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Beating Ourselves Up

Who would doubt that, all too often, we are our own worst enemy?

Without minimizing the great harm that others can do to us, and to those we love, who can deny the damage that we do by refusing to forgive ourselves for the foolish and hurtful things we have done– even after admitting that God, himself, has made us an offer of mercy?

Certainly, there is a time to feel the weight of our wrongs. It is for good reason that the liturgy of some of our churches leads us to confess that we are “miserable sinners.” Why else would we be more interested in our own pleasure than in doing something about the pain we are causing others?

There is a time to acknowledge the truth about ourselves, as difficult as that may be. But with such honesty there also comes a time to turn our eyes away from our real guilt and shame to the One who, according to the Bible, is, apparently,  far more ready to forgive us– than we are.

What does lingering self-contempt tell us about ourselves?

Could we be expecting too much of ourselves? While grieving what we have lost, is it possible that we are putting more pressure on ourselves than God himself does?  Psalm 103 says, “He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities. For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us. As a father pities His children, so the Lord pities those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust” (vv.10-14).

Could hating ourselves for what we have done be a self-defeating way of loving ourselves on our own terms– rather than on God’s?

Is it even possible that “expecting too much of ourselves” isn’t the broken humility that leads to real forgiveness– but rather a wounded pride that is keeping us from looking into the eyes of the One who has died for us?

Could self-condemnation be prolonging our sin?

Isn’t self-condemnation the opposite of the gratitude that opens our hearts to God?

Maybe that’s why the Apostle Paul was so transparent about his own wrongs (Romans 7:15-20)– so that he could openly acknowledge that his joy and confidence were in what Christ had bought for us– rather than in anything he could brag about in the flesh (Romans 7:21-8:4).

Could it also then be time for us to stop beating ourselves up– and to think about the inexpressible pain and wounds that our Savior endured… to set us free? (Isa 53:4-6).

Note: This post is adapted from a longer article I wrote a few years ago. The original gives more context and detail. If you are interested you can find it at this link. Am especially interested to hear how our wider circle of friends has come to terms with this difficult issue.


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  1. BruceC says:

    Your post reminds me of the song “I Did It My Way” by Frank Sinatra. I think its great appeal to so many people was its appeal to our pride; which will always be a part of our fallen nature. Pride; the original sin. “I” “I” “I”
    I think the reason we self-condemn so much is we want to forgive ourselves our way. By beating ourselves up over failures and sin I think we beleive it will give us impetus to do better the next time around. But we often fail the next tinme around too and we drive ourselves nuts wondering why we didn’t learn the lesson. It all points to God’s grace and how wonderful it is. Sometimes we wrongly think that His grace will be available only if we are continually improving and not sliding back into a nagging sin or another failure. But His grace is there ALL THE TIME. And we just need to confess our sin and He will forgive. And we need to rely on HIM and not ourselves and our own strength get that victory. We need to self-examine ourselves from God’s perspective and not allow self to start the beating up process again. The enemy could use that failure to get us to give up and think it’s no use; that we will never be acceptable to God. But let’s rely on God’s provision of grace in Jesus Christ and believe in our hearts that He sees us clothed in the righteousness of His Son and not our flimsy attempts to work for His approval. That is what gives us freedom and will alow God to do works in us for victory.

    BruceC

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Mart, As touched on by Bruce, sin wants to keep us in its grip, and if we allow it to, we can be convinced that we are still unforgiven.

    This is why it is important if we have sinned against another person, we need to make a good attempt to appologize to them and ask their forgiveness as well.

    So that instead of an enemy we may find a brother, and find peace.

    Sometimes this is impossible, so we do then what we can to make certain that we never repeat such an act against another and if ask, be ready to forgive others as well.

    God will speak to our hearts and we will know forgiveness, but faith comes by hearing His Word. So I hope all understand the scripture verse Mart has given from Psalm 103, forgiveness and mercy shown to us His children.

    Who is it that forgiveness is offered? vs17..”them that fear Him, and His righteousness v18 to such as keep His covenant, and thoes that remember His commandments and *do* them.

