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Bin Laden, Tornadoes, and Tsunamis

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Today US forces are claiming victory in the death of Osama Bin Laden. His body, according to government forces, has been buried at sea.

The New York Daily News is marking the event  with the headline  “ROT IN HELL”.

Yet, for all of the celebratory drinks that will be downed today, and as good and needful as it is for dangerous people to be stopped, this could be a sobering moment for followers of Christ.

On one hand, the Scriptures say that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11). So the angels in heaven probably aren’t smiling today the way they do when one lost person has a change of  heart and finds life (Luke 15:7).

In addition, who can rightly suppose that the world is now a safer place? We still are living with a real Satan, his invisible legions, and countless sympathizers who are unknowingly playing into the greatest of all rebellions (2Tim 2:24-24; James 3:6). We still have catastrophic acts of nature that insurance companies  call acts of God.

And how will the death of the elusive leader of Al Qaeda give comfort to those among us who have been left with the wreckage and loss of one of the most devastating outbreaks of tornadoes in our nation’s history? How will the people of Japan view this breaking news as they contemplate the aftermath of the earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear disasters that have claimed 20,000 loved ones?

On top of and beyond all of this, we are also left with another strange and disturbing fact. The same losses that prompt some to want to curse God and die, cause others to fall on their knees and find life.

Yet, my guess is that if any of us had a chance to be God for a day we wouldn’t choose to knowingly let terrorists, tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis (and countless other acts of evil and destruction) multiply loss, and inconsolable grief.

But imagine, for a moment what would happen to the spirituality of the world, if nothing bad were allowed to happen for one year… if all danger was suddenly lifted… and if all fear was suddenly gone…

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We’ve only lived a few years, and yet how many stories could we tell about how the best times in our lives brought us to our knees… and kept us there?

Have also been thinking about what to make of the fact that God allowed Satan to use a windstorm to break Job’s heart and to test his faith…before the LORD, himself, finally spoke out of another violent storm… to bring Job to a place of surrender and peace (Job 1:19 ; 38:1)


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  1. rxman says:

    Mart,

    I was thinking along the same lines this morning when I read about Bin Laden’s death. My American in me said YES,HE’S DEAD!, but my spirit in me said,I wonder what his spirit is thinking now. And I think you’re right when you say that the angels in heaven are sad, just as they are whenever someone has turned their back on Jesus and denied him and died.

    Your other comment about tragedy in our lives also struck a chord with me. In my own times of greatest personal troubles is when I have felt closest to God. When things seem to be sailing along fine, I seem to forget who has provided for all of it. God help me.

  2. BruceC says:

    Mart,

    I was glad to hear the news; but shortly thought along the lines that you did. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Seen many WWII vets on TV history shows and none were happy about the taking of the enemy’s life. They were happy that it ended and they went home.
    I too will be happy when “it has ended” and I get to go “home”.
    We must remember that catching Capone didin’t stop organized crime, killing Pablo Escobar didn’t end the war on drugs, and winning WWII did not bring lasting peace. No; all these “victories” are temporary until the King gets the final and eternal victory which has already been set in stone.
    If we were to bask in unending success and prosperity we soon would forget God and take the credit ourselves and allow that first sin of pride to rule our lives.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Osama Bin Laden is only a man; his death is only noteworthy because he was an evil man who used his abilities to bring death to others all in the name of his religion.

    It is his religion that is the evil and with the death of this one man the evil of his religion will not end.

    If you want to discuss calamity with the evil actions of men, where then do you focus your wrath?

    There is more in heaven and earth than dreamt of in our philosophy. And more to learn of God and of mans purpose.

    Satan is but an angel who thought he to be special; he has no creative power and can do nothing without permission from God.

    It is God we are to fear, and nothing nor any power anywhere, not even in heaven or earth.

    For only God possess the power over your soul.

    I can not celebrate the death of this one man, it is like trying to kill out the weeds in your yard one weed at a time, as soon as you kill one, two more pop up.

    Steve

  4. MomB says:

    I remember the day that Hussein was hung. I remember seeing him with the koran in his hand and facing eternity outside of Christ. I felt a sublime feeling of sadness for him too. I know he sowed what he reaped, but I do remember that sense of somberness. It’s very difficult not to judge people for the evil that cause so many people to become victims of, especially when they voice it as Bin Laden had always did. I only pray that the joy of the American people will not fuel the fire that lives in the hearts of the enemies of not only America but Jesus himself. Now more than ever, we need to pray for Mercy and Grace upon the world.

  5. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I hope Mart doesn’t mind, but I have just copied my comment from the last subject that I entered early this morning UK Time.
    As for the natural disasters? I guess it is hard to say. Supprisingly we have heard very little about your Tonadoes over here, or maybe I have been too busy and missed the coverage. I have been in Kansas in the Tornado season and it is quite scary.
    Mart is right about some turn to God in times of trouble and some turn against Him. Maybe God allows theses things to happen to bring us to our knees and lean on Him until we get like Paul and are content in every situation, good and bad.

    Bob

    Let’s keep calm about The Death of Osama Bin Laden.
    I remember those scenes of cheering in the middle east when the Twin Towers fell.
    People are already gathering at the White House.
    If we celebrate his death then we are as bad, if not worse, than those who celebrate 9/11.
    There will be serious repercussions to his killing by US forces.
    We are different, we are to LOVE our Enemies!

    Bob

    Deb, I will be praying for your son.
    Our worship leaders son has been away with Team Challenge in Wales, first he gave his heart to Jesus then he was baptised in the Holy Spirit.
    The next day he phoned his mum and said “Mum, all the anger has gone!”

    Knowing him as I do that is a mirracle and Jesus will do the same for your son.
    Love You!

  6. Dinakar says:

    Most of us think in terms of LAW – Judgement – enforcement / punishment this comes as a second nature to us. On the other hand Christ always talks of LOVE.
    Through all the instances of Earthquakes, Tornadoes and the terror acts of Bin Laden, God is only searching for people who use such an opportunity to love a fellow man.

    Come Judgement day I am sure God would ask of us for every opportunity to love that we let slip past us.

  7. florida7sun says:

    It’s going to be a beautiful day.

    My thoughts this morning take me back to the Garden of Eden and the Lord’s command to Adam, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

    Each day brings enough trouble of its own. We are besieged with war, famine, disease and pestilence; anger and hatred; abortion and lust; gluttony and pride; envy and strife; death and destruction; pain and despair; fear and depression.

    Yet He loves us, and we see His Redemption in all who love the Lord Jesus.

    Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden so they would not eat from the Tree of Life in their sinful state. Each day’s news brings new knowledge of good and evil throughout the world. We sense evil all around us; even in our own homes, as the evil one seeks to kill and destroy.

