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Big Ideas in Small Matters

Am at a theological conference this week, attending wall to wall, morning to evening lectures. While all of the sessions so far have been about how we understand the Bible, some have dealt specifically with principles and methods of interpretation; some on Creation Care; one about contrasting statements Jesus made about forgiveness; and one on what the Gospel of John tells us about the implications of what it means for Christ to be in us, and for us to be in Him, as he is in the Father, and as the Father is in him. As I listened to that one I kept thinking that Moses wasn’t the last of us to have reason to take off his sandals in the presence of a burning bush.

One of the biggest surprises was how much I learned from what sounded at first like an overly complicated discussion of how scholars work through differences that show up in different manuscripts on which Bible translations are made. Was deeply impressed with the discipline textual scholars use in weighing even the smallest most insignificant details of the Bible.

That thought of “details” reminds me of what I heard one of the lecturers emphasize. He urged us not to forget what we know–  that we deal with the big issues of life, with global concerns, and with abstract thoughts, by how we respond to the concrete, local, and small matters that are before us.

While considering the huge issues that are dividing our country, and the escalating conflict in the Middle East, I was reminded of what it means for Christ to be in us, and for us to be in him– right now,,, in what each of us are  thinking, loving, and saying– wherever we are and whatever we are doing.


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  1. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… Wherever I am and whatever I’m doing now I am in Christ and that makes all the difference.
    If we were to take all the knowledge and creativity, all intelligence from every person who ever lived, we could not collectively settle the tension in the bible, or the problems throughout the world without Christ in us. His Holy Spirit is everything we will ever need, want, or discover about the word of God.
    But, it comes to us individually, at the right time, in His timing, and never when we run on without Him leading us. In His Love, Gary

  2. oneg2dblu says:

    A Disicple is a lifelong learner, under disciple.
    A Father who never stops His Disiciple when it comes to His children. He loves us too much to leave us on our own forever! Gary

  3. oneg2dblu says:

    discpline and my dislexia or going hand and hand for me today, sorry for the distraction it can bring. :0

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Realizing how some of you worry or wonder when I don’t post, I wanted to say we are leaving this morning for Morgantown to see my heart doctor for a regular visit and won’t be home until late this evening.

    There is plenty of room for several thoughts to come from Marts efforts for us this morning and am looking forward to exploring them as time allows.

    We still have snow on the ground here in spite of a few very nice days, but none on the highways or roadways to hinder our travels today.

    See all tomorrow.

    Steve

  5. His Sparrow says:

    Lately, I’ve just been thinking about how much I am not only His Sparrow, but His sheep
    – part of a big thing, thinking about my own detailed things along the way.

    I look up frequently at where I’m going, a big abstraction called ‘my world,’ that I don’t understand or trust anymore.

    Trying to pick my own green pasture gets me into too much trouble. Focusing on understanding people around me, by just ‘walking’ along with them or spending my time with them is giving me more and more pleasure. I like that. Maybe that’s the big love in the small matters that God is developing in me.

    I love my BTA family
    His Sparrow

  6. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    There’s a point that I come across quite often. Many look at God’s Word for historic reasons. Enthralled by the adventures, they miss out on the lessons He leaves us. They don’t understand when insight is introduced by another. Those who look for the heart of God and are blessed with insight, miss out on historical value. They don’t understand the history. Meat and potatoes, both seasoned by God. Intricate details help us grow. The balance and fun is to seek both, see why God may have allowed, see how God repeated His actions in different ways, etc. IE: After Adam and Eve’s disobedience, God didn’t leave them on their own. He personally made them a covering. God first, first humans, first sin, first covering. It doesn’t state this but we can assume an animal had to die in order to use the first skin for covering. “The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.” Genesis 3:21 Later, He replicated as the final sin offering played out. As the first human w/out blemish, He personally not only gave but made himself (His own skin)to be the final covering for our sins. Another example of the Alpha and Omega.
    To those divided on decision of which translation should be used in church: I’ve always said if God could speak through a burning bush, He can speak through any translation. You’re in church to worship the Lord with all your heart. How can one do this with bickering? If you don’t have a personal relationship with the Lord in your daily life with your choice of translation, you’re lacking and I feel should have no voice of opinion.
    As Palestine seeks their place on the 29th, the table is being set. I urge you to have meat and potatoes daily at your own table with the Lord, sort of speak. In this He will strengthen you whether it be your own personal battles or world wide. And now, as I tend to over salt, I will stop. (I missed out on the “Let your words be few” lesson.) ;)

  7. poohpity says:

    I often think back to how it was. What it was like before Christ and the things I thought about and it sure was not God. I think along the way or if we were brought up in a home governed by Christians principles we lose sight of the fact that we now view the world differently than we once did. Everything is through a different view or eyes but it has changed.

