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All Together Now

Went to a college women’s volleyball game the other night. Was a regional final, with the winner going to the national tournament.

Turned out to be a hard fought 3 out of 5 match in which both teams played their hearts out.

I had a special interest because a niece of ours’ was playing in her third year and her parents drove 14 hours from the East Coast to surprise her with their support.

What sticks in my mind today is more than the outcome. Beyond the fact that “our” team won a cliffhanger, I’ve been thinking about something that shows up in a picture of the home crowd.

I’ve been to a lot of games and tournaments of all kinds of sports over the years. But I don’t ever remember being so impressed with the one-minded enthusiasm and “unity” of the home team’s student cheering section.

Makes me think of what a real loss it is for the Body of Christ to lack oneness of heart from it’s own crowd (John 17:11; John 17: 21-23).

But then I go to the text that I’ve just referred to and I find myself with something bigger than I can get my mind around. The picture I get from what the Lord prayed just before he crossed the Kidron Valley into the Garden of Gethsemane is not even a rallying cry of us against them.

Admittedly, at times it sounds adversarial.  Jesus does indicate that he isn’t praying for the world (John 17:9-10) but rather for those the Father has given him. Of these he then says to his father, “Mine and yours, and yours are mine and my glory (i.e. wonder, honor, and goodness) is seen in them.”

But then he also says, that he is praying for those who will believe on him through the word of those who are his (John 17:21); and that as the father has sent Jesus into the world, so he is now sending his own into the world (John 17:18).

Of this world, John says earlier, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

The word world has a lot of different meanings. Sometimes it means “a rebel adversarial system” that has taken countless hostages of those for whom Christ died. Sometimes it refers to the people of the world itself. Sometimes I’m convinced that how the word is used is beyond our ability to fully understand.

My point is that there’s a lot of love, a lot of truth, and a lot of mystery in the mission of rescue and reconciliation that Jesus and his Father are carrying out. And one thing seems clear. There’s enough wrapped up in that truth, love, and rescue to have us all pulling in ranks, and cheering together, for the “big win” that really matters.


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  1. pegramsdell says:

    Deep calls to deep. Maybe that’s why He said to not forsake gathering together. There is power in agreement. A three cord fold is not easily broken. Let’s all be cheerleaders for Jesus Christ!

  2. SFDBWV says:

    As I read Marts thoughts this morning two things popped out at me right away; the first being how special power is exchanged between believer and receiver when the gospel is told.

    Without there being any thing else to substantiate the claims made by the believer the receiver of the Word accepts it as a truth they instantly recognize as truth.

    This is the miracle and power of the Holy Spirit.

    The second matter is who Jesus is praying for; in my opinion this John 17: 1-26 is actually the Lord’s Prayer as the more familiar one is actually a prayer the Lord gave for us to frame our prayers around, but this one is from Him to the Father on *our* behalf.

    Jesus is declaring that the Father has given Him those whom have believed Him (John 17: 6, 7, 8). In John 17: 11 Jesus says that He is no longer in the world, but these are in the world and asks God to *keep* those whom He has given that they may be one.

    In John 17: 12 Jesus declares *none* are lost except one that was to fulfill Scripture.

    In John 17: 14 Jesus states that the world hates them because they are not *of* (like) the world in the same way He (Jesus) is not *of* (like) the world.

    In John 17: 15 Jesus asks the Father not to take them out of the world, but to keep them from evil.

    In John 17: 20 Jesus includes all of us in this prayer by saying not only these alone, but for them which shall believe on Him through their word.

    In John 17: 24 Jesus *wills* that those whom the Father has given Him will be with Him.

    What ever Jesus willed is a done deal, we are His, we are not lost, and we are one in Him.

    Why do we squabble amongst ourselves? I would suppose for the same reason that the Disciples did over who will be greatest in the Kingdom, we just haven’t matured as of yet.

    Steve

  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    The analogy of team spirit – pulling for the one goal together – makes women’s college volleyball a model of kingdom principles! :o) It is a happy analogy – especially when the team we’re cheering for wins. Winning is all in volleyball, as in any sport.

    Mart, you wrote:
    “What sticks in my mind today is more than the outcome. Beyond the fact that “our” team won a cliffhanger, I’ve been thinking about something that shows up in a picture of the home crowd.”

    As I take a look at these exuberant young folks in the photo I believe, though I cannot prove, that this may be an effort to get a swaying “cheer” going in the bleachers. Not everyone has gotten the big picture yet, as I see it. Now, that is the snapshot of the church that makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Good hearts, good ideas – mixed with varieties of distraction and inattentiveness. That’s the church alright! It’s a good-looking bunch, though not regimented or organized it seems.

