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Where’s this Emotion Coming From?

Do we ever find ourselves becoming angry, sarcastic, or hostile when someone disagrees with our understanding of morality, the Bible, or the afterlife? If so, how do we explain our rush of emotion?

Do we intuitively sense that anger will enable us to make a better case for our beliefs? Has our experience taught us that people are more likely to be open to our thoughts when they see our anger or hear our sarcasm?

What if we were able to show that we are secure enough in our own convictions (if we really are) to be able to listen, respect, and ask honest, non-threatening questions that show our desire to understand the person disagreeing with us? Would taking the time to show concern about understanding and respecting that person show a lack of confidence in what we believe to be the truth—about God, human nature, and how to express ourselves honestly, and lovingly?

Would such an approach put us in conflict about what we know about our Teacher, his Spirit, or the wisdom that he wants to give us?


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Conversation is a two way street, sometimes the listener misinterprets the emotion behind the comment as much as the speaker or writer attempts to make a point by increasing the volume of voice or what may be seen as sarcasm.

    In many cases it may be as simple as not having patience enough to bite ones tongue before stepping over that delicate line that can create hurt feelings.

    Where does sarcasm and anger come from? A lack of love, a lack of patience, a lack of common courtesy. Not always a deep dark evil, sometimes people just don’t think before they open their mouth or before the push the send button.

    It is all about having consideration for another, thinking of their feelings in our interaction with them. Some people have thick hides others have thin skin. So we must learn how to communicate with each almost depending upon the psychology of the individual.

    It is all about love, either we love others or we don’t care.

    Steve

  2. BruceC says:

    The emotion is coming from our fallen human nature in all its sinful attributes. And all these attributes have their basis in pride. Our ego gets slammed when others don’t see things the way we do or feel the way we do. We have to have it our way. God doesn’t tell us to get angry with those who don’t agree or accept Christ; just that we are to tell His gospel in a loving way and live it before them.
    We can listen to what others have to say in a kind manner and we can present absolute truth in a kind manner also. Why get angry if they don’t “get it”?
    Did not our Lord say that many would not come to Him?

    All we need to do is what we are commanded to do: Preach the Gospel and love the way Christ loved us.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  3. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    The emotional outbursts we sometimes have when talking about Jesus is due to our passion and the other persons inability to understand what we find to be a simple truth.

    Jesus only showed anger at those who blatently showed themselves to be hypocrits and sometimes showed frustration with His diciples when they got it wrong. So there is a place for these negative emotions when we want to convey how we feel.
    Most of the time though we need to show love and self control, peppered with a little humour and joy. That is the fruit of the Spirit and will show through when we have learnt to put Christ first, the person we are talking to second and ourselves on the cross.

    Bob

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Thinking about Mart’s questions this morning has brought me to another line of thinking. I and I am sure most of us, have came across preachers as well as motivational speakers that use the range of volume in their voices to make the most impact upon their listeners. As well as the various tones of speech as to communicate emotion as well as words.

    This is lost completely when we attempt to communicate in the manner of this blog or in emails, letters and such written venues. We then attempt to add emotion or tone by way of language usage or in some peoples cases capitalize their words so as to seem as if they are raising their voice.

    I have always figured that adrenaline has a great deal to do with why people raise their voices and is the chemical that aids in aggressive or angry behavior.

    I have listened to people who throughout the course of speaking continue to raise their voice and bring themselves into a higher state of activity, again I think most of the time the matter isn’t sinister just a personality trait.

    Now when we get offended if someone disagrees with us, this is a different matter. There are a great many reasons why a person may get angry over this. Certainly as Bruce mentioned pride may have an impact, but there are other reasons as well.

    We are certainly offended when people choose to not believe us, throwing us into a position of defending ourselves right away; the best defense is always an offense so we tend to sound offended and on the offense when not believed.

    The key here is once again, patience, listen to the other person and then present your rebuttal as calmly as possible. However if the other person becomes irate or angry etc. then as often is the case, anger begets anger and if one or the other isn’t quick to cool things down we have an argument.

    This is a terrible detriment for Christians to present themselves to non believers and yet fall into the same negative behavior as the rest of society. We need to be different, but are guilty of extreme anger with another member of our religion, just because we may disagree. So we are often judged as being hypocritical. As we are judged so is our religion and our witness for Christ has failed to impress.

    Hot day in the mountains, nothing to do with anger.

    Steve

  5. poohpity says:

    I think most of the time we do not trust God enough to open a persons eyes or ears and think we can do a better job at it. When we try it just pushes a person away rather than closer to the source of all truth.

    I know for myself that I am ignorant of proper communication skills. The main lesson of communication is the art of listening and reflecting back what you are hearing so that there is understanding of what a person is saying. On this blog sometimes people just pop in and give an opinion then leave only wanting to be heard but never listening which may be a ego thing.

