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Why Are We So Angry?

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Got an e-mail from a Christian bro who said anger management is the #1 issue in his men’s recovery group. He adds that he’s seen so many guys self-destruct, and wishes men knew how to understand Jesus’ ability to feel strong emotion without losing control.

He went on to say that, while he knows both men and women struggle to cope with pressure, he thinks men need special help dealing with their rage. Does he have a point, or just looking at it from a man’s perspective?

In the previous conversation, we began talking about the relationship between love and anger. Thinking about the strong emotions of Jesus, as he turned over the tables of the moneychangers gave us an occasion to think about the difference between healthy and unhealthy “indignation”.

As noted in comments to that post, many references in the Bible talk about the anger of the Lord (Exod 32:22). One refers to Nehemiah who was furious at the way his people were letting  their sons and daughters go into slavery (Neh 5:5-8). His anger, like that of the LORD, is motivated by love and therefore an expression of virtue rather than vice.

So in response to the question above, and to continue talking about what it takes to move from dangerous anger to its healthy counterpart (i.e. also Eph 4:26), let’s turn back a few pages.

The most notoriously angry man in the Bible may be Saul, the first king of Israel. Even though he is described as a handsome man who stood head and shoulders above other men of his generation, his story shows us another emotion that is so often behind our rage (1Sam 18:6-12).

Saul comes to us compared to his far from perfect, but highly honored successor, David, who is called a man after God’s own heart (1Sam 13:14; Acts 13:22).

Am wondering whether by looking at the difference between David’s heart and Saul’s we might find some more insight in dealing with the rage that can consume us– and those around us.

Does the fact that David is known for his healthy “fear of the Lord” while Saul is known for his “fear of David” give us another look at “the fear factor”.

And can imperfect men (and women) like us identify more easily with the way David responded to his own fear– than by reflecting on Jesus running the moneychangers out of the temple?

If we think about the fear behind Saul’s self-destructing anger do we even have reason to think about the roots and development of our own fears—that keep us from finding the thoughts and Source of real self-control?

Yeh, there’s too much here to get our arms around. But this isn’t something we are going to solve in a day either. Maybe, together, we can help one another take a few steps in the right direction.


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  1. jam200 says:

    Good morning to all from Calgary, Alberta. Not much time to comment this morning.

    I think the key is in having the fear of the Lord in our hearts, and learning to respond rather than react. David’s desire was to walk with God and commune with Him. That should be our desire. However, there is much to pull us away. For David, the most memorable pulling away was his involvement with Bathsheba. David did seek the Lord.

    Saul, however, placed his trust in the people and sought their approval and blessing rather than God. People are fickle and change their minds daily. We see that with politicians. The people love them one day and hate them the next. Jesus placed His trust in His father. Saul placed his trust in the people.

    That’s really our choice as well. Do we trust God or people? Do we seek the approval of God or people?

    Regards,
    Juan

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Of course I will have more to say as the subject goes along and as time will allow. My short answer to Marts question concerning why so many are angry is that people are frustrated. Frustration leads to anger every time.

    Comparing Saul’s anger to David’s anger is an easy answer as Saul was concerned about Saul and David about God.

    However a quick question as both men killed other men as directed from God; does it take anger to kill another man even if justified by self protection or war?

    Steve

  3. bratimus says:

    If I remember correctly Saul wasn’t the King that God had in mind at first, the impatients of the pepple to wait brought Saul to king.

    Our big problem with anger is we don’t wait patiently for God to lead, and start leading ourselves. When we tend to lead ourselves we get further away from God and the further away from God we get the more angry we tend to get. Saul didn’t let God lead the way David let God lead him.

  4. SFDBWV says:

    In 1 Samuel 15 God through His prophet Samuel reminds Saul that it was God who had sent him (Samuel) to anoint Saul King over His people Israel. Samuel then says to Saul “hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.”

    Where upon God instructed Saul to kill Amalek, utterly destroy all that they have, spare them not.

    What does Saul do? Saul kills all as instructed but spared all the best animals including their king Agag.

    What does God then say and do?

    God states that He repents that He set Saul up as King, and in verse 23 because Saul rejected the “word of the Lord” God also rejects Saul from being King.

    Making stunning statements that to Obey is better than sacrifice, that rebellion is as witchcraft and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.

    The story gets deeper in that Saul admits he has sinned blaming the people for pressuring him and then asks for forgiveness, but forgiveness is denied. 1 Samuel 15: 24- 26.

    Samuel then kills Agag himself , and afterward never sees Saul again until his death.

    In Chapter 16, God then sends Samuel to anoint David king.

    Steve

  5. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Sauls anger was based on pride and having his nose put out of joint.
    God took His Spirit away from Saul because he disobeyed Samuel. When David was anointed as heir to the throne Saul lost it big time and went red with rage.
    David on the other hand, although a capable fighter and brave of heart was a romantic. He also had weak flesh and lusted after things that were not his to have.
    Davids anger was directed more at himself than to others because he had grieved God by his sin. But he was also so thankful because his God forgave him and restored that one thing he loved more than anything else, a relationship with his Father in heaven.
    “may I dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life and gaze upon His beauty, this is what I ask.”

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but there is no difference between men and women when it comes to anger management, believe me I have worked for lots of women!

    weather dull, damp and overcast here today 11C but sunny and warm 18C tomorrow, hopefully.

    Bob

  6. Helmet says:

    Hi there everybody, God bless you so much.

    I think the problem is in the root. What we hate. If the issue is all the things that don’t go with my desires or plans, like why my wife or husband doesn’t do something to make me feel better? why she doesn’t obey my voice right NOW?! -why he doesn’t give me money YET?! (or common: why he doesn’t set laundry clothes in the right place instead the floor)… Then,this hate becomes in an “Saul’s anger”, selfish, that would turn in violence.

    But the hate to sin, is the anger of justice, that’s why Jesus done that in temple. That was the motor of David’s. And that hate, would make us grow in faith and in godliness.

    Kiss 4 all!

  7. SFDBWV says:

    Thinking about the last topic and Mart’s comment about dangerous anger and its healthier counterpart: if we take a thesaurus and go to anger, we get a long list of words to pick from in order to describe just what kind of anger it is we are attempting to describe.

    Yet they are all forms of anger.

    Jesus tells us if we are angry with our brother “without a cause” we are in danger of judgment. Matthew 5: 22

    Does this imply that there is justification sometimes to get angry?

    I think so, and I also think that well thought out action should follow including forgiveness as well as whatever action may be necessary.

    Steve

  8. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    David was a shepheard king, that is why his throne will last forever because Jesus is The Shepheard King.
    He shall reign forever and ever.

  9. poohpity says:

    A lot of Saul’s anger was prideful and out of jealousy rather than taking responsibility for it he blamed others. David on the other hand admitted when he was wrong and asked for God’s forgiveness and accepted the consequences. David’s anger seemed to be about injustices to others while Saul was angry about things he felt were done to him that injured his self esteem.
    David came to God remorseful over his actions and Saul never admitted his. David felt deserving of God’s anger and was thankful of the mercy he had been shown instead. Saul seemed to feel he deserved the attention and glory rather than giving it to God.

  10. poohpity says:

    One of the first glimpses we have of Saul was after his anointing in private he was chosen by scared lots in public but was hiding behind baggage which showed his fear. The first glimpse we have of David is fighting the Lord’s battle against Goliath with no fear.

  11. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Oh you brought up Saul. Every time I think of Saul and David I wonder why Saul was so utterly rejected when he failed to act correctly, but David who committed blatant adultery, then calculated murder, was ultimately forgiven and regarded as a man after God’s own heart.

