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Confession by Billboard

Billboard of CNN Story

What’s going on when a church puts up a large billboard publicly acknowledging itself to be among those who have been acting like jerks?

A friend sent me a link to a CNN interview about a Texas billboard that “shouts out” to passing traffic “What a Bunch of Jerks“. The billboard is accompanied by an internet web address for the church’s  open letter of confession.

For a couple of reasons, I found the story especially interesting.  I’d been thinking about a New Testament letter written by the Apostle Paul– that seemed to me to be just as edgy, and open to the public as this Texas billboard.

After listening to the CNN interview, I felt even more motivated to understand what the Apostle Paul had in mind when he wrote to a group of Jesus’ followers saying that he felt like a woman in labor as he waited for Christ to be formed in them  (Gal 4:19 NLT).

Paul’s letter to the Galatians makes it clear that he  believed something was very wrong with the church members he was writing to. He said in several different ways that, even though his readers wanted to be known as followers of Christ, they were thinking and acting in ways that were hurting one another, and giving others reason to stay away.

So what was Paul seeing that caused him so much pain and led him to the conclusion that others probably were no longer seeing Christ in his readers?

In short, the Galatians had forgotten how to reflect the life of Christ. In the process they had become a bunch of bad actors, hypocrites, legalists, and critics—rather than a people who reflected the life and help of Christ among one another and to their world.

Their mistake was to think that because Jewish moral and civil laws were so good, followers of Christ could not go forward by leaving behind Jewish laws of circumcision and kosher.

But as Paul knew so well, as good as the moral, civil, and ceremonial laws of God were, attempts to comply with those laws could never change someone from the inside out (Gal 2:19-21).

Relying on the law rather than on Christ to love others through them– had caused the Galatians to be acting like “Kosher police”. In the process they not only lost their sense of mission to the gentiles but , in the process, became  critical, judgmental and dangerous to one another (Gal 5:14-15).

Christ-likeness of heart requires relying on him to live his life in us—by the Spirit he gives to those who believe in him.

In today’s terms, the Texas billboard could have been the Galatians confession…even while Paul felt like a woman in labor waiting for Christ to be formed in his “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control”  (Gal 5:22-23).


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Most all of the Christian people I know or have known fall into the category of being opinionated.

    This personal connection to Jesus Christ, makes our brand of religion unique. Too easy it is, to think sometimes we are doing the will of God, because Christ gives us the *freedom* to think, not clear rules to adhere to. Other than *Love your neighbor as yourself.*

    Immediately, just like in the Garden where Eve added to what God said, we tend to add to that simple statement.

    So that even when someone criticizes another for any reason, they say things like “I do this in the name of *love*.”

    Whether attempted to sound soft, it is still criticizm and still causes hurt and hard feelings.

    We all can retell stories of how church people has hurt our feelings to the point where we no longer go to church, and have retreated to the more comfortable surrounding of being alone with God, in our own environment….forsaking the fellowship of others.

    All a casulty of churches being *Jerks* and many self confessed Christians being hypocrites in their outward behavior.

    Because we have misplaced our faith, rather than placing it on Christ we, expect too much of others.

    I want to simply help others, encourage others, not correct others.

    Steve

    PS: This is the first day since Thursday that I have been able to get on the blog, I hope it is fixed now. I still had to go through a side door in orer to get to be able to do this.

  2. poohpity says:

    I have to say, Mart, I can see myself in your topic. In my passion to follow the rules of the comment guidelines and not taking scripture out of context I have failed to understand it is not my job to get people to read the bible. It is a desire that God puts into our hearts. I am so thankful for those that have called my attention to it and with a contrite heart I have accepted their feedback. I have even asked for feedback from others through emails how could I change in the way that I post things. Their replies were very kind but I really wanted to know the truth so that I could change.

    I have not learned the art of communicating on the internet to display my love without it sounding to hard. I enjoy hearing truth and correction because I want to grow and be able to communicate effectively. I do not want to seem legalistic but obviously I do at times. I offer my heart felt apology if I have caused harm to anyone and pushed them away from getting to know the Grace that our Savior offers. Please forgive me.

  3. poohpity says:

    I wanted to let everyone know if you go up under the Pages part (upper left) to log in it will let you right in rather than going through all the other parts.

  4. dust says:

    I want to say poohpity that having a heart open to correction is a wonderful gift that Jesus has giving you. I too, desire to be corrected and I find a grateful heart growing out of being open to correction. Many blessings

  5. davids says:

    Poohpity, thanks for the login tip. I have enjoyed many of your posts and found them helpful, and I pray for you and your daughter.