    Just normal people have no desire to dig into God’s Word as all those who you speak of Mart, they could care less what bible says, what translation is used or even the jots and tittles. Do they care how Jesus fits in to their everyday life, probably not.

    The middle east or even our everyday life has new meaning and purpose when Christ has found a home in our hearts. I know I tend to forget or maybe even take for granted my new life but I pray that I never loose sight of what was before to what is now.

    If the leaders of the free world could look at things through spiritual eyes they may not quibble about things that are not so important and take care of those things that are. It would be nice if as they did back in the day had a spiritual adviser in these tough decisions we are all faced with today, it would be right, left, center and above, complex issues may not be so complex. Billy Graham used to be a consultant in the good ol’ days with many nations.

  8. Bill says:

    Another wonderful post, Mart!

    Especially this:

    “While considering the huge issues that are dividing our country, and the escalating conflict in the Middle East, I was reminded of what it means for Christ to be in us, and for us to be in him– right now,,, in what each of us are thinking, loving, and saying– wherever we are and whatever we are doing.”

    A pastor once told me that it’s possible “to be so heavenly minded we’re no earthly good.” I never forgot that.

    That’s why I always try to take the principles of the Bible — from the smallest to the largest — and apply them in real life, to the real people around me…or even those on the other side of the world with whom I interact via the Internet.

    It’s often too easy to get caught up in the theology of the Bible, and neglect the application of it. That’s why I’m always grateful to read comments posted by others on BTA. They remind me there are real people, sometimes enduring real struggles, that I need to pray for…and to love without condition.

  9. BruceC says:

    poohpity,

    Thanks for the prayers, concern, and kind words about my wife in the last thread. Her “smile” like all of ours sometimes is not what it should be; I know mine isn’t. But Christ has gifted her with talent and a very generous, loving heart. And sometimes those loving hearts are easily hurt. But she continues to press on and I admire her for that.

    Will pray for you Steve. The Lord is with you.

    Mart, I look at “Christ in us” to be the leading of His Holy Spirit and the reflection and compassion of His love and grace. And the “we in Christ, or me for that matter” as our position before the Father for trusting in the finished work of Christ for us on the cross freely given by a loving God from His grace. God doesn’t see me in my own good works or non-existant worthiness, but clothed in the righteousness of His Only Son. And for that I am truly grateful. If all God did was save me; that in and of itself is far more than I deserve. All the rest is “icing on the cake”.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  10. oneg2dblu says:

    AmazedbyHis grace…. to me, that story in the garden about using the animals hide to cover up sin, means that there is no covering of sin without the shedding of blood. So, an innocent animal was sacrificed. It is a type of the eventual coming of Christ, who was sacrificed to shed His blood for our sin.

    Bill… I agree the bible’s theology is all about the application of religion, and the history about how it applies to the human condition and the saving evidence of God is seen throughout.

    I haven’t read it all… but from what I’ve read so far, there really is nothing but a relationship with Christ that will ever satisfy the needs of man.

    No earthly food, no earthly drink, and no earthly love from any of us, will ever completely fill the empty heart condition of another where God alone has placed His Eternity.

    Man will always hunger and thirst and never be satisfied by anything in this world, and without being heavenly minded enough to see our need for a Saviour, we would all be continuously empty, lonely, guilty, and afraid of death.

    I heard that from a pastor and never forgot it.

    We all need to pray for those in this world who are empty, lonely, guilty, and afraid of death, for they have not yet found the real saving grace solution for their unmet needs.

    We also pray for all our brothers and sisters in Christ who will have struggles in this world, a condition we all have to suffer with at times, but we do not have to be empty, lonely, guily, and afraid of death any longer. Praise God, we have found Our Saviour, in Jesus Christ! Gary

  11. poohpity says:

    During those conversations and lectures Mart, I would be interested in the countenances of those discussing those issues. Did those who were getting very analytical with the hard topics find a type of rest, security or peace ” in what each of us are thinking, loving, and saying– wherever we are and whatever we are doing.”?