    Yet, the Lord Jesus welcomes us in left and right, as we perceive more and more his calling that is so profoundly loving that we have trouble at first understanding what his calling truly is. Paul, in trying to write about God’s love said:
    “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.” (1 Corinthians 13:12)

    It seems to me, the thing or two we can agree on amounts to “Jesus is Lord” (Romans 10:8-13) and the Great Commandment (Matthew 22:37-40). Perhaps these should be our team banner – our “fight song” – our theme in welcoming those whose lives come in contact with ours as the body of Christ. Many, many more than we know are welcomed into God’s love through Christ – and into Christ’s love by us! I have heard this called a “Holy Spirit set-up”…a shot we do not plan…that is diagramed somewhere, but not necessarily in a locker room meeting. Go team! Go Spirit!

    Blessings,
    Maru

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Just for those who like the ironies of life, Darius Rucker has a new song out I just listened to called ”True Believers” in which he sings repeatedly “we are one”.

    Steve

  5. poohpity says:

    To me we all are in need of a Savior and have equal ground at the foot of the Cross. If we could just understand that principle then we would not draw lines (i.e. maturity, how spirit filled we are, knowing more than another) but realize we still have areas that need change, we are still learning and there is more us of the Spirit needs to get hold of. We are on the same team rather than elevating ourselves it would be nice to put only Jesus up on that pedestal and us on our knees or even laid flat on our faces before Him. Can you imagine the team spirit that would come about to a win, win situation.

  6. BruceC says:

    poohpity,

    I don’t think I could have said it any better than you did. We all have a “pedestal” problem.

    This may be a little off track and would embarrass some to ask; but I’m not so here goes. My wife and I have to go to a dental clinic about an hour and a half away so we can each get a new set of “choppers”. My wife had her last four teeth extracted almost six weeks ago. Mine are just worn out(19 years old!!). Please pray for a safe trip and that our new smiles will fit well and there will be no problems with them.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  7. pegramsdell says:

    Thank You Jesus that Bruce and his wife will be good and they will be very happy with there new teeth.

  8. davids says:

    Prayers for you, Bruce. This is yet another area where we can give thanks. Flouridation of water was resisted by some people for many silly reasons. But now we see the results: my three children, two of them in their teens, have never had a single cavity.

    As you say, to God be the Glory!

  9. poohpity says:

    Bruce, praying for a quick adjustment for your wife because they are so hard to get used to. Food never tastes the same again but boy are they pretty. Safety for the trip and a good fit. Thank you Lord for the provision.

    The first two humans started us out with pedestal problems right off the bat trying to be like their creator rather than just letting Him be who He is and us being who we are. You are so right it is a struggle for most the others we do not see because they are alright with that, taking a backseat.

  10. phpatato says:

    I am praying Bruce that both yours and your wife’s teeth fit well. With the denturist so far away, getting adjustments made will be extremely bothersome if needed. I remember all to well the multiple trips we had to make for Dad when he got new ones. The trip for us was 45 mins one way. From getting the molds done to the final fitting, I think we made 3 or 4 trips. Nothing worse than trying to talk and having them fall out. Adults are grossed out but kids certainly find that funny. :-)

    Hoping you have a safe and uneventful journey.

    God Bless

    Pat

  11. bubbles says:

    Please forgive. This is not the right place.
    I think my dog is dying. Please, please pray for him.
    He is only 9 years old. Something is terribly wrong.
    Thank you

  12. BruceC says:

    Of course it is the right place Bubbles. This is family; the family of our Lord. Your hurts are our hurts.

    I will hold both of you up in prayer. I have had dogs since I was a little boy and I know exactly how you feel. It is a heart-breaker and saddens me just to hear it.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  13. BruceC says:

    Thanks to all for your prayers for my wife and I. The clinic we are going to makes dentures the same day if you have an early appointment. Ours is the firat of the day so they said we should have our new “Ipana” smiles by 2:30 pm. We will just go window shopping while we wait. Albany NY has a couple of nice malls.
    For anyone that never heard of Ipana; just ask and I will explain.

    God Bless All, and this day; especially you Bubbles.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  14. BruceC says:

    Mart,

    You are right. This is not an “us” vs “them” type of circumstance as in sports. Hopefully those on the “other team” will see some of our “points” and the joy we share on our side….and then decide to defect.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  15. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Praying for your good friend, your dog, Bubbles. It may be (s)he can pull through this and stay a while. Keeping you in my heart.