    In the storms of life though, we also see Our Savior, living in those who love Him… all who have received His Pardon for disobedience by accepting His Sacrifice on another tree of life, His Cross.

    No one can live the Christian life. Christ living in us is our abundant life and the hope the glory.

    He lives. I can attest to that; and we shall live with Him forever, free of evil in all its manifestations.

    Blessed day to all, Ray

  8. joemk says:

    Mart, I have to admit my excitement when I heard the breaking news this morning of Osama bin Laden’s death. The thought of God’s love for sinners didn’t cross my mind. why, because this is a man who has almost single handedly exemplified evil – after 9/11 the world literally changed! so much evil has been done across the world in the name of terrorism – the wars, the deaths, the torture (Guantanamo), the hatred, suspicion and the list goes on. and so a part of me this morning felt, oh thank God, and my little prayer was God, please may you through this death bring healing to the world, bring your love to replace the hatred. and I hope that his alleged death will bring a sense of closure to all the evil around terrorism. will evil end in the world, ABSOLUTELY NOT, but at least, I hope, a reduction in the hostility among people across the globe that has been built around terrorism. I am still celebrating!

  9. florida7sun says:

    The number eight in the Bible has significant meaning.

    It’s interesting that Osama Bin Laden ended his earthly existence 8 years to the day President Bush spoke on the USS Abraham Lincoln under the banner “Mission Accomplished.”

  10. gphood says:

    I’m rejoicing, not in the fact of Bin Laden’s death, but in the idea that his death at the hands of American Special Forces personnel brings closure for our nation, at least on that chapter.
    I’ve been wrestling with what God thinks of Bin Laden’s death. In the old testament, the Jews were used as instruments of judgement to rid the promised land of peoples who worshipped other gods, sacrificing their children to Moleck.
    God is love, but he is also about justice and setting things right. Did God orchestrate this turn of events to carry out justice?

  11. oneg2dblu says:

    I must admit that the “news of this death,” brought no sense of victory in my being. My victory over death comes only through Christ alone!
    Evil will just find “this event,” as another way to fuel its desire, to Hate. There will be no end to it in our life time, short of the Second Coming.
    When we will be caught up in the clouds, that is Our Victory Forever!
    Sad day to see so much revelry over the death of that one symbolic figure, why give (him) all that glory.
    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, is not justice,
    but only appears just, to those who do not know better!
    I pray that Our Nation’s Leader doesn’t use this as a Feather in his cap! Because his lemmings will fall into it, even if it means, that trying to get even with Evil only becomes a certain Death to America also!
    Only love can Conquer this deceptive kind of victorious retaliation. Only Christ can bring that kind of love
    into the heart of corrupted man! May God Bless Us All!
    “O death, where is your victory, where is your sting?”
    Gary

  12. poohpity says:

    Joe Stowell said it so well in today’s ODB; “In essence, Jesus is telling us that the way God knows we love Him is by how we treat people. All of them. Let’s face it—loving our neighbor can be a challenge. But when we do it to express our love to God, we unleash a powerful motivation that loves whether the person deserves it or not”.

    That reminded me of Matthew 5 and more specifically v43-48; “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    UBL is gone but there will be another to take his place because they hate. They hate the west and faith but most of all they hate the God we worship. How will we ever show them something different unless we are different than they are. Where hate and anger are we show love not because of anything else but because we love God.

  13. poohpity says:

    Thank you Bob and you are loved very much from here too!!:-)

  14. nezzar says:

    poohpity

    Well said I agree with you that we can’t show them Jesus unless we are different. The bible also says “do not revel in the misfortune of your enemies.” But it also says there is a time to kill Ecc 3:3 I know that this is not a popular position in Christian Circles, but can anyone argue that the only way to stop Hitler was to kill him and if need be his military too. Saddam as well, and now Bin Laden. They were given time to repent, but God’s patience ran out. Their deaths didn’t bring back anyone they killed, but it did bring freedom to those who were oppressed. Even the Germans were oppressed by the Nazi government, as well as the Iraqis by Saddam. Bin Laden does not represent any country, but fear and intimidation around the world. No we should not celebrate his death, but the freedom and lifting of oppression in it’s wake.

  15. poohpity says:

    nezzar, there are folks that have been given a job of defense in our military but that is not my job. oooh rah!

  16. oneg2dblu says:

    nezzar… the freedom and lifting of oppression?
    Unfortunately, your great thoughts although commendable, do not equal great actions.
    Unless, we are talking about something other than the results of taking out this Evil man, but something like the Love of Christ instead!
    If we could only show the rest of the world what “That Love” is, we could conquer even this Evil.
    But, unfortunately we Americans, are seen to be just like them, as we dance in the streets just as they did, when they took our lives and freedom from us!
    A Tough sell… this “love other’s,” when you see how we reacted!
    It is nice to know that one less evil man exists in this dark world, but the Parade of Joy, is obnoxiuously
    human at best!
    When will we rise above? When we are gathered in the clouds, and not one moment before, for we remain human!

  17. don4jc1 says:

    Except for the Grace of Almighty God there go you and I.
    Nothing else need be said.

  18. handmaidenclb says:

    The issue is sometimes as believers it takes a minute to remember which Kingdom we really belong to. We should not rejoice in anyone going into a Christ-less eternity but because we do live in the world we are glad when evil is snuffed out. There could be someone waiting “in the wings” more full of HATE and treachery! We must pray! Do we really understand the hatred for Christianity? Today’s devotion was so right on time. May LOVE overcome hatred and evil.

  19. xrgarza says:

    Mart, I agree with you, Had we captured him 10 years ago, I think that the world would have had some sort of sense of security, But 10 years seems too late to offer any kind of security, because Bin Laden has had 10 years to expand his cause. His followers now see him as a martyr, a much greater reason to retaliate.

    The Bible tells us to put on the whole armor of God so that we can withstand the wiles of the devil; we all need to be on high alert spiritually and physically.

    Rocky

  20. poohpity says:

    I was thinking if I am completely honest with myself I do not understand the “why’s” to a lot of things like what Job had to go through or earthquakes or tornadoes or tsunamis or fires or any other disasters. I do not understand a lot of things in the OT when it comes to stoning, plagues, rules, wiping out entire populations and many other things.

    I do not understand a lot of things and I do not think when I get to heaven I will even want to ask God about the “why’s” because I think that is our human condition to put blame on someone or something to reason away suffering. When I think about finding those answers I lose my joy and am open to doubt. I must trust God even when I do not understand.