    John 14:21 “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
    :23 “If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

    Romans 5:1..”We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Do we believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ? Do we believe that through the sacrifice on the cross Jesus is a substitute for our sins? Do we believe that through believing these things and trusting Jesus as trusting God Himself…That we are saved from judgement?

    Then our faith is now placed squarely on the shoulders of the Christ and our sins are forgive as such.

    What then of thoes who do not love Jesus or place their trust in Him? Are their sins forgiven them? John 15;6 “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered: and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” Rev 20:15 ” And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

    No need to worry, or beat ourselves up… We have the blood of Christ to protect us from destruction…Just accept it and most important…Believe it.

    Steve

  3. slml says:

    Sure, God forgives us. I am eternally grateful for that. However, the consequences of some of those long ago sins are still in play. The sorrow of stupid, youthful mistakes has had an effect on my entire life. God forgives, but the consequences remain. Do not mistake regret for guilt.

  4. dust says:

    Thank you Mart, I have to admit that I do beat myself up more than I should (I think it is my pride). If i take the time and ask myself “would I treat someone else like am I treating my self” i usualy say no. I really like this blog, Mart and look forward to reading what everyone has to say.

    Dust

  5. Tap says:

    A very important tool I use to combat Beating Up on Myself is to stay grounded in God’s Word and keep in close fellowship with steadfast Believers. Above all, PRAYER. Quiet time alone and with those steadfast Believers.

    Tap

  6. raayna says:

    For too long my depravity has taken center stage. I’m being called to claim my dignity, to begin living in my true state as a child of God. This comes as yet another reminder to me to get started.

    Thanks.

  7. DVP says:

    What if your Christian family constantly condemns you, though you logically know God has forgiven you? What if Psalm 103:13 doesn’t describe your father (nor Matthew 7:9-11)? What if your father is ALSO a pastor and your mother “looks” good making meals and crafts for other people?

    What if you had 2 chronic illnesses and resultant financial problems, etc., and couldn’t help thinking “Pastor Dad” must be right: even though God forgives, you still need to be punished, because… ‘Your reward is in heaven’?

    These are more rhetorical questions, logically I already know the answers.

  8. 4grankids says:

    Have been thinking on my mistakes and bad choices as well, “beating” myself up so to speak would put it more accurate, thank-you for this reminder, I know God has forgiven me, I need to let it go and learn from those wrongs and with his help live a life pleasing unto him!
    Thank-you for this post and for sending it to my e-mail!!

  9. thanqlord says:

    When we focus on our sin instead of on our Savior, we’re off the mark. We need to be seeking Him. It does no one any good to dwell on behaviors (thought, words, and/or actions) that displease our Lord, having once committed them and confessed them. Certainly God doesn’t. Let’s get on with the business of the life He gave us to live to give Him glory — to love Him and our neighbor, and to celebrate the new life of freedom from sin that we may now enjoy as He lives in our hearts!

  10. Clive Belsham says:

    On the button as usual
    I my case I often beat myself up because what we are trying to do to help others keeps back firing and those we are trying to help remain wallowing in their misery and self pity because it is more comfortable for them to do so compared to admitting they need help and doing something about it.
    But what keeps me going is the realization that we are not responsible for the results!
    What we are responsible for is empathy and patience and demonstrating the love of God

  11. poohpity says:

    This topic hit home for me this morning. Over the last year with the loss of both parents within a year of each other. The memories of their constant demands on perfection from me has caused me to wake up during the night screaming I am doing my best. After much counseling I have come to terms that they did a better job at parenting than they received. Even in the understanding of those facts it is often hard for me to forgive myself for the things I have done when they were constantly brought up and thrown back in my face. I often feel like the consequences are more than I can bare sometimes. Then the Lord provides topics like this one to let me know that He is really listening to the anguish I am feeling inside. God has never demanded perfection from any of us.