    There is so much to learn about the Lord and to put myself into a place where I think I can not learn anything else is preposterous and I have experienced the voice of God saying, “Who do you think you are?”. If I do not have listening ears, even when someone may rattle my chain, I might believe that God can not speak through anyone he wants to get my attention even a donkey. Most of the time if it creates such an emotional response from me it may be something I need to work on like pride, self righteousness, superiority and lack of dependence on God.

  6. poohpity says:

    From trial and error anger, sarcasm and hostility have just ruined my witness and have made people close their ears even if I have something worth listening to. I also feel that way when the anger, sarcasm, and hostility is directed at me. We would desire our words to be pearls of wisdom but they end up turning into hot lava being spewed causing much destruction and damage, then people turning deaf ears our way or even ignoring us. Kind and gentle answers turn away wrath and show respect for the person.

    This has been such a struggle for me and I wish that before I reply I could hit the delete button on my mouth or better yet stop and think about how it may be taken when someone hears it. I would spend less time apologizing and more time encouraging.

  7. nezzar says:

    I’m guilty I’m one of the passionate ones!

    I am very passionate about God and His word! I know that sometimes I get carried away. Sometimes I see things as important because I’ve seen many people get hurt by false doctrine. I have also seen People turn from God because of the sin in my life. I sometimes think of my cousin who when we were kids I used to talk to him about God. I think that he was a curious seeker that may have turned to the Lord. Then I got into a fight with my little brothers and my cousin turned on me and any religious Ideas that I may have had. A few years ago he died in a gang related incident. His parents took solice in that time when I talked to him about God, hoping they would see him again. I know that its possible that he repented and returned to God before he died, but I seriously doubt it. I’ve never had the heart to tell his parents that my lack of self control may have lost his eternal soul. That’s one of the reasons that I see such importance in not only good doctrine, but also personal holyness. I know we are not supposed to be holier than thow but our conduct has a huge effect on our witness and you don’t know if you will be someone’s last chance. If I’m passionate or get in your face please don’t be offended. What we do in our lives, and how we communicate, and what we teach with our words and actions has eternal consiquences.

    This war that all Christians are in weather we like it or not believe it or not is more important than any war on the news. We must take it seriously.

  8. bubbles says:

    It doesn’t make sense to become angry when one does not agree with us. It is not showing love like the previous topic of conversation spoke about.

    The prayer attributed to St. Francis of Assisi says,
    “Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
    Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
    Where there is injury, pardon;
    Where there is doubt, faith;
    Where there is despair, hope;
    Where there is darkness, light;
    And where there is sadness, joy.

    Oh, Master, grant that I may not so much seek
    to be consoled as to console
    To be understood as to understand,
    To be loved as to love. . . .

  9. davids says:

    Although I agree with Bruce that pride is at the root of this, I think that insecurity plays a role. After all, why should the interpretations of others drive us to emotional outbursts?

    The words of another can cause us to confront the doubts that we try to supress because they make us feel uncomfortable. I see it in other areas of life that it is the people (family, coworkers) that are the least secure that tend toward emotional reactions. And sometimes myself, of course. People that have quiet confidence tend not to act this way. Peace to all!

  10. foreverblessed says:

    THis confidence in God gives us peace. I think we should build our faith on a Person, not on doctrines.
    I know that in my case my foundation was more on doctrines then on Jesus Himself.
    While we should resemble Jesus more and more, walking on earth healing people, blessing people, freeing people.
    Sometimes I think we should look at the heart of being a church of believers, how poor we are together in showing unity, showing the love of Christ together to the world
    Today I found this hymnal, an old theme in a new setting
    Kyrie Eleison (Lord Have Mercy)
    Words & Music by Keith Getty and Stuart Townend

    Kyrie Eleison, have mercy
    Christ Eleison, have mercy;
    Kyrie Eleison, have mercy,
    Christ Eleison, have mercy.

    As we come before You with the needs of our world,
    We confess our failures and our sin,
    For our words are many yet our deeds have been few;
    Fan the fire of compassion once again.

    When the cries of victims go unheard in the land,
    And the scars of war refuse to heal;
    Will we stand for justice to empower the weak
    Till their bonds of oppression are no more?

    If we love our God with all our heart, mind and strength,
    And we love our neighbors as ourselves;
    Then this law of love will heal the nations of earth
    And the glory of Christ will be revealed.

    Lord, renew our vision to be Christ where we live,
    To reach out in mercy to the lost;
    For each cup of kindness to the least in our midst
    Is an offering of worship to the throne.

  11. bratimus says:

    Emotions are all part of being human. Without are Emotions we would just be drones.

    People now a days just let their emotions get the better of them.

    The Holy spirit in Christians will use your emotions to guide you.

    Usually when anger, sarcasim, or hostilities emotions come in to play on ideals, you won’t get very far.

    in witness the message of Christ, we christians are in the good fight, there is an enemy out there that wants to make us stummble and will put stummblimng blocks in are way.