    To me, the answer is in who they turned to when they realized their sin. Saul seemed to think that Samuel could make him right with the Lord. 1 Sam 15:24-25. Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned. I violated the Lord’s command and your instructions. I was afraid of the people so I gave in to them. Now I beg YOU, forgive my sin and come back with me, so that I may worship the Lord.”

    When Nathan confronted David in 2 Samuel 12, David’s response is simply, “I have sinned against the Lord.” But if you read Psalm 51 you see the full measure of David’s sorrow and that he called upon the LORD for forgiveness.

    Of course David turned to God, his heart was always focused on God, but Saul’s heart was not.

    What does this have to do with why we are so angry? Not sure, I got sidetracked thinking about Saul and David. However, let me share this message which came from an “Our Daily Bread” tract:
    Resentment comes from looking at others,
    Contentment comes from looking at God.

  12. SFDBWV says:

    The story of Saul is a sad one and worthy of my compassion. He admitted his sin and indeed did ask for Samuel to forgive him and not turn away from him. However Samuel turned to leave and Saul clung to the mantle of Samuel’s skirt and tore it as he would not let go.

    Saul never really knew God’s Spirit he only knew God through Samuel and so desperately he clung to Samuel in how he considered to be clinging to God.

    When Samuel anointed David in the midst of his brothers (1Samuel 16:13) the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward.

    16: 14, but the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and an evil spirit “from the Lord” troubled him.

    Several thoughts are generated from this story. Saul could only think in terms of this world whereas David could see into that unseen world of the spiritual in his heart.

    Like Adam the first son fell from grace so did Saul the first king of Israel, both were replaced by a better representative. Adam by Christ, Saul by David, there are many such symbolic representations of the second son or choice being the one intended to be favored by God.

    In one of the miracles of Jesus we have a woman who thought only to touch the garment of Jesus and be healed. Matthew 9: 21-22

    Samuel was but a prophet and though he felt sympathy for Saul could do nothing, Jesus the Son of God was able to grant the woman’s request. One went away healed the other went away angry and resentful.

    Saul angry for being rejected just as Cain was angry for being rejected, sin waiting at the door.

    God sends an evil spirit to torment Saul. Was this an attempt to pressure Saul into a true repentance? Or was it to keep him from it?

    In the end it was suicide that Saul sought to end his torment, still not realizing the spirituality of life.

    Saul’s story is a very sad one.

    Steve

  13. injesusname says:

    I have been associated with a recovery program called Celebrate Recovery now for about 18 months. I would have to say about 1/3rd of the participants have anger problems. Although a large portion of these (anger) problems are not really related on the surface; they are under the surface. Celebrate Recovery is a Christ centered recovery program that focus’s on recovery through Gods word and loving support from volunteers. Each and every person that joins the group suffers from one problem and one problem only.(now I am talking specifically about anger here) We want to live our lives Our Way and when convenient or needed we call on Gods help! Once in CR and after a 12 step, step study the program teaches us that anger comes from us trying to “control” something in our lives” whatever or whoever it is; it is all the same. It is our “lack” of control that causes us to get angry! Think about this for a minute, when you are angry at the person who butts in at the theater, or a teenager who talks back or your finances that just keep getting worse! It is a lack of being able to control them or set them right that causes us to get angry. God’s anger is different because He gets angry at injustice, and it is His world and Man keeps going his own way so that displeases our Creator. CR teaches us that we are “powerless” over our hurts, habits and hangups. We learn to start allowing God to take all of these over; we unload all of our past baggage and learn that He is in control. The only way to really be “healed” is to give it all to God, then start living a life that He can bless. So in conclusion we all get angry because we are really not in control at all!! This is Gods way of telling us we need to go to Him, praying constantly to look after us and our needs, and lead us to being more like He is! Loving and compassionate!
    My 10 cents!

  14. poohpity says:

    A welcome 10 cents indeed.

    Steve, good info on Saul and David. :-)

    It has taken me a long time to look within and ask why am I so angry?. My anger seems to be self defense at times, retaliation when my pride gets injured, it is also an emotion that I use when I am hurt, depressed and alone. Anger is a cover up to mask my true feelings of not being adequate or worthy.

  15. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… you are “right on” about Saul, and his being jealous of David. Then that jealousy turned to anger, and that anger turned to rage, and that rage
    caused him to try to kill David. It shows us how, when we do not bring even our jealousy to God and repent, that Satan can grow it into other more destructive forms of anger.
    I beleive anger “turned inward” is a form of depression, but stand to be corrected if that is wrong. Chemical imbalances in the body also responsible for depression, and are not anger or jealousy, or the result of being out of control over a issue in our lives, but an actual deficiency in the balance of needed elements for good mental health. This mental imbalance is nothing to do with sin in “our current lives,” but may be do to the leftover results, of the Garden of Eden and God’s punishing all mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve! Birthpains, sickness, death and such. For those, he has given us a Saviour, the only way out of our sin nature, is to stay attached and be rooted in the Word and Will of Almighty God, through His Son Jesus Christ. Our Only Hope!

  16. oneg2dblu says:

    tracy5tgbtg…. yes, He was jealous of David in many ways, not just because the people loved David, but because Saul was not getting his recognition, that was the major factor in his starting his ever sinful decline.Did Saul ever really recognized God as someone to repent to? He always tried to focus on man instead, for solving his woes, and it was “his pride being hurt,” that set the wheels of that whole story going forward to his being de-throned and abandoned by God. What a rich story it all is for us today, so faceted, and fascinating. David, upon seeing his sin and repenting, always returned to God’s favor.

  17. plumbape says:

    IMHO, the issue with anger is FEAR. Men especially have fears they would never admit to and would rather march into certain death rather than face the fear they have in there heart.

    The coward faces death many times
    The valiant faces death but once
    Shakespear

    I think that men fear to become humble is to become a coward, only, I have found the opposite to be true.

    MacArthur said “We are not retreating, we are advancing in the opposite direction”….oops

    Michael

  18. SFDBWV says:

    Michael there is a poem that has a very familiar line that goes as such; “A coward dies ten thousand deaths, but a brave man dies but once.”

    This is what separates bravery from cowardliness, that a man can overcome his fears and in spite of them go on.

    Anger is a last resort when all else fails, we can either accept defeat or be angry that we can not overcome whatever the problem is.

    For me when I reach that point, I surrender the matter over to God and allow Him to relieve me of the burden and solve the matter in total concert with His will.

    Anger can be useful sometimes, but cool calculating minds will always win the day.

    Steve

  19. tracey5tgbtg says:

    I’ve been thinking of everyone’s input – about how anger is based in large part in knowing you are not in control; we oftentimes cannot control what others think and do and it is very irritating. Especially when we know they are hurting themselves or us and we can’t do anything about it. How not being in control is a fearful thing and being afraid leads to anger.

    Also, how Saul tried to cling to God through Samuel instead of seeking God for himself. Then today’s ODB was about spiritual leaders – and not putting them on a pedestal.

    It is amazing to me how things all tie together. Trying to control things or putting our hope in a person, even a strong Christian leader, all comes from a lack of faith in God. From today’s ODB scripture: You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 1Cor3:3

    Steve – you are right, ultimately we must surrender to God and His will.

    I suppose that for someone who doesn’t know Jesus Christ, the idea of “surrendering” to God can sound scary or hard, but in fact, it is the most wonderful thing to do.