    Wonderful story last evening from a woman named Linda at our Acts Bible study. Out her front window she saw a young man come roaring down the hill where she lived at the time. He skidded, swerved and rolled his car all the way down. She ran out the door, telling her grandkids to stay in the house — the oldest to dial 911. As she approached the steaming wreck, a young man was crawling out of the car, blood streaming from his head. Neighbors also appeared. Linda got him on his back — held her one hand on his head — the other over his heart. She prayed fervently. Soon, the ambulance came and took him to the ER.

    A couple of weeks later, he appeared at her door. She looked at him, with the bandage around his head and exclaimed, “I’m so glad to see you!” He said, “I have to ask you: What did you do to me?” Linda said, “I prayed. When we accept the Lord Jesus Christ, we are filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit. I just prayed for you.” They talked for a long time, and he received Christ that day at her house.

    So blessed to hear this good news! It still holds, we on “Team Jesus” are called to watch and pray — to be ready in season and out of season…

    Blessings,
    Maru

  16. remarutho says:

    Looking more closely, I see your dog is “he,” Bubbles. Praying for him this morning…Maru

  17. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Maru for the victory story, one more number added to the fullness of the Gentiles…

    Steve

  18. oneg2dblu says:

    Maru… you scored two points, one for the home team and one for the visitors. Great story!

  19. remarutho says:

    Thanks Steve & Gary —

    The truth of this — Linda’s experience — her faithfulness to the Spirit’s promptings — blesses me mightily. Somehow, the telling (and retelling) lifts my heart to the Lord. This story is on its way to making my day — possibly my week!

    Good News is so welcome! Linda included us on her team in a way that sets the Holy Spirit free to do God’s will in the midst of terrible news, and personal suffering, loss, disappointment. Thanks be to Jesus!

    Yours,
    Maru

  20. phpatato says:

    Bubbles when I see the time of your post, it tells me that you’ve had a long night. Please know that I am keeping you in my prayers and thoughts. I know what you are feeling because I’ve been there before myself a few times. Sending you a big warm hug. Deut 31:8

  21. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… your mentioning of the “back seat” brings to mind a story, being a newly retired school bus driver, the back seat does not mean that the rules do not apply any longer.
    It means you put your faith in your driver to get you where you are going, very true, but you had better know the rules and obey them, for they are there for a reason. For the unltimate safety and security of all.

    The driver has every right to be a loving and caring disciplinarian, by saying “NO” when you cross the line or disobey the rules, that were clearly set in place well before you broaded the bus.

    No more rules, would only apply when you decided to get off and go your own way, like one who is no longer under any discipline.

    Whether you are the driver, like God, or in the back seat, like the safe feeling saved who or relying on the driver, the rules still apply.
    But, those who somehow were never taught any rules,
    or are wrongly taught that the rules do not apply to them, they seem to behave differently, and that behavior is what is so dangerously distracing, not the rules clearly posted in the bus.
    For me today, I chose to sit close by the driver, as I like being under His Dsicipline, for that is what being a disciple really means.

    1John 1:6 NIV
    “If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by truth.”
    1 John 3:6 NIV
    “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.”
    1 John 2:5,6 NIV
    “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.”
    1 John 3:9,10
    “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he can not go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who deos not love his brother.”
    1 John 5:3 NIV
    “This is love for God: to obey his commands, And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world.”

    According to the word of God, There can be “NO” Carnal Christians among us.

    I wonder why the church is so filled with them?

    Could it possibly be, that we are taught wrongly?

    If we look at just one element, let’s take tithing, we know that less than 10 percent who come to church on a regular basis ever tithe, which means we the churched, are either being taught wrongly, or we chose to worship our money more than God.

    1 John 5:21 NIV ” Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.”

    I wonder why when we become Christians today and follow a modern doctrine, we never seem hear the word “NO” posted in the rules any longer, because when it comes to our sin, we think we are alreay saved?

    Here’s a basic message from the front seat,”Obey the rules and have a safe trip!”

    Gary

  22. poohpity says:

    It seems like lack of unity has been a problem since the church began. If we pull our ranks together and remember that we are all called for the same cause and purpose we can lay down our differences to rally together for what binds us together. Paul reminds us that we all have the same Spirit living within us to achieve a common goal. Eph 4:2-6 NLT

  23. BruceC says:

    Maru,

    That story is a great testimony!
    That didn’t just score “points”; it was a shut-out for “The Team”!!

    BruecC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  24. poohpity says:

    Maru, would you ask Linda what she felt inside when she lead someone to Christ? I am very interested in her experience.

  25. kingdomkid7 says:

    What a wonderful testimony of the way God uses regular people to draw others into a realationship with Him by His Holy Spirit! Thanks for sharing, Maru.
    Bubbles, you and your furry friend are in my prayers. Our pets are so loved and so much a part of our lives, it’s a real trial when they aren’t well. I’m praying for a recovery for your dog and for the Lord to comfort you specially during this tough time.

