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8.8 in Chile and Our Own

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Woke up this morning to hear the news of another devastating earthquake: This one registering 8.8 in Central Chile.

Wondering what this is going to mean for the people of that shaken region even as we continue to hear about the hundreds of thousands in Haiti who are still without housing, security, or answers for what their life is going to look like in the days ahead.

Am reminded of some of the speculation we’ve heard about why national disasters happen to some people… and not others… which can then lead to the “why us rather than not someone else?”… when it comes to our own problems.

The fact that what we do know is often accompanied by so much more that we don‘t know has me thinking again about something we’ve talked about in the past:

When looking for a way to get through regional loss, family concerns, or personal failure… why is it that we tend to want to be around those who seem to be wise— even more than those known for their intelligence or biblical literacy?

Maybe I should only speak for myself. Why is it that, when I’m hurting– and even though I value the Bible more than any book or newspaper in the world– I’d rather be with a person known for their wisdom rather than for their command of the Scriptures?

If I’m hurting, why don’t I want to be around someone who knows the Bible cover to cover— especially if they seem like they are anxious to let me know how much they know? Why am I more inclined to want to be around people who seem to be better at asking questions than answering them?

I don’t ask this to imply that my motives are always right for not wanting to get quick answers. Sometimes I’m not ready to hear the truth. Sometimes I’d rather hide behind complexity rather than acknowledge an answer that throws light on my faults, wrongs, and fearful heart. Sometimes I’m not ready to go there…

Or, on the other hand, maybe what I’ve just said is not the case…

Sometimes… and even very often… I really am looking for the truth.

Maybe that’s why I would rather be around a wise person who knew enough about the Bible to ask me the right questions… rather than to tell me a lot of what they know… and more.

It’s the “and more” that I’m convinced can run already hurting people into the ground… and worse.

I’m not saying we need less knowledge of the Bible… Am just increasingly convinced that there is a reason that both Old and New Testaments place a high value not only on knowledge, but also on wisdom (Prov 3:13-15; Col 3:16).

I think so often about Nathan the prophet who, with Solomonic, (or “dog-whisperer” cleverness) told the shepherd King David a story about a rich man who killed a poor man’s pet lamb in order to provide a meal for a guest. Nathan obviously understood the king’s shepherd background and the fact that David could identify with affection for a lamb.

Only when a spiritually cold David became emotional over what the arrogant rich man had done, did Nathan use the vulnerability of those feelings to say, i.e. “Don’t you see, David, this is really about you. It’s what you did in taking the wife of one of your generals– for yourself (2Sam 12).

In this case, Nathan knew that David needed to be confronted. But he was very clever in how he did it.

Nathan’s use of the right story to confront David is the wise counterpart to the foolishness of the intelligent, biblically literate friends of Job who misapplied their “biblical” knowledge that “we reap what we sow” to add undeserved pain to an already suffering Job. (Job 4:7-8).

Note: Steve (SFDBWV) from West Virginia sent us some pictures of the snow they are dealing with. I (Mart) live in Michigan and have never seen snow like this! Thanks Steve for giving us a look.

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  1. bubbles says:

    “Its the ‘and more’ ” that can run already hurting people into the ground. . .Mart, you hit the nail on the head here. :) When we see Job’s friends come at first, they sat and sat and said nothing for awhile.

    Had an elderly pastor several years back who would warn us to not begin spurting out verses when someone’s pain was raw. He spoke about how one’s presence and quietness could be the best comfort we could give. Truly, there is a time to be quiet.

    People don’t care how much we know, until they know how much we care.

    My prayers will be with the people of Chile. I cannot imagine. . . did anyone see there was also a tsunami warning off the coast of Japan? There was supposedly an earthquake off the coast of Oakinawa (sp??) yesterday.

  2. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I think what it is Mart, when people are in pain or grieving or suffering something they can’t phathom they have many questions but are not in a state of mind to hear or except the answers.
    We take comfort in being with others with the same grief and the same questions but really don’t want to here the answer because it might be harder to bare than the pain of grief.

    David had a year to think about what He had done and I am sure he knew exactly what he needed to do, that was to repent and ask God to forgive him.
    Because he was a man after God’s own heart he got angry at the story of the stolen lamb and then when confronted by Nathan had no choice but to let go of his grief in hurting his Father in Heaven because he knew how angry God was with him.
    David was never quit the same again, but loved his God even more because He did not hold the sin against him or take away the promise that his throne would be established forever. God had a plan for David’s line that could not be changed, so He changed David.

    Sometimes when we aks a question we already know the answer, but really don’t want to hear it.

    Bob

  3. jam200 says:

    Some people resist the truth because they aren’t ready to be confronted by God in their lives. When Nathan told the story of the lamb to David, he was ready to repent and confess his sin.

    Some people read about or experience the earthquakes but aren’t ready to accept the biblical truth about the end times and earthquakes. In Haiti, I’ve read that there has been a spiritual turn around for some people towards our God.

    Our role is to pray that the loss will come to and accept God in their lives as a result of the catastrophe.