    “Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30

  20. BruceC says:

    Anger can be a result of fear; but what is it that causes that fear? Rejection? Failure? Not getting our own way? Jealousy? What?
    When one looks at our culture today it comes as no surprise that anger is a by-product of it. Our culture(the world system for that matter) is selfish, materialistic, and pleasure-seeking. And when these things do not bring about real joy(different than happiness) and fulfillment our human nature kicks in and reacts as it does with anger. As our culture gets worse as time goes on I think I expect to see more anger and the violence that accompanies it; not just in personal lives but also in how nations react and it internal affairs of those nations; such as rioting and looting.
    When I was a cop there were times when the temptation to get angry was strong; but we had to stay in control even if others were not. Believe me; it was tough to do but had to be done; or at least controlled to stay in charge.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  21. plumbape says:

    Ths Living God is working in my life every day. I don’t fear man but fear I can’t please God. I believe He put me here to shine a light on this dark area of the planet. I don’t get angry any more and when I have need of something He just opens a door for me and I just have to walk thru it in faith. It’s scarey how real it is, lol…

    Michael

  22. florida7sun says:

    The more I view the beauty and extent of God’s creation, the more needy I become in praising Him for His unmerited favor and grace (God’s Riches At Christ’s Expense). I can in no way comprehend His majesty, but rejoice that He has given me His peace and calls me His friend.

    Beautiful day in the Sunshine State.

    Love to all, Ray

  23. oneg2dblu says:

    Thanks Mart for this very needed topic about our destructive behavior traits. I’ve thought much about the root of this anger, and believe the greatest element is our pride. Pride comes before the fall, and anger drives us to the edge. Rage makes us jump where we don’t belong, and only God can bring us back. Unfortunately, He warns us about our pride, which starts the whole process. Anyhow, it is all self-driven not God-given., but definately God forgiven, if we repent.
    I see “yur pride” as the sin that brings much harm upon all mankind. You can even be angry with me if you like, but don’t say I didn’t warn you! LOL

  24. flgrace says:

    The anger of Jesus was displayed in response to injustice to others – not himself (righteous indignation). Our anger on the other hand is usually caused by injustice (real or imagined) to ourselves. Too often we use the righteous indignation bit to excuse our actions. We fail to recognize the real reason – that our pride is at issue or we cannot control the situation. While we work on the true cause of anger, from a practical standpoint it is vital that we develop the ability to control our anger. My father taught me to stop, take a deep breath, and think before acting or speaking to minimize the destructiveness of my anger.

  25. kalolina says:

    Thank you for all of these helpful comments. I was especially comforted when i read Mart’s words about healthy and unhealthy indignation, and Juan’s notes about our need to have a healthy fear of the Lord in our hearts unlike Saul’s pursuit of man’s approval. It’s so easy to get caught up in thinking that we must impress man to survive in the workplace, church assembly, even in friend and family situations. When we fail to win man’s favour, we get angry when the next guy or gal is recognized or honoured. It’s such a verity that our pride does goeth before a fall. Thanks to oneg2dblu for reminding us of that.

    Here’s to a day of focussing on God and seeking His approval and pleasure. Amen. God bless everyone at RBC. What a Christ-centred ministry.

  26. oneg2dblu says:

    flgrace… sounds like Our Heavenly Father would tell us the same, and even forgive us, if we repent.
    For if we do not repent, then how will He know we are growing more dependant upon Him, to do His Will, instead of our own?
    But the result of that anger will have to be dealt with, for “all sin has consequences.” We have allowed anger/pride, to overpower us, and that causes us great harm when it does, it ruins our witness, destroys our relationships, dishonors our fathers will for us, to Be Strong in the Lord, and not let the thoughts of man and the world conquer our best intentions to Honor Him in all we do! Gary

  27. bernhe says:

    In your anger, sin not. Definitely shows that anger can result in sin. That’s what we as men do not want to do. If our anger is from the same motivations as Jesus, we are safe.
    So why are we angry? Many times it is from fear. Fear that we are not respected or valued. Men want to know they are respected.
    Jesus was never afraid. He knew who he was. His value came from God. That is how he dealt with it.

    If we can answer the question as to why we are angry we can deal with the issues as they should be dealt.

  28. bernhe says:

    Saul’s anger came from his insecurity. Even before he was king he demonstrated this by hiding.
    He continued by asking Samuel to pray to “his God.” He feared that David could take away what God had given to him. how foolish he was!

  29. dstone47 says:

    Sometimes there can be other issues leading to out of control anger. I worked nights for twenty years, could never get a decent nights sleep. I had a major problem with anger that contributed greatly to ending a 28 year marriage. After I changed to a day job suddenly my anger issues completely disappeared. Its been nearly 10 years now and there is no sign of a relapse.

  30. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve…I know this is a small point, but small points can add up, so I digress..4-5 8:19 you state… What does God then say and do? God states that He repents??? I really like the way my NIV says it… 1 Samuel 15:11 “I *regret* that I have made Saul King…”
    It works better for me because, I always ask myself, to whom would God need to repent?
    I would rather save the word *repent* for the Forgiveness of Sin, when it comes to speaking of God.
    Even though to many, it only means a common changing of the mind! Just a play on words, but regret plays quite well for me. I quoted the NIV, and wonder what translation you have quoted? Maybe I’m getting back to the old,” I follow Apollos, who do you follow??
    Not my intention here, just wondering…. Gary :)

  31. baxterj says:

    I read a very relevant devotional today from Renew My Heart by John Wesley, called “Wise For Eternity”. I’m quoting some of his exact words: “Avoid outward expressions of anger, especially in speech. Beware also every inward emotion contrary to love,even though it goes no farther than your heart. Be angry at sin, as an affront to the Majesty of heaven, but still love the sinner, as did our LORD, who looked on the Pharisees with anger, ‘grieved for the hardness of their hearts’–grieved at the sinners; angry at sin. Be thus ‘angry and sin not.'” JESUS dealt with anger out of love for the sinner, and denounced the sin with wisdom. HE grieved for the sinner. We should also love and grieve for the sinner and be angry at their sin; thus we will not misuse/abuse anyone out of anger.

  32. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you all for your comments, a lot to think about.
    ANd guess what, today in our little church house group we were suddenly talking about anger.
    Someone brought up that we can describe our anger to God. Just a few weeks along, write down what makes you angry. And ask God to answer you about it. SOmeone had done that, and what happened: GOd told him, what you are angry about I am angry about too! And this was a great relief for him. SOmething touched his heart, it was God’s love, and he was free of fear for anger feelings.
    It is not my own testimony, and maybe I do get the clue wrong. But opening up to God what is in our heart may give great relief.

  33. BruceC says:

    dstone47,

    I can sympathize with that. I worked graveyard many a year. The rest of society runs days and it can fray ones nerves.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  34. thanqlord says:

    After I was incarcerated for expressing my rage at the wrong people (two PA State Troopers), the Lord brought me “to my senses” and restored me to Himself. He gave me His peace and I have had that peace ever since–Glory to God! I am bipolar, but the combination of medications and counseling never bridged the gap between the triggers and my exploding point; only the Lord working in me gave me that grace.

    He has shown me now that anger is not the problem, however, and that anger management is a myth. Anger is a symptom of a greater issue, usually that of a feeling of entitlement. We feel as though we are entitled to something, or that something that is happening in our lives shouldn’t be. Either way, we somehow believe that God is doing something unfair to us (very often unconsciously), and we act out in response to our beliefs.

