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Mystery of an Unlikely Hero

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Samson is one of the most interesting people of the Bible. Like the Philistine, Goliath, he’s remembered for his legendary physical strength. After killing a lion with his bare hands, he took on a whole army with the jawbone of a donkey, and in his last act, pushed down the pillars of a huge of pagan temple (Judges 13-16).

Samson ends up however being one of  the most tragic and mysterious heroes of the Bible. His greatest achievement was also his last. Humbled by a lifetime of short-sighted choices, he ended up being tortured by enemies of his people. With eyes gouged out, he cried out to the God of Israel and, in a last gasp of self-destruction, killed in death more Philistines than he had in life.

Samson’s ending seems to defy the Messiah-like anticipation that preceded his birth. According to the record of the Judges, an angel appeared to a childless woman and told her that she was going to have a son who would begin to deliver her people from their enemies (Judges 13:1-5).

The same angel appeared to her husband and told him what he had told his wife. They were to going to have a son who was to be raised as one dedicated to the Lord. According to the ancient tradition of the Nazarite vow (Num 6:1-21), the son’s hair was never to be cut. In anticipation of the special instructions for his life, the woman was not in her pregnancy to eat any fruit of the vine, no unclean food, nor drink any fermented drink.

Even the Messenger is mysterious. When asked his name, the angel who appeared to them withheld his name because he said it could not be understood (Judges 13:18). After ascending from their sight in a flame of fire, he left the couple with the alarming impression that they had been in the presence of God himself (Judges 13:22-23).

Was this childless woman to be the mother of the long anticipated Deliverer of God’s people (Gen 3:15)?

The first thing we hear about Samson is that he disappointed his Jewish parents by finding among the Philistines a woman that he insisted on marrying.  Later he visits a prostitute in Gaza, and still later marries a woman who is used by his enemies to discover the secret of his supernatural strength.

Samson’s story doesn’t seem to end well. His parents must have been confused and heart-broken. Certainly, their son was special. He did possess a strength that broke the pride and back of Israel’s enemies. But why would his life be marked by such willful, indulgent, and self-destructive ways? Why would his life end in such pain and tortured captivity? Why would those who reflected on his story be left with the thought that their son had accomplished more in his death that in all the days of his life?

What happened to the Messiah-like anticipation of his birth? (Judges 13) Just as mysteriously we might wonder how the New Testament could honor Samson in its “Hall of Faith” (Hebrews 11:32).

Could there be an important link between Samson and the Messiah (Christ) who is so celebrated by the Letter to the Hebrews?  In telling the story of Samson, could the record of the Judges be helping to set the stage for a deliverer who would do what no other human hope of the world could ever do?

At first it might seem irreverent to mention the names of Samson and Jesus in the same sentence. But as it turns out, both accomplished more in death than in the days of their lives.  Both reflect not only the strength of our God, but also that his ways are not our ways. Who would have thought that God would have set such high expectations for Samson’s birth before giving his parents a son who seems more like a prodigal than a servant of God? Who could have predicted that Samson’s suffering and last act of vengeance would be a faint anticipation of the Son who would one day become the Savior of the world through his own humiliation, torture, and death?

In death, Samson’s arms were stretched out to the pillars of a pagan temple that he pushed down to crush him along with over 3000 onlookers and their leaders. Jesus arms were stretched out on a cross that enabled him in his death to crush the head of Satan and his legacy of death.

Yet the differences between Samson and Jesus are also great. Samson’s accomplishments were partial and temporary. Jesus’ victory was final.  The best we can say about Samson is that he knew where his strength came from, and called on his God. The worst we can say about Jesus is that all of Samson’s sins, and our own ended, up falling on him, our eternal God, in the hours of his crucifixion.

Prayer: Father in heaven we see way too much of Samson in ourselves, and far too little of your Son. All  praise, wonder, and applause belong to Him.


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  1. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Hi Mart,
    You should travel more often, it obviously gives you time out to ponder.
    Samson is an amazing character and your last paragraph of prayer really sums it all up.
    We are very much like Samson, born/created by God with so much potential. We have been commissioned by Jesus to go out and to deliver people from their enemy, satan and re-unite them with God through Jesus messiah.
    We to fail in this task and live life according to our own ways.
    Only in death, like Samson, can we fulfill what God promised in us.
    Only in death to self can we fulfill God’s Plan for us.
    “Take up your cross daily & follow Me”
    The symbol of Samson with his arms outstretched and the comparison with Jesus is also true.
    Only in death could Jesus fulfill the plan the Father had set before Him.
    Samson had lots of choices, as do we, he could have done his task easier and without so much grief, but, because he went his own way, God had to bring him too that place of realisation as He often has to do with us.
    Jesus never wavered from the Fathers will and could have brought millions of Angels to save Himself, but chose the way of the cross because He knew what joy it would bring to His Dad.
    If only we could learn the same.
    Put self to death now before we have no choice like Samson.

    Many times Jesus appeared in the old testament, to Abraham, to Jacob, and I believe to Samson’s Mum & Dad.
    It shows what an important roll Sampson had and we have a great deal to learn from him.
    The Angel said His name was “Wonderful”.
    Only one guy I know has that name, “Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace, Almighty God, Everlasting Father”.

    Bob

  2. SFDBWV says:

    In truth I have never heard Samson compared to Jesus, but I have read of the pronouncement of the Birth of Samson and John the Baptist in the same light, Jesus of course was different as His mother was told different facts concerning the coming child.

    Each child was brought into being for a special purpose for God, Jesus’ birth being the culmination of God’s purposes.

    I have always seen Samson as a failure as a man and as a failure to his calling.

    I am not surprised that he is counted in Hebrews as a person to be remembered along with others whom God called to be in service to Him, he was special born, but lived a life the rest of us would understand as not being special except for killing Israel’s enemies.

    I am sorry, except for the fact that he was called and empowered by the same God I pray to; I see Samson compared to the suicide bombers of Islam today.

    Certainly it is God who enabled Samson to kill as many men as he did and so I can not ignore the fact that was why God empowered him to be able to do so.

    I just can’t quite see a comparison between Jesus and Samson as anything other than a life and death of contrasts.

    Samson’s purpose, to bring death to Israel’s enemies; Jesus’ to bring life to all even Israel’s enemies.

    Steve

  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends!

    Wow, Mart, this is a gang of questions! There is in them a pathway to meditating upon the work of God – the Presence of God – in a human being chosen and called by God. Samson was a super-man. My youngest always wanted to hear again the stories of Samson. I was a bit disappointed that my child chose this hero with many flaws – but I told the stories again and again. It is something to ponder the super-human feats Samson accomplished. The feat of the foxes and the torches (Judges 15:1-6) is pretty amazing, burning up the grain and the olive crops. And his death was attended by God strengthening him one last time to destroy the temple of Dagon and many Philistines, including the priesthood.