  4. poohpity says:

    Do we really wanted to hear that the earthquake is a sign of the end times or what would God have us to do for these folks? Let’s go and preach the gospel in their hour of need or give them a cup of water, food, clothes and hold them close. I wonder which they would listen to the most.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Am taking a coffee break from dealing with a 42.7 snow event in 2 days.

    I haven’t had the time to ask God why, have only had the time to deal with the problems at hand. Even had a call this morning about another death in the community.

    As bad as the weather has been, suddenly to that family who have lost a loved one…the weather doesn’t matter.

    I am sure we all have had well meaning people give us scripture to *cover* whatever situation we may be dealing with. Sometimes that just don’t really help; As well as have a friend who, as Bubbles stated earlier, just sat and silently suffered in their heart with you.

    Wisdom is indeed the most treasured of posessions. The difference between having a head full of scripture knowledge, and a heart full of scripture, is vast and deep…It may take wisdom to understand that difference.

    You are doing a good job, Mart, the questions you ask, we all ask, at one time or another.

    Steve

    PS, Tokyo,Chile,and Haiti are all on major fault lines. Earthquakes will and have happened there. Will pray for thoes caught up in disasters as well as pray they are ready for eternity.

  6. poohpity says:

    “Our Daily Bread” has a wonderful message this morning.

  7. kingsdaughter says:

    Mart, thank you for posting this heartfelt teaching. It speaks loudly to me. I believe that well-intentioned people harm others by exhibiting their righteousness with seemingly boastful commentary on the whys of what happens in the most difficult of situations. We cannot know many things but to ask wisdom to accept and learn. The Serenity prayer is a good example of that.

    I have not been able to read the Bible out of context this past year, which is what I have made a practice of doing when just reading verses at random. It has been a slow arriving…a gentle nudging…a curiosity of sorts…a searching…for how God has fit into the tragedy of my life. I have been surrounded by wise people and some who have knowledge…both of whom have affected me on different days, different levels, in my different phases.

    Grief always asks the question “why?” I know very few, if any, who at one time don’t ask it. I would not believe a person who says they never have. It is the bigger question even when we know the answer. It escapes our lips without effort…it enters the mind without invitation. I would think even the most faithful of the faithful will ask it at least once in their lifetime.

    Thank you for reminding me about Job’s friends and Nathan’s wisdom. I have known both.

    Your writings are a blessing to me.

    Dale

  8. Debra Otto says:

    Prayers going out to Chile…I’d not heard the news until I logged on to RBC’s Our Daily Bread for my morning devotions. A scene from the movie, Poltergeist, comes to mind when the daughter screamed “WHAT’S HAPPENING???!!!!” I feel the Lord’s coming is very near indeed…

    Hands down, I’ll take a wise person over a person who can fire off Scripture. Wisdom knows when to speak up and when to shut up, when to help out and when to hold back.

    A person with wisdom is always knowledgeable; but a knowledgeable person isn’t always wise.

  9. kingsdaughter says:

    Pooh~ no one may want to hear about the end times but Jesus thought enough of it to warn in Matthew 24, The Olivet Discourse. I think it is as important a warning as the ones ringing out about the tsunamis heading to various shorelines… predictable waves, when given advanced warning can be avoided. The fulfillment of prophecy is a warning to get people to ready their souls. The door has been opened now for those of us who can, be the helping hands and the voices who share the Gospel. It’s twofold. Jesus did both.

    Debra~ I like your quote: “A person with wisdom is always knowledgeable; but a knowledgeable person isn’t always wise.

    Good to “see” you Steve….I hope your family will be out of the snow soon and you will begin to see green sprouts and colorful flowers in bloom.

  10. Anna777 says:

    I guess for me someone quoting scripture to me during a time of deep pain or loss would be somewhat like having YMCA swim class schedules thrown to me while I’m drowning. When just trying to draw my next breath all the well intentioned info seems inapplicable at the time. A life raft, however, would mean something.

    Anna

  11. poohpity says:

    kingsdaughter, but knowing of the end times and doing nothing with today is like standing on the shores of Hawaii watching for the incoming tsunami in harms way watching the waves caused by the wind thinking they are proof of tsunami. They have predicted the ends times for many, many years and that could cause one to look for it rather than being proactive with their faith. I have a hard time with this nit picken. That was not the point anyway, gee.

  12. Anna777 says:

    For me as a believer, while reading about some of the end times prophecy (how certain prophecies are being fulfilled) it doesn’t really change how I share the love of Christ with others. The reason for this is because the end time for someone who needs to know the plan of salvation and the love of Christ, might be tonight. The “end time” could be five minutes away for any of us.

    What’s important to me is that God is in control and he has a perfect plan and he will accomplish that which he has set out to do.

    Anna

  13. Lively says:

    Good evening, everyone! I read the entry and will be thinking about it… while cleaning up after a little disaster here. Upstairs bathroom flooded right to the basement. I’d turned the sink on for the cat and left it running all night – i’ve done it before. This time, the drain was blocked.

    Like Steve, I was in damage control mode and didn’t have time to ask, WHY? But, when the electronics were safe (major flow right on the desk where our computers are) and we had started the process of drying them out – then we prayed. My heart was saying, Oh Lord, Oh Lord during the pulling out of buckets and towels, but my mind was further behind.