    Christ will put people in are path that we are to plant a seed in for someone else to water for god to let grow. Or we will water someone elses seed planting.

    When emotions run high maybe that isn’t a good place to sow or water. it is a stony hard surface only good for a stumbling block placed in your path by the evil one.

    When love starts failing emotions will run wild.

  12. Marjorie says:

    This is such a touchy subject for many of us. We get angry when people disagree with us because we have forgotten that only by the grace of God have our own eyes been opened. We must remember from whence we have come. (John 8:47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.) We were once blind too and need to pray for those people that God will open their hearts to Him. (John 6:44a No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.) We are to serve the world by showing the lost what God is like and what He has done for the whole world—not just for us. Why should they want to know God if we become angry with them for their blindness? Let’s pray that God will teach us humility and love for others and enable us to listen to them so that we can understand where they are coming from and share the truth with them patiently. (Colossians 4:5-6 Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.) (James 1:19-20 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.)

  13. wpleasant says:

    For we walk by faith not by sight.
    If we find ourselves becoming angry or sarcastic to an unbeliever who doesn’t agree with us…praying that the Holy Spirit will move that person’s heart to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ is the best we can hope for and understand that our good faith attempt to witness may be one of many steps leading a person to salvation. Much of what we refer to in the Bible to make our case requires a measure of faith before acceptance. The real problems come into play when two believers strongly disagree.

  14. SFDBWV says:

    It is always going to be the same, always; we watch the behavior of others and either begin to or immediately form an opinion of that behavior. It is an easy jump then from opinion to judgment.

    There is no difference whether we disagree and get angry with others over religious issues or secular issues; the base for being offended will always remain “Self”.

    I don’t think it possible to escape it; I think this is what makes us people.

    What we do with anger or resentment is what separates us, some clinical scientists would tell you it is not healthy to hold in your emotions and not allow them to escape from you, as does steam from a kettle.

    I find this to be true in most cases; to go ahead and get angry get the matter off your chest then move on to whatever it is that can heal the issue.

    Bottling it up only creates a situation where one explodes at a later time and usually over a trivial matter not the real root of why one is angry.

    One can either isolate them self from the rest of humanity physically or mentally and avoid confrontation or learn how to deal with others from a heart of love…..You will get your feelings hurt and you will be disappointed in others, but you will still be able to be …”you”, and love others through a supernatural power from the Christ Himself.

    The fern is standing about 4 feet high, the birds are singing their morning prayers, dew is everywhere and the sun is rising on the day here in the mountains of West Virginia.

    Steve

  15. moisesdias says:

    In general I agree with Mart but it is true that the Bible has examples of sarcasm and anger used fairly in specific contexts. Sarcasm: John 15:7; Isaiah 45:20b; Corinthians in 1 Cor 4:8; 1 Kings 22:15-16. Anger: John 2: 12-22, 14; Mark 3:1-6.

  16. injesusname says:

    Very interesting topic today Mart, when I was younger and still getting my footing as a Christian I to was very passionate when others disagreed with my understanding of who and what God was. I would become aggitated and upset because I was not firm in my beliefs and thus felt threatened and didn’t want to listen to any opposing ideas or judgements that came my way. It was my insecurities that led me to be less than Christ like in my responses. But the Bible says “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling!” that is where I began to understand that “a person convinced against his/her will is of the same opinion still.” There is nothing that I can do today but listen and ask strategic questions to get the other person to question their beliefs, and test their ideas but in a non threatening way. I do pray at the moment that God will open their minds and hearts to the truth, knowing that there are some out there that only want to cause arguments and really have no desire to change. So I no longer question my beliefs as I am solid in Jesus, and I understand that allowing emotion into the discussion only causes more harm than good. And I do agree that allowing those insecurities to rule my actions by being sarcastic, etc is not following Christ and His teachings.

    Blessings Dale

  17. poohpity says:

    I think the more we allow the Holy Spirit to work in our lives we will see things like self control, patience and kindness. I also believe that as long as people are always looking at the errors in others rather than identifying them in the mirror there will be no change or maturity.

  18. poohpity says:

    moisesdias, who was it that was angry in the John and Mark passages? Do you feel our anger and the anger of Jesus are one in the same with the motivation?

    How is Johns 15:7, Isaiah 45:20 and 1 Cor 4:8 sarcastic?

    However the point that Mart was making is beautifully written in 1 Cor 4:7. That everything we have spiritually is from God so why do we act superior to others like talking to them in anger, sarcasm and hostility as if we have accomplished our knowledge and maturity on our own.