    Before I go on, I’ll say, “Guilty”. As I mentioned before my experiences at a large Baptist university turned me away from Christianity for many years. It was only God’s amazing grace that brought me back, and despite that I still catch myself preaching the do’s and don’t’s once in a while.

  6. davids says:

    I would like to relate a conversation I had that relates to this topic. I know that many Christian Americans view Europeans as cultural elitists and religious blasphemers.

    Today I was talking with a local woman that cleans houses for a living. This is the normal working person that makes up most of the population here just as it does everywhere.

    Her daughter was going through a hard time, so she stopped by the large Catholic church in the center of town and lit a candle. This was her form of prayer – the only one she knows.

    She told me that she would never go to service, because afterward you only hear people saying, “Did you see what she was wearing” or “He was with her, and his wife only three years dead”.

    You see, she believes in God, and wants to call upon Him. But the only church in town is to her a place of ungrace, run and populated by people that care nothing about her or God’s will.

    I am trying to make two points. First, we should not be smug about the state of the faith in Europe. Many people here are thirsty for the living water. They need our prayers, not our judgement.

    Second, we in the Protestant churches risk going down this same path if our focus is not kept squarely on sharing the good news. Many have already fallen into the trap of preaching the law and drawing lines.

  7. poohpity says:

    Today as I pulled into a convenience store a man saw the signs on my car and asked “Do I read the bible?”. My reply was yes. He then went on to ask “what do i think about this whole gay thing?”. I asked him what he meant by that. He went on to tell me his thoughts about it which my reply to him was that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God and because of the sin in my life I can not judge the sin in an others life without falling prey to feeling superior. I told him that I understand who I am compared to Christ and I have a lot of room for growth. As he continued to talk you could hear and see the hatred coming out of his replies. I told him that Jesus came to help sinners and any sinner is welcome into his church he told me they should not be allowed in the church. I asked him if they allowed him into the church.

    He then continued by asking if I remember the story of the whore that Jesus talked to and at that I turned and walked away saying those without sin should cast the first stone. The anger and hatred of people who call themselves by the name of Christ towards people who sin are actually talking to themselves with their bigoted philosophies. I believe we are to be an example to those around us that Jesus went to dine with sinners not those who considered themselves righteous because he knew that those who know they needed a savior were not so quick to look at others but at their own issues.

  8. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Deb, I have been on the other end of the bigoted attitude towards gays and that is why most gay and lesbian christians have their own “Rainbow” churches that are inclusive to all who want to know Jesus and need help.

    As for the Billboard, that has been my opinion for years,
    especialy of US christians, but I expect, as Davids said, you see us in Europe as Jerks to.

    Bob

  9. SFDBWV says:

    Deborah, Thanx for the tip on how to get here. Nothing else was working…

    As to our topic and the thread of conversation…

    We look to the Cross and to Christ for forgiveness as well as direction for our lives.

    Many years ago a little known Country singer named Jeanie Seally (Spelling may be wrong) wrote a song called “The Harpper Valley PTA”

    She called attention to the hypocracy in every area of this community including the PTA.

    As children we learn real quick, the lessons of the worly wisdom of “Do as I say, not as I do.”

    God knows these things about people, He knows our strengths as well as our weaknesses. Even though we are united with Christ, we are not Christ. Therefore we will forever be in need of His grace and forgiveness.

    Christ came for the sinner, the weak, the needy, the least among us….He came for people like me.

    Though I work hard at being a better human being and in my eyes may seem to be, I am still lost with out Christ, It is all about Christ being needed and trusted upon.

    How I conduct my life though ultimitly is my responsibility. I can not blame it on my parents mistakes nor on teachers at school, nor on others who have hurt me or used me….No, I must learn from them and learn to not be like such people but rather follow after the example set by Jesus.

    Always knowing I will never be able to achieve such a goal but always striving toward it.

    With Love as my action toward all, I must even forgive the Jerks that fill the pews, remembering there are also a great many good people in those pews as well.

    Remembering what a dark and ugly world it would be without Christian churches, and how just like any one else they can stumble and fall at times.

    Steve

  10. SFDBWV says:

    Davids, Your comments about going to a large Baptist college reminded me of a comment I once heard from Billy Graham.

    He said if he had believed everything he was taught in seminary school, he would never been an evangelist nor had the life he had lived.

    It was his personal relationship and commitment to Christ that brought about the life he had.

    The fact is, the only experiance I have had concerning European Christianity, is here in this blog with the few who have come to be friends of mine.

    One of the lessons I learned early in life, was to *judge* people one person at a time. Not to judge people as a group.