    I thank God for my husband, because although God is number ONE in my life, down here, I need someone to just hug me, to take my hand when I’m hurting and to wipe the tears when I cry. He gave him to me because He knows I need physcial comfort. I think that is what’s it’s about Mart. Compassion is rarely felt in words.

    Steve – that is astounding! My heart goes out to you and your community. You’re in my prayers each night.

    Stacy

  14. poohpity says:

    Lively, I have to say there are many perks to having someone to hold and to hold you back. Sometimes my pillows or pets just don’t do the trick. But that is all I have and I must try my very best to not be envious which I am so sad to say.

  15. rxman says:

    About 16 years ago my wife and I lost a child shortly after he was born. Several people talked to us afterwards, but the person I think meant the most to us just came and sat with us. He didn’t tell us that he “knew how we felt”, or quote a bunch of religious platitudes. He just spent time with us and talked to us about regular stuff.

    I think that was a definition of wisdom.

  16. poohpity says:

    The lessons learned by the failures of Job’s friends.

  17. kingsdaughter says:

    Pooh~ YOU ASKED: “Do we really wanted to hear that the earthquake is a sign of the end times or what would God have us to do for these folks?”

    YOU SAID: “I have a hard time with this nit picken. That was not the point anyway, gee.” WHAT WAS YOUR POINT? If you have a hard time with it just relax and take a deep breath!

    Don’t pooh-pooh my answer with your glib response just because you disagree. My answer is Biblical and as valid as anyone else who would answer this.

  18. kingsdaughter says:

    You also need to re-read my post/answer. I just emphasized that we should DO both…not one or the other: Gospel & Bread! Our time is getting shorter whether we die tonight or Jesus returns.

  19. Anna777 says:

    Mart – Perhaps those that are wise are putting the wisdom that God has given them through his Word into tangible acts of kindness. If they are demonstrating the truth and hope of the scripture in love …. then it can be absorbed by those that are hurting.

    Anna

  20. poohpity says:

    Wow, kingsdaughter, if I offended you in any manor please forgive me. I felt misunderstood in my response and it seems you felt misunderstood as well. Please do not take the things I say as an attack they are not meant that way toward anyone. I am really not an angry person quiet the opposite is true. I am also not perfect and have problems putting my thoughts into the right words and I misunderstand often but usually I will ask for clarification. So again I ask you to forgive me for causing you to get upset.

  21. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Hey Dale & Deb, Chill out.

    I just heard the Chilean Presedent say this earthquake is just a part of nature.
    In other words, it has happened and we just have to deal with it, like poor old Steve and his snow in West Virginia.
    Unlike Haiti, Chile is well equiped for this type of disaster and, although I am sure they would rather it didn’t happen, they are geared up for it to happen at least once in every generation.(20 years)
    We should be geared up for the earthquake and Tsunami that is Jesus return to this world, infact he never left because we were charged with the job of going into all the world etc.etc.
    So lets stop bickering about whether this is end times or not and get on with what we are meant to do. Love one another as He love us.
    Bob

  22. daisymarygoldr says:

    Praying for those affected in the devastating earthquake in Chile… also praying for all those who are hurting and yet not ready to hear the truth…it is extremely sad…

    Mart, with this post, the time has come for me to say goodbye! It has been an incredible journey of 3 years for me on this blog. Thank you for being such a gracious host.

    God has wonderfully used you and all the other friends in my spiritual growth—to break me, mold me and make me into a vessel ready for His use…and for this I shall remain forever indebted to yours as well as God’s faithful love!

    It seemed good to the Lord to bring me to this place and prepare me for something bigger. Next week by this time I would have already become a citizen of this nation. I will no longer consider the Church in America as a foreigner but look forward to all the exciting days ahead of me to serve the Lord’s body in this country and be spent for His eternal Kingdom.

    I have talked a lot:) and have not held back anything. The time has come for me to no longer speak but to let go in the love of Christ… not give up!

    You are well known for your intelligence and biblical literacy and for now you just see a head puffed up with knowledge. Praying for God to send wise Nathans your way so you may also see a heart that sorrows and grieves with knowledge…

    And when God will once more shake not only the earth but the heavens… for all to be shaken and removed, it is my sincere prayer that we may be found in the unshakable things that will remain. So long till we meet again in His Kingdom—which cannot be moved…May God bless you all and all of yours!

  23. Debra Otto says:

    Thank you, kingsdaughter. I must’ve heard it somewhere–maybe from an ODB’s “Thought of the Day.” I don’t think I’m wise enough to have come up with it on my own =/. My heart goes out to you, Dale; I well remember dreading the first anniversary of my father’s death. I’ll be praying for you, dear one–some day I’d like to share with you the story of my “Why?”

    Anna, your last post was a revelation; also, what you said about offering swimming lesson schedules to a drowning person reminded me of how I felt after a harrowing divorce. I felt utterly paralyzed, but well-intentioned family and friends kept insisting that I had to “get back in the race.” Two years later, I’m still struggling with feelings of grief, regret, failure and abandonment.