  21. peterpugliese says:

    Mart,
    As I read your title on today’s blog it I find myself looking at these events from a surreal point of view. When I think about the devastation in Japan and then watch the unfolding of events in the southern U.S. my heart goes out to those affected by these disasters. What is encouraging is how recovery and rescue efforts take hold and a common bond brings people together. In the midst of it all the Christian community is doing its part by joining together with other relief agencies and doing the work that needs done as well as sharing Christ in ways that might otherwise not occur. Now we read of Bin Laden’s death and the relief many are feeling due to his demise. Yes this needed to happen and in God’s time it did, but what I think is happening is that many are grabbing hold of a false hope. Bin Laden’s death is not the end of evil. Someone will rise to the occasion and replace him. I’m sure that the 9/11 families are finding the events of the day something well deserved for a man who brought on so much pain and suffering, but I believe many of them have experienced healing long ago as they brought their loss, pain and hurt to the throne room of grace where the King of kings and Lord of lords provided what they needed; comfort, compassion and the peace only He can offer. Yes, this is an historical day for this nation and for many it brings a sense of relief. My prayer is that the Spirit of God would come upon those still hurting and upon those who are bitter and angry. I pray that true healing would occur in their lives, the healing only Christ can provide. We know that we at war with evil, how do we fight the fight apart from God? He provides the inner strength to see life from His perspective and to engage others with each new day.
    Pete

  22. bratimus says:

    I feel more mournful over this, then cheerful.

    Not mourning the lost of the man OBL, but the soul that belonged to God. And how many more souls that will be lost from the teachings or the way of this man.

    How do we testify or minister to these people so that they might turn to Christ and be saved from the second death.

  23. gphood says:

    As I’ve read comments here and elsewhere today I see wisdom and truth in both sides of the argument, and there is scripture that backs up both points of view. So which side is right? I think both sides are. As a nation we can’t sit back and simply allow terrorist activities to go on. We also have to take opportunities to show Christ’s love when we can.
    As with abortion, gay marriage and other issues, we battle to legislate against those things, all while sharing the love of God with those we come across who hold the opposite viewpoint.
    We have to be careful that our true motives are for justice, not vengance, and that justice is carried out by those God has put in place for that purpose.

  24. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    At the end of the day, as it is here, God is in Charge and all this is happening in His timing.
    No coincidence that the middle east is in turmoil with polictical unrest and no coincidence that both the east,Japan, and the west,USA, are suffering natural disasters.
    I am no expert and hardly know where to start looking, but I know that everything that is happening to us, both in a personal sense and on a global scale, is in God’s Word.
    All we need is to rest and trust in Him and beleive His Word.
    Like I said this morning, we are to love our enemies. but most of all we are to Love our Father as was said in the ODB reading today.
    “In as much as you have done it to the least of these you have done it to Me”
    That applies to the bad as well as the good things we do for and to each other!

    Bob

  25. poohpity says:

    I heard the opinion of a man who’s brother died in the twin towers of 9/11. His thoughts were even after that horrible event he felt that going to war was an extreme decision for the US. For the three thousand lives lost it resulted in thousands of more lives being lost, financial costs soaring for the military and more problems with surrounding nations. So the aftermath continues ten years and maybe further into the future. He stated that he would have rather lost his brother then got on with his life not seeking revenge but mourning the loss of those loved.

    He was the first one I have heard put it all in that context and to me it was very refreshing to hear it put like that and it really made me ponder the whole situation a bit more clearly. I wonder if our nation would have healed quicker and the financial state of our country would not have been better. Can not do anything about it now, it was just a thought.

  26. mercedes says:

    I often wonder if there are people that are beyond redemption. I can intelectually understand the “need to kill” Bin Laden, but I wonder if he could have been redeemed. It is very sad to see how Satan has deceived so many souls. This faces us with the need to continue to try to be light to so many that are in darkness.

  27. bratimus says:

    As i read the title of this topic, a thought comes to mind.

    Which one is not like the others?

    2 are nattural disasters and one is a disasterist man.

    the one fact that we know the the 3 have in common is how man will use the crisis or disasters to promote certian agendas.

    Can any of these be used to bring the lost to Christ, which for Christians is the number one agenda.

    These disasters can be used as warning that the end is near, fear tactics domn’t work to bring the lost to Christ.

    We got ride of a devil we knew, what about the devil we don’t know?

  28. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Off topic…
    Hope your day was good. Had Jury duty today, and, thankfully, I didn’t have to serve, though I would have been willing to (after I found out that it would only be for one day). My son, Matthew, is 20 years old today. I know I’m truly blessed to have him in my life.

    I agree with your comment, Mart… “We’ve only lived a few years, and yet how many stories could we tell about how the best times in our lives brought us to our knees… and kept us there?”

    It was the best times in my life, it was the worst times that brought me to my knees and kept me there. I don’t believe I would be as disciplined and committed to prayer if I had not gone through the dark, valley situations in my life. My situation reminds me on a daily basis of my GREAT need for the LORD’s help, guidance, mercy and grace! And when I’m on my knees praying for myself/my situation, it’s a reminder to pray for others.

    It rained really hard last night and almost all day in Texas(50 degrees right now).

  29. Regina says:

    correction: “It *wasn’t* the best times…”

  30. royalpalm says:

    The death of Osama Bin Ladin should remind us that he founded Al Qaeda In order to achieve its goal of
    establishing its version of Islamic rule across all Muslim territory and fight to expand them.. His ultimate goal is to establish a global Islamic Empire.Here are some quotes from the ADL Terrorism site and Wikipedia:

    Al-Qa’ida’s goal is to “unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs.” Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. (ADL: Terrorism)

    The radical Islamist movement in general and al-Qaeda in particular developed during the Islamic revival and
    Islamist movement …To restore Islam, … a vanguard movement of righteous Muslims was needed to establish “true Islamic states”, implement sharia, and rid the Muslim world of any non-Muslim influences…

    Notes of a meeting of bin Laden and others on August 20, 1988, indicate al-Qaeda was a formal group by that time:
    “basically an organized Islamic faction, its goal is to lift the word of God, to make His religion victorious.

    Ultimately, Al Qaeda hopes to join all of these separate Islamic governments to resurrect the Islamic empire, known as a caliphate, that would rule all Muslim lands and fight to expand them.”

    Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda are instruments of Satan who is using people to accomplish his purpose of establishing his own empire that is against God. Because his days are numbered, Satan will keep on trying with cruelty and severity, using “religion” its banner.But we know that he will not succeed…As God revealed through Daniel, the kingdom God will establish will replace all kingdoms and will never be destroyed…

    Dan.2:44-45 “And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be
    destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these
    kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

    45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the
    iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold— the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”

  31. SFDBWV says:

    I am reminded this morning about Saul and Samuel; we read in 1 Samuel 15 about Saul sparing Agag’s life as well as simply not obeying the directives from God.

    The OT is filled with evil kings and rulers, murders and people filled with a desire to enforce their evil upon others.