    A group can also be a mob, and for some reason mobs take on a personality of their own…usualy ugly.

    Nope, one day at a time, one person at a time, a new book a blank page…Christ has my back.

    29 degrees f here this morning, plenty of frost. I hope whatever technicaly is going on with the blog gets settled soon, I fear it may keep people away.

    Steve

  11. Regina says:

    Good Morning All
    Hope all is well with you today!
    Mart, Learned a lot from your comment [10-13/1:57 pm] It was easy to understand Israel’s plight. Also found your analogy between the “Camp Hope” in the news and our “Camp Hope” as Christians to be very enlightening and insightful.
    Awesome comment, davids [10-13/4:21 pm]. I’ve learned so much about the prophecy surrounding Israel and the current situation there from the bloggers on this blog site!
    Awesome comment and analogy, BruceC. [Camp Hope 10-14/8:29 am]
    foreverblessed, Thank you for your encouragement and prayers [10-15/4:12 am]! Thinking about a verse in Psalms [34:19]…”Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all” (NKJV).
    Steve said, “…but had decided to err on the side of love… For if I pray amiss concerning the matter what harm can it do?” *Love* that statement! Your entire comment was *very* insightful and enlightening.
    Awesome comment, Bob [10-15/8:48 am]!
    bubbles, I will miss your comments/thoughts too, and like Bob, was wondering why you’re leaving?
    saled, so sorry for the loss of your canine friend, Rockette.

    Blessings,

  12. Regina says:

    Haven’t read Mart’s intro comment ,or the other comments, on the current blog topic yet. Will read the intro comment now.

  13. SFDBWV says:

    Sometimes Matthew will ask me, what is a Baptist? What is a Catholic? What are, whatever he has heard that doesn’t make sense to him.

    I find my answer very telling…Well son they are all Christians but of different beliefs.

    He then asks what is different?

    I then find myself looking at the whole picture. Knowing that there are many books, much evidence, and plenty of misinformation out there to help explain to the world why there are many Christian churches.

    But none of them truly explain why we are not *One* Christian Church.

    With the exception of people.People who used the church for power, for control, even to obtain wealth.

    It is people who fractured the Church into churches.

    2000 years of experiance, but what have we learned? How have we gotten better? Have we?

    The answer is actualy found to have been written 2000 thousand years ago. Christ Himself spoke to John and he wrote the book of Revelation…Chapter 2 and 3 dedicated to telling the churches what they do right and what they do wrong.

    I don’t know about you but the part where Jesus say’s to the church of Laodicea “I will spue thee out of my mouth.” Scares me and very clearly gets my attention.

    Yet how soothing His words that follow “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come and sup with him, and he with me.”

    Non christians easily see we Christians as hypocrites. Talking of loving one another yet fractured up because we don’t agree with other Christians, even to the extend of war against each other, Christian killing Christian over who is right and who is not.

    Since I understand that Christ is the head of our Church. Then who is the head of all the different churches?

    I am afraid sometimes that answer may not be Christ.

    Steve

  14. pegramsdell says:

    yesssss finally got on.
    about the billboard: the bible does say that we are a peculiar people. :)

  15. rokdude5 says:

    Yes, we can be and no doubt, will be jerks when we become judgmental of others. This reminds me of what happened in Mark 12:28-34 where a scribe questioned Jesus which is the greatest Commandment.

    The scribe correctly answered whats written in Deut 6:4-5 plus stated “to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

    Jesus acknownledged the scribe by saying “…youre not far from the Kingdom of God.”

    You all heard this one before but it should be raised again and again, “who is our neighbor”? Obviously the word “neighbors” includes ALL those who we could easily despise.
    Blessings, “RJ”
    PS Steve, your points remind me of what Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17:20-21

  16. poohpity says:

    I thought it refreshing to see that that church looked within, at their own behavior not reflecting the fruit of the Spirit that is displayed in an individual by remaining close to Christ. It sort of reminded me of the dust we experience in Arizona. Everyday we receive a coating of it on the furniture. Some people close the blinds so you can’t see it, some people try and close up everything so it won’t get in but it still does, some others allow it to pile up, some try and explain why we have it, some dust everyday and some go over to other peoples houses and try to help them dust or talk about how much more they have compared to their own. I thought about it with regard to our own sinfulness. I for one tend to let it pile up so I can write my name in it or draw pictures, lol.