    Our choice in the matter is to first recognize that He is Lord of our lives, that He is in absolute control, that he loves us completely and that He both knows and acts on what’s best for us. Everything that happens in our lives is designed specifically to draw us closer to Him. Therefore if a particular situation angers us, it is our responsibility to consider the situation in light of God’s nature and His disposition toward us. We really need to focus on His character as we take each step of our lives. When Paul said to “pray without ceasing,” he wasn’t kidding!

    Anger usually doesn’t just pop up out of nowhere; it almost always has roots in our past, our skewed way of thinking, and/or our pride. Any or all of these factors interfere with our relationship with God and our ability to live at peace in the world. We need to focus on the peace that resides within us–Christ Himself–in order to be at peace in this life. It is a foretaste of the life to come in eternity with Him.

  35. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you so much thanqlord! Entitlement, we think GOd has to do something. I recently read a study about Job, that GOd allowed circumstances happen to him, until Job came at a point where he was really angry at God.
    Anger towards GOd- we think He should do something, entitlement. Job’s assumption was that if he did what was right GOd had to bless him, and he thought it unfair that GOd didn’t.
    BUt that is exactly the place where GOd wanted Job to come, that these assumtions would get at the surface, and Job could face it.
    Now GOd could show Him who He really was, He is not a GOd of: you do something -I do something and vice versa.
    And Job’s eyes were opened: Job 42:5
    SO the anger was a useful tool to mold Job

  36. peacedove says:

    Any good self-help book will tell you that Anger is not a bad thing.It is a normal emotion.Properly used,it serves as a warning to us that something is not right.
    The problem is since birth,we have been taught all the wrong ways to deal with anger.
    So as adults,we have all these huge problems that now demand us to seek anger management courses.We fight back now instead of allowing our true emotions to take over.
    As for Saul…he always reminds me of a big kid that never grew up….am I wrong on that one???
    Jesus grew up in a loving Christian environment.Most of us don`t have that and as adults suffer for it.
    Thank you for including (women) as being in need of anger management.Men are not the only ones out there that need extra help in these troubling times.

  37. iualf says:

    All of these have been a great read Thanks! Having been an Anger Addict for many years, I have come to a place of Mercy & Grace. The cross is where I go, Redemption is my focus/response, looking beyond to the empty tomb, I have Hope & change. True Godly sorrow always brings forth a miraculous change as shown in David’s life, absent in Saul’s.
    One news story of late is that of Butler’s locker room after the ugliest loss in NCAA history. I was moved in reading it.
    New Life verse I Cor.16:13-14
    Sam

  38. STP says:

    It is great reading all the comments–much to chew on. One scripture keeps going thru my head…

    Eph. 4:26; “BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,”

    This seems to tell me that the anger isn’t wrong…it is what I do as a result of it popping up within. I must choose how to act in that moment. This is what the many comments have been speaking to–much to chew on.

    To what you all have said I am also thinking about what Chuck Swindoll has said…his words not mine.
    “Nothing touches me that has not passed through the hands of my heavenly Father. Nothing. Whatever occurs, God has sovereignly surveyed and approved. We may not know why, but we do know our pain is no accident to Him who guides our lives.
    Everything I endure is designed to prepare me for serving others more effectively. Everything. Since my Heavenly Father is committed to shaping me into the image of His Son, He knows the ultimate value of this painful experience. It is being used to empty my hands of my own resources, my own sufficiency, and turn me back to Him–the faithful Provider. And God knows what will get through to me.”

    So easy to read…so hard to live! The hardest part of this is making the right choice when anger shows up. When I say ‘much to chew on’ I mean turning my thought to Him. How to be that Romans 12 ‘living sacrifice’ before the anger runs away with me? The problem with me being the living sacrifice is that I seem to keep crawling off the altar.

  39. poohpity says:

    Also this morning from 1 Corinthians 3:3; for you are still carnal. For where there is envy, strife and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men. It brought to mind how children throw tantrums when they do not get what they what, when they want and how they want, also if they are not getting enough attention they get angry and cause strife and division. Still being spiritual babies they want to be noticed and celebrated as if they wanted all glory that belongs to God.

    Strength rather than anger is shown by self control. Anybody can react to any situation with anger those who are controlled by the spirit will be patient as David was waiting for the Lord to place him on the throne of Israel rather than killing Saul himself which he proved by the many opportunity’s he had.

  40. David says:

    This discussion hits me dead-center.

    In 1998, my wife and best friend of 18 years told me she no longer loved me and did not want to be married to me any longer.

    Shortly after, it was revealed that she was involved with our pastor, one of my closest friends and who I served with at our church as a deacon chairman. As our marriage ended, I was left feeling numb from the shock and pain.

    At this point, I began a downward spiral into depression marked by episodes of rage and out-of-control anger.

    For the next five years, I blamed (and raged inside) at God, my ex-wife, my former pastor, almost anyone close to me — for the wrenching pain that I felt. But, I hid this shame and “blame game” inside and wore a mask around my family, at work, and (especially) at church.

    During this time, I re-married and it was then that my internal rage began erupting outward as my wife and I attempted to blend our two families into one. My wife and three children suffered under my emotional and verbal abuse as I would turn my “white hot” anger on them one moment; only to turn “dead cold” the next moment.

    Finally, in 2003, I reached my crossroads of decision. I knew I faced two paths; one led downward to a life of bitterness, self-loathing, false shame, and despair. The other path was marked with pain, heavy-lifting, hard work, and gut-wrenching transparency, but it led to wholeness and healing.

    The Holy Spirit got my attention with the realisation that I was powerless to change on my own. I yielded to Him, put aside my pride, and entered professional counseling with a group of strong Christian men.

    As I humbled myself and became accountable to these men, God worked His healing miracle in my mind and heart. This would never have happened without my decision to give up control.

    Today, my mind is clearer and my heart is tender with the Lord’s forgiveness and mercy. God has led me to serve in a Celebrate Recovery group at my local church — and that is such a blessing to me.

    My Lord has healed me from my despair and shame. While I still do battle with those same emotions and anger today; I have victory and freedom in Jesus Christ.

    A key component of my healing is that I have Christian men around me; men involved in my life, who hold each other accountable. A man must be accountable to other men in recovery — it is impossible to walk honestly in recovery without those relationships. I would fail if I acted as a lone wolf.

    I will continue to walk in recovery for the remainder of my days here on earth. God never intended to remove me from these pains and heartaches; rather, His desire was to draw me closer to His heart through them.

    My dear brother Paul speaks for me in 2 Corinthians 12:8-10 (NIV):

    Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”

    Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

    That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

  41. poohpity says:

    David to me it is very admirable to see a male admit his weaknesses, not many do, and only then can there be change.

  42. randy07 says:

    The anger is simply the soul’s sensing of what has gone terribly wrong in this world…that we as a whole have given up on Our Lord and Savior and have given our lives over to the evil one in our materilaism, our selfishness and our greed, envy and pride. It is what it is.

    I was typing the last part of my last comment when I hit a wrong key and the comment box dissapeared. This used to upset me and spark a fit of anger. But now I just accept it and hope that both my comments will get posted.

  43. MikeBlitzMag says:

    The reaction – anger – seems to be well documented. What is perhaps not as obvious is the root cause for the bitterness. There are traditional factors that come into the picture, to be certain. But one suspects that the economic problems and the resultant weak employment market may also be playing a key role in the overall rise of anger issues in recent months. It certainly would not hurt to keep those affected by such developments in prayer!

