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Day of Madness and Upsets

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The news for those following the March Madness NCAA Basketball tournament is that 10 or 15 years from now some will still be talking about Friday, March 16, 2012 as a day in which the “15s” pulled off some of the biggest upsets in NCAA tournament history.

Missouri was crushed by 15th ranked Norfolk State; Lehigh, another 15th ranked team, beat Duke; and my own home state team of Michigan lost to 13th ranked Ohio (not Ohio State).

For many it will also be a day of broken brackets. Few of those competing with one another in predicting the tournament champions would have foreseen these second day outcomes in their projected brackets of winners and losers.

Since I enjoy sports but don’t know enough to be considered a fan, I probably should be leaving this one to Bill Crowder our Sports Spectrum chaplain. But am intrigued by how often  sports writers and commentators call on the story of David and Goliath to explain such upsets.

Seems to me that if we can take the next step of moving from the diversion of sport to the real issue of unexpected outcomes we might end up the story of David and Goliath to the unlikely outcomes of Jesus and those who follow him.

We get a hint of a new way of thinking when a former enemy of Christ writes in praise of One “who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us” (Eph 3:20).

Am guessing you’d agree that living in anticipation of unexpectedly good outcomes doesn’t come naturally. If we tried to fill out a “brackets life map” in an attempt to predict the surprises God has for us, we probably wouldn’t get very far.  From what Paul writes, our Lord’s idea of good upsets means that he loves us far more than we can naturally project from our present circumstances or emotions (Eph 3:14-21).

 


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  1. foreverblessed says:

    that living in anticipation of unexpectedly good outcomes, is not something that is naturally, it is something given to us in faith, by faith and through faith: Jesus has already overcome all, He is victorious, all conquering, ever reigning,!
    If we believe that with a real faith, and act on it, that Jesus is walking just ahead of us, and we follow Him, we are invincible.
    But how often in normal life,when setbacks come, when people doubt God, I forget that, and shrink back, and get worried (will it ever turn out right?)
    Yes, that’s why it is so good to start the day singing Psalms ans hymns praising God, that those words fill our minds, and these words will pop up often.
    Once I heard the Messiah by Haendel in a church, that is so uplifting, especially the Halleluyah chorus, Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings

  2. SFDBWV says:

    I seen a “Brackets Map” in a political cartoon a few days ago that pit all the various expenditures against fuel prices, as it came down to the winner it was of course fuel that won out.

    I would suppose if we were to see our own personal “Brackets Life Map” we might see how down through all the face offs that in the end God wins after all.

    Many conflicts ago I was amazed to hear a Palestinian child throwing stones at Israeli tanks making the David and Goliath comparison.

    Interesting to me how the story of David and Goliath gets used in many situations, but void of its message concerning God’s role in the matter.

    Steve

  3. BruceC says:

    I agree with you foreverblessed. Listeneing to Handel’s Messiah is one of the most uplifting composures ever written and I love it also.

    All one has to do is look around at the world and even at ourselves and see how the brackets are filled in according to our own hopes and desires. We look at the things of life and try to foresee how they may turn out (or how we hope they will). But as believers we soon come face to face with the fact that our life is in His hands. He alone knows the beginning from the end. The world on the other hand is trying to make a different outcome. Look how many think that politics or the economy will solve all the problems that are in front of mankind. Or diplomacy or military might.
    But we know that the outcome of the tournament has already been cast and all we have to do is trust and follow our Coach.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  4. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends!

    My thoughts turn to a Muslim who comes to believe in the Prophet Isa as Messiah — or a Hindu who hears the Word and receives Christ — even a gangster who turns to Jesus and away from a destructive lifestyle. Their lives become dangerous and possibly unbearable. In fact, their lives may actually be taken from them by death or imprisonment.

    In Christ we have the promise of life that cannot be destroyed or confined in any way, by any enemy or any force in the universe. (Acts 1:3) The restoration of which Jesus spoke is not confined to a Philistine battle field — nor any nation — nor anyone’s individual life-grid. He told them, “This is what you have heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit…” (v 5)

    I wonder whether the world perceives the victory that is won in Christ. It seems it does not.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  5. yooperjack says:

    Steve: I agree with your last sentence. Those that live by sight think David didn’t have a chance against Goliath but those who do not live by sight but by faith knew Goliath did not have a chance against David and his mighty God.

    Those that live by sight think Satan is winning the battle (game)on this Earth but we that don’t live by sight but by faith read the end of the book “WE WIN” along with our “MIGHTY GOD”. The victory banquet for us is being prepared as we speak.

