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Who or What is More Biblical?

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Proverbs 18:18 says, “Casting lots can end arguments and settle disputes between powerful opponents.”

Another proverb says, “We may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall (Prov 16:33 NLT).

So is it biblical to settle an argument by drawing straws, flipping a coin, or rolling the dice?

And…why is it that few questions divide followers of Christ more than the question of whether an idea, doctrine, decision, or practice is biblical?

At risk of offering seven ways to divide up,

Is it biblical to:

  1. Go to church on Monday instead of Sunday?
  2. Have a pastor who is not married (i.e. the husband of one wife).
  3. Get involved in partisan politics?
  4. Get remarried after a divorce?
  5. Be a 5 point (or less) Calvinist, or Armeninian?
  6. Dress up (or down) for Church?
  7. Bury by cremation?

I’ll stop here hoping we don’t dive into opinions about the above questions.

The point is not that such questions are unimportant. It is that people with a deep commitment to the Bible can be found on both sides of these issues, with chapter and verse to support their opinion. Furthermore, the tendency of either side on any of these issues is to believe that those who disagree are being “unbiblical” whether they realize it or not.

At this point is it possible that what we need most is not just  more knowledge, and not just to roll the dice of divine sovereignty one question at a time– but for wisdom?

Do we need more than anything the life-changing wisdom that comes from keeping our  focus on (1) the story of (2) a Son who shows us (3) the mind and heart that is behind every word of the Bible?

And if our focus is there,  will it allow us to consider all questions with a sense of what is most important… as well as when and where rolling dice is the best way to resolve a disagreement?


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29 Responses to “Who or What is More Biblical?”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Of what use is knowledge unless we have the wisdom to apply it? Of all the learning processes I know of none like the learning and application of the Word of God.

    One can learn to be anything and be either good at it or bad at it. A good doctor, a bad doctor; a good teacher a bad teacher and so forth to every position learning can take you.

    However what purpose is it for us to “learn” from scripture? Is it so we can be an expert in legalities of rules and laws of biblical obedience?

    Or is it so that we can become more aligned with the heart and nature of God, specifically Jesus the Christ?

    Which does our heart tell us is more important?

    One of the opportunities of learning from scripture is for it to aid in changing us. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit opens our heads and hearts to the understanding of scripture. So we change or we don’t according to our willingness to learn to be more Christ like.

    Jesus gave us the example of the seeds falling on different types of soil, deep, shallow or even on rocks. The result being the ability or the lack of ability to grow as a result of the type of soil the seeds fell upon.

    The question becomes, can we alter what type of soil we are, or has that already been determined, by God? Once we learn, will our prayers be answered and God give us a new heart so that we can turn from hard hearted rock to deep rich soil? Is this part of the promise Jesus made when He said we must be born again, and so given a new spirit?

    I am sorry I am out of time, I will return to finish my comments later.

    Steve

  2. hera says:

    for me, i can not tell when to roll the dice, whether rolling dice is the “biblical”, what is the right way..it is like how to differentiate – whether it is actually our own – human – will or God’s will.. (of course not applied to “clear” matters, like do not steal etc)..

  3. florida7sun says:

    Often I become weary by troubling my mind with too many questions; my own and those of others. I find that the more I pray that His Spirit lead me into all truth, He does so patiently allowing me to enjoy Jesus’ presence in the now.

    Not burdened by the past; not fearful of the future.
    His sanctification process allows me to work out my salvation by always being with Him; from the day His Spirit entered my heart; on our daily walks along the path He has selected, and with a confidence that He has an eternal home for me with Him in glory.

    I find many deep, deep thinkers are always looking but never finding. How high is high? How deep is deep? How big is big? How small is small?

    To be with Jesus makes your heart come alive. We will never comprehend fully the wisdom of Our Heavenly Father. In attempting to do so, we often let our mind overrule the stirrings of Jesus to love… to keep His commandments.

    Love is the joy of being one with Him. Love received and love given in return; love empowered and love shared with others.

    “God is God. Because he is God, He is worthy of my trust and obedience. I will find rest nowhere but in His holy will that is unspeakably beyond my largest notions of what he is up to.” – Elizabeth Elliot

    I share Elizabeth Elliot’s desire to rest in Him 24/7. Over time, Jesus will lead me into all truth. He does so lovingly through His Word in keeping with the plan He has prepared for me, individually. He has one for each of us.