  44. poohpity says:

    It would be nice if it were only recent months that anger has been on the rise but it has been a problem throughout history because of a lack of trust in God and blame. This morning I read the last 3 chapters of Judges and there was a lot of anger and blame so it started in Genesis and will remain until the end of time. As someone else stated anger is a natural human emotion it is what we do with it that counts.

  45. ipac says:

    and all acts of emotional abuse – devaluing or deliberately hurting the feelings of loved ones – are a failure of self-compassion.

    The purpose of this website “http://compassionpower.com” is to promote self-compassion and inspire dedication to your deepest values, both of which will heal the hurt that causes resentment and anger and leads eventually to abuse.”

  46. confidential says:

    Can you imagine if I went into a number of churches having a bingo hall and overthrew all of their long bingo tables? Can you imagine if I did that at least twice within a three year period and after doing it, took off my belt and suspenders and used them as a ‘whip’ to drive out the participants, including the ministers? That would be righteous anger and indignation wouldn’t it?

    Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
    Ephesians 4:26

    The ‘other’ kind of anger may involve demonic affliction or demonic oppression. This may require deliverance and removal of the demon powers.

    If it is just plain old ‘losing one’s temper’, than
    good old-fashioned repentance and making restitution with a resolution not to repeat the ‘activity’ might
    prove fruitful.

    How many are truly angry with sin? For example, how many ‘Christians’ will be angry with antisemitism and their attitude toward the Jewish people and the Holocaust of 6,000,000 Jewish innocents? Is that something to be angry about and to resolve to never let it happen again?

    Maranatha and God bless you

  47. ipac says:

    Sorry I do not know what happened to my post but here it is again.
    I have not read all the posts yet but wanted to pass on what the best help I have had and have seen when it comes to this issue of anger. As Dr. Steven Stosny states:

    “Since the experience of resentment or anger rarely improves and never heals, most resentment and anger and all acts of emotional abuse – devaluing or deliberately hurting the feelings of loved ones – are a failure of self-compassion.

    The purpose of this website “compassionpower.com” is to promote self-compassion and inspire dedication to your deepest values, both of which will heal the hurt that causes resentment and anger and leads eventually to abuse.

  48. jmw4grace says:

    Thank you so much ALL for your posts here. I have been struggling with anger a lot in my life and have repented so many times. I understand all of the reasons posted today, but still have to submit my agenda daily to God and ask for peace in His will met out in my life. As one post above stated its when we get far from God that we get angry. That’s so true for me. When I am not listening for Him, I assert my own ideals of what is right or just for my life. I sometimes am deluded into thinking that surely God does not want me to suffer at someone’s unjust behavior. But, indeed this is what He uses in order that He might be glorified in my life through me. We in this modern world tend to think like this world that suffering must be wrong everytime. Jesus did not turn back from suffering for the sake of His father. He only ever walked the other way when peoples’s hearts were stony. Father, give me the heart of Jesus for those who do injusttice on themselves, others, and me. Let me be a light in the darkness. Let me be identified in the sufferings of Christ. Plese be my portion in all things.

  49. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    peacedove,

    I read your comment from the previous blog subject.
    Don’t worry, sometimes even I think John Wayne won World War Two.

    Bob

  50. ladymother says:

    I don’t think the anger of today’s culture can be justified as spiritual indignation. What I have observed in myself, and others, is that this anger is rooted in offense. Being offended when others do not meet our expectations or agree with our views seems to be the norm of the 2000’s. With that, comes unforgiveness = anger. When you reherse the anger the root is strengthened, goes deeper and becomes almost impossible to overcome. How much offense/anger is rehearsed in blogs, radio, TV, in emails and on the telephone. I think the anger is rooted in unforgiveness, not fear…

  51. theresakp says:

    Frankly, I think women need “special help” in dealing with anger. Mostly because we have the added aggrivation of having to deal with the anger of men on top of our own personal frustrations.

  52. davids says:

    Sorry, I didn’t have time to read through all the comments. I read Mart’s blog yesterday and decided to reflect on it before commenting.

    I think that there is an important difference between anger and rage. Anger is a normal emotion, and as was pointed out, even Jesus felt angry on at least one occassion.

    Rage is an expression of anger that is unhealthy and sinful.

    My 15-year old daughter has been giving me problems. Earlier in the week, she disputed my authority to set boundaries. It brought out rage in me so that I led her physically by the arm to the stairs to send her to her room.

    Today she was picked up for shoplifting (first offense). On the way to the police station, I had time to reflect. I was angry. Was that ungodly? I don’t think so. It was tempered by my love and concern for her. It was not expressed by rage.

    I will say, by the way, that women often express their anger, not by rage, but by other ways that can also be very destructive.

  53. foreverblessed says:

    David, (there is someone else blogging here who is called Davids) what a great testimony, thank you for taking the time to write this. I would think that God was angry too when this happened. There is a woman in my housegroup who had experienced the same. While going on a trip with a christian group she was helped by a pastors wife very much, who supported her, gave her tools in accepting and forgiving. And a few years later the same thing happened to this pastors wife! What a terrible thing, I think GOd is enraged by it, but He doesn’t prevent us from sinning. There must be an outcome for the best in us all, the hurting partners and also the sinning partners.
    At the moment on the cross when Jesus cried: Father why have you forsaken me, all these sins were laid on Him.
    All the terrible discusting load of all.
    All alone He carried them.

    From there we go along further with Him.

  54. davids says:

    David (not me, davids), thank you for your powerfull witness.

  55. foreverblessed says:

    Davids, you are up late too! A just heard a lecture on Bach, and the Mattheus Passion.
    the centre of the bible is Jesus cross, but the centre of Bach peace is the sinning man, in the form of Peter denying Christ, and weeping bitterly, and then he hears Jesus voice again, speaking that he would deny Him.
    Christ had to come because man has fallen into sin, each in his own peculiar way, some in lying, some in stealing, some in having self pity, some in anger, Isaiah 53:6
    The person that sees his sin to the bottom of his being, THat is the person Jesus can use, because he knows how the Kingdom works: forgiveness of sins. All the glory to GOd who is mercifull and takes us out of the darkness into His light.
    Davids I have your daughter in my prayer, and you too. Seeing that we all have sinned in some way, and know that we have been redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice.

  56. poohpity says:

    ipac, Sometimes our posts get deleted when we go against the comment guidelines of posting other web sites but obviously yours made it through twice. :-)

    confidential, I would not even compare the money changers and those selling sacrifices to bingo, lol. Or you to Jesus’s zeal/passion about His father’s house but I guess you found a correlation. I think righteous indignation is what I feel when someone harms a child in anyway or an innocent person. I have a four inch scar on the back of my head from protecting a elderly gentleman from being beat up by a 23 yo boy who was mad because he lost a game and wanted to take it out on someone so he chose the least likely to fight back.

  57. bubbles says:

    What angers me very much is irresponsible PARENTING. I have children who come to school who tell me they went to bed at 3 AM. They are dirty, sleepy, and no one helped do homework with them. They want to sleep every day in class.

    Then, the parents get upset with ME because their child gets bad grades.But, yet, the parents NEVER help their child with their academics. It seems like parents/guardians expect schools to do everything for their child, and they do nothing. These children come to school with nothing–not even pencils, but yet, these households can buy Mountain Dew, beer, potato chips, and the extended cable package.

    I use my own money to buy pencils and paper and folders and crayons for the students. Many students expect to be given a new pencil every single day. If they don’t have a pencil, then I would get in trouble because the student isn’t working.