  19. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… let him who is without these emotions throw the first stone. It is part of our sin nature, and where love may abound, sometimes it may not!
    For me, it all depends on how the event unfolds. If someone is in my face asking something that they are trying to make sound foolishly undefensible, then I will probably get sucked in and get defensive. But only,until I learn that this is their way, they use to provoke, instead of contribute to the finding of a resolution which is beyond their ability as well.
    It is more like a form of swearing instead of using better words.
    So we play on their terms until we learn a better route for ourselves. My better way, many times seems to come after the fall, the surrender, and the confession.
    When you are forgiven by the Lord and given a new day to become more like Him. We have all been there, and some of us more than once. Praise God, there an be an overcoming if we stay focused on Him.
    Today I picked up a great new group of challenged children for their summer school. Although is just four weeks, its plenty of time to Love them! What a Blessing the Lord has given me for them, and what a blessing they each are to me. How will they know they are loved by their bus driver? Christ in me, will be there showing them. He never fails! Gary

  20. oneg2dblu says:

    Because…Love never fails!

  21. poohpity says:

    Gary do you feel like reacting to someone helps either party in learning the truth? Or does it just fuel the fire of malice, hostility and anger?

  22. oneg2dblu says:

    Pooh… that depends on whether we are talking about using a form of aplogetics for defending our faith, or just reacting to a personal hit on our pride, and find we are using unhelpful words to undermine the other party.
    Malice and Hostility, do not belong in the words used of Apolgetics of Christianity. Anger on the other hand can take as many forms, and reaction, but not all reactions, equal justifiable anger. To me, it is all in the tone and choice of words, that one can turn on or off,the fueling of the battle. Then there is always ignorance, or just lack of proper knowledge, or being taught wrongly motivated doctrine, or false teaching!
    All these can lead to many arguments among even the best Christian family, regardless of having a greater intention, falsehood cannot align itself, with truth and stand properly on its feet!

  23. oneg2dblu says:

    But, I’ll leave that “standing on the word,” to the great minds who interpret the word for us, and create many translations which can also bring about discourse, within the very words they choose. Everyone does not like chocolate either. :)

  24. poohpity says:

    So you feel like we have to defend our faith? Does that mean we are not secure in our convictions and God’s ability to get through to someone without our help?

  25. poohpity says:

    How is standing on the word and a person’s dislike or like of chocolate similar?

  26. Marjorie says:

    Sounds like there is a lot of rationalizing going on to justify showing anger. Yes, we are all sinners, but we have been crucified with Christ and should not be surrendering to the urges of our flesh. Let love be our guide. (Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.) We all need to stop and ask whether we are speaking in love or out of pride or fear. We are light in a world full of darkness. (Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify you Father in heaven.) It is far better to show grief at a person’s blindness than to lash out at him.(Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!)

  27. Marjorie says:

    Of course, I am preaching to myself and much as to anyone else.

  28. poohpity says:

    A really good example of apologetic theology was how Paul respectfully listened to the philosophers in Athens then spoke of the tribute to the unknown God. It was done with great respect then addressed what he knew of God with no anger, malice, sarcasm or hostility. Although some of the responses were hostile and angry there were those who wanted to hear more and then asked him for more info. I wonder what would have happened if he would have reacted to them in the same way some of them reacted to him? Would it have caused those who wanted to hear more still want to hear more or would it have turned them away?

  29. poohpity says:

    I agree Marjorie.

  30. bubbles says:

    I have yet to see anyone responde favorably to another who is yelling at them or being unkind to them.

    Among the fruits of the spirit listed are love. . . peace. . . gentleness. . . meekness (which is authority in control). . . temperance (which is self-control)
    Ummm. yelling and arguing are not listed here.

    It does not appear that Mart was throwing stones here. He was gently reminding ALL of us–everyone–to contemplate how we respond to others in the situation discribed above.

    I want to thank Mart for what he wrote. I understand his writing completely. It was convicting that I needed.

  31. bubbles says:

    respond–I cannot type today. ugh.

  32. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… my chocolate comment, of course was a joke in nature, but no matter what position one is taking on anything, not all others will agree!
    I used the stone throwing as a comparitive example to say we are all guilty… Not trying to fuel anyone’s fire!
    Now for your question… if I can understand what exactly you are asking it for, I would say… defending our faith, is what every person called to evangelize is challeged to do. Unless, everyone you come in contact with agrees with your stance, that Jesus Christ is
    the only way to the Heaven, Salvation, and God the Father. In my world, I find many souls do not readily believe this and will gladly challenge this belief system., we claim to live for!
    I believe the word says, If you deny me, Jesus Christ,I will also deny you. If you forsake me, God, I will forsake you! Sorry I can’t quote chapter and verse, but I’m sure you know this and do believe that is the truth!
    If you believe that, then you also believe that everyone you meet does not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and is Our God!, for some will forsake, and deny this as truth. So, we need to defend that position well or we fail to, Go out in the world and Make Disciples of all the Nations.

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    One has to be secure in their Faith to defend it.
    One has to run the race to win! Paul spoke of his runnig it well, contending, if you will, for the Faith.
    One must,Stand for something. or they will fall for anything.
    So, in that light, and in this dark world, we must defend our position, our walk, our way, against all others, or we fail others who are fed the lie of, “All roads lead to God and to Heaven.” This is a false teaching, and many hear it and believe it as well!