    Mart, you ask in part:
    “Could there be an important link between Samson and the Messiah (Christ) who is so celebrated by the Letter to the Hebrews? In telling the story of Samson, could the record of the Judges be helping to set the stage for a deliverer who would do what no other human hope of the world could ever do?”

    While Samson was a Danite, not a Judahite, he did bring hope and excitement to the long and bitter struggle between the Philistines and Israel. He was someone the young men liked to hang out with – probably always able to amaze with flamboyant feats of strength or amazing riddles – maybe stories and jokes that are not entirely appropriate to be recorded in Scripture. If you don’t drink at parties you better have some cool attributes! I think the young women liked him also. He was the ancient Israelite Robin Hood – possibly the ancient equivalent of Batman – a man’s man and a ladies’ man. He was a human hope in his day. He is a unique character, probably discussed and celebrated around the campfires as David’s mighty men rested from battle.

    With his own character and his own set of gifts and skills, Samson penetrated to the heart of Philistine life. He exposed the absurdity of their God – and their sorry code of ethics. He was an effective spokesman for the power of the God of Israel. Pretty hard to imagine the skill-set of a hero of the 11th c. BC! Samson entered the annals of Israel’s history as a hero who at last gave his all for God.

    Yours in Christ,
    Maru

  4. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    God always seemed to turn Samson’s weakness into strength, exactly what he promised to do for us.
    Also Samson was from the tribe of Dan, as you said Maru, and they were the warrior tribe in Israel. They are also not mentioned in the 144,000 (12,000 form each tribe)in revelation. This is a strange omission and is related to the blessing Jacob/Israel gave them on his death bed.
    They have traveled the world and have claimed territories in their name, Like Denmark(Danmark) and many others I can’t think of right now.
    They have a special place in the end day prophecies.
    Yes Samson is a strange but true hero of his time.
    Whether he is a “type of Christ” I do not know.
    But everything in Scripture seems to point to Jesus in one way or another, so I suspect Samson does as well.

    Bob

  5. Bill says:

    Mart,

    This is one of the deepest and most fascinating posts I’ve read in a long time. Your BTA blog entries are always exceptional. But this one requires numerous reads and, likely, hours of contemplation for me to do it justice with a reply.

    I’d like to say two things, briefly:

    1. You wrote: “Samson ends up however being one of the most tragic and mysterious heroes of the Bible. His greatest achievement was also his last. Humbled by a lifetime of short-sighted choices, he ended up being tortured by enemies of his people. With eyes gouged out, he cried out to the God of Israel and, in a last gasp of self-destruction, killed in death more Philistines than he had in life.”

    There’s one portion, a mere sentence fragment, in your paragraph that breaks my heart: “Humbled by a lifetime of short-sighted choices…”

    Who among us cannot identify with that, on one level or another? Don’t we all make “short-sighted choices” from time to time? Can’t we all look back on our lives and, if we’re honest, admit, “Yes. I squandered this opportunity”? or “I chose badly in that instance”?

    From the perspective of sheer warts-and-all humanity, how are we different from Samson? Sure, his life was extreme in its excess and decadence. But, all extremes aside, how are we different in our penchant to stray, to choose incorrectly, or to squander seemingly God-sent opportunities? I’ve been there, I’m sorry to say. I’ve wasted a few golden opportunities because I didn’t feel up to the task, or I was worried that I might fail, or I felt too comfortable with my own life to want to make a change. I hate to admit it, but there have been times when I’ve been more Samson than Christ.

    2. Isn’t Samson’s story similar to that of the Prodigal Son — a person of importance who squanders his lot in life, wanders in the wilderness of depravity and/or frivolity, who returns to the fold, as it were, after he realizes his folly?

    There are differences, of course. But isn’t Samson an example of what our lives look like when they’re lived apart from God and His instruction/guidance? In that way, I see Samson as more of a cautionary figure, like the scarecrows in the movie Planet of the Apes. He’s lifted high on a hill to scare us off. Do not enter! He’s like a bad car accident beside the road, something to observe with wide eyes…but to avoid at all costs.

    There is a richness to today’s post that, I’m sure, my comments don’t touch upon, perhaps can’t even reach. I am humbled by this post — not just its content, but also by your skill in weaving together various thoughts, questions, and comparisons.

    So I’ll just step aside to let others with more theological and/or spiritual insight comment. I will enjoy learning.

    Thank you for this post. It will stick with me for a long time to come.

    Bill

  6. narrowpathseeker says:

    Wow! In very recent days, while thanking God for His Patience with me in my continual back and forth battle with unforgiveness with my ex-husband, the thought that I was like Samson came to mind. Although I’ve taken care of him and eventually prayed with him and still pray for him as he is still in ICU on a respirator almost 3 weeks since his surgery, I still get ugly feelings towards him off and on. Along with thoughts of Samson, were very strong thoughts that I had become too dependent on God’s Patience…..maybe that was Samson’s problem.

    Right this minute, I am supposed to be leaving to attend a cousin’s funeral. I don’t set an alarm anymore and I usually wake up anytime between 5-7:30 am. Yesterday I awoke at 10am…sleeping about 10-11 hours. I prepared very carefully for today and asked my sisters to both call me to make sure I was up. I picked fresh veggies last night and put them in my car for relatives, had every stitch of clothing picked out, filled my purse with everything I might need, filled the slowcooker and refrigerated it, and had two cups of sleepytime extra tea to make sure I got to sleep early. BUT, I didn’t fall asleep until 1am, woke up at 3:30, and fell back asleep just long enough to have strange dreams. I have been up since 4AM. I felt nauseous when I stood up and felt I had to go the funeral anyway. When I began to pray and ask God what I should do…I heard…”Why don’t you spend that much time preparing to please me?” All my preparation was to please family…you just don’t miss a relative’s funeral and that isn’t a bad thing but in this case the Lord wanted me to see where my priorities were set. When I came here this morning to read about Samson…it was confirmation for me. I will be praying for all of us not to get overly dependent on God’s Patience. Could we ALL pray today for one another to seek God’s will for each of us each day and for us each to cooperate with Him? Thank you and God Bless us all.

  7. His Sparrow says:

    Hi Family

    Great topic. I got stopped at “Nazarite vow” did it originate through God, did Jesus sacrifice on the cross fulfill that “law” also? I did an online search and it really is a long topic. I gotta think about it some more; would like to read some feedback from all of you.

    Narrowpathseeker

    I had the same sleep thing last night too. This topic woke me up as did your comment. In the past I’ve clearly heard an alarm clock go off and a dog barking as if it was in my room (crazy huh!) The Lord spoke to me for both saying “you’ll get up out of sleep for a barking dog or an alarm…but why not Me?”

    I should’ve been on my knees-I missed something the Lord wanted. Yes, He is wondering about my priorities.

    Lord help our faith today, to turn our hearts and thoughts to you.