    Now, I am held accountable for how well these children perfom on tests? Because I cannot do anything about this, it makes me angry. People say to do the best you can do, and that is all one can do. Well, that is not enough when one is held accountable. It feels like we are being expected to work miracles.

  58. poohpity says:

    I have slapped my son’s in the face when they spoke to me very disrespectful and stood toe to toe with me in defiance and now am living to regret those decisions because I reacted to their behavior rather acting on them by choosing maybe to not give them rides when they asked or doing any other service when they asked. That was when they were 18 and 19 and I could have justified my behavior but it was wrong and I crushed their spirit by my reaction. It just caused more anger rather than teaching them anything, except mom can hit and loose her temper. Although they have not gotten into trouble legally it has harmed our relationship more than I would like to share.

  59. poohpity says:

    And I do not blame them at all.

  60. oneg2dblu says:

    Just to quantify anger in ourselves is very telling how many ways it can be incited, expressed and dealt with in a healthy way, or a very destructive way. It is all how we internalize it, and our outward response to it.
    If it causes us to sin, it is harmful, and must be repented of. If it causes us to be aware of a threatening situation, it could be very healthy.
    But, if it is not expressed, if it is held within,
    it can grow into a more powerful force against us.
    If it gets provoked again and again, it could be
    over processed, and even a little treapass of own’s
    authority, own’s sense of self protectedness, own’s inability to shoulder a responsibilty, or job, if we feel threatened about our personal space, we are all capable of lashing out in anger. After we have lost it,
    it is what we then do, that makes it forgiveable,or totally inexcusable, and only God can bring that Peace that can put out the fires that rage within.
    Today, if you go to the church and turn over the bingo tables, the result will be more than turned over tables, for the action is inexcusable and punishable by law! No matter how you feel, that would be a treaspass on another’s property! You would have sinned against man, and God, for acting out in that fashion, regardless of motive, sin has consequences. Gary :)

    Anger could become more than we can handle. If it is, we know it would not be of God, for He would not tempt us to sin, beyond what we can bare.

  61. specialfrog says:

    I was just sent this by my mom I am carefully reading each entry. My temper has cost me dearly. Recently I was let go of one the best paying jobs I ever had.

    I am only mentioning this to people out there who can learn from my mistakes. My anger issues are I recognise fight or flight reaction in essence fear. I lashed out (yes a self destructive rant rave and detruction). I did not turn to God till it was to late like Saul. Saul would turn to God only when he wanted something he would do thing his way and ignore Gods council then only in the end when everything was a mess then he would turn to God, instead of recognising his own failing and his own disobeying God he would blame everybody else and even God. Thats me right now. I have destroyed my own life now with my own inabilitry to turn to God and people who have reached out to me.

    I hope if you see yourself getting mad, vindictive, angry, lonely, frustrated, self absorbed or self obsessed you get help. All these are caused by not putting your self in the center of your life instead of God. I failed to do this and now must pay the price. I hope who ever sees themself in the posting will get help from the Lord and hoste.

  62. specialfrog says:

    The last paragraph should have been

    I hope if you see yourself getting mad, vindictive, angry, lonely, frustrated, self absorbed or self obsessed you get help. All these are caused by putting your self in the center of your life instead of God. I failed to do this and now must pay the price. I hope who ever sees themself in the posting will get help from the Lord and hoste.

  63. davids says:

    Specialfrog, thank you for the words of wisdom and experience. I think we can all learn from when our anger has led to destructive behavior.

    A beautiful spring here in northern Europe. Narcissus, tulips, apple, cherry and magnolias in bloom and blossem. Thank God in every season!

  64. davids says:

    Blossom?

  65. SFDBWV says:

    When Mart puts the topic out there on the monthly email list I tend to just back off and let all those new people have the stage and express their thoughts.

    I can add very little to what I have already said concerning why people get angry, and would find myself only repeating others or myself.

    Anger like any human emotion is something we all have experienced, and so can relate to what others have expressed.

    What is more important is what controls us. Sin in any form is a destructive force and like an infection can infect others as a result of coming into contact with it.

    Only the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit can offer us an escape from our own destructive nature. Very little is as destructive as is anger. As witnessed by the testimonies we have read above and from others we have ourselves witnessed.

    Self control is important but giving control over to God is what will lead us away from anger toward a peace that can surpass understanding.

    Choose love, and defeat anger.

    Steve

  66. foreverblessed says:

    Bloesem, in dutch. very very beautifull. You can look at it and inhale the new life, when we put our old self on the cross, right in the centre and die with Jesus, then His new life can come in. Our old self f.i. being the wrong handling of anger not giving it to God, but crawling of the altar (STP at 6 april, I had to laugh at that comment, yes, isn’t that what we do, we want immediate action from God, while He restrains His power)
    And yes, even if we are born again, there are still hidden parts in our lives that come to the surface, and they must be put on the cross,
    just do it….
    right in the middle…
    and die with Jesus…
    and accept the new life of Christ

  67. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Steve, oh, is that the reason why so many new people are here? Thanks all for commenting, and all the testimonies.

  68. SFDBWV says:

    Gary it is out of respect and common courtesy that I respond to your comment directed toward me 4-6-10:12am.

    I only quoted from scripture.

    In the English language we just don’t do well in expressing ourselves as well as some of the older languages.

    To repent means that you are sorry and not only sorry but that you do something about it. God repented and so took away Saul’s kingship and also removed His Spirit from him.

    Regret is an emotion that is not necessarily followed up with action.

    I choose not to look about the various new translations of scripture until I find one that I like. I stay with the one that for several hundred years has been the Word of God.

    As you pointed out to me,” it is a small point but small points add up”…So I give you back the exact sentiments.

    Have a nice Day

    Steve

  69. black422 says:

    I’m coming from a testimonial side of this issue. As a woman, I once had anger that I sooo hated. I married a man that also had alot of anger. We were both Christians but unsurrendered ones. In the past 11 yrs I have went through brokenness and have surrendered my life completely to Christ.I began to understand who I was in Christ and the exchange that had actually taken place at the point of salvation and the intimate love relationship that Christ desired to have with me. Everything began to change in my life!However, My husband had not surrendered his life at that time.He was a very angry man and life was very difficult at times.In April of 2008, he completely surrendered his life to Christ and I’m not kidding…everything changed!I have a completely new husband, very kind, just like Christ:) When we can’t control situations and people,we lash out in anger. We walk after the flesh. When we allow Christ to be our life and no longer self, we walk in the Spirit. Paul said it well when he said there is nothing good in my flesh. We have a choice to walk after the flesh or to walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5

  70. SFDBWV says:

    Black422, We will give thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus of Nazareth, through whom healing comes.

    Thank you for your praise report.

    Steve

  71. poohpity says:

    It would be wonderful if this topic will help us to look within at our own anger and the situations that cause it to arise. It would seem that it is hard for people to recognize why they are so angry if they do not own that they are.