    If God asks us to “love your neighbor as yourself” (MT 22:39; MK 12:31,33; LK 10:27; ROM 13:9; GA 5:14 JA 2:8). If I can not live as if I am forgiven then the feelings of guilt and shame come out in others areas like anger, resentment, self loathing, false pride, condemnation, judgment and a very critical spirit. Looking to the Cross if I am unable to admit that is the only One I need to compare myself to then how can I not forgive myself with His help. I have to learn to love myself before I am able to love another.

    I read your link and thank you, Mart for being honest about your struggle with this too.

  12. poohpity says:

    As you also mentioned, Mart, the different ways this can be manifested in personalities.

    The people who have a hard time with the application of scripture to themselves and the majority of the time focus on how to apply it to others rather than doing self reflection. It seems this group has a very hard time looking at their own motives for doing things therefore have a very hard time admitting they are wrong in anything but see what others do wrong.

    Another group are those that walk around always apologizing for everything. They say “I am sorry” very often for things that they may have not even done even like breathing they say “I am sorry”. They have determined they are sorry for just being alive. They take responsibility for everything everybody does wrong.

    Another group admits they are wrong and asks for forgiveness yet as this topic emphasizes they walk around defeated thinking they can never do anything right so they do not do anything. Or they admit their wrong and when someone does not forgive them they do not consider that God has forgiven them and walks in defeat also.

    Those like Paul who knows that their behavior and forgiveness is not dependent on anything they can do but in what Christ has done and walk in victory over sin and self righteousness. This group has a clear vision on who they are compared to Christ and what He did on the Cross and live their lives for Him. They share the forgiveness they have been shown and are able to give that mercy and grace to others.

  13. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautifull post. It makes wide my heart: so this is the good news. So good to my soul, I try to let it sink deeper and deeper.

  14. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    We beat ourselves up because we feel we need to be punished when we do something wrong. This stems from our childhood and we were probably told off or sent to the naughty step or in some cases physicaly beaten when we had done wrong.
    In reality Jesus of Nazereth, the Christ, Messiah, took all our sin, wrong doing, pain and hurt with Him to the cross and took all the punishment on Himself Once and for All.
    So there is now NO Comdenation to those that believe in and trust in Him.
    He bore Our Grief so that we may overcome grief John 11:30 “Jesus Wept” for Lazarus.
    He bore our Loneliness John 6:66-78, 16:32, Math 27:46
    He bore Ridicule.
    He was Misunderstood, Rejected, Criticised, Troubled and Betrayed.
    He bore our Shame when the relgious leaders questioned His parentage John 8: v19 & 41
    The list goes on….
    Jesus experienced all these things and was tempted in every way as we are tempted.
    Jesus did not take all our sin and shame to the cross so that we would never experience hurt, but he bore all the pain and consequences so that we would not have to live under their dominion.
    So we should never “beat ourselves up” because Jesus was “beaten up” in our place and took everything on Himself.
    He whom the son sets free is free indeed.
    Note: “FREE IN DEED”

    Bob

    ps. I have paraphrased these thoughts from a book I have recently read by Heather Double called “Ouch that Hurt”

  15. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    The place we need to come to exchange our hurt and pain for His relief and healing is the foot of the cross. Only here, when we give our guilt over to Him, are we set free.

  16. bubbles says:

    Of course, in Heaven, the most wonderful thing will be seeing Jesus in person. Seeing the glory of God Almighty. Having all eternity so praise Him for who He is, and what He’s done.

    But another wonderful beyond words thing is to be free of the sin that effects and affects us now. Sin that is ours and the sin that others commit reverberates and effects many lives.

    I believe some things cannot be repaired while we are here, and we must wait for Him to make all things right when we are with Him.

  17. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    Mart asked, “Without minimizing the great harm that others can do to us, and to those we love, who can deny the damage that we do by refusing to forgive ourselves for the foolish and hurtful things we have done– even after admitting that God, himself, has made us an offer of mercy?”

    For me, it depends on the level of “foolish and hurtful.” If I forget to call or visit a friend or loved one, and I’m forgiven for it, I would have no problem forgiving myself.
    On the other hand, if I’m given responsibility for someone’s child and he/she ends up injured or worse, it would be VERY difficult for me to forgive myself. Would definitely need the LORD’s help.