    Pooh, I hear you…piles of pillows and my adorable, chatty parrot go only so far in providing comfort. The Holy Spirit is our ultimate Comfortor, of course…still, we humans need a human touch now and then.

    Good morning, Bob in Cornwall…goodnight everyone else. God bless.

  24. bubbles says:

    Oftentimes I struggle with how to comfort one who is hurting. One doesn’t want to smother another. . . and to do nothing, or just to say, “I’m here if you need me” and then expect/wait for the hurting one to ask. . .doesn’t seem right either. Sometimes I feel as though I could’ve done more, and didn’t.

  25. plumbape says:

    Daisy, Say it’s not true…! I think I joined this blog about the same time as you. I remember thinking this lady must be about 150 years old, lol! Can’t say about others but I have learned a lot from you and a great deal of it is things I would probably have not even thought about on my own. I’m sure our Lord will bless you and your family. ( I hope you have twins! ) We found out in the delivery room our first was actually two.
    God Bless
    Michael Holt

  26. saled says:

    Steve, the amount of snow in your area is really something. If I were there with you, I would not sit down in sympathy; I would shovel that roof that we see in the picture. I have shoveled my own twice this winter. It’s a job that is often overlooked, even here in Maine. With your responsibilities for town roads and cemeteries, I hope someone comes your way to help with that roof.

  27. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Daisy

    I can’t quite see the reason for you quiting the blog but I wish you all the best in whatever it is you are going to do.
    You will be missed by everyone here.

    Bob

  28. poohpity says:

    dmg, sorry to hear about you leaving. You have quiet a lot of bible literacy and understand that growing in heart knowledge is sometimes painful but you are open to the Lord’s leading. If this is what you are prompted to do then go in Jesus’s name and His love but never stop learning or growing there is so much more to be revealed. God bless you in the birth of your child and your new citizenship in this country. Can you have duel citizenship with India? No matter we are aliens in this world anyway. You will be missed.

    Bob, I was not upset to chill out. I felt bad if I had upset Dale and welcome always feedback on my behavior so I can pay attention to what I write, think and say so that I can change where needed.

  29. afranz says:

    “When looking for a way to get through regional loss, family concerns, or personal failure… why is it that we tend to want to be around those who seem to be wise– even more than those known for their intelligence or biblical literacy? “Mart’s quote.
    Isn’t the answer comfort, and hope? We are hurting and seeking to alleviate that pain. It is more comforting to be near those who have survived such circumstances and encourage us. Those folks who have “been there, done that and kept going.”
    We don’t want to know that because we lived in an area that was below sea level an ocean swell was destined to obliterate our home. Or that because our house was built at a certain angle on the side of a mountain in Calif. it slid off in a mudslide. The whys and wherefores don’t help, only the hope that there is way to get through it all, someone else has done it, their presence confirms that.
    Like Bob said about the President of Chile’s quote. They expect this because they “know” where they live. It is part of the deal. So it is with the other tragedies of life.
    Eccl. 9:11 “The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to men of understanding, nor favor to men of skill; but time and chance happen to them all. For man also does not know his time: like fish taken in a cruel net, like birds caught in a snare, so the sons of men are snared in an evil time, when it falls suddenly upon them.”
    When the “whys?” engulf me I cling to this verse. Some things just are what they are.

    Steve. Incredible snow! Will pray for a slow steady thaw that doesn’t flood lowlands.

  30. Anna777 says:

    Daisy – I don’t know if you’ll even see this but I will say it anyway. I’m quite new to this site and don’t know you as the others do. I do want to say, however, that I have been deeply moved by some of the insights God has provided to you. I especially appreciated one of the comments you made on one of the other blogs when you said that so many churches today preach forgiveness without repentance. I have been looking for a church home and have been really shocked in that regard. So many churches now feel more like social clubs with a slight twist of the Word. In the meantime I get fed by the teacher (Pastor) of my church “back home”. I’m not giving up on my search – I don’t care about having a perfect search – but it must be absolutely consistent with what God tells us in his Word. I so appreciate Job 2:10; “May we indeed accept good from God and shall we not accept adversity?” (NASB) As your sister in Christ – I look forward to the day when we shall fall on our knees together in worship of the King of Kings, our Lord, our Everlasting Father.

    Debra Otto: It sounds like you have been through some very difficult, lonely times. It’s never easy going through the fires of refinement. I’ve often recalled some of my darkest hours and wonder what it would have been like if I didn’t have the knowledge that through all of it God could and would be right there with me. Today I am praying for you that you will feel the loving arms of God around you. I remember one night that was particularly difficult and I actually asked God if he would tuck me in bed! I had the best nights sleep I had for a long time! I find such comfort in Joel 2:25 “God will restore the years the locust have eaten”. I hope that didn’t have the same effect of swimming schedules to a drowning person! LOL.

    Anna

  31. Anna777 says:

    ********CORRECTION********* I meant I don’t care about finding a perfect Church not search!

    Sometimes the brain and hands don’t get along!

    Anna

  32. bubbles says:

    Do we want to be remembered for kindness or for hurting others? Hurting others doesn’t bring honor to the Lord. Hmmmm. once saw a sign in an office that said individuals can bring joy to the office by their presence or bring joy by their absence.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Saled, I have shoveled off my 91 year old mother-in-laws roof, My own as far back as I can reach from the eaves. I have a metal roof with snow birds….a mistake. I think the snow birds will come off next summer.