    Love
    His Sparrow

  8. Gary Strike says:

    Excellent, excellent, excellent!
    Pastor Gary Strike

  9. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    This is very strange Narrow & Sparrow, no pun or anything intended, but I am seeking God at the moment.
    I have a few days off work and am wanting to spend time with the Lord but seem to be getting caught up with other stuff.
    I have just listened to a CD of a pastor I know but am finding it so difficult to focus my attention on God.
    I do feel this whole topic of Samson has something to say that is very important to us!

    Bob

  10. narrowpathseeker says:

    I just stopped in to find something that someone posted on one of the threads in recents days. I only remember the gist of it, but I thought of it while at the river and I thought it would be very helpful for a close friend of mine in a difficult situation right now. I think it may have been a proverb and it was in regard to pleasing God and being at peace with our enemies. I have scrolled through several old posts quickly and can’t seem to find it…Can anyone help me?

    Sparrow, Bob, while at the river I was thinking what an incredible experience it would be to have 12 committed Christians to meet at the river like the disciples to pray, worship, and get our instructions for the day. Then go out in pairs doing whatever He instructed us to do! But, I can’t even find ONE. Whenever I have invited a Christian to come to the river with me, they always say….that would be nice…maybe someday I’ll come over. I wish you guys lived nearby because I believe you would both come.

  11. poohpity says:

    It would seem that Samson’s parents may not have been aware but “God knew” there was a reason behind the marriage to the Philistine woman. Judges 14:4 Samson still, even though he messed up, fulfilled the reason he was born. The reason for his existence. We all have a reason we are here, God has a plan for us. It may not fit into a human perspective but God wants to use each and every one of us.

    I see in Samson’s story why he was placed in the hall of faith. Samson knew who gave him his strength and in those few chapters we see Samson’s prayers to God answered for water Judges 15:18,19 and again in Judges 16:28 for a renewal of strength to be used for what his was born for. Shows to go ya at anytime in our lives we can turn back to God even when we mess up we are restored and renewed for God purpose. Samson was a Judge for over 20 years but the Philistines still had control of their land and later we see that they still were a problem for Israel as they are today.

    Samson gave his life for his people and Jesus gave His life for the World. God provides when we ask and is always there for us even when we tend to turn away, God is faithful.

  12. poohpity says:

    Mart, I think if we saw more of Jesus than we do of Samson in us we may feel we have savior complex rather than being in need of a Savior.

  13. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Narrow,

    We don’t have be together to pray together.
    I am lucky I have good fellowship to worship with, but I spend hours & hours home alone.
    That is why I am seeking God, to find out where to go and what He wants for me next.
    But somehow my heart is not in the seeking.
    Maybe like Samson, I only cry out & seek God when I am at my weakest.
    You were right earlier when you said,
    “I will be praying for all of us not to get overly dependent on God’s Patience. Could we ALL pray today for one another to seek God’s will for each of us each day and for us each to cooperate with Him? Thank you and God Bless us all.”

    Amen

    Bob

  14. foreverblessed says:

    Mart doesn’t know, but today is election day in our country, the Netherlands. There are two main winners, one is called Rutte, he was our prome minister the last 2 years, from the liberal democrats, the ones who want people to take care of themselves and be helpful for business, the other is called Samson, and it of the socialistic party, being mainly concerned that the weak and poor of the nation will not be crushed. You can imagine I was kind of suprised to see his name here. He has lost most of his hair now, and is almost bold. But he is well meaning, and caring for the disabled, the not so perfect people, the down and out people. He has a real heart for them, helping out in the city he lived.

    Anyway, if any of you have a prayer for our country, that things go as God wants them to go. He knows.

    A few topics ago we discussed what that pastor of a New York church talked about: The key of the bible is to see Jesus in all: in this case: Jesus is the better Samson, in His death fulfilling the goal for which he was sent: bringing salvation for His people.

    It also shows we should not judge anyone, God knows the heart: Samson is in the hall of faith. This should be an encouragment to all who seem to fail to fulfill God’s will in their lives, keep lookin gfor God’s will, and for His strength to do it, and asking for faith to do it, in His strength.

  15. foreverblessed says:

    Narrow and Sparrow, thank you for telling your stories, that God wants us to put so much effort for Him as we do for our loved ones. That was a great message, Do I do that, pleasing Him?
    Bob, you nailed it down,5.15 am, we better die to our old selves sooner then waiting till the very end. When we have died to self, then Jesus can be our Master.
    Samson was a great example for us to show that in killing the old self we will be totally useful for God to use us. (saying the same thing in other words).
    In order in being able to do that we have to learn how great the love of Jesus for us is. Wonderful love, all the names used for Jesus,
    wonderful Counselor.
    Why are we not more full of zeal for our Lord, why do we not be busy in the middle of the night, praising His mercy, His love, instead of being worried that we do not have enough sleep. Isn’t that also the meaning of dying to self? No worry about our sleep, but being busy with the things of God?
    Imagine how efficient our nights would be? Let’s pray together and praise God for all He has done, and for all He is still doing.
    Dying to self, also means, being still before His face. Putting away all things that hinder us to see His face, worries, fear, giving them all to Jesus, and looking to Him. It is like the Israelites in the dessert, all who looked at the stake on which the snake was were healed. It is the same with us: in all your troubles, sickness, worries, look to Jesus and be saved, that is dying to self too. But what I did was: looking to the trouble instead, and ask Jesus to deliver me from them, and until they were gone I would praise Him. Now I learned, praise Him anyway, while the trouble is still with you. Look to Him in the trouble, He is wonderful all Mighty, He is saving all who have faith in Him for who He is, our Saviour and Master.

  16. poohpity says:

    Do we look more to a government rather than to God? Feeding the hungry, looking after the disabled I feel is our job that was given us by God. God is even our defense the reason that Israel failed to do in the OT that is why there were problems with the surrounding nations because they began to trust in their own strength rather than looking to God. There would have never been the need for a Samson. When we trust in anything other than God there seemed to be problems that followed. I think dieing to self means to quit trusting in ourselves but rather put that trust in God.

  17. His Sparrow says:

    Steve

    I didn’t think of a Samson & Jesus comparison either, but I see there’s something. I was curious about why the Bible says “he would BEGIN to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.” why the “begin” word at all?

    Poohpity

    You really helped me with the statement of Samson’s prayer for “renewal of strength to be used for what he was born for.”

    I’ve been weakened lately, spiritually, turning back to my old self the one I claim is ‘dead’ and administering CPR…I went to a new fellowship this morning called Celebrate Recovery (I lived a co-dependent life) to focus back on what God wants me to do.

    I see that I can ask the Lord for renewal of strenth…..

    Bob

    That IS pretty funny, Narrow & Sparrow!

    I’ll be focusing on all the prayer requests here. I believe your heart is in the right place, it’s our minds that have the short attention span-at least mine does. I think I had the attention deficit disorder long before it was diagnosed as such. My mind is on another topic long before a sentence gets finished and it’s hard to keep up with myself! lol

    Narrowpathseeker

    If I lived close enough I’d be wading in the river every day I could and take jpy in getting to know you personally. Like Bob said we don’t have to be together to pray together-one of the things I so enjoy about this site.