  6. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning… I agree it is important to pray for all those world leaders, that they will have their eyes and ears opened to the greater things that God would have in place for us all. But, we can also pray for all those whom we entrust our children every day, that they also have their focus on the greater things of God as well, for those childern grow up to be our world leaders. Gary

  7. poohpity says:

    This past week I listened to the odds for children born out of wedlock to drug addicts in a single parent home with below poverty level income. They say that they are the most likely to end up on the streets addicted to drugs with no jobs and end up in jail or worse. Yet, with Christ involved the drug addicts get freed from drugs go back to college and their children end up with good jobs and going to college themselves living on their own with hope in their future because of One person. A person who loved them enough to see they had possibles to overcome the odds.

    Jesus does not listen to the odds or the upsets he sees potential in every single person to be someone who will bring good to those around them and benefit the world they live in. He sees things that most of us would thumb our noses at but he sees their worth enough to have laid down His life for them. If we could only see that in others but we can put them into the hands of One who can form things out of dust or speak things into existence.

  8. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Mart – What stands out to me is the way you referred to Paul as a “former enemy of Christ.” When we think “enemy of Christ,” someone who has made his life’s goal to follow God’s law and be a pillar of his society doesn’t come to mind.

    To be a Pharisee, didn’t one have to begin studying the scriptures at a very early age? Paul was a Pharisee of great standing. He was the best. He was a prominent, well-respected man in his community. Yet after having his eyes opened to the Truth and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ, he was stoned, flogged, and rejected. He was put in prison and he was alone, asking if someone could bring him a coat and a couple of books. He was put to death.

    He was “living in anticipation of unexpectedly good outcomes” however. Philippians 3:8

    God is far above anything we can think or imagine.

    Acts 9:4 What’s crazy about this verse is that Paul thought he was doing what was right in God’s eyes by stoning Christians. He was trying to follow the law he’d been raised in. I pray that my expectations of righteousness in myself and others don’t end up leading me to go against the grace of Jesus Christ.

  9. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Seems the language barrier and 250 years of divergent sports history has confused me again.
    I assume by “brackets” you mean a “fixtures table” where one team is drawn against another and the victor moves on to the next stage?
    Anyway as followers of Jesus we live in constant victory even though it may appear, by sight, that we have lost.
    Just read through Ruth last night at our bible study and it is amazing how God used her and led her to be redeemed by Boaz and also how Naomi was blessed by an adopted grandson at the end.
    The whole story hinges around two verses and an absolute commitment by Ruth to Naomi and her God.
    Ruth 1:16,17
    When we commit to God, He commits to us and nothing will stand against us.
    We’re on the winning team, this year next year and forever!

    Bob

  10. poohpity says:

    True that tracey, Jesus seemed to have seen that Paul was so zealous in his beliefs that He could use that zeal to go against the Jewish beliefs that only they were worthy of salvation and took it to the Gentiles.

  11. poohpity says:

    A women alone with no male to care for her was in that time so disgraceful and then with 2 single women wow, that was really going against the odds in that culture. That story they have said is an example of Jesus being our kinsman redeemer. Isn,t it so amazing that the story of Jesus is so connected through out Scriptures.

  12. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Pauls Heart was for God and it must have been a great shock to him when Jesus revealed Himself.
    Paul imediately called Him Lord and knew who He was and the dreadful mistake he had made in persecuting the body of Christ.
    How was Paul to know lest Christ opened his eyes?
    Yes Pauls zeal was for God. Jesus is God!
    Paul may have been a Jew by birth and learned in the law, but he was born amongst the gentiles and understood their ways.
    He was the perfect choice, but he still had to retrain his thinking,mind & heart for three years in Jerusalem before he set out on his tour of duty in Christ.

    Bob

  13. dayspring says:

    Hello. Life in christ enables us 2 live a life of ease. Not that we won’t pass through fire but that we won’t get burned. Christ has given a life that others would c and ask if we do not have problems. Such a life is a life of faith. The attitude described in Phil.4:4-7 can only be enjoyed by 1 who has total faith in the Lord.

  14. poohpity says:

    Amen, Bob. After knowing the Scriptures I bet after his eyes were opened he went back and understood the Scriptures with the thread being exposed to a more thorough understanding.

  15. poohpity says:

    Bob, I wonder if Ruth a Moabite knew she was going to be in the “fixtures table” of Jesus.