    First initial thoughts…

    Blessings,

  18. Regina says:

    *I meant to say, “if I’m given the responsibility of taking care of someone’s child” :)

  19. ballinbc says:

    I wanted to pick up on part of what poohpity said about personalities and a critical spirit.

    “If I can not live as if I am forgiven then the feelings of guilt and shame come out in others areas like anger, resentment, self loathing, false pride, condemnation, judgment and a very critical spirit.”

    “The people who have a hard time with the application of scripture to themselves and the majority of the time focus on how to apply it to others rather than doing self reflection. It seems this group has a very hard time looking at their own motives for doing things therefore have a very hard time admitting they are wrong in anything but see what others do wrong.

    Sadly, I have seen this in congregations where those in positions of influence or power have exactly this sort of personality. This had lead to people leaving the church, entire splits in congregations and even people turning away from Jesus.

  20. SFDBWV says:

    “Could self condemnation be prolonging our sin?”

    Yes I have known people who have said to me, that they are beyond forgiveness. That they are not worthy of being forgiven.

    Of course this is exactly the position the devil wants people to be in.

    Thinking they are unworthy and the only place they belong is there deep in the sin that has them in its grip.

    But the good news is that, God made a way for *ALL* to be forgiven and return to Him.

    That no matter how dark or sinister you may think of yourself, God thinks enough of you to forgive you.

    Because a man …Jesus of Nazareth , came as a true represententation of God Himself, and took everyones sin and placed it upon Himself and paid our price and took our punishment for us…in our place.

    The problem for most of us is that we don’t understand forgiveness….So how can we understand being forgiven.

    Would you forgive another for stealing something from you? If they ask you to?

    It begins with the offender recognizing they had done something wrong and wanting to make things right by admitting it and asking forgiveness for the offense.

    This is all God requires of us, to be aware of the wrong things we do and ask forgiveness for them.

    Having a heart that feels bad for doing the wrong, and having a desire to be released of the guilty feeling that accompanies it.

    God will forgive you, if you feel bad for your affense, ask for forgiveness.

    You must also give forgiveness to all who ask it of you.

    If you can’t forgive, you are not going to understand being forgiven…thus doubt you are forgiven by God of your sins.

    Very saddly there are also thoes among us who *like* their paticular sin, and won’t give it up. Their *secret* sin, keeps them a slave to it.

    Only through the life changing power of Christ can a person be born again into a new spirit that, no longer desires to be bound to even that one thing that makes them feel…unforgiven.

    If the guilt of that one sin is still eatting at you and causing you to seek forgiveness, perhaps God is using it to keep you seeking Him and remaining close to Him…If that is the case, thank God for feeling guilty. This means your heart is in the right place.

    Steve

  21. BruceC says:

    ballinbc,

    Just recently in the last few months we left a church that was as you described. In fact over the last 33 years we have attended several chuches that were small, cliqish, and the clique tended to look down on those who were not part of the “in” crowd. We now attend a church in small city nearby that can get up to 350 people on a Sunday morning. It’s almost a mega-church compared tp what we were used to. Nice to be where everyone doesn’t know everyone else’s business and details; but still offer a good Christian atmosphere.

    BruceC

  22. tha.khoza says:

    “Could hating ourselves for what we have done be a self-defeating way of loving ourselves on our own terms– rather than on God’s? Is it even possible that “expecting too much of ourselves” isn’t the broken humility that leads to real forgiveness– but rather a wounded pride that is keeping us from looking into the eyes of the One who has died for us?” – this point hit me hard. from now on i’ll try my best to love myself on God’s terms not my own.
    slml – please dont hold on to past mistakes. yes, every decision has consequences and the consequences can be pretty awful. but you know what? what Jesus did on the cross is way bigger than our mistakes and their subsequent effects. romans says that all things work for the good to those who are his.

  23. InHisHands says:

    Good morning all;

    For me, a study of I John 1:9 has been instrumental in helping me to remember that my position in Christ is a forgiven child of God. That He forgave past, present and future sin – yet, I have a responsibility to agree with Him when I am wrong and sinning and ask for forgiveness, and He WILL forgive. I have come to the realization that when God has forgiven, it is presumptuous of me to continue to cling to the guilt and I need to remember to do as Phil. 4:8 tell me and keep my mind on those things that honor God.