    In this story of Saul, we see that Saul is rejected of God his kingdom given to another, and king Agag killed for his offence against the people of God.

    Many other evil kings and even an evil queen met the same fate, because they came up against the will of God and chose evil over love.

    Who wept for the likes of Agag or Jezebel? Only the followers of their evil influence.

    I do not weep nor mourn for the likes of Osama Bin Laden, but only see it as the obvious course of events he set in motion for himself and all who follow him.

    God gave him a season to choose life over death, but Bin Laden chose death, however just like in the story of the Amalekites all of the followers of king Agag were put to the sword, there is still God’s work to be done with those who have taken up the cause of Osama Bin Laden. They too are given a season, and a choice.

    Steve

  32. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Very well said Steve!

  33. SFDBWV says:

    My apologies to Mart, but I can see no relationship to the death of an evil man and the destruction caused by the natural events of the Japanese tsunami and the string of tornados that ravaged the southern USA.

    Bin Laden’s evil is man made; the calamity of natural disasters would seem to be the result of God’s will. Sorry I do not see the connection.

    I do not see natural disasters to be the result of any power some may think Satan has, the only times weather events were specified in scripture, God was fully in control and even when the natural events of our planets weather occurred, Jesus spoke to the wind and it became peaceful.

    I do not believe God sent tornados to the southern cities, but I do believe that God created the worlds weather patterns and that sometimes people get wet when it rains and sometimes not.

    We live in a world that has earthquakes, severe weather and out of control fires. We either learn to live with them or die as a result of them.

    When Jesus healed the blind beggar, His Disciples ask why this fellow was born blind. Jesus’ answer was that no one did anything to cause this man’s blindness, but that the Glory of God may be manifested in him.

    When natural disasters happen, we have an opportunity to see God’s glory present in the many stories of people helping people and miraculous escapes from death, but we also see the tragedy of a fallen world where death occurs. No one to blame, especially not God.

    A little foggy this morning in the mountains, but spring is in full bloom.

    Steve

  34. myjosie says:

    M y initial reaction to the news was one of relief that the “monster” is finally death.
    I discussed the news with my 5th grade son before he left for school.
    However, I was concerned about my initial reaction. The Holy Spirit quickly brought my pastor’s message yesterday at church on “forgraceness” to my mind.
    I became sad as a believer as that is not the way God expect me to react towards my enemies or those that hurt me. The practical application of my pastor’s message was asking God to help me take the golden rule (Luke 6:31) to a platinum level by forgiving my enemies and also extending grace to them as well. This is the examples to us from the story of Joseph and our LORD, Jesus Christ.
    My prayer is that we as believing Americans will see beyond the hurts our enemies has inflicted on us and pray to God for their lost souls. In days to follow, the news of the death of Osama may stir up more support for him. We need to be praying for God to soften the hearts of our enemies and for His divine protection on our country which is an “open society.”
    Thanks for your forum. May God’s blessings be yours always!

  35. joemk says:

    Steve, I actually see a strong connection: both Bin Laden and the storms and earthquakes have a common feature – their effect is the tragic suffering of people, innocent, good people. People who, even in our human sense of justice do not “deserve” the suffering that is brought upon them by these people/events. my favorite pastor and bible scholar has a classic explanation for why good people suffer here on earth – his answer is always that “we live in a world opposed (evil and good)” and that when these things happen “God is always with the suffering”. He says that if you want to see God in these tragedies, look at that old woman in Alabama whose house was reduced to rubble but she lived through it, look at the pain of those families that very unexpectedly, in an instant lost their dad or sister, that is where God is! And I agree with him. Instead of trying to understand and explain these things, we should join God where He always is when these things happen.

  36. cherielyn says:

    I hardly know where to start with the thoughts that have been swirling through my mind since the news of bin Laden’s death.

    I encourage all to read James 2 & 3 & particularly James 2:11-13. In God’s eyes, if we break one commandment, we are guilty of all. Sin is sin and in His eyes, a small ‘white’ lie makes us as guilty as a person who commits the crime of murder, regardless of whether it is one murder, or mass murder.

    Thankfully, Christ’s death on the cross abolished the Law and, as undeserving as we are, we can all be forgiven for whatever sins we have committed by accepting His gift.

    Osama bin Laden committed and orchestrated horrible acts against humanity. So did Jeffrey Dahmer and so many other notorious criminals.

    The way I see it, if they did not repent and accept the same gift that is available to ALL of us, then, when they die(d), it is forever too late to have a change of heart and mind and they face God’s eternal wrath & judgment.

    Heb 10:31 – “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

    Just think what could have been if bin Laden would have learned the truth, had a change of heart and accepted Christ. He could have been instrumental in leading many of his followers to faith in Christ. But, it is forever too late for him.

    Until each person draws their last breath, we all have that same chance, regardless of the kind of life we led prior to that moment.

    In the innocence of my childhood, I remember earnestly praying that Satan would “get saved” and stop doing all the bad things he was doing.

    I know the thoughts I have expressed may not be popular among some people. Yes, bin Laden’s crimes against the American people on 9/11 were horrific and I grieved, deeply, with the families I did not even know, over the loss of their loved ones.

    I also grieve over how Satan uses so many people to carry out his evil agenda against mankind. His day is coming and God will have the final victory.

    I wish for that day to come soon, but at the same time I pray for the family and loved ones I know are not ready for that day.

    The recent proliferation of earthquakes, tornadoes, flooding, and unrest in so many parts of the world seem to be a sign that the day could be soon. Only God knows the day and the hour. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. I am so ready!

  37. marygordon77 says:

    I was truly surprized! However I was very sadden that it ended that way. I felt that Americans were celebrating his death too much! And the President of the US was taking too much credit. I know we lost many Americans but that is for God to take care of, not us. With all the disaters going on it is quite evident this is the beginning of the birthpains. I pray that God will have mercy on us!

  38. Ellie says:

    God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and no book is clearer on how he uses nations and leaderes to avenge HIMSELF. One of many passages related to unbelievers; there are many about God using Assyrian kings, Babylonian kings, Egyptian kings, etc.
    : Isaiah 65:3-7 (NASB)
    3 A people who continually provoke Me to My face, Offering sacrifices in gardens and burning incense on bricks; 4 Who sit among graves and spend the night in secret places; Who eat swine’s flesh, And the broth of unclean meat is in their pots. 5 “Who say, ‘Keep to yourself, do not come near me, For I am holier than you!’ These are smoke in My nostrils, A fire that burns all the day. 6 “Behold, it is written before Me, I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will even repay into their bosom, 7 Both their own iniquities and the iniquities of their fathers together,” says the LORD. “Because they have burned incense on the mountains And scorned Me on the hills, Therefore I will measure their former work into their bosom.”