    The red buildingg in the picture is one of my out buildings I keep garden supplies and tools in it and other such things. It is about 130 years old.

    About three years ago, I reroofed it with new 1″ rough cut oak boards, 10′ long. The boards run about 7 inches in width. Inside I doubled the old style rough cut 2×4 joists with the same size 2x4s (about 3×5).

    As in Maine, one has to prepare for winters here. Not sure anyone could every have forseen this winter. But Hopefuly everyone will learn from the experiance.

    I have cleaned off the back porch so many times I can’t recall the number. Have also shoveled out my electric meterbox seversl times.

    Incredible as it is, have been hearnig song birds for over a week.

    See you on the other side Daisy, I am happy for you that you are becoming an American citizen. I hope you vote and remember to vote, as your moral interpretation directs you.

    Steve

  34. poohpity says:

    I have been spelling quiet instead of quite. Gee and I thought I should go back to school well maybe to learn to spell. lol

  35. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Pooh/Deb

    I check and recheck my spelling and always after I press submit there is a glaring mistake and I say out loud oh no!.
    I always do “quit” for “quite” and get my e’s an i’s muddled. silly language english anyway.
    I always hope you lot over there just think is is spelling differences between our two nations. lol

  36. Debra Otto says:

    Haha–you wish, Bob. As an admirer of the United Kingdom, I am quite (yes–quite, not quiet–lol) aware of the differences between US and UK spelling. However, you will never catch me “criticising” the King’s Language–or the spelling of it (only, isn’t it customary over there to call a woman named Debra “Debs”? Henceforth, please add a proper British “S” to my nickname…cheers, mate!).

    Thank you, Anna. That wasn’t a swimming schedule, but a word spoken in due season. I will rest on Joel 2:25 tonight after Father tucks me in! :D

    Good night, Family.

  37. MrCaspino says:

    It’s 6:08 p.m. here on Oahu, Honolulu, Hawaii, Sunday, Feb. 28 and I’ve read a lot of the comments that were posted. Through all that has happened to Haiti, Chile and Japan, I can only thank our Lord Jesus Christ who alone has spared the Hawaiian islands from being hit by a tsunami. All of my fellow brethren in Christ has been praying early in the morning on Saturday, Feb. 27 all the way until 2 p.m. (the time of the tsunami warning would end). Praise be to God for His mercy and grace that he has for the people of Hawaii. To God be all the glory forever and ever.

    Manuel

  38. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    Our natural rebellion is aroused when God’s word is what we need. Sometimes I feel like the little girl who crumpled her dress in hopes she could stay home from church. If we can rise above the rebellion and seek Him instead of others, the needed growth/change happens faster. I wonder if this is why God’s allowed me no pastors or the few counselors I sought to not have the answers nor wanted to even deal with the tremendous happenings/trials in my life. Truly, having the One to one relationship is far better.

  39. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Happy St Davids day to all!

    I am so glad the Tsunami was only a small event.
    France & Germany have just been hit by a big storm that has caused lots of flooding and wind damage.
    It just touched our south coast but was only slight here.
    It seems we are all getting a taste of natures power at the moment!

  40. pegramsdell says:

    MrCaspino, So glad Hawaii was spared. Thank You Jesus! Also praying for all the other areas, even those here with all the snow (Steve). Thank You Lord for your faithfulness and love.

    You know I was thinking about the Samaritan man:

    Luke 10:33 “Then a despised Samaritan came along, and when he saw the man, he felt compassion for him. 34 Going over to him, the Samaritan soothed his wounds with olive oil and wine and bandaged them. Then he put the man on his own donkey and took him to an inn, where he took care of him. 35 The next day he handed the innkeeper two silver coins,[e] telling him, ‘Take care of this man. If his bill runs higher than this, I’ll pay you the next time I’m here.’

    …….To see the need and act on it we need discernment. It is a gift. Lord please give me discernment to know when to be quiet, when to speak, and when to act. Thank You Jesus!

  41. infiniti07 says:

    All of us have been in situations that brought grief, stress or pressure and after having gone through those situations relying on God, we become wiser and can apply knowledge and understanding for others in similar situations. For me, it is in times of great need when I learn the most about the knowledge I gained in the past and can apply it with better understanding. During these times of great need I would only accept comfort from those who can truly empathize. This may or may not come from a believer because God can and will use anyone to console. Sometimes it is as much benefit to the unbeliever who who comes alongside a believer in times of great stress and perhaps it is God’s way of reaching out to the unbelieving heart through the grieving or stressed believer. I can understand why Solomon asked for wisdom and not riches. Wisdom is great richness when shared. I appreciate this forum for receiving the wise comments of many of your www audience and the opportunity to add comments that perhaps will spark interest or more insight based on my own personal experiences that needs to be shared to honor the Lord

  42. Godmakesmeable says:

    Peter’s Declaration about Jesus
    27 Jesus and his disciples left Galilee and went up to the villages near Caesarea Philippi. As they were walking along, he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”
    28 “Well,” they replied, “some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say you are one of the other prophets.”