  12. remarutho says:

    Good Evening Mart & Friends!

    It seems to me each of us wakes to each day we’re given by renewing the “big ideas” about our God – even as we prepare to look after “small matters” on the ground. It takes some courage to turn on the radio for news headlines as I stir that first cup of coffee. Jesus is with us as we hear the news of the world and as we putter around the kitchen making breakfast.

    There is a challenge to keep a balance between the awe of God, who is high and lifted up – exalted above all peoples, nations and every particular thing – versus – the weeds in the garden (my own or my neighbor’s) and the fact that there are bills that are due and the car needs an oil change. There is theology in both sets of things!

    Mart, you wrote:
    “…what the Gospel of John tells us about the implications of what it means for Christ to be in us, and for us to be in Him, as he is in the Father, and as the Father is in him. As I listened to that one I kept thinking that Moses wasn’t the last of us to have reason to take off his sandals in the presence of a burning bush.”

    The wonder of Jesus born into the same flesh as we are, is great – in a city parking lot or on a mountain top. I pray he always persuades us to turn aside to see the great sight of the burning bush and to worship him. Somehow, by his might, he is manifested in us and we in him. How wonderful.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  13. Mart De Haan says:

    Poohpity, yes, and no. I’ve seen both here–in myself– as well as in others. Sometimes the presentations and discussions become very detached and speculative.

    Have also had discussions with a co-worker about the practical implications or lack of them for some of sessions. And sometimes seeing what doesn’t “work” is a reminder of why we need the perspective of what we “know”.

    This morning will be given to a panel discussion on “Creation Care” discussing such questions as “Does it detract from our primary mission? Do efforts to preserve threatened species come at the expense of people and jobs? Does God really care about the animals and ecology when so many people desperately need our attention? There are within the group here strong feelings on these and other questions.

  14. SFDBWV says:

    I have to smile and chuckle to myself as I imagine a group of *theologians* coming together to discuss…”theology”.

    Theology “1.The study of God and the relationship between God and the universe; study of the religious doctrines and matters of divinity. 2. A specific form or system of this study, as expounded by a particular religion or denomination.”

    Here in this group we have a sampling of all walks of life from a plethora of experiences and educations and for the most part all professing to be Christian, though there have been some who said they were not.

    Here in this gathering of both lay people, scholarly and some professionals we practice the same exercise as did Mart’s seminar of theologians; we discuss “theology”.

    When God picked out certain people for His purposes did he go to the princes and wise accomplished men of the earth?

    When Jesus came into the world did He come to the religious rulers to expose His teaching?

    Jesus explained that we have to be as little children concerning matters of faith. What is it about little children that make them special in matters of faith in the eyes of the Master?

    They just believe without intellectual proof or the interference of presenting a point of view, they just believe.

    Human nature interferes with our views and walk with God and most specifically with each other, it is the great hurdle we strain to overcome and what keeps us from advancing in growth toward just being like little children.

    It is that curiosity and need to understand everything around us that inhibits our *faith* and slows our progress in being more *Christlike*.

    While we are forced to live in a world we have to understand and function in, in order to survive, we are given an opportunity to have peace that surpasses understanding by trusting something in our hearts not in our minds, by looking past here and now and keeping a vision of a future sculpted and molded by Jesus of Nazareth our Lord and Savior. A vision we can not see, but trust to Him.

    Faith is a very individual matter, given between God and you. It can not be explained or exchanged, but can be attacked and sometimes eroded by the lack of faith from others.

    Hold tightly to what you have been given and keep your eyes fixed on Him.

    Steve

  15. Bill says:

    Steve put it far more eloquently (and politically correct) than I will — especially in light of Mart’s last post (November 16, 2012 at 6:43 am), part of which was:

    “This morning will be given to a panel discussion on “Creation Care” discussing such questions as “Does it detract from our primary mission? Do efforts to preserve threatened species come at the expense of people and jobs? Does God really care about the animals and ecology when so many people desperately need our attention? There are within the group here strong feelings on these and other questions.”

    I would be poking my eyes with pencils if I had to sit through something like that.

    What you describe in that paragraph is considered Liberalism 101. It is a political issue more than not.