    I agree that we often mistaken guilt for regret – consequences for those past sins are often glaringly hard to face, but can become blessings if we have been brought to a closer walk with JESUS, through them. Paul reminds us that we need to “LEARN” to be content in all things, so giving the feelings we have over consequences of our past is a step to learning to be content (even with the consequences).

  24. kball57 says:

    All comments are taken as a reminder of just how much I need the body to stay in line with Christ and His Word.Thank you all!

  25. poohpity says:

    I think that Paul’s example of telling us all his wrongs is so vital. He did not elevate himself above any others but boosted in his own weakness because it would be Christ that we see in him. We see that although he fell short it did not keep him from continuing in the Lord’s work. He understood that we are not able to keep all the commandments that God had a different plan for salvation. So if our eyes are on beating yourself up over the wrong we do then they certainly aren’t on Jesus.

  26. Loretta Beavis says:

    Lingering self-contempt … self-condemnation prolonging my sin …

    I got more light this week from John 8 “The woman caught in adultery”
    If you’re a guy, just replace ‘woman’ with ‘man’ or ‘person’

    There’s more than one Jesus/Holy Spirit move in that event. All us sinners, with sin that shows and is sin that is hidden; but all with sin that is sin. Sin is not rated on a scale of one to ten.

    God forgave the accusers and the condemned. He told the accusers, if you are God (sinless), go for it. They stopped by the conviction of their consciences (God’s Holy Spirit in action) He told the condemned; stop. (By mercy and grace we can ‘stop’ … not on our own power, but by His Spirit).

    I’ve spent a lifetime beating myself up. It’s a trap Satan sets for us. I remember the sinful things I’ve done, who I’ve hurt. I’ve forgiven and asked for forgiveness of who I can. But lately, I understand that I’ll never ‘stop’ my sin til I enter Eternity with Jesus. In the meantime, my accusers and condemners, I just love them anyway; something I couldn’t do before, and I only do now because of the Holy Spirit. God takes care of the rest of the details.

    I also used to not relate to God, especially go to worship/church, because I kept trying to clean myself up. My ‘life verse’ since 2006 is James 4:8.

    I hope I got my point across-the more I beat myself up, whether I’m an accuser or
    or a condemner, the longer I prolong my sin:

    The scribes and Pharisees brought a person ‘caught’ in sin…a trap was set really, for two people. One in the trap of adultery, the other either fornication or adultery. So really, two were trapped (so like Satan, eh?) But only one sinner ‘on record’ Ch7:51 ‘Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?’

    (Contrast what Nicodemus said with what Jesus now says (the sermon on the mount-new covenant) Matthew 5:28 “But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”)

    Any way, 8:7 says they ‘continued asking him’ and he didn’t do anything ‘as though He did not hear.’ …Jesus then cuts to the heart….

    8:9 said to those who heard it (the sinless to cast the first stone) ‘being convicted by their conscience went out one by one’ 8:10 ‘…where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” 8:11 ‘…Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.’
    (Taken from the NKJ version)

    I hope also, readers not familiar with these verses will read the entire chapters, I just wanted to show the ‘big picture’ and not loose interest.

    God certainly has my attention. If I keep hitting my head against the wall, I prolong my sin. And, gosh, have I been am am still, hard-headed.

    I love my Jesus, ’cause He first loved me.
    Lor

  27. jimgroberts says:

    Thanks Mart for triggering us introspection yet again.
    I like the comment of InHisHands. However we have to be careful with contentment. We all need to grow and mature and as Paul puts it beat our flesh and run the race. Jesus does call us to perfection and with God ALL things are possible. But I constantly remind myself:-
    I am not what I ought to be;
    I am not what I wish to be;
    But by the grace of God;
    I am not what I used to be.

  28. davids says:

    Ocassionally I remember some terrible thing I have done in the past, and feel the pangs of remorse. It helps me remember the pain of sin, and helps me to reconnect with the feelings that all people have about guilt.