  39. ugocharles says:

    Any follower of Christ who celebrates or rejoices (especially in his or her heart) has not obeyed the teaching of Christ. It is most appalling that Christian ‘leaders’ & ‘pastors’ are justifying this anti-Christ response to the death of an enemy / evil doer. Which spirit is operating here – just like Jesus rebuked his disciples who called for thunder to consume others in Luke 9:54-56. Jesus made it clear as to how we are to respond to our enemies if we are sons of the Father & if we are new – Matthew 5:43-48

    If the light is responding like darkness, we should not be surprised with the amount of darkness in the church and in the US. We have so many churches & pastors, yet so little transformation & Christlikeness.

    Will the real followers of Christ rise up as light and dispel this darkness?

    The church in Acts 5:1-17 acted differently when the Spirit of God judged & killed Ananias & Sapphira. They got a refreshing result – healing & deliverance. It is time for the church in the US to repent!

  40. peacedove says:

    The Parable of the Shrewd Manager came into my mind while reading all these posts.Jesus used a rascal to teach us a lesson.God uses evil things we are familiar with to make a point.With faith we can see things in the spiritual way.
    Joemk and gphood have both mentioned how evil was dealt with in the Old Testament.Entire cities were wiped out and peoples destroyed.Then people would repent and come back to god.
    What I would like to do is look a little closer at the helicopter mission itself.How could Bin Ladin be living in a mansion,just miles away from a military compound in a country supposed to be a US ally?
    Many times Jesus told people to keep quiet and not repeat things.Secrecy was the key for this mission to be a success.One has to wonder if the country of Pakistan is a true friend.Did it in fact betray the trust of the US?
    Finally,a burial at sea.What a statement that makes.
    The reason being that there will be no shrine or religous site in his honor.One could envision this act being mentioned in the Old Testament.
    Hopefully,I have not upset anyone here.I think we are supposed to help each other out here and not bicker.
    As for the other disturbing things happening on the earth,”Just as it was in the days of Noah,so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.”

  41. jimgroberts says:

    Mart you have hit the nail on the head…your example of Job ties all these things together whether we call mans action; Gods or Natures. As the scriptures constantly show us man and nature are not in control not even Satan. In ALL things Gods plan is supreme. His ways are NOT our ways. His desire is to seek and save what has been lost; judgement is a future event. Our duty is to do Gods will, to love one another and forgive one another even our enemies and not judge. But Jesus says know the times and know that tribulations must ccome and have already begun just as woman must labour before the birth. Build your house on the rock, not sand. He who has an ear hear what the spirit says….

  42. hisforever32 says:

    Mart, your words “A sobering moment for followers of Christ” struck such a chord with me, for it expresses so eloquently the thoughts of my heart. How I rejoice to have RBC “Our Daily Bread” and “Day of Discovery” DVD’s in my life. They are always a blessing and never disappoint. May HE continue to be with and guide you today and always. In Jesus’ name, MomA
    P.S. Right-on MomB!

  43. peterpugliese says:

    Something to consider: Is God’s word applicable today? Living in a world that promotes a 24/7 news cycle what has more of an influence upon us the word of God or the word of man? Reading Hebrews 9: 27 -28 and Hebrews 13 set me back and caused me to think about what is really important to God and what He truly values. Jesus spoke of His Kingdom not being of this world. What Kingdom do I pursue? In this world we will experience trials, and tribulation, we will encounter the joy of life and the fear that threatens life as we know it. We are human and our emotions are real! So, if it’s His Kingdom I’m pursuing I’m going to be inclined to pray as Jesus prayed. Consider His prayers throughout the gospels, especially John 17. For me this awakes me from my slumber and reminds me of whom I am in Christ!

    Pete

  44. baxterj says:

    I wrote this poem on April 19, titled “If I Were GOD” and would like to share it after your comment:

    What if we could be GOD for a day?
    What would we do and what would we say?
    Would we exclude certain people from our group?
    Would only the best be included in the “loop”?
    We could feed all the hungry with a loaf of bread.
    All things would be possible by the word that we said.
    We could destroy the evil leaders of men.
    When one needed money, it would be given.
    Nothing would be lacking, no one would be left out.
    Everything would be available within and without.
    But what about their souls that would still be lost?
    How could they be saved without Calvary’s cost?
    If everything were free, what would be their value?
    It seems to me that we lack GOD’S wisdom to know what to do.
    We are too materialistic and too sympathetic.
    Our emotions tend to lead us to do the dramatic.
    Only GOD is truly wise and knows what is best.
    HE is just and fair and puts us to the test.
    Only what is tested can be trusted to do what is right.
    Therefore we should let GOD be GOD for HE alone has the wisest insight.
    GOD Bless

  45. thanqlord says:

    I asked the question last night as I polled prison inmates during a Yolkfellow meeting, “What do you think of the execution of Osama bin Laden?” Almost unanimously, they agreed that it was a good thing and that he was, essentially, irretrievable.

    Remember that these are professing believers in Jesus Christ who specifically know that they needed to be forgiven for their sins (as we all do–I was once in prison, too), and that without His forgiveness, they, too, would be condemned. I pointed out that bin Laden’s killing was, in some ways, reminiscent of the death penalty in that by executing a prisoner, man takes away the possibility of a person coming to God by the end of his or her natural life. The inmates thought that bin Laden, because of his actions, didn’t deserve the chance.

    I’m not bleeding-heart conservative (or liberal?); I simply take the Lord at His Word. No sin is worse than another, and “”Vengeance is Mine” says the Lord.” It isn’t up to us, in the New Covenant of Christ, to take these decisions with eternal consequences for others onto ourselves. In bin Laden’s case, apparently he fought with deadly force and the SEALs needed to fire on him, so it’s a moot point, but for the inmates to whom I minister, I’m afraid to say that they still don’t get it.

  46. poohpity says:

    thanglord, they are not alone many still don’t get it and am wondering what it will take to cause any believer to realize even with anger in their hearts they have committed murder. Unless the anger is directed toward the sin in their own lives per the New Covenant of Christ.

  47. poohpity says:

    I have to admit there are times when I do not get it either. ;-)

  48. womanwhosees says:

    As a new Christian (three months), the celebration of the death of a bad person bothers me. Didn’t Christ say we were to love our enemies? Didn’t He say to forgive others even as we are forgiven? Recently, I saw the movie of the killing of Amish schoolchildren. The parents (all but one) immediately forgave the man who had murdered their children because they felt that this was what Jesus would have done.

  49. poohpity says:

    womanwhosees, thank you so much for bringing be back to when I first believed and the love felt. You really do see. :-)

  50. poohpity says:

    I was thinking about the soldiers that whipped the Lord with the cat of nine tails and crucified our Jesus and he responded in asking “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” and Jesus was innocent.