    It all comes down to that we all have it and what a person chooses to do with it may be a reflection of how we understand and treat others. It would be nice to have an established church where people felt accepted, comfortable and loved even with all their dust. If we could all work together in spite of our dust to look to the needs of others that we CAN do something about and leave the dust to God. It is God who dusts us and presents us to Himself dust free meanwhile we could be giving water to the thirsty, food to the hungry, telling about the One who can remove the dust, clothing the naked and housing the homeless. Just some thoughts. :-)

  17. mruppert says:

    I wonder if that “bunch of jerks” they’re referring to is in Washington, DC as in the federal gov’t.

  18. marian shaw says:

    There is too much attention to ritual in the church today. The burning quesstion today is – do the words spoken at the Last Supper translate accurately from the Latin? “This is my blood.. it will be shed for ALL was the previous way of saying it.” Church wants to change it to “This is my blood, it will be shed for MANY” – thinking that “pro multi” was the original writing, and should be literally translated that way. As I see it, the New Testament was originally written in Greek, not Latin; Christ died for everyone, and not “many.” Christianity was not even a separate religion at the time of the Last Supper. Such attention to detail may end up by excluding people.

  19. poohpity says:

    mruppert, I guess if we look to the government to be our God.

  20. grandmajoan41 says:

    I loved the quote from Paul’s Letter to the Galations: “Understand what the Apostle Paul had in mind when he wrote to a group of Jesus’ followers saying that he felt like a woman in labor as he waited for Christ to be formed in them (Gal 4:19 NLT). Bravo to the Texas Church for their unorthodox billboard…”What a bunch of jerks!”
    I love it. Grandmajoan41

  21. jfmiz says:

    There are billboard quite similar to this on US23 and I94 near Detroit. Sure makes you wonder who and the website to go to is not a church name but is sponsored by a megachurch in the area. John

  22. xrgarza says:

    Please excuse my ignorance, it’s a great message but to whom is he addressing?

    If he is referring to his congregation, is it right to publicly shame and embarrassed them?

    Is this a wake up call for them perhaps?

    Or is he being rhetorical in soliciting for more jerks to join his congregation?

    Be nice to me, I’m being sincere I really am curious I’m not always as smart as I appear. :)

    Rocky

  23. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks for your dust analogy Deb, it seems very apt for this topic.
    In Jesus time you washed the feet of your guest to wash off the dust so as to make the whole body clean.
    The daily washing from sin we should all be doing when we confess our sins and ask for forgivness with God.
    As you said we are all dusty people and even though our Father in heaven does not see it, we all too often see the dust on others forgeting we are also covered.
    I tend to stick on my own and do not attend church often and find it better to be with people who do not portend to be anything else but dust.

    Bob

  24. poohpity says:

    Rocky you will have to go to the link and find out. :-)

  25. xrgarza says:

    Deb, Why didn’t I think of that? Oh yeah don’t tell me. :)

  26. Hisgirl4life says:

    Thank you for the tip to log in Deb!

    Just the other day, someone reminded me about one of the letters to the churches as written in the book of Revelation. It was one of a life of faith and encouragement to others. I also recall many of those letters in Revelation rebuke various churches in the days of Jesus for their hypocracy, legalistic attitudes and judgement of others. It still remains problematic today in our times.

    Yes, we all fall short of what Christ calls us to be. Unfortunately, I’ve endured many of these particular churches in my life…where grace and love are preached from the pulpit (when it is as some of you have shared in your words) cruel judgement and words like spears are replaced in their place. How sad it is when those who dearly love Christ, and even those who don’t, feel abandoned, unloved and uncared for within the church. Truly, that is the place we should most feel acceptance and love.

    Perhaps ignorance and indifference fuels the flame of hatred and discord within our churches today, but it is the love of Jesus’ precious spirit living within us that will cause us to love others and see others as He sees them…all with potential…all with purpose.

    If I missed the message, I’m sorry. I didn’t chose to check out the website. Too often, like Steve mentioned, it has been my experience that Christians are far too opinionated and legalistic to affect change in others. Yes, Deb, I agree…it is only God that can change individuals. What does that say to a watching world when so many Christians demand all agree with them, argue about which denominations is best and correct policies to follow, and often forget to put into practice what the Bible clearly asks of each of us.

    Recently, I reread Romans chapter 12. It gives such great wisdom on what God desires of us. I pray the church, will open their eyes to the poor, their ears to the cries of the broken, their hands to the hopeless and just start… with one at a time. We can all grumble about wishing someone would do something until we realize that we are each someone.

    Dear Jesus, forgive me. Forgive us. Teach us to love. Fill us up with you. Less self. More you. Let us start today, Lord…whoever you place on my path…make me an instrument of your love and grace.