    Thank you foreverblessed for your reminder on the ‘dead self.’

    Love
    His Sparrow

  18. davids says:

    Such a great topic and comments.

    As modern people we have trouble dealing with the seeming contradictions between the Jesus of the New Testament, and the persons of the Old Testament. David (adulterer, murderer), Solomon (whoremonger), Abraham (liar), and Esther (prepped by her uncle to be a concubine), just to name a few.

    I am not a “last days” kind of believer, but I do believe that we live in a special time, when we can easily forget that until very recently life was “nasty, brutish, and short”. Crucifixion and hanging was not a rare punishment, but something done to thieves and political dissenters. War was not something to be avoided, but the expression of the noble spirit (1914, 1939).

    Many believers still live with those harsh realities. Human trafficing and slavery, warlords, violent retribution and oppression, and tribalism still exist. To them, the stories of the Old Testament are not about ancient history or even mysterious, but about living in today’s world – and making choices.

  19. poohpity says:

    His Sparrow, I used to be a facilitator for those groups from 1993-2007 a long with codependency and blended families in my old church. They are a good vehicle for identifying areas that needed change while trusting God to do the changing. They give us some good tools to deal with different behaviors in a group setting.

  20. saled says:

    I love the topic today-a new way for me to look at Sampson that gives me hope.

  21. poohpity says:

    Gosh David, I really do not see contradictions between Jesus of the NT and persons of the OT. I see complete fulfillment of the persons in the OT with Jesus in the NT. Solomon as a whoremonger really, the majority of those woman where princesses that their fathers used to make peace treaties with Israel. Esther’s cousin raised her as his daughter while they were held in captivity and I see nothing in scripture that even begins to say she was raised to be a concubine.

  22. His Sparrow says:

    I just reviewed Esther and in the KJ, Chapter 1 the queen’s royal estate was to be given to another that was better than she because she disobeyed the king …(another story) so the king sent out servants to find (fair young virgins Ch2 v2) and he would pick a new queen.

    It doesn’t say how the “picking” was done…I suppose in that time soldiers came in, called a roundup in the town square kinda thing and picked the most beautiful virgins?

    There was a “commandment” from the king for an appearance. The Bible says Esther was fair and beautiful.

    Sometimes I don’t remember the details of the stories and get offtrack about what the Word says…sometimes I read what someone else says about the Bible and I don’t check it out for myself.

    That’s why it’s good for us here, to get a “double check that,” like Poohpity does, so we don’t go off course. She’s a really great friend for that because she has a heart for the Lord to be represented accurately, truthfully.

    If I read my bible everyday…I would be less likely to go off course. Thanks Poohpity.

    Davids – what is your definition of a whoremonger? Thank you.

    Love
    His Sparrow

  23. narrowpathseeker says:

    I just had to come back before bed and share this with you all or for Sparrow “Y’all” My granddaughter who lives next door asked me to get my great granddaughters(8&9 yo) off the bus yesterday. I took one of those bagged chairs and two devotionals, Planted by the Water and ODB. When the girls got home we took their bookbags inside. I wanted to check on the rabbit so I put the book down with ODB inside of it and forgot it there. This morning I couldn’t find it and called my granddaughter to see if I had lefted it there. She said, “Oh no!that was yours?! I thought it was Hannah’s. I packed it in her bookbag! OK, I’ll bring it over when she gets home from school” Well I just called her. The girls just started public school this year(private got to be too expensive)and I wondered if there had been trouble since they can’t even say CHRISTmas in this school. My granddaughter said that the teacher said that Hannah told her it wasn’t hers so she(teacher) was going to try to find the owner, but started reading it at lunch. She said it was on her desk and she would return it tomorrow, but that she really liked it!!!!!!! I’ve got several devotionals. Not only do I think He wants me to let her either keep it or finish it before she returns it, there is probably something in the devotional I will choose for tomorrow that He wants me to see and I can read ODB on line. I never stop getting excited when I see God working in ways that unbelievers just can’t see. Thank you for letting me share.

    Forever Blessed, I think you are most likely very pleasing to God..Blessed are the peacemakers..and that is how I see you.

    Maru, I’m so sorry that I am so forgetful. I couldn’t even remember what Proverb I was looking for that was posted a day or so again and when I found it, I also found that I had replied to thank Sparrow for posting it and typed it twice!! Anyway, I think I’ve asked this question before, but I don’t remember the answer. You seem to be very familiar with the Danites, Judahite, etc. Does the term “Jew” refer to all the tribes of Israel? Thank you.

    Goodnight ALL.

  24. SFDBWV says:

    I sometimes hear myself talk or in this case write and wonder who is talking and where does he get the idea that he can even comment.

    Knowing or at least believing that God is the Author of all scripture, I am left to be in awe that God wrote these words and included these stories of people for all of us to *ponder*.

    What then is the purpose of my pondering or meditating on them?

    Is it to learn more about God, or learn more about myself?

    Certainly in each *character* of scripture there is a little of me that I recognize in the worst of them. How does that make me feel?

    One thing it makes me recognize is that like these ancient people, I too am in need of understanding, forgiveness and love from God though my actions and heart have proved that I do not deserve such from God.

    It makes me feel bad.

    It causes me to think about what I *could* have done with my life *if* only I had listened to God and obeyed Him all of my days instead of going headlong after my own will.

    It causes me to cling tightly and hold on with a death grip the fabric of Jesus’ garment and hope that He will forgive me and give me that second chance at life and open the heart and eyes of all those I love and include them as well into His plan of salvation.

    It causes me to long for that joy that surpasses understanding and the comfort of the Holy Spirit.

    It causes me to recognize my need for Messiah Jesus and morn for His return and the cleansing and restoration of all things.

    If that is the mystery hidden in the story of Samson, then it comes out loud and clear, that no matter how much power one has without God I fail, I fail Him and I fail all those in my charge and I fail myself.

    Not much of a mystery after all.

    Steve

  25. poohpity says:

    If the bible is to learn more about God then I learn we do not fail Him because He knew what we were like before we were born. Nothing is new to Him. He knows the length of our days and how much we want to know Him. Nothing shocks or amazes Him at all about us. We however are shocked and amazed about God. What He can do , wants to do and what He will do if we only get out of the way and allow Him to work but most of the time we act like we can handle it all on our own and need no to help from anyone.

    Samson the strongest man of those times knew his need for God and knew that his strength was from God.
    When things were the bleakest for him, he again trusted God for provision. He was willing to lay down his life in a last temporary effort to make his life count for his people. Samson did not want to be god but needed God to be Samson. Just like God wants each of us to have the freedom to be who we are, unique in each of our own rights. God doesn’t expect us to be more than what we are, He already knows and so we can not fail Him.

  26. SFDBWV says:

    I am greatly amused pooh that you have come to adopt the concept of predestination over free will.

    Given free will we have the choice to either obey God or disobey Him.