  16. davids says:

    Great comments so far. Yes, Bob, you are correct in your understanding of the terms.

    Many people get confused in sports. They feel that the outcome of their favorite team has a direct bearing on their personal happiness or success.

    We believers can be like that too, confusing our fate with that of God’s Kingdom. The faith has survived 2000 years. Even today it grows worldwide. In Africa and Asia it wins millions, even as many in the West turn their backs. It is winning.

    But what does that have to do with my personal fate? In Christ I know that I have joy and salvation. But my fate is not tied to that of the church. I have seen and will see death, defeat, and difficulty. That does not keep me from putting my faith in the winning team.

  17. davids says:

    I would just add that this confusion between personal and group fate can extend to other areas, like politics.

    Bob and Poohpity, Ruth is such a gem of a book. Maybe I mentioned this before, but there is a wonderful series of sermons by Joe Stowell on Ruth that can be found on the RBC-related site Strength for the Journey.

  18. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks David for the note about the sermons on Ruth, I will look them up.
    It seems Ruth has become a theme for me to study on my week off work.
    Getting ready for a good day at church, today we have Don Double as our speaker, he is cornish and often attends our little barn. He has run Good News Crusade for many decades and is a great Evangelist who has seen the brethren in Africa grow from strength to strength.
    As you said David, we in the west are turning our backs on God.
    Watch this space!
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is on the move and about to unleash a mighty outpouring of His Spirit in our midst.
    Hallelujah!!!!

    Bob

  19. SFDBWV says:

    I have not enjoyed watching sports for a great long time. There once was a time when I did play and enjoy watching Baseball, but all that has faded into a past age.

    Today sports is all about money, even college sports has nothing to do with education and everything to do about getting those TV contracts and the money that goes along with them.

    Young men and women are set aside as special from the earliest age and their moral and intellectual growth set aside as well so as to *create* the best team and *win*.

    High schools push kids through without some even learning the most basic of skills, giving them special treatment and *hero* status just because they may have athletic talent.

    Colleges recruit them and treat them as gods promising them whatever tastes the youngster may have in order to get them to *play* for them.

    If some make it to the professional sports, and few do, they are used as ammunition in order to *win*. Of the few that do make it to the top, they are given mega million dollar awards for their talents.

    And what are those talents when compared to the work done by millions of people in order to make everyone else’s life better?

    No today and maybe always, people have given too much attention and too much hero worship to the wrong people, distorting what is truly important and valuable in life.

    Satan offered all that this world had to offer to Jesus, He not only turned it down but rebuked Satan for doing so.

    Everyone who takes the bright glitter and short lived glamour that the world has to offer is on a pathway to a great *upset* when they finally come to their last game and have to face God.

    God will grace their lives and give them the upset they need in order to rethink their lives and seek Him, some do many do not. For some their 15 minutes of fame is worth their eternal souls.

    For me I thank God for the *upsets* in my life, as it has shown me that God was concerned for me and when I needed it, He upset my plans for His.

    Steve

  20. poohpity says:

    I wonder if the eleven knew that Jesus would take them beyond their normal activities of life, working, caring for their families, paying taxes and going to the market more the mission He gave all His followers to do. People that were nothing special or had any special talents or were looked down upon to tell everyone around them the Good News.

    They walked with Him three years then were told to wait after His rising so they could have the help of the Holy Spirit for that very purpose to tell others what they had experienced with Jesus and what He did for a world. They went from 12 to 50 to 500 to 3000 and as we follow our Lord trillions will know what was done for them on Cavalry.

    I love it that He used the underdogs, according to our thoughts, to bring the message of Hope to the world around us just as He has hand picked each one of us to carry that message to our neighbors, friends, family and around the world. We have a mission.

  21. poohpity says:

    Steve it seems true for most athletes they work so hard and are really nobody until they get discovered for their talents which are God given. Then they go from humble means to swollen heads. Hard work to self importance. Success has a way of changing a person but there are a hand full that still give credit where credit is due and go on to give Glory to God thus pointing people to Jesus and carrying His message even in the sports world.

  22. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Steve,
    I can relate to what you said….”For me I thank God for the *upsets* in my life, as it has shown me that God was concerned for me and when I needed it, He upset my plans for His.”