  34. oneg2dblu says:

    It is not that we are “not convinced,” that God could do anything without using our help, but it is defending our calling, it is in knowing the truth in His Word, that we are Commanded to get involved in the going out to all the nations and make, “For Him,” Disciples. So, I find your asking, such basic questions, are to test something? Gary

  35. poohpity says:

    I think if one is secure in their faith there is nothing to defend or convince it will be evident.

  36. poohpity says:

    My questions were to get to know and understand you better.

  37. bratimus says:

    To defend your faith?

    The Bible says that some of us will die standing for are faith.

    How does one defend his/her faith?

    Part of having faith upon Jesus Christ is to depend on Jesus to defend you.

  38. poohpity says:

    :-)

  39. oneg2dblu says:

    To Defend for the Faith one must put on the Armour of God! Armour is to help defend or protect yourself, from those things that would destroy you, and your faith. I hope that this “defense system” I speak of starts to sound familiar.
    Even if you are not concerned about losing your faith,
    you still need to put on the Armour daily. We have this work, this business of Enduring until the end,
    to constantly contend with! For those who endure to the end, will Inherit the Kingdom of God!
    So, there is a reason why we must defend ourselves, for Satan roams around seeking to devour.
    Our only real defense is to be in the Word of God daily,
    growing,asking, seeking,and knocking.
    Sorry I’ve possibly offended others by saying We must Defend for the Faith. I see our not being actively involved, as being un-involved, un-protected, un-willing, or disobedient to the Word!
    Be ready for the battle, ready to defend, for when it comes to your faith being tested, and it will come, for faith that is not tested, can not be trusted!
    I’m done with words, good night! Gary

  40. bratimus says:

    Faith is our shield that defends us from the fiery darts of the wicked one Eph. 6:16

    So faith defends us!

    How do we defend faith?

  41. poohpity says:

    Isn’t our faith a gift from God? Eph 2:7-9 Emotions seem to be the enemy of our faith in God and his abilities to protect and defend us so if we have little faith then we depend on our own anger, sarcasm and hostility to make our point. I know I do not listen to well when someone attacks me or when I attack someone else that just pushes them away. Gentle words turn away wrath.

    It all comes from God. The full armor of God is a gift from God and knowledge of scripture is from the Holy Spirit guiding, teaching and convicting us of sin. So it would seem that the only thing we need to do is cling to God and tell others how wonderful, forgiving and loving our God has been to us. We also get to do good things for others the rest is up to God. I can not think of better hands to be in.

  42. Mart De Haan says:

    Hey, thanks, all for keeping the discussion going. Am in the studio this week recording with Haddon and Alice and have not been able to put time into another post.

  43. cherielyn says:

    poohpity,
    Re: your comment “On this blog sometimes people just pop in and give an opinion then leave only wanting to be heard but never listening which may be a ego thing.”

    I never thought about it that way, but I feel I am one of those people who “just pop in” to leave a comment now and then. However, it is not an ego thing for me. I am one of those people who believes in “God gave us one mouth and two ears, so we can listen twice as much as we talk.” I do listen to the comments made by others and they are edifying to me. Perhaps I should be voicing that more frequently.

    I am not able to visit the blog on a daily basis. Sometimes two or more weeks go by between visits. When I do, I have a tendency to lay back in the weeds, reading the comments left by others and only contributing if the Lord leads me to share an insight that no one else has already shared. This has always been a part of my personality and I’m almost 65. I was a severe introvert when I was younger. I’m not as bad now, but never quite got over it, which makes it easier to “talk” in this fashion because we haven’t met face to face. I couldn’t do this standing up in front of a group of people. My knees would be quaking and I would probably pass out!

    Anyway, your comments and those of others on this blog have been a blessing to me ever since I first started visiting (about 4-5 years ago?). You and everyone else that participates in “Been Thinking About” are a blessing to me!

  44. cherielyn says:

    poohpity,

    I forgot to add that you did not offend me, in the least, with your comment.

    My friends and family have often referred to me as a duck because I let things slide off my back. If a comment could be taken two ways, it is my tendency (most of the time) to take it as the good way instead of the negative.

  45. poohpity says:

    cherielyn, It would probably be better if I did not say so much and listened more but I was referring to those who come with attitude and say some ugly stuff and never get to know anyone. They seem to jump to conclusions and have anger, judgment and criticism with no background usually as to who anyone else is on here. You have been around for a while and I consider you one of our long time friends.

    Because of my disabilities and love of this ministry I feel like this is my church group and home. For the last 4 years I do not know what I would have done without this blog. I will listen more and speak less, I get carried away sometimes. You and everyone on here are a blessing to me more than any of you will ever know. I have my coffee with all of you every morning after my time with the Lord. I love all of you.