    Love to all, Ray

  4. poohpity says:

    I think there is far to much time spent on the things that divide because in those things I have my eyes on MY thoughts and desires not on what God has intended. I agree Mart when you said, “we need more than anything the life-changing wisdom that comes from keeping our focus on (1) the story of (2) a Son who shows us (3) the mind and heart that is behind every word of the Bible”.

  5. foreverblessed says:

    This topic has been on my mind the last few weeks.
    The question is:
    1-Are we people of God.
    2-Or are we people of biblical principles

    If we are people of biblical principles we are strict on principles. Principles we hold on firmly, And we have different sort of principles, ones that can never be broken, and others who are less important.

    If we are people of God we try to follow God, we want to be more like Him, more love, more grace, more peace.
    We want to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit. Afcourse we follow the same principles, but as a result of our relation with a loving Father. Not because a rule says so.

    I think I was of the second category, having been in a legalistic church.

    But a few weeks ago I ran into a problem: I did hurt a fellow christian very very deep. I had called her to say I did’nt feel OK for an appointment we had made the afternoon before. She was sooooo disappointed, that is was so rude to cancel at such a late hour, only 2 hours before we would go. How ever I could have done that!
    I had violated a principle: let your yes be yes and your no be no. You just do NOT do such a thing.
    I said I was sorry, and decided to go anyway. But the damage was already done.
    So there I was: no sorry was good enough. I should have known this beforehand.

    It was a very very good experience for me.
    For that is how it is when you live according to principles, even if they are biblical principles, no matter which they are.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    In the creation of worship and of the priests, we find in Exodus 28 and 39 the holy garments worn by the priests.

    Parts of the usage of these garments were for the discernment of God’s will, by the casting of lots.

    In Leviticus we find Aaron casting lots (16: 8). If we look we can find the casting of lots found in the ability to know Gods will when those who did so were in doubt.

    However in Psalms 22 as well as in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John we all read of lots being cast for the garments Christ wore.

    Every matter in the OT leads us to the Christ, every order of worship; every example leads us to Christ.

    The casting of lots as a biblical usage, were completed in Jesus’ crucifixion, death, and resurrection.

    Now we have Christ as a High Priest, He dwells within us in the person of the Holy Spirit and has offered to lead us into all truth.

    We need no longer cast our decisions to the roll of a die, but rather depend and rely on the person of Jesus Christ to lead and direct our choices.

    If all of our biblical knowledge only leads us to biblical knowledge, and not to finding Christ, then we have wasted our time and become unwise in the knowledge we have learned.

    If we take biblical knowledge and are able to lead ourselves as well as others to Christ, then we are successful in applying that knowledge for the purpose it was intended to be.

    Please, do not rely on your eternal salvation on the roll of dice or the casting of lots, but by relying, depending, and trusting your fate to the only one who matters, Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    Steve

  7. poohpity says:

    I was thinking after reading the bible over and over there was only ONE who was able to live by biblical principles/standards and that was Christ. I often wonder if I do not do more damage to hold myself to such high standards or anyone else for that matter. It seems that God cares about our hearts and where it is focused.

  8. poohpity says:

    Steve, they also used a drawing system to replace Judas by Matthias in the NT Acts 1:26.

  9. tracey5tgbtg says:

    The Bible, which is the Word of God, is called the sword of the Spirit. A sword is a weapon that we will use in battle. But how often do we take the battle where it doesn’t belong?

    Ephesians 6:10-18, the armor of God segment, says our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the powers of evil in the spiritual realm.

    We are all in the same battle against the same enemy who wants to separate us from God and the Bible gives us what we need to stand against that enemy. When someone picks a Bible verse to back themselves up to someone else, especially a brother or sister in Christ, in order to say “I am right and you are wrong, see it says so in the Bible,” then we are letting Satan win.

    I know already that some are thinking that some people are “false teachers” who are deceiving others and they have to be called to account and that’s where my argument loses its steam.

    All I can say is that I believe God is speaking directly to the heart of the reader of His word at any given time. We don’t read the Bible to tell others how to live, we read it for our own life. That’s why everyone must pick up the Bible and read it for themselves and apply it to themselves. I think Steve made that point very clearly: “Or is it so that we can become more aligned with the heart and nature of God, specifically Jesus the Christ?”