    I know in my own life I would not be here now chatting on this blog if it were not for God taking me down a peg or two.
    At 15 years old I met God and knew Him but at 24 I was in the world and earning a lot of money with a good job in London.
    At 47 I decided to leave it all and moved to Cornwall for all the wrong reasons.
    God had His own agenda and by bringing me low and removing everything I had, like Job only with good health, He has restored me back to a place of Sonship by which I now rely on my Father in all things(most of the time!)
    If we are taliking about the “fixtures list” of life then, although we know the final result the journey there is fraught with many attempts to do the right thing and many failures.
    Every team and athlete has a manager/coach to get them to the final game intact!
    God is our Manager/Coach, God is our King, God is our Friend.
    Submit to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you, leaving you free to win the race and receive the prize.

    Bob

  23. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve and Bob, for sharing some of your life’s story (I mistyped lofestory, isn’t our lifestory in retrospect a lovestory form God to usward?)
    Looking back we can see how much patience God had with us. if we saw how much of our disgrace God has seen and yet wants to work with us, should we not be graceful to our fellow man, when we see him misbehaving? Today, I heard the pastor say: we can see how far we have moved up the grace way, by our willingness to forgive our fellow man. The grace we have received is the grace we can give on. So if we cannot forgive very much, we should look for more grace from God, by asking Him: search our hearts, Psalm 139:23

  24. poohpity says:

    That reminds me of what Paul wrote to the church in Corinth 1 Cor 1:26-29;
    26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him.

    Yes foreverblessed grace needs to be a vital part of our lives. We can have all types of abilities but if grace and love are not displayed it is for nothing like it says in 1 Cor 13:13. In my opinion nothing draws people to God better than showing them the same grace we have received and in that we have to be so aware of our own need of that grace. If we feel we have earned the grace and love of God by our behavior or thought of our own goodness then we expect others to live a life deserving as well and no one deserves Gods’ grace.

  25. poohpity says:

    The last few days it has been around 86 degrees f and then this morning after church and a rainy day, 10 miles east from my home on top of the Superstition Mountains it was covered in snow. How amazingly beautiful!! How unexpected is that?

  26. remarutho says:

    Good Evening Mart & Friends –

    Mart, you link the college basketball upsets of 3/16/12 to the remarkable and unexpected victories of the kings of Judah:

    “Seems to me that if we can take the next step of moving from the diversion of sport to the real issue of unexpected outcomes we might end up the story of David and Goliath to the unlikely outcomes of Jesus and those who follow him.”

    Here’s the thing: If real, God-willed, Spirit-caused resurrection of the body to new life is not the outcome of the death of Jesus of Nazareth; then the claims of the gospel are not true. Jesus, Son of God and Son of Man – root of Jesse and son of David – either is the first-born from the dead or he is not.

    All the traditions and long-held belief in personal self-determination are coming to an end. All these empires are upset by the in-breaking kingdom of God and his Christ.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  27. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Hope all is well with you. Had a great time at church today worshiping our LORD with dear brothers/sisters in Christ. :-) Mart, your intro comment brought The Titanic to mind. Many people thought the passenger liner was “unsinkable” because it was designed by good architects and built strong and sturdy. An old saying comes to mind, “Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket.” Have found that the only thing that’s not subject to change is God’s love for us (Rom. 8:35-39).

    Love to all…

  28. Regina says:

    Warm, windy and cloudy in Texas today (72 degrees).

  29. Regina says:

    *72 degrees now

  30. BruceC says:

    Maru,

    Your last paragraph is great and so true!

    In our culture we are fed the fantasy that as long as you work hard you will be sucessful. What a lie. There are no guarantees apart from those made by God. Things can happen to folks that shatter that fantasy of our culture and do so at a rate the world doesn’t like to admit.
    The final “empire of prideful, rebellious man” is coming soon and that will fall like all the rest to the King of Kings.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  31. SFDBWV says:

    In zeroing in on Mart’s last paragraph “Am guessing you’d agree that living in anticipation of unexpectedly good outcomes doesn’t come naturally.”

    This sentence got a broad smile out of me, because once you have lived long enough to have experienced enough upsets in your life, what you usually expect next is the “next shoe to fall”.

    For those among us that may not understand that analogy, it means the next disaster to come crashing down around you.

    Life has a way of making many of us *hope* for what is not seen or being experienced, but at the same time take each step with all caution praying for that “good outcome” yet being prepared for yet another *upset*.

    Ephesians 3: 20 tells us that Christ is able to do more than we ask of Him, yet ties it to the power of the work that is in us.

    Ephesians 3: 14-21; in this verse Paul asks that we be strengthened by His power through His Spirit.