    Thank you all for your honesty; and for allowing each of us to express ourselves honestly also. May the name of Jesus be greatly praised and glorified and His fame reach every corner of the world.

  27. Regina says:

    Good Evening All
    This is a very thought-provoking blog topic, Mart. Enjoyed reading your intro comment.
    Your comment, “Relying on the law rather than on Christ to love others through them– had caused the Galatians to be acting like “Kosher police.”

    Brought to mind the fact that *love* was the missing ingredient that caused the white settlers to mistreat Native Americans (they were forceably removed from their land and robbed of their culture), the white Europeans to mistreat Africans (they were forceably brought to another country to be used as chattel; hated because of their race), the Nazi’s to mistreat Jews (they were vilified because of their race, culture, beliefs and wealth), etc.

    Was thinking that certain groups of people have been *policing* others since the beginning of time (as we know it), and they had no shame or remorse because they didn’t/don’t know God. Since the days of Cain and Abel, love for God and love for one’s neighbor has been the missing ingredient. Some Bible verses came to mind… Hosea 4:6 NIV … “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” Luke 10:27 NKJV … “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, *and your neighbor as yourself.*”

    Blessings,

    First initial thoughts…

    Temp was mid 80’s in Texas yesterday (it’s now 12:04 am, Thursday morning).

    Blessings,

  28. Regina says:

    Thought the church (in Texas) chose an interesting and thought-provoking way to get their message out.

  29. foreverblessed says:

    Finally, I got in, phhhh
    Have been reading the posts, but could not react.
    How it must feel to have a locked-in-syndrome:
    You can hear everybody around you, but you cannot react.
    Even the hint of Pooh didn’t work. It brought me back to that WordPress page.
    (was even thinking of signing in new, changing my username, maybe even via Twitter.)

    The message of the Christ Covenant church, that you can listen to if you click on:
    the letter of confession
    is a real good message:
    Practice what Jesus preached: unselfishly serving others (because we are dearly loved by the One who made us, we are secure in Him, we do not need others to feel secure, we can serve others to be the same as Jesus was here on earth)
    Chnge it around:
    If you do not practice it yourself, do not preach it!
    Great stuff.
    Makes me think what I write here, and what I do in life.
    Often I encourage others to go back to the Source of our lifes: that is Jesus, no matter what the circumstances.
    Look to Him, and wait for Him.
    That’s what I discipline myself to do. If I get tense about things not going as I would like: go back to find the rest in Him, so I can hear what He says to me.

    And I agree with Davids, here in Europe are many believing people, but totally fed up with churches. And this church in Texas has a great point about churches.

  30. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Seems strange that Europe, the home of christianity that used to be called chrisendom, shows the least interest in God, Jesus and revival that is happening elsewhere in the world.
    I was with Jean Darnell after she had her prophesy about rivers of fire sweeping down from Scotland and out across the whole of Europe.
    That was forty years ago now, maybe the time for a change and an awakening here is at hand.

    Bob

  31. SFDBWV says:

    I am happy to see you finally have been able to get on foreverblessed. This experiance this past week is as you said very frustrating…I guess we are all adicted to this place…together.

    As I said earlier, I know nothing of European Christianity other than what I read of here. From you folks who live there.

    It is odd, and tells you all how niave I am about the world. I never thought too much about there being a difference between Christians anywhere. Speaking I mean of the Protestant faiths.

    When I sometimes look at the divisions between the Catholic and the Protestant and why there was such a great divide, I only see ambitious people at the cause.

    People who *seen* things differently than those either in control or not in control.

    Then there is the Eastern Orthodox, which is actualy the oldest Christian church.

    Wasn’t it last year at Easter when there was a fist fight at one of the Holy Shrines there in Jerusalem between these Christian facions?

    I suppose if we want to make a better impression as Christians on an unbelieving or even a disillusioned world, we will have to allow for Christ to be the Head of our faith, and to just do His will instead of ours in such matters.

    Since I am only one person, I would also suppose I can be satisfied doing so one person, one conversation, one day at a time…

    Still dark here in West Virginia, but warmer this morning, 50 f. I guess rain is on its way.

    Steve

  32. foreverblessed says:

    One more thought about this topic:
    This weekend we will have an art exhibition in our town, and I am joining it.
    I had the under-painting all set, a woman sitting in the background and a table with a vase for flowers in the foreground. I had in mind to paint lots of flowers in the vase, lots of color. But whatever I would paint, it was no good, and I had to take most of it off again.
    What was that? I had prayed about it, and asked God to help me.
    Yesterday, I had an unexpected quest, who is an artist herself, she came and had a look at it. She said: it’s allright as it is, the underpainting is OK, it doesn’t need much color.