    I am never shocked at the actions of people because it is the *nature* of people towards evil, but am always disappointed in their bad choices.

    I also believe that God is never surprised, but I do believe it grieves Him when people make wrong decisions and that it disappoints Him.

    I know this because it is written that the Holy Spirit can be grieved. (Genesis 6: 6) (Psalms 78: 40) (Ephesians 4: 30) (Hebrews 3: 10) (Hebrews 3: 17).

    Our bad choices hurt God; He is the first to be hurt by those bad choices, which is why there is no such thing as a sin that doesn’t hurt anyone.

    Steve

  27. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Narrowpathseeker, I rejoice with you at the interest your granddaughter’s teacher is showing in the ODB book! I am praying there will be a leading there that will transform the teacher’s life.

    Concerning the term “Jew,” I only contrast Samson’s tribe (Dan) with the tribe of the kings (Judah).Israel is the new name the Lord gave Jacob after he wrestled him. (Genesis 32:28) And Jacob/Israel’s twelve sons became the twelve tribes of the nation.

    The kings of Israel, the nation, came from the tribe of Judah after Saul (of the tribe of Benjamin): David and Solomon. But, the nation was divided in the reign of Solomon’s son Rehoboam. (1 Kings 12:16, 17, 18, 19) The sons of Rehoboam ruled until the exile to Babylon.

    I suppose the word “Jew” is derived from the word “Judah.” I am not sure “Jew” would have had any meaning in Samson’s time of history. They were all Israelites — but struggling with one another tribe against tribe in the time of the Judges almost as much as with the Canaanites and all the other “ites.”

    “Jew” is the term for the people who returned from the Babylonian exile I believe. Interesting to think about Samson as a boy who was reared in a very strict religious household: no wine, grapes, raisins or grapeleaves. He was never to cut his hair. He was never to eat anything unclean.

    Perhaps his wild ways were those of a young person getting out from under strict parents — running out to seek some sort of freedom. Just a thought.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  28. poohpity says:

    Nothing I said had anything to do with predestination. If God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscience then He already knows what we will do because He knows the future. I am greatly amused you did not know that and associated it with predestination. Apples and Oranges. Of course we have a choice but God already knows the choices we will make before we make them again not the same. Do we associate the way we feel when someone makes a bad choice and disappoints us with what God feels? I do not think it is the same for God. What he thinks is far above our limited knowledge cloaked in human reasoning.

  29. poohpity says:

    If I assume that God was disappointed with Samson I can come up with all kinds of things due to how I think but just like Samson’s parents jumped to a conclusion that his liking the Philistine woman was against what God had orchestrated. Judges 14:4

  30. davids says:

    Hi Deb and Sparrow, sorry if I was offensive in my choice of words.

    Ancient Eastern kings had harems. They would take as wives or concubines any women that attracted them (and treaty wives). If she pleased him, he might invite her back into his presence.

    David had eight wives and an unknown number of concubines. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines according to scripture. Although he might have been an energetic man, he most likely did not invite all of them back into his presence.

    From Esther 2 “13 And this is how she would go to the king: Anything she wanted was given her to take with her from the harem to the king’s palace. 14 In the evening she would go there and in the morning return to another part of the harem to the care of Shaashgaz, the king’s eunuch who was in charge of the concubines. She would not return to the king unless he was pleased with her and summoned her by name.”

    It is understood that Solomon would have also had men forcibly castrated to serve as eunuchs in control of his harem.

    We are straying from Samson. My point was that as modern, western Christians, we can often find it difficult to understand the OT characters that lived in a very different world. But these stories might still speak to people that live in other cultures.

  31. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, I read your comments all the time, and I am always moved, encouraged, taught, and/or uplifted. Your comments are always interesting as well. In this from today at 6:27am>>”It causes me to think about what I *could* have done with my life *if* only I had listened to God and obeyed Him all of my days instead of going headlong after my own will.” you put into words exactly what I feel so often. I think several of us here feel like that, as indicated by some of the comments recently. I know I really feel bad that YOU feel bad. I think of Proverbs 21:2. When I read your messages I see a heart filled with the Love of Jesus.

  32. narrowpathseeker says:

    Maru, thank you. I suppose it isn’t all that important but it is something that comes to mind every so often and when wondering about it, I am often distracted from what I am reading, so now I can stop wondering..:-) I may never know what happens with the teacher reading the book, but I believe all that led to her reading it was all orchestrated by God.

  33. His Sparrow says:

    davids

    thank you for the response; I wasn’t exactly offended ’cause I just wanted your definition of whoremonger. Thanks for responding.

    Poohpity
    09/12/12 5:48 pm

    got me thinking… the topic says “humbled by a lifetime of short sighted choices…”

    I extracted that to ask, from your referenced experience, what steps does the lifetime-of-shortsighted-choices-co-dependent take, now that the personality is probably permanent…as in Co Dependent Personality Disorder?

    Thank you

    Love
    His Sparrow

  34. fadingman says:

    While in many ways Samson may seem a failure, he did fulfill the purpose which was prophesied: he helped to deliver Israel from the Philistines.

    It would have been quite easy for me, if I were alive back then, to be afraid not only for Samson himself, but for failure of his purpose. “Don’t do all those bad things! You’re going to cause the prophecy about you to fail!” Yet, even though he slept with foreign women, ate honey from a lion’s carcass, etc., God’s purpose was still fulfilled. If God said Samson was going to deliver Israel from their enemy, then it was going to happen. There was nothing anyone could do to change it or prove God a liar.

    And so God’s purpose in sending Jesus to save us from our sins was also a sure thing. It was prophesied throughout the Old Testament, so there was nothing anyone could have done to thwart it. Satan tempted Jesus in vain.

  35. foreverblessed says:

    fadingman, thank you, that is it, God was there, even when Samson was not always there with God. When reading his story I found that between the first woman, and the visit to the prostitute might have been a long time, Judges 15:20. Samson may well have had a very normal life, only a few missteps.
    Having all our desire set on learning to do GOd’s willis the best way to avoid sinning. That’s why Jesus told us to love God with all our hearts. We do not have to sin anymore, Jesus conquered sin and freed us from its grip.
    (I found this in the devotional of Sep 13 God at eventide, there it is better worded)
    “So often man puzzles over this — if I have conquered sin, why is it then so powerful an enemy?
    I conquered sin.
    It has no power over any soul that does not want to sin. Then all that could lead to sin is desire. I lay such stress on man’s loving Me. If his love, his desire, is set on Me — he wills only to do My Will. Thus he is saved from sin.”

  36. Mart De Haan says:

    In comparing Samson and Jesus I’m not trying to think, in the traditional sense, that there are a few things and people that are “types” of Christ in the Old Testament.

    Since Jesus the Son of God is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega, the Creator, Sustainer, Savior, and Judge of all, I’m trying to see whether we can say that everything that is true, good, beautiful, strong, redemptive, loving, courageous, self-sacrificing etc. has its origin and fulfillment in Jesus the Christ (as he represents the eternal 3 in 1 Godhead).