  51. nezzar says:

    Psa 34:16 The face of the LORD [is] against those who do evil, To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth

    Jer 9:3 “And [like] their bow they have bent their tongues [for] lies. They are not valiant for the truth on the earth. For they proceed from evil to evil, And they do not know Me,” says the LORD.

    Isa 65:12 Therefore I will number you for the sword, And you shall all bow down to the slaughter; Because, when I called, you did not answer; When I spoke, you did not hear, But did evil before My eyes, And chose [that] in which I do not delight.”

    Isa 13:11 “I will punish the world for [its] evil, And the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

    Psa 34:21 Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous shall be condemned.

    Psa 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,

    Psa 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

    Jer 25:31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth–For the LORD has a controversy with the nations; He will plead His case with all flesh. He will give those [who are] wicked to the sword,’ says the LORD.”

    Psa 37:12-15 The wicked plots against the just, And gnashes at him with his teeth.
    13 The Lord laughs at him, For He sees that his day is coming.
    14 The wicked have drawn the sword And have bent their bow, To cast down the poor and needy, To slay those who are of upright conduct.
    15 Their sword shall enter their own heart, And their bows shall be broken.

    Luk 19:27 ‘But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay [them] before me.’ ”

    I know that I will be attacked for this, but remember I did not say a word of this. And that last verse is from Jesus in the new testament. I think we have a misconception of Jesus as a “Nice Guy.”

  52. poohpity says:

    We have to be very careful of context and who it is that will bring judgment, justice and punishment. We have to keep in mind which covenant we live under, the one points out the sin or the one who was perfect and took the punishment for the sin. Hopefully we will hang on to the knowledge that we who deserve that eternal punishment now live under grace. Undeserved, unmerited grace.

    Jesus isn’t a nice guy He is God in the flesh and any judgment that He enacts is right and we would be better off realizing that.

  53. nezzar says:

    poohpity

    I agree with you whole heartedly.

  54. chrisco1 says:

    I am so glad to see you writing on this today. I was having this discussion last night with a friend and, like so many of the comments posted here, find it’s not without difficulty that I try to find a level of understanding for how this piece of history is best interpreted within the scope of faith. Is God benevolent and vengeful? We read of both in the Bible.

    After reading through all the posts here, it’s clear that there likely will be no consensus among those of us reading and posting, nor will there be within the global discussion. Whether God plays any part in seeking His justice now, or whether justice was given over long ago in a garden, not to be seen till the End Times, we can’t know. And I don’t think that’s the point of our earthly woes.

    As referenced by hisforever32, your statement “a sobering moment for followers of Christ” is more to the point—that’s what we should be paying attention to. Are we using moments such as this in preparation for what God revealed we should ready ourselves for? When the days come, and they will, I don’t think it will be a matter of His justice as much as it will be the question of were the things we carried out here on earth done for His Glory. Large or small. Good or bad. This current sobering moment is also a teachable one for all believers. Thanks, Mart, for bringing that to the forefront of the current news cycle.

  55. nezzar says:

    Despite my earlier post about God’s judgment and Justice and the righteous washing their feet in the blood of the wicked I do believe that all three events in this post offer Christians everywhere an oppertunity to bring God’s mercy and loving kindness to those who have lost there homes loved ones and are grieving. (not for OBL but for those who are victims of his violence)

    I guess my focus was a little misplaced. Thank you chrisco1 I’ll take that correction.

  56. bubbles says:

    To be honest, seeing people celebrating in the streets has bothered me. This looks like what “they” did after we were attacked.
    Jesus died for all sins. If OSB has asked for forgiveness of his sins, God would’ve forgiven him also.
    I told my children this in 2001. They gasped in horror.
    God loves people, but hates their sin. It is not His will that any should perish.
    Our God in Heaven is a loving God. His love is beyond what we can understand.

  57. jlsr77 says:

    Hi Maart,

    I agree with the comment above and with your assessment of Bin Laden’s death. Even though Bin Laden was an evil man who killed 3,000 people on 911 by an insidiously planned plot, I couldn’t rejoice with those who were jumping up and down in the streets chanting USA, USA! I don’t feel happy about his death. To me, his death doesn’t really solve anything. As you said, the signs of the end times are here to stay until our Lord comes to take those who love him home. The news media is talking about the real possibility of retaliation from Al-Queda, so nothing’s changed. Only God can help us.

    Blessings,
    Judy

  58. davids says:

    I was a bit surprised that this topic led to so many thoughtful comments. I was moved to especially pray today for those that have never heard the Word, for those whose hearts have been hardened against the Word, for those that have been deceived by the Deceiver.

    When Jesus was asked who is my neighbor, he gave as an example a Samaritan. Not merely a “bad Jew”, but someone regarded as a blasphemer and completely below the mere contempt that people had for the Unclean. Jesus expects us to turn our hearts around from the way that the world views things.

  59. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Davids,

    I totally agree with you, Samaritans were actualy people of Israel and belonged to the 12 tribes. It was the people of Judah that dispised them and they were the ones that crucified Christ.
    Now, from over here, I am begining to see a terrible attitude of celebration in the USA, not so much on this blog, but in general.
    Beware my friends, the devil is about to Bight you!

    Bob

  60. jillyann says:

    Maybe could we have a teaching on when should the human race intervene to eradicate evil. This has always been the issue for me – When does God allow us to intervene in the way that we have to eradicate this sort of evil that rampages the innocent? My heart is telling me that we are doing the right thing, as surely we can’t turn our backs on the innocent and leave them to suffer the evil that they are. My head tells me that – should we try and negotiate one more time? What does God direct us to do?

  61. bratimus says:

    The OT in the forming of Israel, God did delegate city for sancutary for people under a blood vengence for murders. In theses cities the murder would be protected from the blood vengence. outside the cities they where fair game to the blood vengence. Bin Ladin was in a compound, in one since Bin Ladin constructed his own prison. The question is did God consider this compound of Bin Ladin’s a sancutary from blood vengence. In the U.S. we place people in prison for murders not just to protect society, but to protect the murder for an act of vengence. Vengence is the Lords according to the laws of the Bible. In most of the United States vengence isn’t a suitable defense for murdering. so was killing Bin Ladin really an act of justice, according to God’s laws or the Justice of what the U.S.A. suppose to stand for. Or was the killing of Bin Ladin just a means to an end for the beginning of something else.

    Did Bin Ladin represent the kingdom of the Leopard spoken of in Daniel 7, and now that he is gone. Is the door wide open for the fourth beast of Daniel 7 to amerge the one that trsmples and devours kingdoms, more evil then all the otherrs.

