of the scriptures quoted above. I also ask forgiveness for anything that offended anyone by my humble (in humility, as I stated) observation and answer to a question that was asked.

    Using scripture is the better way to answer.

  40. phpatato says:

    Gatormaw

    I am praying with you in your sorrow. May the God of all comforts reach down and pick you up and hold you close. May His peace which passes all understanding fill your heart. Cling to His promises and find comfort in them. I am sending out a warm hug for you.

    Pat

  41. poohpity says:

    I hope we are not considering using scripture to insult? Wow you know that is possible too!! The scripture I used was in response to the topic that Mart first set forth not to anybodies comments.

    I think what mart was talking about was that David had enough on his plate to add insult on top of the already confusing life he lead would be more problems to contend with.

  42. poohpity says:

    That same passage in the NIV says, “165 Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble.” Great verse!!

  43. poohpity says:

    I was looking further and in Psalms 120:7 says; I am for peace, but they are for war, and my voice goes unheeded in their councils. I know that “two wrongs do not make a right” is not in the bible but it seems that fits really good here in responding to insult.

  44. pegramsdell says:

    Proverbs 15:1
    A gentle answer deflects anger,but harsh words make tempers flare. :)

  45. kingsdaughter says:

    AGAIN I say,

    “The whole idea of this topic is how we handle insult…not that we do insult.”

  46. SFDBWV says:

    sbrew8212, Welcome to our little international blog of growing sharing Christians.

    Whereas we tackle all areas of topics which include political as well as theological subjects. Our main concern is the discernment and study of Scripture and Jesus Christ’s influence in our lives.

    Since there is little else that can sharply divide people as well as religion and politics. Many times we disagree. But we have learned and are learning as to how to disagree with an attitude of learning and sharing rather than one of anger.

    I do hope you stick around our little community and learn about our Lord and His offer of eternal salvation. Offered to you as well as I equally.

    Steve

  47. Anna777 says:

    Gatormaw,

    I too am sorry for your loss. You said something that really made me think about how important it is for me to always be willing to share the truth of Christ with people I don’t even know. To be willing to be insulted for sharing Christ! It has been my experience that I am not the one that God has used to reach many of my family members. Often times, it’s been a complete stranger. My prayer is that this was the case with your brother. I pray that somewhere during his lifetime, he had someone that he was willing to listen to, that shared the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that in the last few minutes of his life, this testimony came back to him and that he chose to accept the gift of Salvation.

    My Mom was one who had strayed far from the Lord. She was in a coma for five days prior to her death. She was totally unresponsive. She was not on any life support, and death did not come quickly. On the fourth day of her coma, all of my family had come into the hospital room. We were all standing around her bed. All of the sudden, she sat up and looked at us, clear eyed and direct. She said “The only thing that matters in this life is loving and serving the Lord.” One day later she was gone. My point is, that I believe when we begin the journey “across the river” time moves differently. The doctors didn’t even think she had any brain function. Out came this testimony. I believe in her last hours she got her heart right with the Lord. As I have quoted many times in different blogs – John 3:17 – For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

    May the peace of God, that passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Phil 4:7

    Anna

  48. sbrew8212 says:

    I am amazed how so many have taken my comment as a sign of anger when that clearly was not the intent. I do plan to stick around as Steve suggested. Learning is not the issue, continuing on this journey is more appropriate for me at this point in my life. Thank you for the welcome message.

  49. kingsdaughter says:

    Anna…what a lovely post. I am inspired by your testimony.

    Welcome to you sbrew8212….the posting here is informative, passionate, comforting and always a mix of our collective truths about Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Your participation is anticipated.

    God bless,
    dale

  50. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Yes, welcome Sbrew8212

    I too am a supporter of Barrack Obama, all beit from this side of the Atlantic Ocean, and I am certainly not right wing in my political views.
    I am a contradiction or enigma to the so called “normal” christian as most of Jesus diciples were. It seems God loves us all and seems to go out of His way for those of us who do not “fit in” with societies expectations.
    I hope your journey is less bumby than mine.

    Dale
    You said “Using scripture is the better way to answer.”