    By contrast everything that is twisted, broken, ultimately hurtful, hopeless, dying, guilty, shameful etc. is that for which the Son of God suffered and died in our place.

    That’s the inclusive way in which I was trying to do the above comparison of Jesus and Samson.

    In the process, then some of answers to my too many questions above :-) is a partial list that looks something like this:

    Similarities of Samson and Jesus:

    They were both sons of Israel.
    Their births were announced by an angel.
    They were dedicated to the Lord at birth.
    They were born to deliver their people from their enemies.
    They both were filled and enabled by the Spirit of God.
    They died tragic deaths.
    They were both mocked and tortured by their enemies.
    They accomplished more in death than in the days of their lives.

    Differences between Samson and Jesus

    God gave a childless couple the ability to have Samson. The Spirit supernaturally enabled Mary to give birth to Jesus as a virgin.

    Samson’s life mingled the purposes of God with human weakness and sin. Jesus lived without sin.

    Samson loved women to their harm. Jesus loved women and men for their good.

    Samson died for his own sins. Jesus died for the sins of others.

    Samson’s accomplishments were temporary. Jesus’ were eternal.

    Conclusion: God works for our good in many different ways and through many different people. But there is only One who deserves our absolute confidence and trust. All other human hopes are to one degree or another like Samson…

    Don’t be afraid to push back if you’re not sure this is a helpful or legitimate way to read the Bible…

  37. SFDBWV says:

    I have already said that in comparing Jesus and Samson all I see are contrasts. To bring forward the similarities between them seem quite a stretch.

    I could say things like both of them were flesh and blood, both were once children, both had mothers, both had to eat, both were born for a purpose, and in their cases both died; one being the first to be resurrected the other at a later time.

    The same could be said of us all in comparison to Jesus.

    In comparing anyone to Jesus it morphs into contrasts.

    This is why it is written “all far short of the glory” except Jesus.

    The thing about Christianity is that we are the fulfillment of Judaism, so our Scripture base in found in the OT, concluding in the NT. However the differences between Christianity and Judaism drives us to make believers of all men.

    Believers of what?

    We believe that there is a man born incomparable to any man, that this *special* man can heal the sick, raise the dead, forgive all past wrongs and provide eternal life in paradise. He is Jesus the Christ.

    All of the OT simply provides us with the history of how this Jesus came to be born into the world, why and who He is.

    Jesus looks to the future; the story of Samson as well as many other Biblical men looks back to the past.

    There have been already many imitators of Messiah, many false messiahs and there will be more, but there is only one Jesus and He is the only true Messiah savior of both Israel and all of mankind from our enemy.

    Steve

  38. kingdomkid7 says:

    I like the synthesis you’ve done, Mart. It helps explain why Samson, with all his failings is still in the hall of faith in Hebrews 11. No one truly compares with Jesus, of course!!

  39. fadingman says:

    The Hebrews 11 hall of faith is not a list of great men of God, but a list of people, great or otherwise, who trusted in a great God.

  40. His Sparrow says:

    Mart

    Thank you for the last post and encouraging us not to be afraid to “push back.”

    One of the reasons I stay here is because of what I learn from you and the writers- that have a lot more “miles” than me on reading the BIble, study, and inspiration from God about what to say to our group.

    However, because of the western culture I live in…when I hear the string of words: King David, King Solomon, Samson (always with Delilah in the same breath) the only legend (maybe the Hollywood influence) is first sexual immorality, murder, elitism and p.s. what one thing they did good…maybe.

    Mostly the first description. Now that I wrote that, I know it is good to discuss it because there is so much more than that to the story. But the comparing of Jesus and these men, it seems like they get a “pass” for their sins because they were used by God. Hence the phrases “I’m a good person,” “”I’m not a perfect person,” I hear from many who think God will allow them into His Kingdom even with their imperfections, or because their sin is already forgiven-no questions asked.

    Say Robinhood, King Arthur (not even real), *batman* and the image from novels, comics, movies are “superheroes” their sins not even discussed or their sins acceptable for their time period/culture?

    I think now that I’ve seen this post, when I get in the with the Samson, Solomon David muck with someone, I will be better prepared to look at the God reasons for their being in this world.

    Thank you

    Love
    His Sparrow

  41. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve and Mart: Inasmuch as I look up to both of you as incredibly well versed men with exceptional writing skills and genuine hearts for God, I was very surprised to see the two of you in strong disagreement here. I am a little thick and slow sometimes, so I have reread both of your posts. I guess I am still confused because it seems to me that in essence you both seem to be saying the same thing that only Jesus could do what He did. However, the thought that the two of you are trying to set an example of how to disagree on a matter without causing division, anger, and total chaos, came to mind. Whether or not that be the intent of this disagreement, I think you have set forth a very good example of how to disagree.

  42. Bill says:

    I agree, narrow.

    I’ve enjoyed this thread and have learned much from everyone.

    Thank you, all!

  43. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Yes Bill,

    I also felt this was a good topic, very well laid out by Mart & beautifully reasoned with by Steve.

    Samson is one great guy, if only in the fact he lived a life that had a good outcome and has given us little to argue about.
    He was a judge & judged for 20 years we are told, yet he failed miserably every time he tried to fulfill his “God” mission because he so often tried in his own strength. He is even guilty of blatant sin and disobedience.
    Like a lot of characters in the old testament, he is set there as an example to us not to give up.
    Reminds me a bit of Jonah, no matter how hard we push in the wrong direct God will find a way to pull us back to the place He wants us to be.
    I live next to the beach, I better look out for that big fish! :-)

    Bob

  44. SFDBWV says:

    I would like to thank Narrowpathseeker, Bill, and Bob for your kind words of encouragement and love; I am deeply humbled by them.

    One of the accomplishments I think that Mart strives for here is for us to have various opinions or sometimes the same opinion simply said differently, as we all come from different backgrounds and circumstances and so often look at the same things from a different perspective.

    Civil polite people can offer their views without fear of being ridiculed or embarrassed or attacked for their views when civil, polite people act in the light of treating others the same way they want to be treated.

    We can disagree as long as no one insists on being more right than another, in there lies the seeds for strife.

    Mart is an educated, traveled, and successful man in his area of expertise, I have profound respect for him, but to say we always agree on everything would be a stretch. So when and if we disagree, he doesn’t try to make me look foolish or try and debase me, he has way more class than that.

    Mart has shown us all the way to have a successful conversation while we learn, grow or be confirmed in our faith.

    It is a wonderful delight when we can all see the various views of the same verse of scripture or of the various people of renown and appreciate each others views instead of being forced to see it only one way.

    For that I thank Mart and all of you dear people who share your world for me to see and hear of, sometimes all over the globe.

    Be at peace all of you.