    The answers to those questions are found in the Bible. God did not create animals in His image. He did not spend eternity wondering how to save spiders and minnows and owls. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say, “Hey! Wait a minute! We can’t gather all these people here on this hill. There may be endangered species underfoot. We’ll have to postpone the Sermon on the Mount until we can get permission from the EPA!”

    We have a responsibility as good stewards to care for the world the God created. But that responsibility ends when doing so conflicts with or detracts from our care for PEOPLE. “Does it detract from our primary mission?” Without a doubt.

    Any conference that spends time and resources discussing EPA-related topics gets a pass from me.

    People are in utter despair these days! The Middle East is about to go up in flames. Obamacare is already taking a huge toll because companies are either cutting employee hours to part time or laying them off to avoid the taxes levied on businesses over a certain number of employees. The unemployment rate is higher again (about where it’s been for some 45 months) and will likely double in the next year. America is heading for a fiscal disaster of epic proportions.

    On top of that, food banks are depleted. And cities like New York have banned donations of food directly to the homeless because the city cannot ascertain the salt and fat content of the food given to them. (Is that insanity, or what?)

    In other words, the time for philosophizing and theologizing and mixing politics with religion is long past — especially the kind of politics that cares more about “endangered species” than hurting, hungry, homeless human beings.

    I’m just not seeing it. Seriously. I don’t know how much more of this I can take. It’s no wonder Christianity is becoming an ineffectual, marginalized, laughingstock of a religion. As Vance Havner said many years ago, we’re playing marbles with diamonds.

  16. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… trust your doctors visit went well, as he did let you return home.
    I believe as you have said…
    “Faith is a very individual matter, given between God and you. It can not be explained or exchanged, but can be attacked and sometimes eroded by the lack of faith from others, (and attacked and eroded by lack of faith by you the individual, so then,)
    Hold tightly to what you have been given and keep your eyes fixed on Him. (lest you fall away from the gift of faith given!)”

    Forgive my (bracketed additions) but my current “theology” would not let me leave them out of my thinking, or out of your words.

    Small matters in Big Ideas, Gary

  17. redleaf3 says:

    Bill love your earlier post;

    ‘what it means for Christ to be in us, and for us to be in him– right now,,, in what each of us are thinking, loving, and saying– wherever we are and whatever we are doing.

    A pastor once told me that it’s possible “to be so heavenly minded we’re no earthly good.”’

    I too will never forget what that pastor said. After this post I will be posting it on my computer’s desktop so I can be reminded daily.

  18. oneg2dblu says:

    Bill… I can see you point, but I will still fill the birdbath again anyhow.
    Maybe there is another apporoach that would be more easliy explain it, to each his own, or if God lays it on your heart, go for it!
    Today, man is an endangered species, and the Great Commission is given to help him, today, tomorrow, and forever.
    However, today there is also a Great Ommission as well, and if God lays it on your heart, go for it!

    So maybe both sides are really going for it! Gary

  19. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    Hope your visit with your doctor went well.

    I am glad you brought up the “faith of a child”. Here was Christ telling all those around, even scholars; that unless you accept God’s Truth like a little child you cannot enter the kingdom. It truly is not about head knowledge but about sureness in one’s heart. The type of faith where it does not need proof, but believes and knows without seeing. Just as a little child trusts his earthly father and rests in his care; and knows beyond any doubt that he is loved by him so we are asked and required to have the same relationship with our heavenly Father.
    My living room is not decorated with degrees, nor am I an intelligent person or gifted with the ability to write or speak impressively; but I have had the kind of relationship with my Lord that makes me stand in awe of His power, makes eyes fill with tears(quite often) because of His love, grace, mercy, and care for me; and always assures me that there is nothing in this world or life that means more to me than Him. As a child I remember being in the arms and embrace of my mother and father and knowing their deep unwavering love for me. With my Lord Jesus Christ that love cannot even be measured.

    Poohpity,

    You are so right about trying to grasp those things people write down without seeing facial expressions or body language. Something seems to always be missing.