    It usually doesn’t take supernatural strength to enjoy victory, but it does to endure a defeat or an upsetting situation in life.

    Perhaps this is why the scripture verses in Philippians 4: 4-7 concludes with Philippians 4: 7 seeing that we can be filled with the peace of Christ even though we don’t get what we ask for, only the strength to endure.

    Steve

  32. SFDBWV says:

    After posting and realizing some among you may misinterpret my statement concerning Ephesians 3: 14-21, I made a grammatical error and it may seem as if I am referring to Paul’s power and spirit whereas I am of course referring to God’s power and The Holy Spirit.

    Sorry if I confused anyone it was just a grammatical error or my part. I hope this clears up any confusion.

    Steve

  33. poohpity says:

    Talk about great upsets, Romans 5:6-8 NLT. Not because of anything we can do but Just Because of God’s love. When life hands us lemons God is in the habit of making Lemonade.

    He took a 14 year old boy who was delivering lunch to his brothers to bring down one who was opposing the nation of Israel so God’s name could be Gloried 1 Sam 17:45-47 NLT. God used one nation lowly under servitude by one man’s hand just in time to bring glory to His name Exodus 14:31 NLT.

    Where I live there is a young man in his early 30’s that suffered a horrible motorcycle accident that has his left side paralyzed, can’t speak well and uses a electric wheelchair he is on his own but yet he does not have the Lord. He uses drugs and drinks but he still is living on his own which totally is amazing to me but is angry and destructive. Then there is an elderly Hispanic man who has the Lord who is blind in one eye his body is totally disfigured and I could go on with his physical limitations but he walks around talking about how great our God and is quite the witness, it is so amazing. At church on Sunday they had a man in Ethiopia who had no arms yet made little chairs with his feet by using hammers, saws and lathe with his feet yet he attributed everything to the Lord and was proclaiming the Gospel. He has no family so he works in his garden with his feet and has a smile on his face, full of joy.

    There are many who have overcome great obstacles whether believers or not but the difference with the upsets for the Lord are the ones who like Paul killed Christians then turned to proclaim the Gospel. The difference is those who have the Lord and those who do not is their joy and spreading the Gospel or having a sour face, angry and full of self pity but have used their weaknesses to bring Glory to the Lord. Those seem to be the upsets in life is how and what we use the difficulties in life for.

  34. SFDBWV says:

    Mart has stated he enjoys sports, but doesn’t know enough to be considered a fan. I don’t enjoy watching sports, but do know human nature and of human nature I am no fan only an observer and recipient of it.

    The fact that top ranked college basketball teams lost to lesser thought of teams, tells me several things.

    First of all what is it that those who rank teams look for in setting one team above another even before they play?

    Did being expected to win, weaken the will of the players who figured this was just a step they needed to get past, causing them not to be playing up to their potential?

    Was it because the team that was considered the *underdog*, figure they had to prove themselves that they played harder in order to win?

    Was it that on any given day those who face the contest of competition come up against unexpected obstacles and unless prepared for it succumbs to it?

    The list can go on, but I am wondering where we as Christians fit in as a team as we come up against our adversaries of the world.

    Have we practiced enough in order to be at our best when competition comes?
    Do we think we need to contribute nothing because we know we are on the winning team?
    Have we underestimated the strength of the opposition?
    Do we rest on the work done by others?
    Do we blame the other plays of our own team when we lose?
    Are we a team at all or a bench filled with individual wannabe Allstars?

    I am wondering where is everyone on this one?

    Steve

  35. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends!

    It seems to me, Pooh and Steve, we have reduced the discussion to something like personality or world-view of individuals – very hard to call.

    Mart, you wrote:
    “For many it will also be a day of broken brackets. Few of those competing with one another in predicting the tournament champions would have foreseen these second day outcomes in their projected brackets of winners and losers.”

    I have just come back from a conference on care of the dying and their families. Many facets of that kind of care were taught and discussed. One thing emerges for all of us – Drs, nurses, social workers, chaplains, aides, volunteers – the team that works together to serve these families need each other. In fact, the spiritual and mental health of hospice workers depends upon an affirming, safe environment in the interdisciplinary team (among all these diverse callings mentioned). When friction and accusation or de-valuing occur, the whole team loses its ability to nurture both team members and the dying person and all those loved ones gathered around the bedside.