    I know what you mean and always agree with Steve & Pooh that we must always look at scripture for our guidance, but I do find it so annoying when people smugly quote scriptures as a way of answering a question or instead of sharing conversation. Politicians use “sound bights” all the time and it is no different to that.
    I hope I haven’t offended! :-)

    Bob

  51. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Sorry, I ment to say “Bumpy”

  52. plumbape says:

    I like bumby….! lol Anew word for me, thanks Bob

  53. Lively says:

    Hi there, sbrew! I actually finished this post prior to your last one – but was interrupted by my kids!! I decided not to tweak it any and just let it go as what I was thinking at the time. Except to add, Bob – bumby made me think of Noddy with Bumpity Dog! lol

    You said, “Enough of that happens within our our geographic borders or is this a right wing site that could not care less about the current administration?”

    As a right wing nutcase… I resemble that remark! LOL – Actually, I’m not and I don’t. But, I can see why some may have taken that statement as a challenge – frankly even an insult. So many believe that just because you’re a Christian you’re right wing and radical, to boot – and that simply isn’t true. However, when someone has been branded that way so many times, he or she is bound to eventually become defensive.

    I think that most of us would agree – no matter where we stand politically, the Lord commands that we respect the government that is in power – insofar that government doesn’t go against God’s law. It is not for us to go against those whom the Lord allowed to be in power – no matter how much we disagree – again unless it goes against Gods Law.

    Plus, we’re blessed that we, (meaning the Americans here) have the right to express our feelings about our Prez – but as Christians, we don’t have the right to degrade him. However, it would be within our right to say we don’t like the job he is doing or strongly disagree with policy he makes.

    That said, who are we to sit in judgment of those outside the Church? (1 Cor 5:12) They follow the law of the land, the law of man while we are called to a different path. But, on the bright side – we get to judge one another… as my hubby’s best friend says, “In love of course” (he’s usually asking me to smack him for him lol)

    But seriously, the people who blog here seem to be diverse and well rounded – I’ve learned and am learning so much more than I possibly could on my own – this is definitely not a narrow minded group.

    I didn’t miss the irony of the responses of those who felt a bit miffed – if only we could always do that with our mouths in real time.

    Well, Steve – we’re not in the worst hit zone for this snow… thank the Lord!

  54. Anna777 says:

    Well, I need to do a little “addendum” to one of my previous posts. I had said that I didn’t really get offended by insult all that much anymore because of all I had been through.

    I had a little experience today that showed me I am still fully capable of being really offended! Apparently it matters who delivers the insult. I seem to hang on to the insults longer if they are delivered by a close family member – rather than turning it directly over to God! It dawned on me tonight that it’s been almost 10 hours and I’m still feeling it. How strange that I would hold so tightly to such a painful thing! Time to let go of it and give it to the Lord!

    Before I made the comment that “I don’t dance with insults”. Come to find out – it seems to depend on what song is playing! I am really really really humbled tonight.

  55. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Anna, That is always the way these thing happen.
    Thank you for sharing that with us, just goes to show God is listening and reading everything we say.
    I always say “never say never” . I went to London one time and it was so choked with car fumes I said I could never live there. Within three years I was working there and was up that way more than 15 years.
    Almost without a doubt we will be tested on what we say, that is why we should keep our pastors and evangelist held up in prayer as they are constantly tested on the word they teach.
    I am still holding on to resentment about loosing my job despite giving it to the Lord lots of times. It keeps popping up in my head and I see the senario of that day being played out in my mind. I pray for the people and ask God to bless them etc. but it seems not to go away. Maybe when I get a new job my mind will be able to let go.
    Steve and Stacy, I am glad the snow is not as bad as predicted this time. Neary March and start of your spring!

    Bob

  56. pegramsdell says:

    Sorry Bob I only put scripture on my response, but I was at work and didn’t have time to elaborate. Try to be more careful next time. :)

  57. Lively says:

    I’ve been fairly quiet on the whole” how do you react” to insults thing; mainly because it is very difficult to insult me. Most of the time, my internal response is “whatever” and external is a tight smile. I’m more likely to be insulted as a part of a group; for example, these storms that are battering us right now. I’m looking out my window and I can’t see 100 feet in front of the house, we have near blizzard conditions and white outs. I was on the line for the bad/worse conditions; I guess the line moved a bit. Anyway, when I read in the media how “embarrassing” it is for the Gov’t to shut down, how we are whiney, how we are silly and others scoff at our inability to deal with “a little snow” it upsets me and I moved into defensive mode. To put it mildly, I am offended by the comments I’ve seen.