    Steve

  45. poohpity says:

    His Sparrow,(In response to your Sept 13th 8:04pm post) no learned behavior is ever permanent, it can always be relearned and changed upon acknowledgement. There is always hope in Christ, He specializes in change. The problems come when we blame and do not recognize the areas that need change in ourselves.

    To me most of those who are listed in the Hall of Faith trusted God. Even though they messed up many times in their lives they trusted God. Samson trusted God, Jesus taught trust in God by every action He lived. It is hard to admit when it comes down to it that most on a whole do not trust God they trust in only what they can do.

  46. His Sparrow says:

    Thanks Poohpity.

    Your words are a blessing to me this moment.

    Love
    His Sparrow

  47. Bill says:

    You’re welcome, Steve. It’s always a pleasure to read your posts.

    Actually, I think it’s fun to see the unique personalities of everyone here. Everybody has his/her own writing style. Pooh is different from Bob who is different from narrow who is different from sparrow who is different from kingdomkid who is different from foreverblessed who is different from davids who is…

    Some people’s posts resonate more with me than others do. Not because of who they are, or what they write. But because of who I am.

    And that’s precisely why we all have different personalities. What touches me may not touch you. Male, female, young, old, from America, from Europe, from Downunder. Doesn’t matter. We all have something different to say, and a different way to say it. It’s like the colors of leaves in the Fall. How much less interesting would the landscape be if the trees stayed the same color year ’round! :)

  48. Mart De Haan says:

    Thanks for all the thoughts. Will try to get something else going by tomorrow.

  49. cherielyn says:

    I had so many thoughts on this subject, but many of you must be mind-readers :), because you have stated them so much more eloquently and deeply than I feel I could have. In rereading and refreshing my mind about Samson, the only thing I have left is this thought that came to mind: II Corinthians 2:10(KJV) – focusing on the portion: “when I am weak, then I am strong.” It seems appropriate to what Samson went through at the end of his life.

    Would have liked to comment sooner, but I just had the busiest week that I’ve experienced in the last couple years.

    40 degrees at 6:40 a.m. in NE WI. Feels like fall is on the way with winter riding on it’s coat-tails!

  50. cherielyn says:

    Sorry, that should have read II Corinthians 12:10(KJV)

  51. SFDBWV says:

    Our modern world is really quite something. We have been lied to, tricked, misled and abused so much that having *simple* faith has been lost to every thing has to be proven for each generation.

    When we look at the story of Samson (and Delilah) first of all we believe that there was actually such a person as well as believe in the amazing feats of strength and details of his birth life and death.

    Yet I read all the time of archeologists who are looking for proof of there even being an Israeli government as described in Scripture.

    Not to mention whether or not there was ever such a person as Jesus of Nazareth.

    I have known some very interesting people in my short time on earth, their best and worst moments known only to them or the people who witnessed them; their history of ever even being here will be lost to time and very soon no one will remember them at all.

    God has orchestrated events in order to create a history of His *chosen* people; chosen for His multiple purposes, the most important of which was to bring forth into the world its Savior.

    But these *chosen* people also are shown to us in all of their splendor as well as all of their shortcomings.

    Once again, to show us that all people from all times past, present and future need a *Savior*.

    Even the brief little story of Thomas and Jesus shows us that *doubt* is always present while *faith* is given a higher regard from God.

    It doesn’t matter whether I find the story of Samson enjoyable or not, it is relevant because God included it in His story of He and man for us to *ponder* and learn from.

    For now God has allowed for me to see what He has wanted me to, if and when there is more from this story He wants me to receive He will open my eyes and heart to His teaching and I will be once again fed from His Word.

    It is 43 degrees this morning and bright clear skies, it won’t be long before the leaves begin to change color as some are at the verge of it now.

    I pray all of you have a good day.

    Steve

  52. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Feeling left out here.

    17C (63F) During the day & 12C (54F) at night.
    Cloudy with Sunny spells.

    Our Autumn starts about now with a few leaves turning & goes on ’till December.
    Long season with many warm days intermingled with horrible wet & windy storms.
    Winter definitely on the way.
    Where was Summer??

    Bob

  53. narrowpathseeker says:

    Thank you Steve. I share your thoughts on God opening our eyes, ears, and hearts when He wants us to receive understanding of any given scripture at any given time. I know that I can’t even remember that which I DO understand from one day to the next, yet it seems to me that God gives me remembrance or understanding or even a different understanding at a time that He chooses which seems to be when I most need to understand or to remember. Maybe it is like the Manna that they were not to gather more than they needed for that day.

    Bob, I think Summer was over here in the U.S.A! lol

    Beautiful weather here in CT. Comfortably cool morning and night and cool breezes in afternoon sun with the wonderful smells of Fall riding in with the breeze.

  54. poohpity says:

    I guess the question would be Steve, do you believe that the stories in the Bible are real historical events or are they fables carried through the centuries? If the are fables that sound good yet are not true then which part of the Bible is true and which parts are just stories to stir our imaginations about a God that may or may not be real. Then if they are not fact is that why people do not read the Bible? But if they are true then why do not more people read the Bible? The Bible fact or fiction? Is the story of Samson just fable or is it real?

  55. poohpity says:

    I wonder if God does want us to understand more if we are open to listening or are we trapped in such a small mindset that we have already made up our minds to what we want to see, read or hear that nothing else will fit in?

  56. poohpity says:

    For instance on the post from Sept 13th @ 6:27am I thought you were feeling down about failures so I tried to encourage with the Sept 13th @ 8:16am post. That God is not so disappointed in our failure than He is in our lack of trust. That God already knows all the areas we would fail in yet sent His Son to pay the penalty for them. It is our trust, like Samson had at the very end.

  57. narrowpathseeker says:

    This morning I listened to an online sermon which began with a prayer asking that we be transformed by His word and not just educated by it. As I thought about that and our sometimes diverse understanding of scripture here I wondered. Could it be that we are all transformed at a different pace, in different areas, in different ways at different times. .in His way as He chooses…and whom He chooses in His timing?

    Stranded in the desert with no water, but having two books in possession, one on what to find on the other side of the desert and one on how to find water in the desert. Hopefully I would know which was meant to be most important for me to read and understand at that time in my journey.

  58. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    you’ve hit it on the nail Narrow.
    The Lord leads us all to the same place but via very different routes and at very different paces.

    A bit like the gifts of the Holy Spirit Paul talks about, each of us have a different gift, a different place in the body of Christ.
    Each one of us is unique and each one of us reflects a different facet of our infinite God.
    He brings us Streams in the Desert to sustain us while leading us home to the place where the River of Life flows from the Thrown of God. His dwelling place will be with His People.

  59. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I think I meant Throne.

  60. narrowpathseeker says:

    Bob, thanks for understanding the thoughts I was trying to convey. Sometimes I have trouble pulling them out of my head and lining them up to make any sense to anyone but me.

    Cherielyn, I hope your busy week was founded in a pleasant nature. I am still praying for you, your husband and son. I hope things are better for you soon.