    It seems to me, in the complex interrelation between mind, body and spirit, competition is a worrying and caustic atmosphere in which to function, or work, but most especially to answer God’s call in our lives. We win when we cooperate and support one another. We lose when we compete. Hospice work is not college basketball – nobody is building a career or looking to earn eight figures a year, but it is something to think about.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  36. yooperjack says:

    Steve: Christianity in America in not (a) team effort they’re a bunch of teams playing against each other. Don’t kid yourself, in many cases they’re more like a corporation with million dollar budgets. They compete for our dollars; some times with carnal methods of operation. Watch those telethons on TV it will make you sick. The Catholic Church is its own country. So there is no comparison to sports team efforts. It’s more like war and your money is the spoils.

    I’m speaking gerneral here the big picture not small groups of Christians.

  37. BruceC says:

    Never have been much of a fan of many of the athletic sports. I feel as Steve does that the whole affair easily becomes an idol and the Lord receives little; if any glory.

    Living not far from Cooperstown of Baseball Hall of Fame renown I can vouch for the idol part. What used to be a quaint village has become a Mecca or place of adoration for the fans. When I was first a Deputy Sheriff we had to work security for induction day and most of the players treated the kids like they were a nuisance. They were told to get in line for autographs and then pay for them. But there were exceptions. Like Ted Williams who had kids flock around him and treated them wonderfully. A real day of “Madness and Upsets” I guess.
    From this I see where love of self is so hurtful; both to others and ourselves. Sooner or later the upsets come and lovers of self come apart with no strength to stand.
    But we who believe on the other hand already know the outcome and until we arrive there Jesus is always there by our side.
    In the “game of life” (although it truly is no game) we who believe are in the final game and we see the victory already won by our Champion!! Those who rejected him have fallen in the brackets.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  38. remarutho says:

    Each person on this planet — those in prison for life without parole and those who face east five times a day to bow down and pray to the Creator of all things — has a visible and an invisible nature.

    God in Christ, by the moving of the Holy Spirit, has a purpose for each of us — billions of people. Both sports and nature teach survival of the fittest. Can we discern the kingdom principle in all this?

    Maru

  39. remarutho says:

    Joyous Spring to All!

    Whatever the other signs of the times and the seasons, the sun is going to shine on the Northern Hemisphere a while. :-) Psalm 19:1, 2, 3, 4

    Blessings,
    Maru

  40. yooperjack says:

    BruceC: Life may not be a game but is full of foolish little games.

  41. Regina says:

    Good Morning All,

    Hope all is well with you this morning, and hoping/praying that we’ll remember our LORD’s sacrifice no matter what kind of day we have today.

    Steady down-pour of rain in Texas this morning (Oklahoma is seeing a lot of rain which started yesterday too), and the temp is 54 degrees. Don’t know what I’ll have on my plate today (i.e. work, chores, etc.), but I plan to do all to the glory of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.

    I just finishing reading a few of the comments on this blog topic, and I’ll read more when I have time. Getting ready to go have breakfast (love cereal with banana, boiled egg, melba toast & water) and watch some Christian tv. :-)

    Love to all…

  42. SFDBWV says:

    Halleluiah, there for a while I thought I was in the Twilight Zone, I am so glad to *hear* from you all.

    Maru I am not sure what to make from your statement directed at pooh and I, except to say that for two days there has been no discussion as one sided comments are hard to turn into a conversation.

    I could not agree more that when people are suppose to act as a team especially when dealing with the end of life issues with people or especially in the saving of life issues there can be no *Allstars” it has to be a well oiled machine all working together for the end result.

    Isn’t this what Jesus wants from His Church? All of us pulling together with His goals in mind not individual ones.

    Jackie almost each Easter there is a story about a fist fight between Priests and monks of the Roman Catholic Church and those of the Eastern Orthodox Church over who gets to preside over the Holy site of the tomb of Jesus there in Jerusalem.

    With all due respect to our friend Mart we are not permitted to give web sites of competing Christian organization here on the blog.

    Hank Williams Jr. sings a song that includes the lines “That TV preachers asks us to send our money to God, but gives you his (the TV preachers) address.”

    Benny Hinn spits on people with head aches and states they are healed while dozens of crippled and bed ridden people are off camera and never get the attention of the *star* preacher.

    I truly believe that most of these TV preachers start out with good intentions but get caught up in the business of making money and lose sight of their calling and purpose.

    Mart’s segue from sports to Christianity has similarities in that some of us are team players and some are superstars and some just want to be on the team.

    You are also correct in stating that we are a bunch of teams playing against each other, but this is not what Jesus wants and our being so divided is what makes us weaker against the world’s evil. We are seen as nothing special just another *religion* among many.