  62. oneg2dblu says:

    bratimus… you are asking us,what was the killing of obl done for? IT WAS DONE FOR ALL HUMANITY! OUR COUNTRY! OUR FREEDOM! IT WAS A MILITARY RESPONSE, TO ENEMY ATTACH! IT WAS A CALL TO WAR, AND A PROMISE FROM OUR PRESIDENT TO HIS NATION AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. “WE WILL FIND OUT WHO DID THIS EVIL, AND WE WILL BRING THEM TO JUSTICE!”
    It was a stand against evil! Neither God’s law, or common law, or military law, would ever apply more than the “SETTING of THIS PRECEDENT” as to what would happen to Anyone, who would Dare Tread Against the Innocent People of this One Nation Under God! HAVE WE FORGOTTEN?

  63. apelila says:

    Though I’m still grieved at the pain Obama caused especially on 09/11 butalso to all the people in his lifetime of hatred, I was heart broken to see Americans celebrating his death. I know most Americans are not Christian, they hate us almost as much as he did…but it shows the true side of “our own” to actually celebrate the “alleged” death of one of God’s creation.
    No, I don’t believe the special forces murdered him, I think he died of his many illnesses and this a Obama ploy to gain popularity, once again with the younger generation.

  64. marma says:

    Mart, the Job passage you cited made me go back to Job 1 and 2 and even when his wife told him to “Curse God and die,” Job stood by the righteousness of God.

    In 2:10, Job told her, “You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?”

    The writer of Job added, “In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.”

    We are often so ready to accept (and even take for granted) the good that God gives us in this world, but we disdain the evil, whether it comes from “acts of God” or “acts of man.”

    That God gives us humans the opportunity to live in his world at all is an act of grace, despite all the evil. It is here that we meet God initially, that we learn of his love, of Christ’s sacrifice and suffering, “for the joy that was set before him.”

    To know Him–against that no earthly joy, no matter how grand, and no earthly suffering, no matter how painful, can in the least compare.

    I’m not there yet, but it is my hope, and I am encouraged even in my little victories and the grace God has given me and continues to give me to live this life.

    Night, all.

  65. passionpeabody says:

    As a true/proud american I feel justice has been served & that the world will be a better place without him in it. I feel a victory in my heart for all he tormented & murdered. It is just human nature. Like we stamped out one of Satan’s disciples. The Christian in me doesn’t agree with all the “parading” headlines & such ongoing attention to such a gruesome murder even if he did deserve it. Sometimes military endeavors should be left to the military without disclosing all the intimate details. Our behavior in the streets after the event took place looked much like that in Libya & elsewhere. I think we as a world leader should continue to set an example with class. One should not “wear” the american flag draped around oneself. Our society as a whole is slowly decayed & sadly it shows. I am 50, raised old school. I am just missing the values & integrity this nation once had I suppose. I also feel we should follow the example of humanity that Japan displayed for each other in crisis without looting, violence, greed & selfish behavior. That renewed my faith in mankind to see/hear of that.

  66. athalia says:

    As a Christian, I felt a sense of loss that OBL died without ever knowing the saving grace of God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    I could never rejoice that a person would be sent to hell for all eternity, as I believe that OBL has. How sad that so many people did rejoice at his death.

  67. bratimus says:

    Whoo Gary,

    Someone was asking on a teaching on when the human race should eraticate evil. In the Bible i hear no orders to this effect. When Israel under Joshua fail to eratecate all the Kiongdoms God wanted destroyed, God did say a price would be paid for this. And truthfully I didn’t know that the U.S. was in the assasination business. I just ask what God thinks about this. Personally i don’t care one way or the other what became of Bin Ladin. But i don’t cheer death. I dont apperciate using upper case to yell at me.

    Ill let god decide if this was a stand against evil, the Death of Bin Ladin hasn’t stopped evil, ur attack on me shows no love.

    This is the last time i contrubute to this post.

    Vengence is the Lords and not mans. And forgivness is divine

    Peace out

  68. davids says:

    Gary, you often have some helpful insight, but it pains me that you sometimes drive people away through your zeal. May I suggest that you write down some rules for yourself about making replies and review them before posting? The banning of caps and exclamation points might be a good start.

    In Love, David

  69. cherielyn says:

    athalia,

    I so agree with you! I had the same thoughts and feelings when the news of OBL’s death was announced – an overwhelming sadness. You said, so well, but in much fewer words than I have, what I was trying to get across in my earlier post.

    God’s gift of salvation was just as available to OBL as it is to each one of us. It IS sad that he did not realize the error of his ways and find Christ before his death. I shudder at the thought of what his eternity is.

  70. ichance66 says:

    Mart,

    As usual, excellent commentary. I have been thinking about BinLaden, and the natural disasters and how they might relate to each other in God’s plan for us. I just wanted to let you know you have organized our thoughts on these major events. Thank you. And thank you for the opinion of “Let God be God” (as Ray Stedman titled his book about Job, in 2007.)
    And Mart, God Bless you with your calling, RBC Ministry, Day of Discovery show, etc. etc.

  71. kmfreese says:

    I thought too about how believers aren’t supposed to rejoice over the fall of our enemies. I wouldn’t wish hell on anyone, and a lot of people were praying for him to be saved (I confess I wasn’t among them for the most part). It’s be nice to think that UBL could still have cried out to Jesus from his heart at his last instant. We won’t know what happened though, until we get to heaven.

    People danced in the streets in 1945 for V-E Day and V-J Day, in celebration of the end of WWII in Europe and Japan. And in celebration of the defeat of Hitler and the Japanese emporer, and of stopping their mad plans for world domination. Until Sunday, UBL was the poster boy for the war on global terrorism (WGT). He and his followers have a mad plan for world domination, and would/will stop at nothing to achieve it. In 2011, Americans (and so many young ones!) danced in the streets on Sunday night and Monday morning for the morale booster to all free peoples that was this long-overdue and resounding victory in the WGT. For a brief time Americans were reunited under Old Glory and politics was at bay. Hope was renewed for freedom’s final victory and an end of the WGT.

    Al Queda was caught completely by surprise at the sudden demise of their leader, and whether or not that organization holds together remains to be seen. Regardless, the jihadist movement overall has yet to be conquered; for its goal is world jihadist rule and the annihilation of all free peoples, most especially Jews and Americans. All who fight for freedom’s preservation must fight on, until the mission is completely accomplished. More important, we must pray on, for the fighters must be undergirded. The tide of WWII was turned through intercession (another story), and so will turn the tide against jihadism, if we do as instructed in 2 Chron 7:14.

    God bless America, and may America turn and bless God.