    29 Then he asked them, “But who do you say I am?”

    Peter replied, “You are the Messiah.[b]”

    30 But Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.

    Jesus Predicts His Death
    31 Then Jesus began to tell them that the Son of Man[c] must suffer many terrible things and be rejected by the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, but three days later he would rise from the dead. 32 As he talked about this openly with his disciples, Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things.[d]
    33 Jesus turned around and looked at his disciples, then reprimanded Peter. “Get away from me, Satan!” he said. “You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

    My husband pointed out this morning in our first day of new “bible study” a good question: When Peter gave the right answer the *first* time, God told his disciples not to tell anyone about him…

    I believe God is saying: “Truth is revealed (by God himself only) through the wisdom of understanding a relationship. (Jesus is a bridge for others to walk accross). Truth is not *discovered* by knowlege of “facts”. Acceptance of “facts” through knowlege = arrogance and pride. Trust – in the wisdom of understanding relationships (First of all our own to Christ himself.) is TRUTH = freedom, confidence, love and everything lovely and “good”. The only thing we can “DO” right is accept that God the Father LOVES us. Our “proof” is Jesus Christ and what HE did + NOTHING.
    Mary and Martha? We should not put more pressure on ourselves to “do” anything, but to communicate more and more and more and more.

    WOW!

  43. Godmakesmeable says:

    I can’t get the image of the infinite 0. On a number line zero is in the middle: to the left = infinite negative numbers; to the right = infinite positive.

  44. Godmakesmeable says:

    I meant: “I can’t get the image of the infinite 0 off my mind.” :-)

  45. Godmakesmeable says:

    WHAT A FRIEND WE HAVE IN JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. Godmakesmeable says:

    BETTER IS ONE DAY IN YOUR HOUSE THAN THOUSANDS ELSEWHERE!

  47. xrgarza says:

    Mart,

    I know exactly what you are saying, in my younger years I can remember that is the very thing that caused me to stray. I already knew I had done something wrong, I was hurting feeling sorry and bad I simply wanted to hear a comforting word and that all was going to be OK, I wanted to know that I had someone in my corner that understood and was not going to abandon this frighten little kid if you will.

    Instead I got a lot of rhetoric, pointing fingers while quoting scripture insisting that I was going to go to hell because I was sinning.

    Today since I have applied biblical principles virtually literally, more than anything I want to make sure that I am living what I believe, and the best way I can express that without quoting scripture when someone is in pain of any kind? I simply remind myself of two things 1:there is no sense in doing something if I can’t do my best, and 2: To be a good friend, relative, teacher, mentor I must be more than willing to be inconvenienced, this keeps me from pointing fingers and quoting scripture.

    I must admit it’s not always the easy thing to do, I often find that I have to reel myself in.

    When my world came crashing down on me back in 2002/2003 I had people tell me “oh you took your eyes off the Lord huh” they didn’t have a clue, heck I didn’t have a clue.

    As far as Haiti and Chile I can’t judge nor will I judge as to why tragedy has hit them it could have very well been us. Yes the Bibles tells us that in the last days… They don’t need here the rhetoric; they need to know they are not alone and that everything will be fine. What can we do to be inconvenienced at a time like this?

    Xavier

  48. xrgarza says:

    I meant hear and not here :) I know that you know, and understand, :)

    Xavier

  49. poohpity says:

    I guess it goes back to what Jesus modeled of this God/man do not come to be served but to serve.

    I heard a really good story this weekend at church that modeled this topic to the Nth degree. The first service in our church is of those who like the older hymns and are mainly older generation which in our fellowship are known for complaining about the way the church is being ran and the music being played and many other issues. Anyway a couple with two children went instead to that service and it was raining outside. They have no car so they generally use the bus system to get wherever they are going. After the service they had one small umbrella to cover all four of them and went to the bus stop in the rain which offered no shelter. While standing there waiting for the bus that service emptied and car after car passed them by and no one stopped to ask if they needed a ride or helped them in anyway to get out of the rain.

    These are the folks that usually not always and I do not intend to apply this to ALL but say things like the bible says. While being so concerned about what they think the bible says the heart of the bible is missing. These are the ones that are so emphatic about living out scripture they have no idea that they totally missed the point altogether. They cause more harm by throwing scripture around never understanding the wisdom and the true heart of God.

    It seems that some use God and biblical literacy to demand respect and honor rather than understanding that we are to think of others as better than ourselves and to serve rather than abuse. So are they really knowledgeable in the word of God or are they just words to be used to promote their own glory?

  50. foreverblessed says:

    I would like to share with you. Tomorrow we were to go on a holiday, booked an airplane long ago, for our 25 anniversary, march5. But my mother in law started to get really worse. We all visited her on saturday. To go or not to go?
    We could only change our ticket to another date. But to which date?
    Saturday night these worries came over and over in my mind. I prayed about it, and worried about it. My husband wanted to go, but I felt we shouldn’t. Till suddenly a real peace came over me, as if God Himself was saying, do not worry, everything will be allright. And all the burdens left me, and I was at peace, not knowing what would happen, but that it would be OK.
    Such a reliance on God, and it sounds so christian, but it was through God’s grace, no merit of my own. How wonderful God is, that He is in charge, and whatever happend He is there. Nothing that happens is out of His sight. Anything that happens will in the end be turned to something good, because of Jesus!