  26. bubbles says:

    Thank you very much for your kind words and prayers today. Currently the medication has perked him up. I don’t know what was wrong and if it still is, or if the medication is masking the symptoms. He laid for 19 hours without moving yesterday.

  27. SFDBWV says:

    I have been following the comments, as have a great many other somewhat silent people, the past couple topics and it seems to me that the wound that BTA suffered from a few topics back has had its effect on the blog.

    This is tragic as it shows that in spite of the *team* desiring to be *one* it isn’t, it is fractured and in many pieces.

    When we say we desire for all people to become Christian we are labeled intolerant of other religions, yet this is the “Great Commission” to make disciples of all nations.

    If we try and convince a brother or sister they may be errant we are labeled pious or worse, yet Jesus taught there is only one way and gave directions on how we should live and Paul gave sometimes stern and sometimes gentle instruction as to lead believers back into correct doctrine.

    It would appear that we have the look of a league rather than a team with each team in competition against the other.

    Steve

  28. oneg2dblu says:

    Maru… you don’t have to ask Linda how she felt when leading another to Christ for me, because I know how she felt.

    She felt lead by the Holy Spirit that lives in her.

    The very same Holy Spirit that leads us Christ Followers, to Not continue our sinning, by saying we are already forgiven.

    According to the word of God that I have read so far, and the understanding the Holy Spirit within me gives me, as it reads to me the following:

    Galatians 5:16 NIV
    “So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves.”

    Galatians 5:19,20 ,21
    “When you follow the desires of your sin nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, out bursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these.
    Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.”

    To me, it sounds like Paul wasn’t taught as we are, or not quite up to speed with the same popular all inclusive message, that sooths the Carnal Christians in the churches of today.

    I believe Paul’s teaching was directed to the “Already Saved Christians in the Church, who were living as unchanged in their behavior, because they were following their sin nature instead of the Holy Spirit in them, and following a false teaching.

    I agree with Steve, there is a silence here when it comes to Paul’s teachings, and the very division he spoke of still exists today, where the Holy Spirit in us should give us a boldness to speak the truth!
    Gary

  29. oneg2dblu says:

    “Are We All Together Now?”

  30. oneg2dblu says:

    Dear brothers and sisters…

    Galatians 6:1 NIV
    “Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly, should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.”

    If the saved and already forgiven among us, have to be careful not to fall into temptation ourselves, there must be a reason why, and having your sins that are already forgiven as the OSAS now believe can not be one of them.

    Why should the already forgiven, lead the already forgiven away from their sin, if all sin is already forgiven and we are already on the right path?

    Maybe the answer is found here:

    Galatians 6:7 NIV
    “Don’t be misled-you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. Those who live only to satisfy their sin nature will harvest decay and death from that sin nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit. At just the right time we will reap a harvest of blessing if we don’t give up. Therefore, whenever we have the opportunity, we should do good to everyone-especially those in the family faith.”

    Paul was clearly speaking to the family of faith, but his message here was not about faith alone, it was behavior based.

    Galatians 5:24, 25 NIV
    “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sin nature to the cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.”

    There is still time for Carnal Christians to Repent, and allow the Holy Spirit to change their behavior, and not dismiss their behavior as already forgiven.

    “Are we all together now?” Gary

  31. poohpity says:

    Gary, how did you feel when you lead someone to Christ?

    I asked about Linda because I know what it feels like and wanted to share in her experience. There is such a rejoicing in your soul that is unbelievable just like when your team wins a victory. Luke 15:10 NIV

    I have to look within and see if maybe it is me who is causing division? Am I leading others in a mob mentality? Am I directing them away from Christ? How do I feel when another is picked on? Do I feel joy at their pain? Do I talk to people or at them? Do I want people to look up to me or to point them to Christ?

    Each team has players and if some of the players have their own agenda then the division starts and does not end until the team is split. I have to look at my own heart and see if I am part of the team or if it is a competition for a me against them mentality. It seems when each player listens to the coach and does not try and be a coach wanting others to follow after them, then there is unity in purpose. When there is unity in purpose with winning souls for Christ then even the angels are singing in joy and jubilation along with our Savior.

  32. poohpity says:

    It would seem if I tried to answers those questions by pointing a finger at another and not asking them of myself then that is what seems to cause division by not being accountable for my own behaviors. I think we would find more in common then we might be willing to admit.