    I feel like saying, “duh, we’re not prepared for this because it doesn’t normally snow like this here!” We don’t have the materials or the equipment to deal with it – why? Because this is ABNORMAL for our area – I feel like ranting about the stupidity of some people in making comments when they know nothing about the situation smug in their superior, “I can do better” cocoon of self denial.

    Shame on me for the last paragraph, but believe me when I say, it is mild compared to what I am capable of saying when someone or something I love is insulted.

    For me, a personal insult is so much easier to bear; I learned that lesson rather young – being a rather small geeky smart child. Although the school I grew up in wasn’t particularly rough, you still had better be able to back up your response with your fist, and I couldn’t. I also learned not to take things personally – that many times an insult comes from one of three sources when it is uttered by someone you truly care about, a) pain or b) a misguided attempt to “help” or c) anger.

    It seems to me Shimei was in pain and filled with anger, and David realized that. I also think that his ability to deal with the personal insult was God given, a gift. I know from personal experience what it is like to be publically vilified by someone in pain and filled with anger, I took no insult from it – I walked in peace those years of my life, but not from anything I did it was God who supported me. And even better, He did see I was being wronged and He blessed me mightily.

    Stacy

  58. sbrew8212 says:

    Apparently, I continue to be misunderstood. I do not and have not ever assumed that all Christians are right winged nut jobs. I come from generations of Christians, most of my friends are Christians and we are left, right and everywhere in between. Being a Christian does not in my mind make anyone a nut job. The way Christianity is approached and made to seem like an exclusive clique bears closer scrutiny. The journey continues…

  59. poohpity says:

    A family I know asked me to help them with an intervention dealing with a wayward son. They called a family meeting and we discussed the next actions to take with him. To make a long story short I had spent several hours talking with them and three fourths of them did what they thought best and one followed the plan. So a month later they wanted to try again and after talking to one of them on the phone to set up a meeting and one hour later the spouse called. He asked if I had time to talk I said just a minute but the conversation went longer. I then said we could talk about this at the meeting I would like to watch my show. His response was “Yea that is more important than my son”. I was so upset because I had taken time to meet and to have phone conversations with them. I had put aside my time many times to help them and that was the response I got. I did not say anything back but the talk to the air was bad after I got off the phone. If I was not going to meet with them the next night I could understand his response.

    So at times when I am insulted I try and defend my actions when in fact it would probably be better to just say nothing. This was just a couple of weeks ago and I am still feeling a little hurt by it all. In this case being assertive may have benefited both.

    I struggle with being assertive whether it is a Christ like response. It does help when one tells another how something has affected them but unless both have learned how to communicate it can cause harm too.

  60. kingsdaughter says:

    I AM A RIGHT WING “NUT JOB” and I am not apologizing for it. I also have Democrats for friends that actually attend my church. No one is judging the other. I respect the office of the president but I don’t have to like what is going on. My family has been directly impacted by the state of our economy and we are harsh critics of how things are going. We are self-employed(barely), non-insured (lost it when our finances changed) no retirement left (had to rely on it to live this past year) and we are not for choosing to kill the unborn…we want terrorism to be dealt with NOW. Blah, blah, blah…..

    SO, I hope I am not banned from this site. LOL….have a great day.

  61. Anna777 says:

    Stacy – I’m not sure but I think we might share some DNA! LOL. I read your posts and I just have to laugh because I feel like you’re describing me! I can handle insults more when they are directed to myself usually but this one involved myself and a love one I was able to keep my mouth shut at the time, but later had a stroke. Just kidding …. no stroke…. but I am sure my blood pressure was up at stroke level!

    I was just thinking this morning about a conversation I had with my Grandmother (beautiful Christian) right before she died. I asked her if she could put, in one sentence, her general rule she used on a daily basis to live by, what would it be. (Other than the fact that she had great faith in God and loved him with all her heart!). She said “I ask myself this. “Is it right? Is it wrong? And does it matter? I’ve found that to be so helpful. It’s kind of my “collander” I sift life through.