    And the next morning we got the news that she had peacefully passed away. How mercifull God is. He was there all the time, and He arranges our beginning and our end.
    She got the prayers of the priest, they pray that in the name of Christ all sins are forgiven.
    On thursday she would have been 85, but that day we will bury her.

    That sense of total reliance in God, and not worrying, and thinking, and so on. That is where we are heading:
    All a good journey.
    (I may not be able to blog for a while, but reading will be possible)

  51. poohpity says:

    My heart is with you and your family during this time of loss, foreverblessed. Happy anniversary as well, 25 years is something to celebrate along with the life of your mother-n-law.

  52. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Pooh, much appreciated!

  53. saled says:

    Steve, I wish my roof was built from oak planks. I wouldn’t worry about shoveling it either. Snow birds must be ice stops? We have them on our new metal roof at school, and I see why they might be called snow birds. I envy you your song birds. It’s been unusually warm here, low to mid 30’s for the past week, and bear has come out of hibernation. Not good news, with so long before there will be anything for him to eat.

    Bob, happy St. David’s Day to you. I heard that you celebrate with daffodils. Can’t wait to see daffodils here.

  54. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Yes, The daffodils are in flower in my garden and the comercial fields for over a month now.
    It is a welsh celibration, ours is 5th March, Cornwall’s St Pirans days, then the Irish on 17th march St Patrics day, the English are on 23rd April, St Georges day and the Scots are last on the 30th November, St Andrews day.

  55. xrgarza says:

    foreverblessed, Me deepest condolences.

    Steve, Love the pictures, does it still feel like Christmas?

    Xavier

  56. SFDBWV says:

    xrgarza, It’s funny you ask that. Even though I am told I can’t sing well, I sing all the time. One of the songs I find myself singing is “It’s Beginning To Look Like Christmas.” Especialy when I am shoveling another ton of it.

    Foreverblessed, Death is never welcome, nor is anyone ever really prepared to deal with it. My symathies to you and your family.
    There is a country song out there by Tobey Keith about the death of his friend. Tobey sings “I don’t feel sorry for you, (his deceased friend)I feel sorry for me.”
    My dad used to say to me that no one is dead as long as they are remembered….Remember your mother-in-law and talk of her. The presence of many people I have known are missed, but when I remember them, most often it is with a smile.

    Steve

  57. SFDBWV says:

    As I watch the news coming out of Chile, I see that it just gets worse and worse. Heard this norning that the quake even altered the Earth’s axis…

    Thank God Hawaii and other areas were spared from a tidal wave. It seems that coastal towns in chile were not so fortunate.

    End times or not, it is a glimps of what horrible future lay ahead for the world when the terrible time of global tribulation does come.

    Incredible as it may seem. We read in Revelation that the inhabitants will curse God, knowing, that is God who is pouring out judgement upon the Earth, instead of repenting and asking for forgiveness.

    I wonder how different we are, right now, from thoes people mentioned at the end of the age of man.

    Steve

  58. Lively says:

    As I listened to the reporter tell the world that the quake shifted the earth, my son began to laugh and giggle at what he was watching. At almost 3 years old, he knows nothing of what is to come – his little eyes are always searching, always awed and mostly dancing with laughter and joy. He is the epitome of hope and comfort.

    Forever, I am truly sorrowful of your loss.

    Steve – This upcoming storm will miss, you – yes?

    Bob – Our daffy’s should be out, but most of the banks they grow on here are still under snow!

  59. SFDBWV says:

    Stacy, Weather prediction being an inexact science, only God knows if the next snow maker is going to reach up into the Appalachian Mts far enough to affect us.

    Looks like that groundhog in PA was the only one who knew about the past 4 weeks.

    Unless we had daffodil trees, there ain’t no way they are going to see sunlight for a long time, here.

    Some fellows from the National Weather Service was here yesterday. They were taking pictures and getting some first hand looks at this winters record breaking snows. They were amazed that even though there were no predictions for precipitation yesterday…it was constant light snow here all day.

    Bob, I would suppose you “Chaps” in England have God to thank for the Gulf Stream that keeps England from being like Sweden or Norway. I am glad you are having nice spring like weather there.

    Steve

  60. poohpity says:

    Mart,

    I was wondering if at times when folks throw scripture and bible knowledge around if it is the easier way of not getting involved with the life of the person in need? I do not think that bible literacy is where the problem lies if one truly understands the compassion that we have been shown. I would tend to think it is of those who’s eyes have not been open to the true heart of God and what He is trying to teach us through His Word.

    Is compassion a learned trait? Does one have to have experienced compassion to show compassion or to have been in need to be able to minister to those in need whatever need that maybe. I think it all comes back to truly understanding what we have been shown through the Cross and the whole bible. I really believe if one has read the bible enough times they begin to get a better picture of what the pages reveal and are then more prone to act accordingly.