  72. baucbw63 says:

    Many of the comments actually gave me a sense of hope for my fellow persons. It is good to know that not everyone will be waving flags and shooting fireworks over the death of a mere mortal human. Recently the last veteran of WWI passed and I can only imagine how he might have thought and felt witnessing all the wars and human made conflicts when his war was supposed to have been the one which ended wars. How foolish we are if we think by eliminatimng one person we have solved all the woes brought about by terroism.

  73. nidia says:

    Acts of God, I pray for those affected and help every way I can but, Bin Laden’s termination, to me is like God opening the windows of heaven and pouring down a blessing on America. He has lifted the spirits of our troops and the faint hearted.

    For so long the, this and that, of so many Americans that forget so easliy and quickly the horror of that day that the angles cried but worse is so did my Jesus. We needed to learn to trust God to fight the war – I use to ask people if they would perfer to have their son or daughter die in some strange far away place where they were fighting evil or would they perfer to have their grandchild’s school blown up and killed here?

    I am a Vet and Christian Soldier. I am proud of this wonderful volunteer Army and I would have liked to have been there to shout amen! where’s the next evil? If God needs to send someone, I say, “here I am.”

    I love each and everyone of you! I thank God I have you Mart and all this Ministry has been giving and teaching me these 18 wonderful years that I have been with Jesus – every second! YES!

  74. dogs0449 says:

    I was shocked and dismayed by your article and I am
    a Christian, but after reading what I can and can’t say,
    I am even more dismayed!!! This is the one and only time I will blog here because you don’t believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and I believe, for now, it is still
    an ESSENTIAL FREEDOM OF MINE!!
    I’ve always honored this author, but now I do not and
    you’ll never know why…you won’t even print this
    because you CENSOR IT ALL.
    May God Bless you and open your eyes

  75. poohpity says:

    dogs0449, I pray that God will also open your eyes, mind and soften your heart to His will. Although we have freedom of speech if we are going to tear another person up with words maybe that is better left unsaid. According to Eph 4:29; Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

    So while we have freedom to say whatever we wish we have to be careful not to trample on the freedoms of others. In expressing our opinions in a gentle, humble and loving manner we show respect for others that is what the guidelines are meant to address.

  76. nezzar says:

    rdrcomp
    I hear you an thank you for your support. All the way from Iraq.

  77. nezzar says:

    oneg2dblu, bratimus

    Have we allowed this one topic to divide us? I love you both in the short time I’ve been at this site I have enjoyed reading both of your posts and can’t help but feel a kinship with you. We are brothers in Christ after all. So why have we allowed one topic to split us up. I feel that I’ve had my fair share of attacks on this web site and even read some posts that I thought were stupid, but I left the site to come back another time so that I would not attack an individual. I don’t know how you feel about God speaking directly to you, but I know that He told me to keep my disagreements to people’s doctrine and not them personally and to stay at the site until kicked off. If we can’t show the love of Jesus on a Christian web site, then where. And what are we. Yes, I said ‘what’.

  78. 4cinnamon says:

    WHEN I SAW ON THE NEWS THAT BIN LADEN WAS DEAD, THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT WAS OH WOW! BIN LADEN IS DEAD. I THEN HEARD HE HAD DIED OF CANCER. BUT THEN LATER READ HE HAD BEEN SHOT TO DEATH. I GUESS THE STRANGE THING WAS PEOPLE WERE CELEBRATING HIS DEATH. I SAW PEOPLE ON TELEVISION WAVING FLAGS AND CHEERING AND JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME. I DON’T DENY THAT HE WAS PROBABLY AS WICKED AND EVIL AS ANYONE CAN GET. BUT I JUST COULDN’T BRING MYSELF TO CELEBRATE. I KNOW THE MAN DID NOT HAVE CHRIST IN HIS LIFE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO SHIELDED AND PROTECTED HIM OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T HAVE CHRIST IN THEIRS EITHER. HE NOW HAS TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR WHAT HE’S DONE, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. I THINK I’LL SAVE MY DRINKS AND CELEBRATING FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE WORTHWILE, LIKE MY BIRTHDAY, MY LOVED ONES BIRTHDAYS, HOLIDAYS AND OTHER SPECIAL OCCASIONS.

  79. oneg2dblu says:

    wow that one was all caps… is that allowed any more? maybe we are all getting a little too touchy?

    nezzar… i feel my sardonic wit has caused some problems here, as i was going for something other than turning the whole world off!

    exactly what one topic are you talking about that divides us?

    sorry i’m so dense about context making all thoughts victim to it.

    davids… sorry caps and ” marks are offensive to you, i’ll keep that in mind, but feel if we can’t use all the weapons we have at our disposal, when we are so restricted gary

  80. poohpity says:

    Oh my!!!!

  81. jlujan69 says:

    Though God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, He also loves justice and expects us to as well. It’s not very often anymore that man’s justice reflects God’s, but the death of OBL was such an instance. There’s also nothing wrong with rejoicing that such a person will murder no more. Though it’ll take the return of Jesus Christ himself to the Earth before perfect peace and love reign, we certainly can give thanks to God when He does allow a truly evil and dangerous person to endanger and do evil no longer. There’s a difference between being relieved and happy and gloating. Also, consider that if we can’t be happy over the death of an evildoer, we can’t logically be angry over the acts of the evildoer. Yet, who actually argue that all anger is sin?

  82. oneg2dblu says:

    jljan69… yes there is a difference between happy and gloating, and there is a difference between, hating the sin, and not hating the sinner!
    Forgiving the sinner and not the acts of the sinner are where we are so chalenged to take our anger, and still show the sinner, forgiveness, and love.
    We can not get to that point unless we, Live in the Spirit and Conquer the Flesh!
    The flesh dances in the street, and the spirt grieves!
    Gary

  83. lydiama says:

    Thanks Mart for another great, thought-provoking post. As for your musings on “what to make of the fact that God allowed Satan to use a windstorm to break Job’s heart and to test his faith…before the LORD, himself, finally spoke out of another violent storm… to bring Job to a place of surrender and peace (Job 1:19 ; 38:1)” well, sometimes I think about it too and wonder if the whole ordeal was necessary. Poor Job, he most likely never knew what hit him… literally. As for me, well, I can’t say that I’ve been blessed with enough “good times” to test and confirm the oft-used hypothesis that it’d make me forget about God. I simply don’t know how I’d react as I’ve never really experienced it for a long period of time.

  84. peacedove says:

    There are times in the Old Testament where God would give choices,listen to reason and give time limits.People would either listen or ignore Gods words,then accept the results of their actions.
    Osama Bin Ladin was not sitting around the house waiting for Gods grace.He was at work planning new terror strikes against the world.Train derailments over bridge`s are ideas that filled his head.Who knows what else is on those computers found in that room.
    Locked away in that compound,year after year,cannot be healthy for anyone.
    This is food for thought.
    We can only trust God.Events like this draw us even closer.

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