  46. oneg2dblu says:

    bratimus… you keep asking this, so I’ll try again,
    to answer, but this will be my “last comment,” on this issue. (Defending the Faith)
    How do I defend the Faith?…I do just as we have done here… use the Word of God.
    “Faith comes through hearing, and hearing the Word of God!”
    That is my defense, and these are the words from the Holy Spirit that lives in me! :)

  47. poohpity says:

    cherielyn, a lot of us have gotten to know each other on facebook too!! Like plumbape, bubbles, Glenna, peg, sally, mtman, skoieta, and rocky.

  48. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… thanks for challeging my statements. I trust my answers are beneficial to your quest to knowing me, or my position in my Faith, a little better. Unfortunately, this medium we are using has some problematical points, like too many words are confusing. But what else do we have, but our words, as our evidence?
    If we can not “defend” our own words, then we are but empty useless vessels, and in the Kingdom of God,where we are required to be, the Hands,Feet,and Mouth of Christ in this world around us, then, just abiding is not enough to change this world, or we would not have been Commanded to go into the world sharing the Good News!
    Are we then to just abide, and just stay home, and let God do the spreading of His Word throughout the world?
    Or, are we to use our God-given Faith to bring about
    His Commandments?
    These are just some thoughts, that answering your questions, seem to bring up! :)

  49. oneg2dblu says:

    The Enemies of Faith to me, are not so much our human emotions, but mainly these two elements, Unbelief, and Disobedience. :)

  50. oneg2dblu says:

    Proverbs says, “All a man’s ways seem right to him, but in the end lead to Death!”

  51. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Lovely Sunny weather here in West Cornwall.
    Very warm at +20C, much hotter in London though.

    It’s a good day to show love to our brother and our neighbour!

    Bob

  52. poohpity says:

    Perfect day for that.

  53. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… please forgive my not taking into account your physical limitations. It is not that I am trying to be insensitive, I’m just quoting some scripture, that comes to mind. We are all on a different part of the road to our salvation, and growth in the Lord. We all have different life experiences that account for our voices being quite different, but when we share what we have to offer, we all gain from it!
    You have helped me to grow… and I have not always enjoyed it!
    Blogging takes a little getting used to, and having different temperments does always help.
    Your voice was very irritating to me, overly pushing if you will, but I have manasged to get beyond that forceful front, and I trust you know that much, about me. Gary :)

  54. poohpity says:

    My physical limitations have nothing to do with my mouth. They effect my legs, my heart effects my mouth. Thank you for the feedback on my personality there are always areas I need to work on.;-)

  55. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh…I feel that what comes out of the mouth, is what is in the heart as well, so we do agree.
    “It is not what goes into a man the defiles him, but what comes out!”
    What is in the heart, is also the totallity of our being, it includes our life experience, our handicaps, pimples, addictions, and sin natures, all that stuff of humanity which none of us can avoid, and in our own strength as when we try, it is usually presents itself in common worldly reactions, like retaliation.
    But, when we trust in, and focus on Our Lord, it is an attainable thing, this higher way of expression!
    Beyond our simple humanity, we find in us Christ’s Helper, which can help us to overcome even this form of worldliness! “Come Lord Jesus!”

  56. Marjorie says:

    Poohpity, God bless you. You have the patience of Job and see the best in everyone.

  57. Marjorie says:

    Mart’s question was “Where’s this emotion coming from.” It is sad to hear Christians excuse their ugliness as obedience to God’s word–to defend the faith. Romans 8:1 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” Perhaps they are feeling condemnation from walking in the flesh which leads them to accuse of pride those who would dare to exhort them. But we are commanded to exhort and encourage one another in our daily walk with Christ. Ephesians 4:29 says “Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.” Let’s ask ourselves whether or not we are imparting grace.

  58. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon All,

    Hope all is well in your lives.
    Well, today is the last day of school for the 2010-2011 school year in Texas! Now, I’m ready for a slice of watermelon and a Texas Summer! :-)

    Want to comment on Mart’s comment, “Do we intuitively sense that anger will enable us to make a better case for our beliefs? Has our experience taught us that people are more likely to be open to our thoughts when they see our anger or hear our sarcasm?

    I think that, sometimes (and I feel like I can speak for others as well as myself), our emotions get the better of us and before we know it we’re shouting our responses to statements, questions and accusations of people who don’t agree with our beliefs. I don’t think anger and sarcasm enables us to make a better case for our beliefs, rather, it shows our insecurity in our ability to articulate what we believe to be true about the Bible, our LORD Jesus, our world view or anything that we believe to be the absolute truth.
    I think we, intuitively, know that *anger* and sarcasm won’t make the situation better–it’s gonna make it worse—but it takes discipline and self-control in order to stay in control of our emotions.
    Further, I think experience has taught us that people are more likely to be less open to our thoughts and turned off by our anger and sarcasm, which is exactly the opposite of what we desire from people when we’re trying to get them to understand our point of view and what we believe to be the absolute truth. Anger and sarcasm causes people to shut down and/or take on the same attitude. Then, the conversation is basically over at that point. I believe Jesus is pleased when we can agree to disagree (where there’s no agreement) because there’s “agreement” in agreeing to disagree.