    Bruce when Matthew was in the 11th grade of high school his coach had a small child who was very sick and dying of an incurable heart malady. The coach ended up with a sizable medical bill following the little boy’s death. A lesser known Professional Baseball player who played for Philadelphia in the World Series, John Kruk, came to the school with some of his buddies and put on an exhibition basketball game with the boys, signed baseball cars for a donation and made a donation himself all for the effort of helping the coach pay his hospital bills for his son.

    Nothing mentioned in any of the sports news or national news, my guess is that there a lot of good guys out there in the world of sports who use their unique position to help others. They just don’t get the attention of the superstars.

    This has ran longer than I expected so I will say good to hear from you all again and see you all later if I can.

    Steve

  43. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    As many of you may of gathered, I am not pro American in my attitude to life.
    One reason, as Steve has stated above, is American Christian TV “stars”.
    Luckily the culture differnce and accent makes US TV evangelism sound a bit repulsive to us in the UK and is probably responsible for a lot of ant American and Anti Christian feeling around the world.
    Burning other peoples religious books at home and in war zones does not go down too well either from a nation that preaches tolerance and freedom and expects other people to follow their example as well as forcing democracy on ancient cultures that have no history or understanding of how to live without constraint and discipline from government.
    Every nation state, including the USA, will soon have to submit to the anti christ in order to sort out this finacial mess we are all in. That will be followed by the tribulation and ultimately the return of Messiah!
    He will then set up a world order that will in turn submit to His authority, bring true Peace on Earth for 1000 years.
    When it comes to world leagues and fixtures tables() we ain’t seen nothing yet!

    Bob

  44. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    There… Glad I got that off my chest. lol

  45. phpatato says:

    David and Goliath…Here’s a modern day story of such a thing.

    I follow NASCAR. NASCAR is different from all other sports because their biggest day is the first race of the season – the Daytona 500 – over other sports that have a big championship game capping off the end of the season. The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s biggest, richest and most prestigious race and winning that race is the absolute ultimate for any driver/owner/sponsor. It took racing legend Dale Earnhardt Sr 20 tries (20 years) to win his first Daytona 500.

    The perks of winning the Daytona 500 are more than just collecting the largest payout in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series or hoisting the prestigious Harley J. Earl trophy. Winning stock car racing’s greatest prize also brings fame and fortune for the driver. Car owners win huge sponsorship deals from corporate America; corporate American reap the benefits of getting product awareness out to Joe public. It’s a win win for all involved.

    Last year, a young kid by the name of Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500 driving the #21 race car. He was 20 years and 1 day old – the youngest driver to ever win the race. It was only his second Sprint cup race. No one has ever won that race in their first attempt.

    Trevor climbed out his race car in victory lane and one of the first things he did was point to the sky to acknowledge God. In his winning interview he glorified God. His testimony says it all:

    “I don’t even want to have to say anything. I want people to look at me and say, ‘There’s something different about this kid. He looks different. He acts different. He has joy'”

    In man’s eyes, Trevor came first. In Trevor’s eyes, God comes first. Taken from his website is this quote: “God is in control and He is powerful and He can do whatever He wants to, whenever He wants to, with whomever He wants to. The Daytona 500 win is great but it doesn’t define me. Christ defines me. My name is Trevor Bayne and I am Second”.

    NASCAR is full of Bible-believing born again Christians….Joe Gibbs, car owner/football coach, Darrell Waltrip, driver/commentator, David Reutimann, driver, Dale Jarrett, driver/commentator, Jimmy Makar, crew chief/director of competion and many more. I think it is the only sport that openly prays before each race engaging a hundred thousand fans in the stands and millions more viewers at home. Motor Racing Outreach is a christian based ministry that travels each week to minister to drivers, their families and fans before each race.

  46. yooperjack says:

    Phpatato: Can you remember when a bunch of southern boys would throw a car together and then race on sunday afternoon? Now the sponsers make the rules and control the race. It’s still worth watching but I’m glad they cleaned it up a little; drivers throwing stuff out the window to cause a caution was getting out of hand. I almost stoped watching it.

  47. yooperjack says:

    Bob: I hear Christianity has taken a beating in England Churches are near empty; is that true?

    Those bad apples sure make us Americans look bad but there are still many good folks in this country. Money talks everything else walks, if you know what I mean. We have 424 billionaires and 32 million, millionaires in America what do you expect? They want or are already controlling the world. They control all communication, oil, food and the Government. We will be a service and information nation before long.