    I quote the Bible often because it is the Truth that I believe in and because it is how I hear God speaking to me. I hope I don’t come across as judgemental or critical of others.

    I also think God has different plans for each of us. The lessons and convictions He has for me, may not apply to someone else and vice versa.

    John 21:21-22 When Peter saw Him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow Me.”

    Ray, thanks for the Elizabeth Elliot quote.

  10. foreverblessed says:

    Tracey, I agree with you, “God has different plans for each of us. The lessons and convictions He has for me, may not apply to someone else and vice versa.”
    That is sooo important to remember: what might be OK for another might NOT be OK for me, because GOd leads me in a different way.
    For instance, I had to get rid of coffee. That took me 2 years to be able to live without it. But no-one else has to do that, unless God specifically shows them too.
    Live and let live.

    And your other point, that we use the bible as a sword for the spirit world, not for our fellow man. Weapons down, soemone wrote here a while ago, when meeting other people.
    And afcourse we use it to our own edification

  11. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed…. weapons down, what a great word that is,
    for it is when you are holding a weapon that you are most likely to use. It is why some people should not carry guns!!
    To me it is the Armor that proects, and that is non other than the Word of God, which happens to be our greatest weapon against being misled. However, the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in our most valued possession and must always be with us, or we are defenseless against all adviseries, and mostly ourselves, for the real battle is in the mind, and the in renewing of the mind, comes the greatest victory!

  12. xrgarza says:

    I read years ago In James or Peter, and now I can’t find it but it said something to the affect that we shouldn’t be arguing about doctrines.

    Because I’m not as smart as I look, I break everything down to the simplest of terms, as you will see, It provides me with the ability to have a sound understanding when dealing with difficult matters.

    Through the years I’ve been able to see the church as a whole not just one denomination but as one big family. I then compared it to my family.

    The similarities and the differences were amazing. I have two brother’s and a sister, we live separate lives, in different houses, we eat different kinds of foods, we have different types of jobs, we raise our families differently, our friends our different, we go to different churches, and we are at different levels spiritually.

    But the one thing that we have in common is that we have the same parents. That’s what keeps us united.

    For instance I don’t eat pork, for healthy reasons, my brother on the other hand loves pork, if he invites me to his house and offers me dinner, you bet I’m going to honor and respect his home and break bread with him.

    I’m not going to tell him that what he eats or how he raises his family, or spends his money is wrong just cause it’s different than the way I do it.

    I love my brother, Similarly As a member of the Christian family we have the same Father, If I am invited to a Catholic church, or a Baptist church, or a Seven Day Advantest, I can enjoy the fellowship and the spiritual meal without having to argue the things that I do or don’t practice.

    If I’m invited to church by someone who attends on Monday, and I show up on Sunday, then who is being the difficult one?

    If I know that I have been invited to a church that dresses up or down, I want to be able to dress accordingly.

    Rocky

  13. John says:

    Thanks Mart, What a gift it is to be humbled enough that we step back and be patient to hear God and be sensitive.
    A wealth of knowledge is simply never enough! One of my most defining moments came while I was in training for yet another measure of knowledge, meeting the challenges of my profession, and being recognized as a knowledgeable professional.
    After completed instruction, I immediately turned my next goal of “knowledge”. As I began the research in the library for my next goal, I was suddenly compelled to simply walk through the aisles of this wonderful building so full of knowledge. And at age 53, I was confronted with the fact that I was not nearly as I intelligent as I had convinced myself to be. As one roams about in the library of a continuing education, I quickly learned an important lesson. I was greatly humbled. It was clearly time to turn my attention about face and run with the knowledge I had earned, and begin the much broader journey of “Wisdom”. For me the journey began with humility. Psalm 111:10, tells us “The “fear”, of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” Fear: “Extreme reverence or awe”(ref:dictionary ). So for me the journey is Knowing God, and not any bets on chance.

  14. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh, yes you are correct; in the KJ it is still called lots. It was also before the Day of Pentecost and some believe they got it wrong as Jesus Himself chose the next Apostle in the man called Saul, whom would soon be known as Paul.

    Steve

  15. christinal says:

    I really enjoyed this post.

    It can be really easy for me, or anybody, I think, to get caught up in certain ideals or biblical standpoints yet seemingly miss the entire mark of what is most important about the message.