    Bill,

    I agree with some of what you say. The care of God creation is like a coin. Two-sided. On one side are those that make it into a religion and don’t care if people die or suffer as long as their “Mother Earth” is cared for and worshipped. On the other is what I call practical conservation. That the gifts God has given us are to be used wisely and not destroyed for the greed of some. It should not be left desolate and poisoned for others. The area of New Jersey where I spent my first 21 years is an area that is still polluted. The Passaic River used to change colors depending on what fabric dye waste was being poured into it. Those silk mills were gone when I was born but the poison was not. Today they have bass tournaments on that river. And no innocent person was harmed by its reclamation. But NJ still has a very high cancer rate when compared to other areas.

    May God Bless all here. And don’t forget to pray for Israel. It breaks my heart to see what is happening.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  20. poohpity says:

    It seems in the OT that God laid out plans for care of the creation like the land for instance but I do not see where it is written about protection of different species of animals. So in that if God is a God of balance I would think there is a place for that too! Since we were left to be good stewards of what is intrusted to us would it not also take into consideration grace in a balance of that as well? 1 Peter 4:10

    The things here were placed in our hands and I do not think that you can care for one without care for the others. We have stripped or abused, human beings, animals, the land, the air and the seas. We have made so much trash that it spills over into all areas. I thought our job was to care for it all but because of wants and greed we have become consumers who just use and then throw away and that includes all living creatures as well. Everything seems to be expendable but I would think that in the end it is our souls that are the only thing that remains to be brought into the New Jerusalem. I wonder if then that is why the NT pays so much attention to the souls of man?

    I do not think it is an either, or proposition. I think it may be an all inclusive type of thing. I think God put it on some hearts to look out for the animals, some for the land, sea and air and the others to care for the people and respect between them all but there seems to be no respect for to much of anything anymore.

  21. poohpity says:

    Everything we have ever needed or wanted for that matter is supplied through the earth and possibly in gratitude we could show better care of it all and in that we would show our thankfulness for all the beauty that was created for us.

  22. fadingman says:

    Mart, when you mentioned “details”, I thought of “jots and tittles”, just as Poohpity did. I also thought about the negative side of this: how the Pharisees liked to strain out gnats, arguing over the finer points of the Law and their traditions. It’s important to pay attention to detail, yet not go down the road of the Pharisees. What details should we should be concerned with, and what details should we ignore? What details are beneficial and what are not?

    It is important to know what the Bible says, to have a detailed understanding of various doctrines in the scriptures. But it is more important to have the same attention to detail in our walk with Christ and other believers. Our hearts need examining just as much as our doctrine – even more so (1 Corinthians 13:2).

    The ‘jot and tittle’ thing brought to my mind what God said to Jeremiah. “I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts” (Jeremiah 31:33). If it is important to accurately know the word of God, it is also important to let the word of God have it’s way in our hearts to the same degree of detail. My practice is just as important as my doctrine.

    One thing about Christ in me is that He points out things in my life that aren’t right, and He works on them. I find it is not my doctrinal understanding that He focuses on so much as my way of thinking, practice, and relationships with others. That is His attention to detail, and it is what I’m to be concerned with.

  23. castaway says:

    Mart:

    It has been my experience that some if not most believers are rather uncomfortable with the idea of being “in Christ” and “Christ in them” once they fully understand the ramifications, if they ever do.

    The Castaway

  24. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    Fadingman, you blessed me greatly with your post. You have great focus and ability to bring depth to the surface. I agree with all that you stated.
    There’s also a healthy balance between man and caring of animals. Man first, animals second. Neither should be abused. If it affects man, man rules. If it affects a loss of species, man should take steps to seek God’s will first. It may be God’s will to phase out certain species for our own good.
    Again, I’m careful not to add to God’s word in any way. Though not stated, we assumed that God killed an animal to provide garments to cover Adam and Eve. Was the purpose merely for the garments? Was this the first sacrifice after the disobedience?
    Years ago, my late husband used to run a 637D Scraper. A whole section was shut down due to one endangered bird nesting. This stopped a good part of production. As my dad (manager) spoke outside with the opposition, the bird had wandered into the roadway. My husband barreled down the road and ran over it. It really was an accident!

  25. Mart De Haan says:

    castaway, I think it would be importanat to talk more about why people are uncomfortable with the “Christ in you” and the “you in Christ: thought..I’d like to have our next conversation about that. I’ll try to post something new by tomorrow morning EST US.