  59. bratimus says:

    In asking How do You defend your faith?

    just trying to see where everyone is coming from.

    As poohpity posted faith is a gift from God in God’s grace. God’s grace comes as in the aceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    The topic of this post is Where do these emotions come from.

    I think emptions come into play when we defend our belief’s not so much our faith.

    Faith is always there and how strong ones faith is how much we depend on Him. And the more you depend on Him your belief’s can change a little.

    I preety sure that more people read this post/blog then post comment. There are some confusing statements or something that i might not understand so i will ask a question trying to get more information.

    I know that one of the hardest things for the lost that is becoming a believer is all the confusion in belief’s.

    I hope this explains why i asked the question, i’m firm in the faith and firm in the words of God. I might have been asking a question someone else had they just didn’t want to add to our confusion LOL.

  60. poohpity says:

    Asking questions is the only way to get clarification. When someone asks a question and it gets answered with a question that is a control and defense mechanism. To me it is much better to ask questions than to assume what someone else is saying or jumping to conclusions and forming an opinion with out all the information. That will stop a lot of hurt feeling and arguments. Asking for more information or clarification is a sign of maturity and good communication skills. A lot of relationships and marriages are brought to ruin because of a lack of listening, understanding and clarifying what someone else is saying.

  61. oneg2dblu says:

    Everyone has an opinion… and not all opinions align themselves with the Word of God. Everyone has emotions as well, and not all emotions align themselves with the Word of God either.
    But, every word that proceedeth from the Mouth of God written in His Holy Bible, is complete and true, as it says, “All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly eqipped for every good work.”
    Which some of us may find as anger when it is presented to us, if we want to see anger in the rebuke. But not all rebukes contain anger, but they do contain truth, if they align with the Word of God.
    So, when God sends out a prophet, or the Holy Spirit moves within a Believer with a word that will not be well recieved, it may well be heard as being negative, or even assigned as angry. But, emotion does not have to play a part in the edification process. Unless, it is the Righteous Anger of God revealed! So, the answer to me, about where all the emotion comes from… I would say it comes from the hearer’s affect, who is being rebuked, and then comes the rejection, or sending of human retaliation, which is the result of hearing what we do not want to hear!
    Of course, there are other roots, and forms, of this emotionally driven result. I find this calling every conflicting word “with the label anger,”as one that is most prevalent, when our nature directs our thoughts.

  62. nezzar says:

    poohpity

    I have to agree with you this is also my church as there is no Spirit filled one available to me here. I have come to love many of the posters here, even if they’re all wrong. ;)

  63. royalpalm says:

    Hello, everyone,

    While anger and sarcasm are emotions that we have to avoid when interacting with others – it is easy to get
    carried away by our emotions especially when we are passionate about our Lord and His word.

    The Bible contains accounts of God and His prophets getting disappointed, frustrated, and angry at the calloused and hardened hearts of various people in their time.

    God’s questions then, may as well be asked of us, today:

    Numbers 14:11
    “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?”

    Psalm 4:2
    How long, O you sons of men,Will you turn my glory to shame? How long will you love worthlessness And seek
    falsehood?

    Matthew 17:17 (Jesus to his disciples)
    “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you?”

    Regarding sarcasm, moisesdias gave good examples. Another well-known case of Biblical sarcasm is Elijah’s taunting monologue to the prophets of Baal: “Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked” (I Kings 18:27).

    So it seems that while we are commanded to display the fruit of the Holy Spirit in everything that we do, there may be an occassion where righteous indignation and sarcasm are warranted to help people realize the spiritual danger they are in.

    I believe that as long as the desire of our heart is to honor God and bring glory to His Name, He can use us in any situation, in any way He wants.

  64. nezzar says:

    When did all emotions become negitive? I love Jesus very much and can’t help but to shed a tear every time I read or hear the story of the crusifixtion. When I try to read the Bible in a group setting I always chock up and can’t finish, because I am so pasionate about my God and His Word. I know that seeing the relationship that I have with Jesus is one reason that someone was saved. How do I know? They told me so.

    When Jesus gets sarcastic with the phariceis does that mean that they got the better of Him and He reacted out of insecurity? Or when they called Him a bastard child and He told them that their father was the devil, does that mean that Jesus lost control and reacted out of anger and insecurity? I tell you what let’s make a generalization to make life easier: Sarcasm is always a sign of insecurity. And confronting someone with false doctrine or their own sin is always a sign of anger and pride, never love. And if you worn someone that their house is on fire and they tell you its not the loving thing to do is to say “Jesus loves you!” as we run out of the house.