    On a day-to-day basis, I often realize how my impatience, unkindness, and intolerance hurts people around me. This incites me to repent and pray again for the forgiveness that I know that has already been given through Jesus.

    Even though I know that what Jesus did for me has washed away my sin, as others have pointed out, these feelings are not from the devil. They help me to remain humble.

  29. Mikek says:

    I am struggling with this very thing, in a most terrible way. I often cannot make sense of the things that have happened to me and recapture the joy I once knew. It seems so far away. I do not want to have a self-induced pity party nor do I want anyone to feel sorry for me. I have been away from where I once was in terms of fellowship with God. The church where I was once a member condemned me for heresy in 2001 for not believing the KJV to be perfect. Most churches here in southern WV are KJV fundamentalist types. I teach free grace, most churches are Lordship types. I wallowed in my misery and sometimes used what happened to me to make a a “martyr” of sorts. My son was diagnosed with Autism and mild mental retardation last May.

    I want to come back to God but I don’t know how. As I pen this I am looking at a BA in Bib Studies, A ThM, a ThD and a PhD and I now struggle to remember a simple verse of the scripture.

  30. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Just been reading through the comments and have come to the conclusion that “we are perfect even as He is perfect”
    Let’s give up on ourselves and consentrate on Him!

    Bob :-)

  31. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Mikek,
    your comment came in as I was typing.
    I have no instant answer for you, there is a guy on here called steve (SFDBWV)he also comes from west virginia.
    He often mentions the “purity” of the king james version.
    It must be a WV thing.
    We all have doubts about God’s word, just relax, know yourself and let God into your life.
    He will never take control but allows us to give ourselves over to Him, little by little, just as Joshua etc. took the promised land.

    Bob

  32. marma says:

    jimgroberts: I like your saying. A good reminder for all of us who are following Jesus.

    Started reading your long version, Mart. I really appreciate it. Very much a keeper and worth repeating.

  33. poohpity says:

    Mikek, Just ask Him to restore you back to fellowship with Him. It seems so simple but that is all it takes. You might click on the link that Mart gave in his post.

    Bob, Amen to “we are perfect even as He is perfect” because He lives in us and through us.

  34. foreverblessed says:

    Mikek, sorry to hear your story, but it resounds with what happened to me, 15 years ago.
    If you want to come back to God, do not wait for a bible or bible course: Just start calling to God in prayer, and do not stop, keep on praying!
    Pslam 4:1
    Answer me when I call to you, O my righteous God. Give me relief from my distress; be merciful to me and hear my prayer.
    v3 Know that the LORD has set apart the godly for himself; the LORD will hear when I call to him.
    Psalm 18:6
    In my distress I called to the LORD; I cried to my God for help. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came before him, into his ears.

    So keep on calling.
    DO not worry not remembering scripture, open these bible verses and pray them out loud to God.
    I will pray for you too!

  35. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Amen my friend,
    I am so glad we live in the same time zone (Europe)
    I get a bit lonely here in the mornng especialy on my day off.
    mikek, you have a friend both in Jesus and me!

    Bob X

  36. SFDBWV says:

    I don’t have to beat myself up, I’ve got plenty of people ready to do that for me…:)

    Mikek, church won’t save you nor will will a bible. Your comfort and peace will only come from your personal relationship with Christ.

    As has been said here, only two ways to connect to God, through prayer and praise.

    Listen to praise music and talk to God all day, out loud, to yourself, in your special place…However you want, just keep it up.

    Where people will let you down, Jesus will not.

    Bubbles is not far from you, I am way up north on the North Branch of the Potomac River. Hello neighbor.

    Steve

  37. pegramsdell says:

    Mikek, have been there before too. I didn’t think I could ever come back from where I allowed myself to go. Didn’t think God would ever forgive me and welcome me back. But…He did, and He said…”remember your first love…when you first were born again”.

    Ask Me back.

    John 3:16….for God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son so that everyone who believes in Him will not persh but have eternal life.

    love you, Peg

  38. SFDBWV says:

    As is Mart’s talent, he always causes me to think about his topic.