    I was thrilled, God had answered my prayer!

    Today, while reading the topic again, I was reminded of what Steve wrote the last topic, about Mr Watson, who said: Many things that are OK for others are not OK for you as a christian.
    Much paint is OK for others, but not for me. It is the bare under painting, naked and for all to see what’s under. And that is how I should present myself to the world around me.
    It resembles how I am, washed clean, a new nature, but compared to God, His awesome love, patience, mercy,
    I have just very little.
    So no show off.
    We are all in the same boat, as the Texan preacher says, the believer and the unbeliever, all sinners who are saved through Christ/ can be saved through Christ. We are only one step ahead to the unbeliever.

  33. foreverblessed says:

    Steve and Bob, I didn’t see your posts before writing my last.
    Thanks for welcoming me again, maybe we are a little addicted to this blog?
    I pray that christians will be united in Christ, totally humble, serving others.
    Christ is Xp chi and rho the first two characters in greek for the word: Christ.
    THat was also the sign Constantine saw when fighting his enemies in the 4th century. But what has become of that:
    not a humble and serving crowd of followers of Jesus, but those that would dictate christian norm on others, instead of what Pooh wrote:
    It is a desire that God puts into our hearts of following Him.

  34. wvgirl826 says:

    Hi,
    I just wanted to jump in here and let everyone know how much I enjoy reading this blog and the comments.
    Thanks so much for helping me to understand and for your insights on the different topics.
    God bless, Rhonda

  35. phpatato says:

    Just wanted to say that I am so guilty of being a “jerk”. I am ashamed at what I see when I look in the mirror. Like Deb, I seek correction with my shortcomings so that I can ask forgiveness and to learn and grow. Please forgive me if I have offended anyone. I am praying for Christ’s love to fill me.

    This week though I am filled with immense sorrow. My mom was called home to be with our Lord early Tuesday morning (2 am). I am passing between moments of being comforted knowing that she is now resting in her Saviour’s arms and at being very sad knowing just how much I miss her already. But I know that I could not cope if it weren’t for His hope. The service is being held on Saturday. Please, pray for me and my family……God is so good.

  36. poohpity says:

    Oh Pat, I am so saddened to hear of your loss. It did in one way bring me comfort knowing where my parents went but then just not being here to talk to still brings me so much sorrow and loss. Know that you and your family will be in my prayers for the emotional roller coaster you will be experiencing for the months ahead. I am weeping with you. Know that you are loved. Get as many hugs as you can they help. :-(

  37. Mart De Haan says:

    Pat, yes, you are in our hearts in your loss. Thank you for letting us know.

    On a lesser but frustrating note. I regret the problem so many of you are having to get into the blog. We are working on it here. A recent upgrade of the software left us with the problem.

  38. Hisgirl4life says:

    So sorry that you’ve had to say goodbye to your mother, Pat…lifting you up in prayer. What a blessing it is to know you will be joined together again someday!

    Had the chance to review the video and see the valid points that the pastor makes. Certainly does give all of us things to think upon. Communication is such a complex field. Wherever there are words, there will always be room for misinterpretation and debate. Perhaps the reason for the “edgy” message is to generate more people to receive the “real” message behind the sign.

  39. scout1 says:

    Hello!

    Pat, my thoughts are with you as well. I lost my Mom a year and a half ago. I’ll keep you in my prayers. I try to comfort myself with the thought that she is in my future -so be comforted and hug alot!

    Lynda

  40. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Pat,
    My Dad died 30 years ago and my Mum 20, I still miss them and their words of wisdom.
    Take care!

    Bob xxx

  41. SFDBWV says:

    Pat, my dear friend in Canada, I too am saddened by your sorrow. I can only offer this as I am unable to hold your hand or offer you my shoulder.

    Much love from us to you.

    Steve, Glenna and Matt

  42. SFDBWV says:

    I have a couple questions for any of our friends from Europe. What is it that you see as offensive from what you see as the difference between American Christianity and your own?

    Are your perceptions of American Christianity mostly from the TV evangelist’s broadcast there, or from actual American Christian people you have met or come to know?

    Just want to know how to be less of a jerk.