  61. poohpity says:

    That is so good, Romans 12:2NLT. It is God’s Word that transforms us and God knows us so well and in that does not expect us all to be the same. Mart said, “Don’t be afraid to push back if you’re not sure this is a helpful or legitimate way to read the Bible…”. I feel anyway we read the Bible is helpful and legitimate and promotes healthy conversations that are useful and bring unity. Like Bob said, “The Lord leads us all to the “same” place but via very different routes and at very different paces.”

  62. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh I am sorry I misunderstood your September 13 8:16 am post, I thought after being up for 5 hours I had enough black coffee to wake me up, guess not. Forgive me if I offended you, I did not intend to.

    But to answer your question, I absolutely believe every singe word of Scripture and accept the people mentioned there by name to have actually lived including the details of their lives.

    However archeologist have to see proof and so spend their lives looking for something we people of faith already have found.

    Narrowpathseeker that was one of the most amazing moments in my life when I also discovered that God teaches us through His Word at a time we are ready to understand it at the time we need to understand it and even though we ourselves have no cognizant awareness, the Holy Spirit does and so all three elements come together in perfect harmony.

    I have known some very good old believers who had the wonderful patience to allow me to learn many things they already knew at my own pace, never condescending just always supportive. I miss them very much, their stories I try sometimes and share with others so that they too are remembered.

    Steve

  63. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, I was just thinking this morning about some of the older and wiser family members that are gone now and how much I miss them! Telepathy?

  64. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    No such thing as Telepathy with Our Lord.
    It’s called Unity in The Holy Spirit, covered with a thick layer of Love!

  65. poohpity says:

    Steve, thank you and misunderstanding me happens often. My heart is really not set on making anyone look bad and especially not putting anyone down if it may sound like that at times it is seldom my intent. I am so concerned and maybe even passionate to a fault that the Word is read rather than listening to what others assume it may say. I can come on to strong about that but to hurt anyone on purpose is not who I am or what I am about. Thank you for the apology and you are forgiven with all my heart. Will you forgive me if I have hurt you in anyway as well?

  66. His Sparrow says:

    …..97 degrees F. daytime and 70 degrees F. at night in the eastern Mojave desert…..

    I miissed the conversations today (got to see the Indy car races in Fontana, Calif!)
    and am touched by the kindness given to each other.

    It sure seems this consideration is rare when I read other blogs or comment sections of online articles.

  67. SFDBWV says:

    As always pooh I forgive you even if there is nothing to forgive. We’ll blame it on the difficulty found in trying to express ourselves in this odd long distance way off leaving messages unable to hear the tone of our voices or the spirit in our eyes.

    Steve

  68. oneg2dblu says:

    Bill… there is much wisdom in your philosophy and your words. I applaud your abilities for compromise, understanding of others, and for your peacemaking.

    Unfortunately, being everything to all people, has never been my forte, or my gifting.

    I am not a chameleon type, coloring myself at will for an ever changing environment.
    I’m not able to sit on both sides of every issue and claiming that’s my side as well.
    I’m colored only one basic color, although there is a changing of shades at times when over exposed, but still only one color. His!

    On issues, I can only stand for one side, His, not both sides at the same time.
    I’m not like a well versed Noble Prize recipient of the not so far past, who actually received his reward for his words alone. Go figure!

    That is parallel to making all well spoken people, every poet and author into peacemakers, and the actual workers, those who are calloused and dirty handed,
    as being only has-beens.

    But let us not let the truth get in the way, or have its day. Let us rather, make peacemakers of all, give to all participants’ awards, pass all the students regardless of their effort, and let their personal choices ring the winner’s bell… What a Grand Ideal!

    The newly revised standard commandments of modern man…
    Let us Watertown the Word of God for the masses as not to offend anyone. Do not make a stand for anything righteous, lest you offend, but promote only living for self, and foster only self esteem.

    Now there is a freedom of self inflicted captivity if I’ve ever seen one.

    Being in Christ to me, means that we must stand for something, or we will fall for anything.
    Being in Christ to me, means we are to serve with a righteousness that is both unknown, and unpracticed, by the unsaved Pagans and the worldly alike.

    Living above self, in spite of self desire, means to make every effort, striving to endure to the end.
    Not receiving the well earned finish line reward at the start of the race, but only at the finish!

    Here’s another thought, if we Zen out, clear our minds of everything, we have achieved a higher state than what the Bible wants us to have, where we are to be filled daily with the spirit, and not empty! Just a thought…

    That is only my current learned opinion, and your worldly gauges may read differently.

    I guess I’ve done it again, alienated myself, made a stand for something other than what living in and for this world now brings.

    Oh well, carrying our crosses daily, has its founding in the world for some, or in the Word for others.

    The battle is always in the mind, and if you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter. No matter what!

    The above is not for entertainment purposes only, so if you find you are offended, please feel free to ignore at your own peril. Have a blessed day! Gary

    Bill, in your wisdom you know by now, that this in not directed directly at you, just at some points you’ve raised, and given for all who have ears! :)

  69. Bill says:

    @Gary, how did we get back to this post? :)

    You wrote:

    “Unfortunately, being everything to all people, has never been my forte, or my gifting.

    I am not a chameleon type, coloring myself at will for an ever changing environment.
    I’m not able to sit on both sides of every issue and claiming that’s my side as well.
    I’m colored only one basic color, although there is a changing of shades at times when over exposed, but still only one color. His!”

    That was very well put. And I agree.

    Here’s the deal. There’s only one Gary in the world. I can’t be Gary. But, by the same token, Gary can’t be Bill. You have to be who and what you are. Do that, and you’re already leagues ahead of many others in the world today.

    In addition, I don’t expect anyone to take what I offer as normative. I’m not trying to say “THIS is the way the Christian life ought to be led.” If every Christian looked, sounded, and acted like me all I can say is, “Woe is us.” I’m not that interesting of a guy. So I’d be alarmed if everyone suddenly became like me.

    Remember the passage in 1 Corinthians about the body?

    For the body does not consist of one member but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.

    The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.

    (1 Corinthians 12:14-26 ESV)

    The great thing about living the biblical life is that we do not have to be the same. Yet, we are all part of the same Body. Consider me a hand. Or a fanny, for that matter. I’ve been called worse. :)

    As far as Zen goes, forget about it. I’m sorry I brought it up. My interest in other religions does not mean anyone else should care about them, too.

    I am enriched by sharing experiences with those in other religious traditions. For example, I have attended Sabbath services in a Jewish temple. I watched the Rabbi handle the Torah with the utmost respect. I listened to the Cantor sing Hebrew songs. I watched the members do a little bow at the knee at certain times. It was wonderful to behold. I have even enjoyed a Seder service with Jewish friends.

    That does NOT mean anyone else should follow suit and experience the same things — especially if that doesn’t interest you. The good news is, it doesn’t have to.

    Your comments are always welcome, Gary. I appreciate them very much. You are the best Gary I’ve ever seen!

    Bill

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