  72. oneg2dblu says:

    ladymother… Unforgiveness is ket, as it is the fuel that feeds Anger into its more destructive forms. From simple discontent, growing into even hatred! From being unhappy with a person, to even wanting to kill them.
    As King Saul did, throwing his sword at David, and even doing it more than once!! Gary

  73. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… Wow! That was quite a thorough response, to everything about those two words, regret and repent. You never answered my question though, “What Translation are you using?” I almost “regret” asking that, and would have thought you were angry with me for doing so! Please repent… oops! I mean relent! Gary :)

  74. oneg2dblu says:

    Like all Sin, “Anger/Unforgiveness,” if repented of quickly, cannot grow into the more devistating forms.
    But, if it remains with in your ability to give it up to Christ and you don’t…. because your form of belief says you do not have to, Be Careful, that it does not grow into something worse. Something Satan can use to further separate you from ever Repenting Again.
    Paul warns us that we are not to “go on” sinning, and expect Grace for us, to be ever expanding, abounding
    Do not test the Lord your God, Repent while you still can, if “you know” that you are in living in sin. Gary

  75. oneg2dblu says:

    There must be a difference between “Christ Followers” who can Repent, and the rest of the world that goes on sinning!
    Oh Yeah! We can take all our troubles to the Lord, and if we really repent, He changes us, and there will be a change!
    Those who helplessly continue to live in sin, are not really repenting, they may be sorry, but nothing changes for them! Gary

  76. SFDBWV says:

    My apologies Gary, I had not realized you ask what translation I use. I use the King James Version. As well as the use of the Living Bible and the American Bible for Catholics in my bible studies as well as the Strong’s Concordance.

    I figure The King James worked well enough for the likes of Oswald Chambers and others; it should be good enough for me.

    Steve

  77. dust says:

    anger has plaged me for many years. It has taken alot of “being the wrong one” to come to a place of acceptance with grace. A couple of weeks ago i was trying to be quite inside and i heard I HATE YOU come bubbling up inside me. My best friend and I talked about it and alot of pain and hurt i went through growing up was dealt with. i pray psalm 37:7 every night and during the day now and i am learning to let go and let God do it on a deeper level. How many levels to go i do’nt know but Jesus does and He loves me so and I love him so.

  78. plumbape says:

    Gary are still harping about sinnig, repenting and being saved but losing salvation if we go on sinning or go on being the no good sinners that Christ came to save. You must be an expert on this subject…?

  79. peterpugliese says:

    Looking back to King Saul we often think about his insecurities, but do we consider his self – righteousness? Saul was chosen as king, but what was the reasoning behind his appointment? Wasn’t it to give the people what they had ask for rather than fulfilling God’s will? How does this relate to us? Consider Saul’s disobedience when he acted prematurely presenting the burnt offering at Gilgal (1 Sam 13: 7b-13). The passage speaks of fear, but don’t you believe it was more about him than anyone, or anything else? He performed the function of the prophet Samuel. What right did he have to do so? In verse 13 Samuel calls Saul a fool due to his disobedience. Contrast Saul’s behavior with us today, what do we seek – the desire to glorify God, or the approval of men? When the latter influences us more than our desire to be right with God we are setting ourselves up as Saul did. It was about men and what they thought of him, and so it is for us. When we desire the world what’s the result? Discouragement, disappointment, anger, frustration, etc. all the things Satan deires for us in order to entice us away from where we need to be which is in the Lord’s will. So, as we think about why we act in ways that are not pleasing to God, and we find ourselves questioning based on our personal wants and desires, let’s not get hung up on the things of the world. Turn to the Lord, ask Him to meet you where you are. He will provide clear direction, if our hearts are right with Him. Does this mean we will not experience seasons of uncertainty, surely not, but when we do we will know who is leading. God provides us with insights the world can’t understand. It’s when we are open to receive the peace that passes all understanding that our life in Christ becomes more real to us. Are we willing to allow this to happen?

  80. davc says:

    When I was in therapy I learned that one source of anger is depression.

  81. poohpity says:

    peterpugliese, AMEN!!!!!

    davc, when I counsel folks I educate them that suppressed anger causes depression. To find the source of anger is the key to breaking it’s hold to both and with the Lord filling us with His spirit will begin the healing process.

  82. elwoody says:

    Anger

    A few brief thoughts

    There any many things to be angry about and many factors cause this anger. As you mentioned in your article, perhaps fear is at the top of most of our lists. But jealousy, covetousness, self-centeredness, etc (see II timothy 3:1-10) are just a partial list.

    I’m still learning that only Christ and the word of God helps me with my anger. “Don’t let the Sun go down on your anger” (Help Lord).

    It also takes prayer and communication with one another (Matthew 18:15-20)

  83. elwoody says:

    Just another quick thought on this. Neither Saul or David where under the New Covenant that Jesus taught. Their excuses for allowing anger to get the best of them cannot be the same as ours.

    We need to teach men that the real challenge of being a follower of Christ is the love challenge. Men need to learn to love as Jesus did. I’ve found that most anger comes our of relationship issues and relationship issue can be resolved by the love of God in Christ.

    I Corinthians 13:8 says, “Love (God’s love) never fails”.

  84. phpatato says:

    I had posted something on Why we are angry. It’s floating through cyber-space somewhere.

    Let me just say then that Bubbles, you and I are experiencing an anger that is the same but different in a way.

    Frustration is the root cause of mine and because there is a lack of common sense in today’s world, along with the usual lack of care and concern, I can’t see it being alleviated any time soon.

    My poor poor dad :-(

  85. sher says:

    I think people are angry because they find themselves in situation that doesn’t match their expectations and causes them to feel hopeless.

  86. sher says:

    Just as in Saul’s case he found himself in a position (2nd best)he’s not accustomed to and refused to accept.

  87. foreverblessed says:

    Sher, you are right, a situation in which people feel hopeless.
    Sometimes this is related to doctrines.
    That’s why there is so much anger in churches about doctrines.
    I would like to write about my old church, an ofspring from the seventhday adventist church, who keep the 7 th day holy.
    16 year ago the doctine about the 4 th commandment, “you shall keep the sabbath holy” was changed.
    Many people, at least half of the church turned angry, very angry. And they thougth their anger was justified, “because a holy law of God was trampled with feet of men, who think they can change God’s laws. If you start changing one thing then nothing is sure any more”.
    For some reason God had been gracious to me, and had a year before this happened given me a scripture Galatians 4:10-11, which cut me deep in the heart, suddenly this verse stared me in the face, and from then on I started asking God what He meant by that. So that when the doctrine changes came, I was relieved for the answer it gave to me.
    After that I was quite unsure, and prayed an prayed to God, that what it was that was the essential thing in being a christian, since I would not like to waste my time any longer:
    It is faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of GOd, who came to earth to rescue us from the world of darkness, through faith in His cross, and giving their hearts to Him, and walk with Him.
    Finally I saw that the Sabath rest was Jesus Himself, we rest and live an move our being in Him all the time, the whole week long, everything I do or think is in His glory. He is Holy. Not on keeping days holy.

    My faith is not grounded on doctrines anymore, but on Jesus Himself, the Rock on which I stand.

  88. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… thanks. I see you have a Strong foundation, I like Strong’s as well. Oswald Chambers, he was a Gifted Leader from God for sure, as we are still being blessed by his contribution. My first, “purchased for myself, Bible” was the Living Bible. I was a baby Christian and needed much formula, but soon grew up into the NIV that my first church used for their teaching. It became my mainstay. I find ther King James & NKJ a little harder for my personal taste, but those who were weened on it never seem to change!! My Pastor quotes from the NLT so often, that I use it for my daily devotions, unless I’m able to be on the ODB site, then I suckle to my shear delight on whatever they feed me! :)

  89. anne4jc says:

    Four responses (to SFDBWV, bernhe, David not Davids, theresakp), plus my thoughts.