    When this happens (and by all means correct me — I am still a beginner) it helps me to defer to what I consider two fundamental sections of the bible, in my journey of getting to know Christ.

    Ecclesiastes 1 & Matthew 22:34-40

    Ecclesiastes 1

    …Ecc 1:4 One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.

    Ecc 1:5 The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, And hastens to the place where it arose.

    Ecc 1:6 The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit.

    Ecc 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea is not full; To the place from which the rivers come, There they return again.

    Ecc 1:8 All things are full of labor; Man cannot express it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor the ear filled with hearing.

    Ecc 1:9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.

    Ecc 1:10 Is there anything of which it may be said, “See, this is new”? It has already been in ancient times before us.

    Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things, Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come By those who will come after.

    Ecc 1:12 I, the Preacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

    Ecc 1:13 And I set my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all that is done under heaven; this burdensome task God has given to the sons of man, by which they may be exercised.

    Ecc 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and indeed, all is vanity and grasping for the wind.

    Ecc 1:15 What is crooked cannot be made straight, And what is lacking cannot be numbered.

    Ecc 1:16 I communed with my heart, saying, “Look, I have attained greatness, and have gained more wisdom than all who were before me in Jerusalem. My heart has understood great wisdom and knowledge.”

    Ecc 1:17 And I set my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also is grasping for the wind.

    Ecc 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief, And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

    and,

    Matthew 22:34-40

    Mat 22:35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,

    Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

    Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

    Mat 22:38 “This is the first and great commandment.

    Mat 22:39 “And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

    Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

    ___

    Let’s pick our battles, friends. Nothing is new under the sun, but what we do know is this: To love our LORD with all our heart, mind and soul; and to love & care for our sisters and brothers as hard as we can.

    Christina

  16. freeman says:

    The answer to those questions depends on the posture of the heart. Am I trying to put my personal opinion across for personal gain or am I looking for the truth. I make my decisions based on my conscience, an informed conscience at that. Informed by biblical truths, revelation from the Holy Spirit through prayer, and tested by Godly men who have gone before me.

  17. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, I enjoy this post too.
    Christina, thanks, your verses say what John wrote just above.
    Xrgarza:
    Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
    Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

    Sound doctrine, I think that is another topic, but it must be like this:
    God loves us so much that He gave His Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:15-19

  18. xrgarza says:

    Thank you foreverblessed,

    I believe that Titus 3:9 may be the one, I don’t know what version I read or if I was reading a commentary on that passage. But this verse says exactly that.

    Thank you again.
    Rocky

  19. foreverblessed says:

    We are under grace not under law (not meaning that we can break the law, no we uphold the law, Romans 6:14-15)

    Dwelling on grace rather then on principles is a choice I can make myself.
    So I would like to add some on grace, since I read this last night:
    Psalm 45: 2 (talking about the King)
    You are the most excellent of men
    and your lips have been anointed with grace,
    since God has blessed you forever

    Commentaries found in biblegateway on John 3:16
    These stories reveal the fulfillment that has come in Jesus, providing grace upon grace (cf. 1:16).

    (These stories form a coherent section, as the link between 2:11 and 4:54 indicates. A common theme in 2:1–4:42 (cf. Dodd 1953:297) is the replacement of the old with the new: wine in place of water (2:1-11), a new temple (2:14-19), a new birth (3:1-21), a new well of water (4:7-15) and new worship (4:16-26).)

    As we progress through these stories we see the glory of God, which is his grace (cf. 1:14), shining ever more brightly. It shines first in kosher Jewish settings, both in the Galilean countryside (2:1-11) and in Jerusalem (2:12–3:21). At the end of this kosher section, John the Baptist returns to the stage to bear witness, setting his seal to what has been revealed (3:22-36). Then the glory shines among various despised people who are less than kosher, including a Samaritan adulteress and a Herodian official (4:1-54).

    In the transitional section that follows, grace is given to one who betrays Jesus (5:1-15), bringing to a climax this opening series of stories and initiating the conflict that follows. As God’s scandalous grace is offered not just to the kosher but to the unkosher, the glory is revealed with increasing intensity until it provokes a reaction (5:16-18). At this point Jesus delivers his keynote address (5:19-30), provides a list of witnesses to the truth of what he is saying (5:31-40) and adds his own accusation against his opponents (5:41-47). Thus chapter 5 brings to a head the opening revelation of the glory and introduces the conflict that will then dominate the story.The Glory Is Revealed in a Kosher, Domestic Setting (2:1-11)

    Sooo much to know on grace!
    1 Peter 5:10-11
    And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.