    It seems to me that we never really stop being self critical. I think we all look at ways to improve ourselves. This comes from a healthy self examination.

    It is only when we allow ourselves to overly obsess , that we border on neurotic behavior.

    I also can’t think of a time when I remember some embarassing moment of my life that still doesn’t cause me to feel embarassed or wish I could have not said or done the thing that brings the matter to mind. Forgiven or not.

    I suppose the only comfort I can really have is the comfort that Christ knows my sin and forgives it.

    I will remember all my past mistakes and hopefuly learn from them and never repeat them.

    Not so much beating myself up as it is looking at my scars.

    Steve

  39. poohpity says:

    Disagreeing is not beating another up. Allowing different insight helps each other grow.

    Proverbs 28:13 A man who refuses to admit his mistakes can never be successful. But if he confesses and forsakes them, he gets another chance. So beating one’s self up helps us stay stuck and stunts growth.

  40. SFDBWV says:

    Strife: The act of striving or vying with another; contention or competition. 2. The act or state of fighting or quarreling, especialy bitterly; struggle; conflict. 3. Strong endeavor Syn. Discord.

    Proverbs 15:18 “A wrathful man stirreth up strife.”
    16;28 “A foreward man soweth strive.”

    Romans 13:13 ” Let us walk honestly, as in the day, not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envy.

    1 Cor 3:3 For you are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying and strife. and division…”

    Most people here do not attend church or an organized service because someone is guilty of stirring up strife and division and has caused them to leave the assembly.

    Better to say nothing than to cause hurt and harm against other believers. Saddly though thoes who are guilty of such have no idea of their guilt, because they think always that what they say is always…right.

    Have a nice day, I won’t be back until tomorrow.

    Steve

  41. Mikek says:

    Thanks for your efforts folks.

    The issue isn’t whether or not God will take me back, He has forgiven me eternally and forever, I am the one who left. Christians here abandoned me, close friends, brothers and sisters in the faith. They were all I had. I have never heard from my mother the words, I love you, but at one time brothers and sisters in Christ used to say that. Not any more. it is just my wife and me along with my sons. Other believers are afraid of me.

    I am a loose cannon of sorts. Angry, weilding the word like a sword in the worst sense of the word. No one will have me as a member, even with my education. I am unfit as I am now. But I wasn’t always so.

    My son’s diagnosis was the proverbial cherry on top. perhaps I can forgive myself one day soon, and I suppose I will have to live with others not forgiving me, that’s ok too.

  42. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Oh Mikek,
    I am sat here this morning with my laptop in bed with me, 8am and having to go to work soon.
    I drank too much on my day off yesterday and now wonder where the rent money will come from at the end of the month. I didn’t get drunk, just spent too much money out with my village friends and feel guilty about it when God provides me with so much.(Beating myself up!)
    At the moment I work Sundays on a boating lake, soon to stop in October when the cold weather comes, but I long to be at church in my little Barn fellowship out in the fields. My sexuality is gay and although I follow God’s word and have nothing to do with gay sex, I still get the feeling sometimes from other church members that they think I should not use the term gay.
    As they say “I am who I am” which, funny enough, is also the name of God.
    Like I said before, just be yourself and submit to God’s will and He will do the rest. Restoring you back into fellowship with Him and His people.
    I am a loner to and sometime wish I was married with children. You have a wife and lovely boys, something I can never have. God has blessed you beyond messure, trust Him.

    Bob

  43. SFDBWV says:

    Mikek, There are many people here on this blog whoes children are either dead, crippled, in jsil, on drugs or worse.

    All of them at some point in their journey have blamed themselves for the condition of their children, and felt or still feel it not only their fault, but their responsibility to fix everything.

    I don’t know the paticular event that has led you to the place you are with yourself and God. However I know that He is there with His hand held out to you.

    It is my prayer and hope for you that you accept God’s offer of peace and come to terms with youraelf, inso doing have the peace that surpasses understanding.