    Steve SFDBWV, I offer this opinion as a former police officer (1985-1990). Although I’m sure many people have killed in defense with anger, I don’t believe the two go hand-in-hand. My decision to take a life was made the day I put on the badge. I wished to kill no one (and was never forced to). But I also knew that if the situation called for me to shoot, I had to be prepared to shoot to kill. My decision was intellectual, not emotional. And the choice would lie not with me, but with the criminal whose actions required my response.

    bernhe, I agree that Saul was insecure. He looked to the people for his affirmation rather than to God, as all of us must. That need to be respected and valued? I think for men it is more the need for respect, and for women it is more the need to be valued that drives our fear. (See my thoughts on male and female responses to fear, below.)

    David, I give God praise for the testimony He has given you, whatever incredible pain to obtain it. I wish the issue of white hot / dead cold anger was addressed more often. The person who expresses dead cold anger and believes the anger has been suppressed deceives him- or herself. Thank you for calling “dead cold” anger what it is.

    theresakp, I counsel many women and see exactly what you’re speaking of. It would be nice if we could simply tell ourselves not to take on our husbands’ anger. (This doesn’t apply to the other men in our lives, when we bear their anger as well as our own.) When we are one flesh with a man, how can his anger—or any other emotion—not be part of us? To distance ourselves from his emotions puts distance in the marriage. While cultivating the dependence on God which imparts strength for the burden, we have little choice but to share the experience of a husband’s emotion, even if we don’t share the emotion itself.

    My own thoughts? (My thanks to anyone who’s still listening.) I mean to condense, not oversimplify, when I observe that the strong emotions behind anger often involve fear of vulnerability. I think men often fear being perceived as weak and unworthy of respect, and suppress the fear by covering it with anger. Perhaps they believe anger looks strong and invulnerable. I think women are more likely to fear that their vulnerability makes them (or their children) susceptible to some injury or loss, especially the loss of relationship. Their fear of vulnerability drives a need to take control, which can be expressed in a myriad of ways besides anger.

    Anger management has limited value unless one also discerns what motive drives the anger.

  90. oneg2dblu says:

    plumbape… thanks, and yes, I am an expert on being a sinner. I perfected it pretty much for forty-seven years, until the day the Lord showed me His Grace, and His better plan for my life.
    Part of my training prior to being Born Agsin, was getting off of addicting chemicals, like smoking. In that training I very quickly learned that, one can loose precious ground, and even all, by not guarding yourself, not resisting that next temptation,where falling right back to where you were, comes quickly if you ever give in.
    I always say, I’m just one cigarette away, from addiction again! Been there, done that!
    So, I just avoid that next one, and I’m doing fine now for over 30 plus years. So, that Chemical Dependency is not “my problem” any longer. I actually avoid it, this thing calledf second hand smoke, whenever I possibly can.
    Now, as far as Grace is concerned… by also being trained by God Himself, through His Word, and His Holy Spirit, “AND,” my doing everything possible to keep my consceince clear, where both of us, “working together” in relationship to the world around us, being so filled with deception, and sin’s ever calling, Have me!, goes unsanswered because, I deny sin, having within me the Holy Spirit, and a God-given Discernment, to recognize sin in even its most crafty design.
    Even being enticed to rash responses, I say only this,
    “Get Behind Me Satan, I’m not talking about you plumbape, but “temptation knocking” at,whenever I see something that appears to be in conflict with the teaching He has given me. Grace allows me to Conquer Sin, not bask and live in it without restraint, and also unfearing.
    That would be some other “Doctrine,” than the one I’ve been taught. Be Blessed! Gary :)

  91. vcar1 says:

    I have read so many great comments and perspectives and rather than offer my insight on the reasons, causes, and results of anger I felt led to just implore all of us to put a watch over our hearts daily as the Bible tells us that the ” heart is deceitfully wicked” and ” who can understand it”. It is in a daily submission to the Lord that we can crucify the flesh that gets angry and demands it’s own way. The only remedy out there is Jesus and we need to lean on Him and not our own understanding. We can be changed from the inside out as we renew our minds with the Word. Habits and wrong propensities can drop off us and we can take on the mind of Christ. There is no quick fix for anger but a determination to live through His strength can result in mindsets and strongholds beginning to change and leave respectively. Help us Lord if we think we can live this Christian walk independent of God’s grace. He said if we would call to Him He would answer and show us mighty things. Lord as you show me more of myself may I surrender more fully to you. As our Spirits surrender may we find great restoration of ourselves and of relations with others.
    V. Caraotta

  92. elwoody says:

    Why are we so angry?

    Biblical answer: Romans 2:8-10, “But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

  93. hamer says:

    The comparisons between Saul and David are valid and so are the conclusions drawn.
    The answer to the question is simple yet when mixed with human thinking and emotion complex.
    The question why are we so angry?
    Simply put, could the answers could be 1. No relationship with God. 2. A relationship started that is as all ours are under construction. 3. A relationship started or even in progress yet the gifts, those which God has given through The Holy Spirit have not been received, unwrapped or assembled. So our work is set before us as each harvest ripens and each season has a harvest.
    As far as men and women go he has a point like Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus.

  94. poohpity says:

    hamer, #3 was so right on and it brought a smile to my face. Never quite heard that way before but so true. :-)

  95. poohpity says:

    Never quite heard it put that way before but so true.

  96. blackmoncynthia says:

    I actually have given this thought before reading this. I believe that we as humans are really not lovers of ourselves as we ought to be. God wants us to love Him above all, love ourselves and then love others as ourselves. We are really incapable of loving ourselves without the help of the Holy Spirit who gives us capabiliy to do all things. Anger accounts for a multitude of sin that comes from it. The only way to curve anger is to be focused on the Holy Spirit that lives within the believer.

  97. poohpity says:

    David was angry a lot but he expressed it to God and trusted God enough to know that he could handle it which often transformed in to praises. I believe we are called to be peacemakers and if we give God our anger it will leave us open to establish peace.

  98. oneg2dblu says:

    blackmoncythia… yes, Always God first, and then… I also feel, that if we condemn ourselves, instead of loving that same part of us the Holy Spirit dwells in, we loose out on the ablity to Love Others, as the Holy Spirit loves us! It is not human love that conquers all, but God’s Love, “Agape Love” that conquers all!
    You are correct, because, Only in Christ can we love as we should, completely, and without condemning others. In His Love, Gary

  99. ALAN says:

    I am retired… So, I should be stress free… WRONG!!

    I believe that the anger people are feeling today comes from stress. Today’s world is filled with stress… job, finances, marriages, children, and that’s only if you’re working, married, & have a family. I think know matter your situation, we ALL have stress, of some type… even retired & financially secure. We (my wife & I) worry… about our sons & their wives & of course our granddaughters too.

    Our stupid society tells everyone, “you need more things”… the next generation computer, phone, etc.
    It is an endless RACE!! To always have more, the newest
    & coolest…haha What a joke. THINGS never made anyone truly happy.

    But, I believe, PRAYER can relieve stress. My wife & I pray almost daily for our children, grandchildren, and many others as well… My prayer has been for wisdom & peace… and only GOD, thru Christ can give this…
    This is MY belief.

  100. maxine gilliam says:

    I believe that people are so angry because they know that its more to life than what they see; but there is no one to show them what needs to happen. I believe Jesus was sad for the people because they were without hope;like sheep without a shepherd. That is what we are seeing now. Scattered sheep, without a shepherd (a holy and righteous shepherd) to lead them.
    Another reason for anger is unforgiveness. Many, today, refuse to forgive; therefore that root of bitterness sets in and when it takes hold of us we become very angry.
    We really need the Grace of God and His Mercy, around about now, don’t we. That’s what I been thinking.

  101. poohpity says:

    Sure do miss these types of quality conversations we used to have.

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