  20. florida7sun says:

    tracey5tgbtg… Excellent! It is a spiritual battle we are engaged in; not one with flesh and blood.

    Occasionally I have met men full of evil. Darkness was in their souls. One such man was Mohamed Atta who flew American Airlines Flight 11 into the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

    Open any newspaper and the influence of evil upon men can be seen in most every story. I have seen such men in commerce, in government, in social settings… even in the church. Self-righteous, with their own agenda, influenced by the prince of this world. That’s why the apostles asked Jesus about His betrayer, “Is it I?”

    We have to be in God’s Word and be prepared to give a reason for the hope that is within us.

    The only restrainer of a literal hell on earth is the Holy Spirit in those who love the Lord Jesus and seek to share His love with others.

    God bless you, Tracey.

    Ray

  21. pegramsdell says:

    Amen freeman. I agree. Also….we can ask our pastors and elders,and if we’re still not sure after praying and asking counsel, we can lay down a fleece. Of course that may be the same as the dice throwing.

    A lady once told me that when her children would ask her if they could go out with friends or over their houses, she would pray about it. Then she would wait for the answer. If they needed to know right away, she would just say no,cause she wanted to make sure God wanted them to go or she wouldn’t let them go.

  22. bubbles says:

    The things listed by Mart could by some fall into “gray” areas. . . but with God, I do not really see the areas as “gray”. Things are either/or. Shouldn’t the closer we grow to God, the farther away we should draw away from things questionable? To me, choosing not to participate in questionalbe things is not child like. I cannot understand believers saying in so many words because they are “mature” spiritually, they can handle more questionable things than those they perceive as being less mature than they are.

    That seems like a negative correlation. Perhaps this way of thinking is too simplistic. The one sure thing we do know is one day we will stand before the Lord and give an account to Him. I don’t want to do something wrong. . . even though the choices made to honor God are not always easy. But even Paul said that he struggled with what he knew was right and what he did.

  23. davids says:

    There is already much wisdom written above on this topic. I consider Paul to be my example of the evangelist. How did he deal with those that had different beliefs?

    1 Corinthians 9:19: “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.”

    So Paul did not preach biblical precepts, but rather Jesus, and him crucified. This is where my heart must be, and the center of my message.

  24. tracey5tgbtg says:

    oneg2dblu – I agree that we must have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit –
    Davids – Amen! 1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Have been watching the terrible devastation of the earthquake and tsunami that has hit Japan. My prayers to all who are affected by this awful event.

    Steve

  26. Regina says:

    Good Morning All,

    PRAISE THE LORD, from whom all BLESSINGS flow!! :-)

    Off topic here…
    I have a *praise report* to share with all who prayed for me (& those who didn’t know I needed prayer)! I have a brand new back door and storm door and they’re both BEAUTIFUL! My husband, who earns 90% of the household income, did not spend the extra income on frivolity! He bought the doors that we desperately needed!
    Please join with me in praising our God for the much needed blessing that He has given me and my family (husband, me & son)!

    Now, back on topic. Great blog topic, Mart, and I’ve enjoyed reading and gained wisdom from all of the comments shared thus far.
    Steve, Hera, Ray & Tracey, I agree with what you said (3-10/7:53 am [& 10:48 am], 8:49 am, 9:15 am & 11:27 am)

    Tracey, so sorry for spelling your name wrong the other day. :)

    Off topic again…
    Just heard on the news that a Tsunami is expected to hit Hawaii in minutes! Let’s keep those precious people in our prayers.

    Sunny and warm in Texas today (high 60’s/low 70’s).

  27. Regina says:

    Steve, I heard about the earthquake and Tsunami that hit Japan too. Heard about the devastation in Japan online and was caught offguard by the breaking news about the Tsunami that’s about to hit Hawaii! We definitely need to keep both countries in our prayers!

  28. Regina says:

    *country and state! :-)

  29. lostinthe60s says:

    Does any of that matter? Why argue among ourselves? What is important I believe is our walk with our Lord and Savior. Second does our Lord and Savior care? (Could the versus about worshiping on the the Lords day was for man or God apply to this discussion?)

    Dennis

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