    I have seen people who have never experienced much adversity yet they are full of compassion and love for others but the common ground was being bible literate and aware of who they are compared to Christ. I would think that some just do not have the time to get involved with the true needs of humanity so use scripture to run from the problems and then do not have to get their hands dirty.

  61. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Pooh,
    I know what you mean.
    I was working in the garden this afternoon when a friend popped her head around the gate.
    She has just moved to the village and is going through a terible depression because her previous house sale has fallen through and she wonders what on earth she has done and has no money. She knows I am a christian but we rarely talk about that. during our brief conversation she started to open up about the stress of it all and how ill her patner is etc.
    She just wanted to offload and also asked me to help her move some heavy plant pots in her own garden sometime. I know it is not much, but as you said, it is so much easier just to glibly say some scripture sound bight.
    I am also helping her with her allotment (Thats a small plot of land that you can rent to grow plants and vegetables on) but she is too depressed to even think about that yet.
    It seems that when people are down they just want someone to stand with them, not someone to lecture them in what could or should be done.
    Bob

  62. Lively says:

    There is a reason why most great conversationalists are even greater listeners.

  63. poohpity says:

    Contrary to what you think, Bob, it was very, very big. A touch of love in a dry place is a great thing and truly blessed. Yea!!!!

  64. bubbles says:

    Pooh,
    Great thoughts. Have often wondered about compassion also. Could compassion fall under the umbrella of ‘love’, as a fruit of the Spirit? Don’t know. Compassion is love in action, sort of.

    I used to work with a dear lady who was like Dorcas in the Bible. She was ALWAYS doing something for someone. Those small, quiet acts of kindness were like second nature to her. I’ve seen her do something, and think, “Why didn’t I do that??” She is a great role-model.

    Bob, even though your friend may not have said so, I’ll bet your kind acts and kind words will be long remembered. Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless.

    p.s: There are 50 daffodil/tulips bulbs asleep under the snow beside the front porch waiting to come up. 18 days til spring! :)

  65. bubbles says:

    Foreverblessed,
    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  66. poohpity says:

    I think compassion is the wisdom of applied biblical truths and faith. It is what has been shown from Genesis to Revelation by God to us.

  67. Anna777 says:

    Foreverblessed – What a beautiful expression of the practicality of God’s love and peace. Thank you for sharing. I, too, am sorry for your loss.

    Debra Otto – You have been in my prayers. I have been praying for you that as you go through your day you will be ever aware of God’s comfort.

    To Everyone – I am so thankful for this blog. It has been a real time of growth for me as a believer as I consider so many of your insights and wisdom. It makes me want to dig into the Word even deeper and by God’s grace make the connection between what I read and how I act!

    I feel truly humbled today. I’ve had a couple of things happen and I have been so disappointed in my frailty in my response! My daughter is married to a man who, while having many fine qualities, he seems to be rather abusive to her as far as how he speaks to her. It makes my heart sad. Today I reacted to his unkindness to her in a way that did not honor Christ. Seems like right when I think I’m starting to make progress in a certain area, something happens that reminds me how I fall short!

    Then I found out my nephew who just had surgery for testicular cancer, was two days post op, in great pain, and his employer called him in the hospital and told him he was fired from his job! I couldn’t believe it. I immediately wanted to call corporate, picket the business, oh my……Do any of you ever feel as though you can handle things that happen to you easier than if someone does something to your friends or family?

    Bob – Sounds like God is using you! I often wonder how many opportunities I miss to show God’s love because of my business. A good reminder to me, especially today!

    Thank you to each one of you for taking the time to share. I join hands with you in prayer for those who are suffering throughout the world.

    Anna

  68. bubbles says:

    Anna,
    Bet your daughter is thankful she has a mom who has her back. ♥

  69. poohpity says:

    Anna, I do not know if this will help with your nephew but you can read about the FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) see if it can be applied to his situation. Yes, it seems to be a big problem for me to see those I love being treated bad and I do not act in a very loving manor either actually quite the opposite.

  70. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    I’m so sorry for the losses. I pray that you all will focus on the Lord and find that the gain in growth outweighs the troubled times.

    Anna, keep praying. A mother’s prayer for her children is of great value. I testify to this as I was the lost daughter of a faithful praying mother. I also married an abusive man and endured both physical and verbal abuse. I suggest that you pray Colossians 1:9-14 inserting their names and trusting our powerful Lord’s living word. Pray this at least once a day. This is a by faith prayer and results are presently being seen also in our house. When I forgot to pray this, things slipped back.

  71. Anna777 says:

    Bubbles – Thank you. I truly am fiercely protective of my kids (as most moms are!), but lately it’s become painfully evident to me that my attempts to protect my kids aren’t nearly as effective as my taking my worries to the Lord. I’ll know I’m growing when my first reaction upon hearing about things that concern me is that I drop to my knees instead of handling it “my” way. It’s not easy!

    Poohpity – I’ll check into that. I appreciate that info. Thank you!

    AmazedbyHisgrace: What a beautiful scripture! I am going to print it up and carry it in my car and put one by my kitchen sink. That is beautiful and powerful! Thank you so much.

    You all are great!

    Anna

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