    As far as the earth care issue goes, one question is whether we are caring for what he has entrusted to us as a way of worshipping Him, and caring for one another, or have we, as Paul wrote to the Romans, begun worshipping the creation itself, as a way of worshipping ourselves and our own appetites. One reason Israel was taken out her land (by war) is that the nation did not care for the fields that God had made to feed those shaped in his image– from the soil of the earth.

  26. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    This morning I am weeping for the Hamas/Israel confrontation at the Gaza line. May we join our prayers together for the Lord’s intervention in the solid, ancient hatred the two factions hold in their hearts.

    Mart, you wrote:
    That thought of “details” reminds me of what I heard one of the lecturers emphasize. He urged us not to forget what we know– that we deal with the big issues of life, with global concerns, and with abstract thoughts, by how we respond to the concrete, local, and small matters that are before us.

    It appears to me that the human mind and heart are not noted for consistency in any case – but holding the Word of God (Old and New Testaments) together is especially hard for us. There is such a varied and seemingly contradictory reality in the great story of God with God’s people – the Bible.

    To me, my view of Jesus is vital to my balance in the dilemma you describe here: The very God of Creation was born into the same flesh as we are, with heart, mind and a skin that will bleed when broken. Then, surpassing death itself he rose in a glorious body – which is still flesh in some way I do not really comprehend – he returned to the unveiled presence of God. Then, the Holy Spirit was sent to comfort, guide and inspire the people called by God to establish his kingdom on earth.

    The presence of the living God is entwined with human flesh in a way which, once accomplished by God, cannot be reversed. We will not return to the Old Covenant as the only covenant ever. It is not a simple or easy thing to hold it all inside, and to live by its reality.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  27. Mart De Haan says:

    Maru, you are so right! the Anglican theologian NT Wright had a session at the conference where he once again emphasized that as the Temple of Jerusalem once represented “where heaven met earth”, now that temple and “meeting place” has been replaced by the temple of Christ himself– and Him in us.

    With you, my one thought is “but who can understand” the second may be “and how could we possibly afford to forget?

  28. remarutho says:

    Mart, it is a wonder. We must “remember” — and yet containing it all causes a sense of:

    – awe
    – terror
    – delight
    – joy
    – light-heartedness
    – dread

    It is a wonder we do not burst with the extreme character of it all! I pray we will surrender to being his and him being ours. I heard the author who adapted Anna Karenina interviewed earlier. He said, when asked “What is love?” — “Love is twenty things, but it is not nineteen. Lacking even one, it is not love.” (my paraphrase)

    I wonder, is the sense of dynamic activity associated with the working of the Holy Spirit meant to “spill over” to an outward expression in behavior, action in the world, and new relationships? Just asking.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  29. remarutho says:

    Saw NT Wright at a seminar a few years ago. He is a great and kind man. Maru

  30. oneg2dblu says:

    Maru… I agree fully we have a great doulbe sided reality living everywhere, especially witihn. In the tension of the Middle East and the tension in the Bible as believed, one way by those who have the Spirit, and another by those that don’t. That one element within man is the dividing factor that man himself can never solve.
    I’m not really considered at tree hugger by popular political definition unless that hugguing also has the one element attached to it.
    Here is a simple why, a poem by Alfred Joyce Kilmer.

    Trees

    I think that I will never see
    A poem as lovely as a tre.

    A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
    Against the earth’s sweet flowing breast;

    A tree looks at God all day.
    And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

    A tree that in Summer wear
    A nset of robins in her hair;

    Upon whose bosom snow has lain,
    Who intimately lives with rain.

    Poems are made by fools like me,
    But only God can make a tree.

    That was one a my earthly father’s
    favorites that he shared with me,
    as it hugs our Heavenly Father too,
    and that alone makes me hug a tree.
    Gary

  31. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Gary — the image of the tree drawing all necessities from the earth and sky is like us — as Pooh said, “We get everything we need for life from earth.” Yet, we also reach “up” with our arms as those tree limbs reach for the sunlight. Thanks for the picture, Gary.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  32. Mart De Haan says:

    Gary, thanks :-)… have too often heard only the first 2 lines…

  33. tracey5tgbtg says:

    I’m not sure where to find the exact place that the bible mentions “us in Christ and Christ in us” but I do see John 17:20-21 Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
    Then in John 17:23 Jesus says “I in them and you in me.” Again this is to let the world know.