    I’m guilty of being pasoinate about my God and His word. The truths He teaches me are important or He wouldn’t teach me. If someone tells me that Jesus rose from the dead with a spirit body should I point them to 2John 7-11, or just let them burn? After all correcting false doctrine is just a sign of anger and that is not a fruit of the Spirit.

    Why am I so sarcastic? Because sometimes that’s the only way to get people to listen.

    I hope that everyone sees the last part of the above post as a joke and I don’t get too many emotional responses to that. I don’t want anyone to have emotions or anything.

  65. oneg2dblu says:

    nezzar… yes, we are all rightfully wrong. :) Because we are all imperfect by our sin nature. If we weren’t, we wouldn’t be here, need a God, or the Bible to help us to see our dreadful position, when it comes to being perfectly righteous, or attempting to be holy. We are, without, God In Us, unworthy and nothing but filthy rags!
    Defending an opposing doctrinal stance, or having a different opinion about any issue, or having a discourse of objection, does not have to be, a display of anger, malice, or sarcasm. But, when it is “recieved” as such by those who are caught with their hand in the cookie jar, out come all the rebellious labels! We can all relate to that! lol
    I like your form of humor, for it is almost recognizably human…Gary

  66. cherielyn says:

    poohpity,
    Off topic, but in response to your comment Re: Facebook.
    Wish I could get to know everyone more through Facebook. However, my internet security person warned me against social networking sites as having too much opportunity for viruses, etc. coming into my computer. I have lost two computers because of viruses, malware, or whatever to visit sites that might be a threat to my computer’s security.

    I valued mtman’s posts when he used to on here and was surprised when I saw his name on the list of Facebook people you gave. I wish there was another way to communicate besides Facebook.

    BTW, whatever happened to Loretta? Haven’t seen a post from her in a long time.

  67. poohpity says:

    You can set your security high on facebook. Beenthinking is also on facebook that is where I talked to mtman. I know we haven’t heard from Loretta in a while. There are a lot of people we haven’t heard from in a while but they may still read Mart’s posts just not comment. I am thinking about doing that as well, it maybe time to take a few steps back.

  68. Marjorie says:

    I agree, Poohpity. I was just getting started, but the waters get awfully muddy when you can’t relate to someone face to face. I will be doing a lot of reading and very little posting (as I used to do) for that reason.

  69. foreverblessed says:

    Marjorie, please keep on posting, I do not see the muddy waters! I enjoyed your posts.
    Posting here is a learning process, I noticed that I was looking to posts that would react to my own comments more then to other posts! Just to show how I am still more busy with my own thoudhts then someone elses, It is very good to learn to be notice my own old self here.
    It is Christ that has to grow in me, and I have to notice when it is my old self that has to be subdued.
    I am so gratefull that GOd is merciful, though a righteous man fall, Psalm 145:14 146:8-9 He sustains those who fall, but He frustatrates the way of the wicked.
    Jesus was harsh to those who were self sufficient, but not to htose who knew they failed.

  70. foreverblessed says:

    Marjorie, please keep on posting, I do not see the muddy waters! I enjoyed your posts.
    Posting here is a learning process, I noticed that I was looking to posts that would react to my own comments more then to other posts! Just to show how I am still more busy with my own thoudhts then someone elses, It is very good to learn to be notice my own old self here.
    It is Christ that has to grow in me, and I have to notice when it is my old self that has to be subdued.
    I am so gratefull that GOd is merciful, though a righteous man fall, Psalm 145:14 146:8-9 He sustains those who fall, but He frustatrates the way of the wicked.
    Jesus was harsh to those who were self sufficient, but not to those who knew they failed.

  71. nezzar says:

    oneg2dblu

    being human or real is what I think is the second most important thing to have a good witness. If I act all spiritual I come across as fake. How do I know? I used to do that. (eh… still do sometimes.)

    poohpity

    I enjoy your posts and I’m always curious as to what you might say. I hope that you continue to share your thoughts and hope that I haven’t offended you in any way.

  72. poohpity says:

    I enjoy your posts , nezzar!! If you want a laugh you ought to read the stuff I delete it is more fit for the gutter than for edification. I am so glad there is a delete button, ROFL. I can not wait for the day Gary asks me for my opinion of him. lol. As far as you offending me that is pretty tough to do. I respect you and as I have said before thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service. God keeps bringing those difficult people into your life because He knows that with Jesus in your life you can handle them all through him. Gosh look at what Jesus deals with everyday. Us!!! :-) Just some do not see themselves as being difficult, they are in denial, lol!

  73. poohpity says:

    Marjorie, please do not give up so soon at least wait a few years. Mart’s topics are the best. The opinions on here are like noses everyone has one some are just nicer looking than others, lol. I know for myself I am so thankful for the ability to discuss things with a variety of people that brings a little spice to life if you do not let the negative get to ya. Which I do.

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