    Steve

  43. dja says:

    May the Lord hold your heart and bring you the comfort only He can bring, Pat. How blessed you are to know that your Mom was a child of the King, and that you will see her again. I don’t think my parents were believers (unless they cried out to Him before they died),but the Lord has always comforted me in those times of grief, and I know that all that He does is right and good (and even that knowledge and belief is from Him). So I echo what you ended with, Pat. God is so good!
    ~Della

  44. Regina says:

    Good Morning All
    Hope all is well in your lives.
    Haven’t had time to read any of your comments yet, but I will when I have time.
    Off topic here…
    Attending a women’s conference today (last night was my first time in attendance-it began yesterday morning/afternoon). It was PHENOMENAL to worship and praise God with thousands women from all over the world! God can and will do anything for his children in that type of atmosphere! Just dropped by to say hello, and I’ll talk to you soon.

    Blessings,

  45. pegramsdell says:

    Pat you are in my heart today. So sorry for your loss, but rejoicing in our Lord Jesus’ comfort. Will be praying for you and your family. :) Peg

  46. SFDBWV says:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but the log in problem seems tohave shown up again.

    I was able to only log in from the Pages selection upper left corner of this page.

    Steve

  47. davids says:

    Steve,

    I am an American living here for 20 years, and I attend an English-speaking international church. My wife is a native, so I have connections with the local culture.

    I think that most people here will never have met an American Christian. Their opinions are based on how we are depîcted in movies and TV shows, and the occasional news story when someone is caught being a real jerk. I read that The Simpson’s Ned Flanders is the most famous Christian in the US; he’s probably the second best-known Christian in the world, after the Pope.

    It seems to me that Europeans in general are just leery of the Church, which has been a source of so much bloody division over the centuries. Churches often fought the advance of democratic and republican values. The facsists rose to power with the aid of Protestant and Catholic churches. And of course there has been a tsunami of bad news coming out about the Catholic Church across Europe. We would do well to put up a lot of billboards around here.

    What I think the mainland Europeans find odd about American Christianity is the pluralism. In most countries only one or two denominations predominate. This is a block to new entrants. The Episcopal Church is too “British”. The Lutheran Church is too “German”.

    The idea of small denominations that don’t have a clearly defined heirarchy and history of establishment seem to them to be more like cults: renegade groups of extremists. The only ones that they likely encounter are those that knock on doors, like the Seventh-Day Adventists and the Mormons.

    But don’t get me wrong. Christians are doing good work here too. The Salvation Army is there in the city helping people. The Protestant Social Center helps a lot of poor people in many ways.

    David

  48. poohpity says:

    I think what happens in churches is we tend to forget the first time we realized how sinful we are and accepted what Christ did for us. It seems some develop a better than anyone else because I am a Christian attitude. The passion fades and complacency takes it’s place. In the US it is easy to do because we have so much who needs God to provide. The one area that seems to be lacking is that of the only one who can provide the fruit of the Spirit is the Spirit of God. That seems to be lacking in many lives of those who call themselves Christians. I think that is what Mart was referring to in his last paragraph. That is our barometer of how we are doing as Christians. Do I see more of Jesus in my life or more of my sinful nature? I know for myself that is the only thing I can compare myself to never to others but only to look in the mirror. Do I allow myself daily to be filled with the renewing power of the Spirit of God? Do I still realize who I am at the foot of the Cross not what my neighbor is doing?

  49. poohpity says:

    I would seem simple to just erase the log in at the bottom of the comments and use the one at the top in the pages section.

  50. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Steve,

    Since I have known you and others on this blog, I have come to realise that there is very little difference between us, we are all struggling human beings who desperately cling to God out of need for a covering of our sin and then a love for our saviour King.
    The biggest difference between us has to do with our cultures and the fact from over here there seems to be no difference in the fundamentalist attitude of Islam, and your own (US, not you personally) in that you are both entrenched by dogmatic beliefs, such as anti abortion, anti gay etc.
    I do realise that we proclaim Jesus as the son of God and Messiah and that Islam doesn’t, but there seems to be total opposition to anything that strays away from the Christian fundamentalist view of life.
    You have lived too long isolated on your cosy continent and, like Pearl Harbour, the rest of the world breathed a sigh of relief when 9/11 happened as it brought you back into the real world.
    Like Davids said, most of us only see you through the terrible press you get in the media and films, burning Islamic books etc. and by Mormon missionaries knocking on our doors. Funny to say there were two American Mormons on my bus this afternoon, very nice lads but still Americans and brash. Like I said it has more to do with culture and the we are fed up with having yours forced down our throats. Your type of Christianity is more akin to Mc Donald’s than Christ.

    Bob

  51. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    correction…

    Like I said it has more to do with culture and that we are fed up with having yours forced down our throats. Your type of Christianity is more akin to Mc Donald’s than Christ. Fast food and Instant Jesus!