    Steve

  44. SFDBWV says:

    Cold morning here, foggy and 38 degrees F. Odd mix of deer came in to eat, two bucks one doe and two spotted fawns.

    Kind of like our mix here on the blog.

    Goodmorning from the mountains of West Virginia…

    Steve

  45. InHisHands says:

    Good morning Steve;

    It is SUNNDY, dry and about 65 degrees (supposed to get up to 107 today F that is.)

    Mikek – I have been taught and come to believe for myself that the KJV is the best version, handed down for so many years and so thoroughly researched to be the closest to the original texts. However, that does not mean that I have not used other versions and study guides to get a clearer understanding of the WORD. In our church it is agreed we will use KJV for congregational use so that all are reading the Word from the same perspective and memorizing from the same book, so as not to create chaos of having different versions being recited at the same time (we read a portion aloud each week). Granted, I do not know what the situation is that you are in, and I know that communities are smaller in that area of the Bible Belt, but don’t let others OPINIONS get you down.

    I have learned not the wrest the WORD of God – if someone I am talking to agrees to the Gospel of God’s Word as I do, we are bretheren and I am commanded to love the bretheren.

    Ok, lost my train of thought. Get derailed so easily these days. I am one of those that Steve referred to, with sons who have chosen their own path (even to being jailed), and I have wondered often “what could I have done differently to keep them from those choices.” But God, (I love those words) has shown me that they were given the tools to choose wisely and I am not responsible for the choices they have made. There is regret in my heart for them and much prayer- but I do not carry guilt for their decisions.

    God does not promise that we will attain perfection, this side of Heaven – so when I fail, and I know I will fail, I return to I John 1:9 and seek to keep my fellowship with Him and any I have offended on the right track.

    May all have a blessed day in the LORD!!!!!

  46. InHisHands says:

    ok, that was supposed to be SUNNY!!! LOL

  47. tandgmartin says:

    Thanks, Mart. Very timely and appropriate.

  48. dja says:

    Thank you, Mart. After reading your link, I copied it and sent it to a young man (age 28) who is struggling so with his past life, especially the last 10 years. This young man was a student of mine 21 years ago and has had a very difficult life, some of which is his own doing but some because of others. He has come back to the Lord, but each time I visit with him, he goes over his past, which is so painful for him. I have given him the verses that tell about “as far as the east is from the west” and how the Lord casts our sins into the sea, and I know he believes that, but he still struggles. I am praying that as he reads what you have written, the Lord will speak to his heart and he will have that peace within that can only come from the Lord.
    ~Della

  49. afranz says:

    Thank you for your post this morning, InHisHands, it was a blessing for me today.
    Bob in Cornwall, hope something turns up in the job dept. after boating season. Enjoy your posts. I was reading a lot of British mysteries last month and thought of you during the boating scenes in Cornwall.
    Many times some everyday happening will remind me of a post from this site, and I will send up a textprayer to the Father. Thank goodness He has Unlimited Instant Messaging!
    Thank you Mart for your message, it helps! My favorite part: “By contrast, every day lived in the freedom of forgiveness is a day spent praising God. Every hour lived in gratitude for forgiveness is a day spent loving others on God’s behalf. “

  50. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    Hope all is well in your lives.
    I had a pretty busy day today, and thought about you all while I was getting ready for choir rehearsal, running errands and doing chores. Want to form a habit of praying for you all when you come to mind like that. As usual, I’ve enjoyed reading all of the comments in this blog, and I’ve been blessed by them.

    Steve – You said, “I also can’t think of a time when I remember some embarassing moment of my life that still doesn’t cause me to feel embarassed or wish I could have not said or done the thing that brings the matter to mind. Forgiven or not.”

    I’ve experienced that in my life too. It causes me to be very grateful to God for wisdom, maturity, mercy and grace! It was sunny and hot in Texas today. Don’t know what the temp was, but it was hot enough for sandals.

    Blessings,

  51. kennyj981 says:

    Self pity and guilt are breeding grounds for the iron yoke of sin. This bondage continues when we continually beat ourselves up. We must remember: when the Son has set us free, we are free indeed!

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