    I don’t know why I shared that with you! LOL. Well listen ya little wimp, you need to get tough and take a crash course in learning how to deal with a snowstorm that I heard was considered to be one of “epic proportions”! Doesn’t sound to easy to deal with to me!

    I am praying for all of my RBC blog family.

    Anna

  62. Anna777 says:

    Stacy – I’m not sure but I think we might share some DNA! LOL. I read your posts and I just have to laugh because I feel like you’re describing me! I can handle insults more when they are directed to myself usually but this one involved myself and a love one I was able to keep my mouth shut at the time, but later had a stroke. Just kidding …. no stroke…. but I am sure my blood pressure was up at stroke level!

    I was just thinking this morning about a conversation I had with my Grandmother (beautiful Christian) right before she died. I asked her if she could put, in one sentence, her general rule she used on a daily basis to live by, what would it be. (Other than the fact that she had great faith in God and loved him with all her heart!). She said “I ask myself this. “Is it right? Is it wrong? And does it matter? I’ve found that to be so helpful. It’s kind of my “collander” I sift life through.

    I don’t know why I shared that with you! LOL. Well listen now, you need to get tough and take a crash course in learning how to deal with a snowstorm that I heard was considered to be one of “epic proportions”! Doesn’t sound to easy to deal with to me!

    I am praying for all of my RBC blog family.

    Anna

  63. kingsdaughter says:

    Pooh, I do believe it takes a certain spiritual strength to be assertive and to speak the truth in love. And sometimes the situation is just a bomb waiting to go off no matter how you deliver your words..no matter how delicate you approach.

    I know that we are always oversensitive when we are dealing with a trauma in our lives…perhaps this man was just that…oversensitive and had already become used to your readiness to “be there.”

    You can only be responsible about how YOU react…we can’t know how another is going to receive what we say as an insult when that was not our intent. The ball is in their court, so to speak. Just my humble opinion…

  64. Lively says:

    Sbrew – I was simply saying that that I could see how some would take offence to your statement. Personally, I didn’t. I didn’t say you were calling anyone here a right wing nut job – I was saying that your statement could have been perceived as such – from your later statements, it’s obvious that you did not mean it – but without knowing you, and without body language with tone and tenor – without the human aspects of conversation it could have easily been seen as a remark intended to flame. I suppose I was defending those you unintentionally upset.

    I was also pointing out that as Christians; we don’t have the right to judge those outside the Church – meaning that I don’t have the right to judge a non-Christian for disrespecting the Prez, or anyone else for that matter (referring to 1 Cor 5:12 as verse to back up that statement). And, then I went on to state that the people who post here are a great group of people and I’ve not found them to be judgmental.

    I don’t think Christianity is seen as a “clique” at least not in my neck of the woods. My church does everything it can to include everyone – saved and unsaved. You don’t build a garage for a car that’s running fine – though it still needs to come in for regular maintenance – you build the garage for the car that is broke and needs a whole lot of body or engine work…

    Anna – lol will it surprise you to learn that I use a similar technique? I ask myself, will it matter in 10 years? Yeah, I need to “man up” and dig the truck out, brave the blizzard and pick up eggs so I can make a cake (I forgot to get them yesterday!!) That’ll learn them folks who say we’re all making a bit todo about nutin’!

    Pooh – that’s rough. There’s nothing more frustrating than giving of yourself and for the “taker” to deem it not good enough. I pray you can forgive him for the hurtful remark and remember that it’s ok to take time for yourself, otherwise you’ll burn out.

  65. poohpity says:

    Thank you for the encouragement ladies it is really appreciated and is always needed.