  52. poohpity says:

    Bob, did you really feel a sigh of relief in so much pain and suffering that 9/11 brought? Wow I do not know how anyone could feel that way about innocent lives lost no matter where they are from. That brought tears to my eyes to hear of such hatred.

  53. Hisgirl4life says:

    Bob, I know you addressed your comment to Steve, although I felt very moved to write to you via this blog.

    I am saddened by your comment “like Pearl Harbor, the rest of the world breathed a sign of relief when 9/11 happened as it brought you back into the real world.” I understand this blog is freedom to express differing views and thoughts, so I pray we may all be respectful of each others viewpoints.

    Many people died a brutal death that fateful day. They represented many nationalities, countries, cultures and beliefs. I am sorry that you have not experienced true Christian fellowship with others in your life…as that is a life fully surrendered to Him. Christ first, others second and self last. That is what He asks of us…a difficult role, but one true Christians are willing to live in His strength. I believe it is why many laid down their lives upon the plane bound for Washington to save the lives of others on 9/11.

    You are truly loved and accepted here, Bob, just as Christ loves us. I pray you will come to know truth as only Jesus can give and that your heart will be at peace. The Bible says Jesus is our peace. Christians are never elated over war, bloodshed and terrorist assults. Please do not confuse true Christianity with those who profess with their mouths but are far away with their heart.
    I pray you will not take offence to sharing from my heart.

  54. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I did not say I was elated over war or the death of so many in New York, just that your nation is isolated from events in the world and as in world war one and world war two you are slow to react.
    9/11 was your “wake up” call to what is happeneing and how much hate you, as a nation, cause in areas like the middle and far east.
    At least now you have a leader who is willing to listen and see another point of view that is not based on “Bible Belt” fundamentalism but on sound reasoning.

    Bob

  55. SFDBWV says:

    Davids, Thank you for your very infomative comment. It does make good sense.

    My wife Glenna lived in Saudi Arabia for several years, and was amazed that their idea of Americans came from TV shows such as, at the time, “Dallas”.

    TV and movies, often fantasies, have power and when misused can like everything else, cause harm.

    Even within our own culture in in America, people try to live like the people they see portrayed in such media. Which only is a part of why our culture is becoming more and more decadent.

    I must say I agree somewhat with the idea that there being so many different churches that it is not only confusing but sends out a message of disunity within the body of Christ. Every one wanting to have their own brand of worship.

    Thanks again Davids for your comment.

    Bob, I still love you brother, and know you didn’t mean for what you said to sound as it did.

    Steve

  56. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks Steve,
    I do have a way with words don’t I

    Bob

  57. foreverblessed says:

    Great reaction Steve! Very good.
    Bob, I thought that at the civil war the US had lost its virginity already!
    Steve, thanks for asking your question, I am thinking about an answer, but have to go to bed now.
    This is now the weekend with the art exhibition. It is going great, my paintings are showing their weakness, and it is good for me, good for my ego.
    We have to die to our old self, it is better, because the new man can grow, Jesus in us!
    Pat, thinking of you and your family too, I hope the funeral was comforting. There is a proverb which says:
    beter the day of death, when you have led a good life, there is rejoicing in heaven when we come there.
    There is also rejoicing in heaven when we come to repentance, when we face ourselves and say:
    was I trying to put up a show, instead of letting Jesus become bigger in me.

  58. davids says:

    Bob,

    I can understand that the British most of all breathed a sigh of relief when the US was attacked at Pearl Harbor. You were resisting the Facists almost single-handedly in Europe, and the attack revealed the threat of the Axis powers to the US, which until then had been unwilling to intervene.

    In this context, I can see how you try to draw a parallel with the events of 9-11. Some people thought that the “chickens came home to roost” over the US support for the Shah of Iran, repressive governments in other countries, and other policies.

    I want you to know that in the Bible Belt and other parts of the US, there are many good Christians, just as there are throughout England. The pastor that threatened to burn a Qu’ran got so much attention because it was so unusual, and he was eventually disuaded largely by other Christians.

  59. plumbape says:

    Men never commit evil so gleefully as when they do it in the name of religion.

    Brother Steve I’m confused about your comment referring to the show Dallas…? You mean that was not a true story?

    The Simpsons….. Back to the books

  60. SFDBWV says:

    Michael, very funny, good job. Made me laugh, thanks.

    Steve

  61. SFDBWV says:

    foreverblessed, I love it that you are an artist. In my youth I wanted to be, but went after a different method of being creative.

    I appreciate your comments and am looking foreward to your own thoughs on the subject, when you put them into your own words.

    Steve

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