    But read the end of the Book, we believers win the game.
    We are champions in Jesus Christ.

  48. phpatato says:

    Yooper, that sounded like my husband back in the early 70s. He is our local track champion for Figure 8….remember thoses races? lol He’s from Newfoundland Canada – yup a goofy Newfy – enough said! hahaha But he and his “sponsor” went into the junk yard and built his race car. Instead of racing on Sun though, he raced Wed evening.

    You are right I think though about sponsors being heavy-handed. I may be wrong but I believe an incident just last year within the MWR organization used that heavy arm to oust a driver. But there are some very good sponsors out there..such as Interstate Batteries. It’s chairman is a professing brother in Christ.

    I am fortunate to be able to Lord willing, go to the race at the end of this month in Martinsville Va with my son. I’m looking forward to seeing my first Nascar race live!

  49. yooperjack says:

    Phpatato: I use to go to MIS when I lived in Lower MI. I was at the indy car inageral race many years ago. It’s alot of fun if you don’t mind noise and crowds. Have fun and take some ear plugs.LOL

  50. poohpity says:

    Gee Maru, I did not think what I said had anything to do with reducing the discussion to something like personality or world-view of individuals. I thought that Mart was trying to use a metaphor of upsets with sports teams to the upset of what Christ did for us while we were yet sinners. Something so totally unexpected and undeserved.

    I then went on to identify several instances where because of the Lord using people that the world would normally call useless to carry out His plan in the OT and the NT on into this present time. People that the world around us would cast off as good for nothing but that the Lord used to carry the message of salvation.

    I do not do very well at getting what I am thinking into a relevant point I guess. I hope this helps you to understand that I certainly without a doubt do not believe in personalities or world-views of individuals but I rather consider that the Lord can use whomever He likes and knows will get His message out. The Lord knows who is willing to carry their Cross and experience the persecution that comes from the Great Commission. He seems to use people that the normal world around would cast off as underdogs.

    So the greatest upset is as Mart pointed us to, “our Lord’s idea of good upsets means that he loves us far more than we can naturally project from our present circumstances or emotions”.

  51. poohpity says:

    ooops again I used the word metaphor when it should have been comparison or contrasts of what Christ did for us.

  52. poohpity says:

    I used to look at some TV evangelists with a bit of contempt also and thought that they seemed to be elevating themselves with abilities to heal and just making money when at times it seemed to put many people out. They seemed to make people desire to follow them rather than the Lord. During one of those times I asked the Lord why He let’s them continue and He gave me some verses in the bible Mark 9:38-42 NLT. I then looked not at them for their teaching so much but how many people have accepted Christ from their ministries and after they accept Christ I trust that God will then show them more about himself by their desire to read the Word and find out more about Him. They are just a stepping stone for the spreading of the Gospel once they are the Lord’s it is Him alone who will help them grow in their knowledge and love of Him.

  53. poohpity says:

    That is why in the past that many have said with the foundation of God’s Word you will know for yourself who is teaching truth but to beware of the many who say they come in the name of the Lord but are wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing. It is up to each individual to make sure you are not deceived.

  54. yooperjack says:

    It’s not the preaching I have a problem with it’s the way they do their fund raising. I could give you the names of those expert money men that talk people out of money they may not have. These men are like snake oil salesmen. One of them just picks a number out of the Bible like 77 then says if you give 77 or 777 or 7777 dollars you will get 30-60 or 100 fold back. If it were true why don’t there ministry give 10 million to the poor so they can get 30-60-100 fold for their ministry.

    Don’t get me wrong giving is the thing to do if God leads you to give to a ministry but the way they do their fund raising is wrong in my understanding. It’s never right to deceive people. The Bible uses 30-60 and 100 fold but I don’t believe it is meant to fill the pockets of millionaires.

  55. poohpity says:

    Some of them have had money before they went into ministry but you are correct that some have become millionaires off the backs of those who follow them. Again it is up to each individual to be aware of where they donate and to follow the Lord’s direction where to give and what to give. I for one contribute to RBC ministries because they do no fund raising and promote the Word of God getting into the hands of the many. Many times RBC offers things with a donation of any amount. It is quite refreshing. We have to be on our toes checking out the viability of the organizations and be open to the Lord’s leading with any contributions.

    I always remember that in the end we will all give an account of our behaviors to Lord, so I just have to watch what I do because that is the only person I have control of and will answer for.

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