  66. gatormaw says:

    Good evening all. Much earlier in the posts, I said that I never really had to deal with insults, and then tonite – wham! A family member decided to jump down my throat because I am growing closer to the children he abandoned. He doesn’t want me in his life and chose to bring up “sins” of my past to throw in my face. I tried to listen and reason and behave like an adult, but when he chose to continue to scream at me and not let me speak, I decided to scream louder than him to make my point. It ended badly, with really hard feelings on my side, because I love this family member and especially after just losing my brother, do not want to lose another member of my family. Immediately after getting off of the phone with him, I apologized to God and thought “well, I guess I’d better get to confession after this!”. Then I started thinking about Marts blog and wished I had reacted more like Jesus, turned the other cheek, listened to what my family member had to say and just dealt with it instead of becoming angry. I am really trying to absorb the lessons I am learning and live my life the way Jesus wants me to, but it sure is hard sometimes! I wonder if it was a test? If so, I sure failed! But, I think I will carry this with me and in the future it happens again in some manner, hopefully I will react in a more Christian like way and remember the lessons I’ve been learning. Thought I would share this and look forward to any help, suggestions, criticisms, etc. Thanks again to everyone for the prayers and well wishes.

  67. Lively says:

    Gator –

    I am so very sorry, it seems that when someone we love passes away it brings out the best and the worst of those around us. Please, forgive him – forgive yourself. Both of you are hurting; call him as soon as you can. Tell him you are sorry for your part. This might sound presumptuous, but whatever you do, don’t defend your actions. The big, “I’m really sorry for yelling at you, BUT if *you* hadn’t yelled first, then *I* wouldn’t have yelled.” It’s the biggest problem I have, justifying my own (usually bad) actions.

    I’m going to sound a bit nosey here, but I feel like I should ask – why doesn’t he want you in his life? And, if he (truly) doesn’t why would he care if you were in contact with his kids? Did you call him or did he call you?

    His anger sounds totally irrational and converse to his action (of deserting his kids) Do you think it was possible that he was looking for reconciliation? And he just didn’t know how?

    I’d also pray that the Lord give me an opportunity to make it right.

    I’ll be thinking and praying for you,

    Stacy

  68. gatormaw says:

    Hi Stacy, and thanks for your concern. It was my brother who called me and started the conflict. Its quite a long story that I can’t really get into here, but he has been “anti family” for a long time now, and pretty much keeps to himself. I haven’t had much of a relationship with him over the years (his choice) but am friends with his wife. His son asked me for his phone number, which I provided, and my bro was extremely happy about that and appeared to be changing his attitude towards family. Then his daughter contacted me and expressed a desire for possible contact. I told my sister in law about it in an email and my brother read it and thus the ensuing phone call. He told me he did not want to talk to his kids and wanted no contact with me or my sister. He made it very clear that this is what he wants. My sister thinks he is jealous that I have a closer relationship to his kids than he does, and he is trying to hurt me because he is hurting. Well he succeeded in hurting me and I am feeling it today, but am prayerful for both he and myself. He doesn’t want to hear from me, and yes he is irrational, so I am not going to call him. But I will prayer for him. I’ve dealt with this behavior from him for a number of years, and have always been the one trying to reconcile, but he is not receptive. I think he has some demons he has to deal with, and after his rantings last night, I feel it better to just let it be. His wife is totally obedient to him, so I guess I’ve lost her as well.

  69. poohpity says:

    I’ll bet she knows your heart.

  70. gatormaw says:

    Yes pooh, she does, and I’m sure she is feeling sad for me today. She too was hopeful that there would be a reconciliation between her husband and his kids. After losing our sister last year, my sister in law stopped emailing me until I gave the phone number to my nephew. After we reconciled, I asked her why she had stopped writing me and she said that my brother feels that if he is not close to family, it will not hurt when they pass. I don’t understand his way of thinking, but to each his own. I don’t think it has helped him though because he is quite hurt by the passing of our brother, even though he has’nt spoken with him in years. I would like to stay in contact with her, but I know she will bend to the wishes of my brother, and would not respond to me.

  71. poohpity says:

    She is honoring her husband even though we may see the harm in your brothers wishes. He is hurting no matter how much he tries to hide from the pain it will find him. It will all work out even though we may not see how, it will. We all grieve in our own way because God made us all unique but the process is the same and it may happen now or ten years from now but it happens. Be patient and watch God do what He does best comfort those who are hurting. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

  72. gatormaw says:

    Thank you pooh. I can’t express to you how much your wisdom and concern mean to me.

  73. Terri_tls2700 says:

    Thank you poohpity. I’m facing a very strong test right now and I want to respond to it in the most biblical way I can. Thanks for your words.

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