    That one verse that Mart gave us in the last topic Romans 2:1 has given me much to think about and have found the many areas that is true of me. I know this may not be a safe place for me to confess my shortcomings for fear of judgment but that is what we are asked to do. (James 5:16 NIV) I mess up so much and have many areas that need the touch of the Master.

    bubbles, I am glad Bradley is doing better.

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… I’ll do my best to answer that question.

    First, I know that only the Holy Spirit can change the heart from unbelieving to believing.

    It may be through his using us, but it is always him would does the work in the heart.

    As to the last person I know of, that I may have had a part in maybe helping to bring about a change in another, that would be my Buddhist practicing friend Laraine.

    I have shared my testimony with her, and was also living with her for a while just after to my conversion. So, she witnessed a great change in me.

    I became more and more for Christ and that meant the relationship as it was, was doomed. We parted as lovers, but remained as friends.

    I moved from New England to Florida, and twenty years went by, she pursued and lived with other live in lovers. I of course did not do the same.

    She suffered a great loss of a recent lover and out of that pain our new relationship has developed.

    I shared my concerns for her here in the past and asked for others to pray for her as well.

    So, there is another reason why I know, it was never just my doing to celebrate.

    She has since told me that she has prayed the Sinner’s Prayer.

    (Fist pumps all around the house could be had for all!)

    She also said, nothing happened…

    I can not change or see her heart, so my rejoicing is only that I followed the Spirit’s leading when He led.

    I shared my written testimony with her a few months ago, shared my living testimony when visiting her, and that is my being led by the Spirit blessing.

    She recently lost her Mom, and during the closing of act her life she asked me to pray for her, and to pray her Mom!

    That evidence is my joy!

    I do not seek the approval of man for my blessing today, only the knowing that I obeyed that Spirit within me, do I find my joy!

    So, this possible salvation experience is still being held at a distance so to speak, as I await the coming fruit to show its evidence, but, “If nothing changes, nothing changes!”

    Some here may say my work is done, she is saved by that prayer alone, but my prayers for her are Spirit led for a reason.

    So, I continue to pray! Gary

  34. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Out and about and missing the flow of the conversation here. Pooh, you asked about Linda. I honestly will probably not see Linda ’til Sunday. She is a quiet, behind-the-scenes servant who has cared for her mother with Alzheimer’s for five years. She is no preacher, evangelist or expert. She is a Dorcas.

    What she did say as she very simply shared her story the other evening is that when she prayed for the young man, she does not remember whether she prayed silently or out loud as she knelt beside him there on the road. I cannot share every aspect of Linda’s experience. She is a solid saint — making her journey with Jesus in her own way.

    Hope this helps, since the experience of sharing faith is as varied as finger prints. When you finally meet Linda — you will understand instantly how gentle her spirit is. Let me just say I want to be like her when I grow up! :o)

    Yours,
    Maru

  35. BruceC says:

    Bubbles,

    I am so happy to hear the news of your dog. I will continue to pray.

    Thanks all for your prayers for my wife and I. It turned out to be a 50/50 day. I have my new teeth and they fit ok(not as good as the last ones when they were new) and I am better than I was with the real old ones.
    But my wife had a real let down. She has had problems with her teeth for years and we had hoped she would get a real good set and finally have a wonderful smile. All went wrong from the start. To shorten the story she left with out anything as they didn’t fit right at all and she was trying to tell them that from the start. She was very upset and deeply sad. Disappointed would be a mild adjective. Pray for her. Most of her life has been one struggle after another in one way or another; and not of her choosing. She felt better later on but I will do my best with her, pray and comfort and seek the Lord for answers. They are going to call us this AM about sending a refund check as they had already deposited all moneys before the end of the day when we left. It was a long day and a struggle.

    While in Albany I felt such a burden for all the people. They were racing about and it seemed so insane to me, a country boy. I wondered just how many even had a clue of who God is and how much He loves them; and how much they need Him. I thought that this rat-race is not what the Lord wants for us. We stopped at a large mall while we waited for the dental office to make up the plates for us. Christmas decorations up all over; but where is the joy? It all seemed so aimless to me. How deceiving the things of this world are. And how temporary. People striving to obtain things that will someday slip right through their fingers and be gone. It was obvious that there is much work that God has for His Team. And I thought about the beginning of this post and the responses.

    What if…………?

  36. poohpity says:

    Gary, thank you for sharing your story!

    Maru, I know Linda’s story brought joy down deep in her heart.

    Bruce, I am so saddened to hear how things turned out with your wife’s teeth but I have never found that it was through a mouth that a smiles shines out, it is in her eyes that really shows her smile. Anyone one can turn their lips up and show their teeth but a real smile comes from the heart and radiates through the eyes and I bet she has beautiful eyes.

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