    Which says to me that the Father was in Jesus and Jesus is in the hearts of his followers.

    What I see is that if we are allowing Jesus to be the center of our hearts, souls and minds, then they world will see Him in us. If we are following the greatest commandment, to love the Lord our God above everything else, even His creation, then I believe He will guide us into caring for creation, loving our neighbor, turning from temptations, putting away false idols, hating what is evil, etc etc.

    It seems that too often Christians want to tell people how to act and what to believe, but all that must simply come from Christ in a person’s heart. We can’t even say to someone, “you need to believe in God and allow Jesus in your heart” and expect that to be enough. It has to come from God. How does the world see God? John 17:20-23

    God leads us into the good works He has chosen for us. But we can’t then turn to our neighbor and say “do the good works” I am doing. Following, trusting, and loving God must always come first, then the world will see Him in us.

    Sometimes, I think we get so caught up in making sure that people see what is wrong with this world that we forget to trust God to do this Himself, through us as we follow Him. Maybe not even through us. God can reach the human heart through any means He chooses.

    Gary – thanks for including the poem.

  34. poohpity says:

    God made a provision in the OT to leave the ground still on the seventh years and let it rest. If I am not mistaken they would have enough crops on the 6th year to hold them over until they planted and harvested on the 8th year. I did not see in the Bible when they ever followed through on that but does that not show a lack of trust in God’s provision.

    I believe a lot of people not all do so much in their own strength and control then give credit for God when in their hearts they are really taking credit for the acts by the way they boast or are haughty about them. There are also many who boast of being spirit filled but if that really were the case would they not say anything.

    Our friend Ted who was a big proponent of NT Wright I would often wonder if the things he taught were not more dependent on the strength of human efforts rather than on the indwelling Spirit. I think so much of so many areas because of our worldly basis are not a reflection on that at times more so than a reflection of the Holy Spirit.

    I wonder if we do not worship more things than we really understand we do. I see how some people treat their cars, lol! Or the things they hold so dear to, their earthly treasure that will disappear one day but they hope it will not before them. So much to understand and think about.

  35. florida7sun says:

    Lecture upon lecture…

    Interpretation of the Word can be tantamount to adding color within lines of a coloring book. Whose finished product provides the most insight into truth? Can we see the whole truth (and nothing but the truth) in someone else’s depiction with their chosen hues and given light of illumination? And, every so often, someone chooses to color outside the lines giving explanation it provides an opportunity for a new perspective and greater clarity through heightened understanding.

    God loves us individually. Created in His image He guides us through application of His love. The richness and splendor of the Lord is way beyond our human comprehension. We perceive His glory and presence through heavenly filters, as through a glass tinted for our protection. The perception we gain at any moment is in keeping with His plan for our lives.

    This morning I viewed a TED presentation on how light and shades of color are interpreted by our senses. They can be seen through our sight, heard through our hearing, and felt through our touch. Yet, everyone’s interpretation is skewed in some degree or intensity; much like our responses to the question, “Hath God said?” – Genesis 3:1

    Is what we see and hear the truth or has it been framed as an illusion? In this age of opination it is so important to discern the message.

    Children can understand the Gospel…

    We are like sheep. Individually, in drawing closer and closer to our Shepherd, we are guided day-by-day by Our Father and fed through His Word. He chooses to walk with us and embrace us personally through His presence, mercy and grace. – John 10:27.

    The light and colors I use to express my love for Jesus (through what I have seen, heard and touched) may be different from those applied by my brothers and sisters in Christ. Yet, as we all focus our sights on our Risen Lord and His Cross, we are drawn closer together in spirit and truth.

    His love is the very bridge to life. -Psalm 23

  36. fadingman says:

    More musings on God’s ‘details’…

    * God is fully aware of things that I consider ‘useless trivia’, like the number of hairs on my head.

    * God lavishly ‘clothes the grass’ with beauty (Luke 12:27-28).

    * He’s concerned with each individual sparrow (Matthew 10:29-31).

    * He gives and sustains life even to creatures and organisms we know nothing about (i.e. in the depths of the ocean, buried deep underground, or so small we can’t see with the naked eye).

    * He even provides for creatures we would rather do without (i.e. mosquitoes, house flies, pigeons).

    * He’s concerned about the poor and needy – the refuse of society.

    I don’t think God takes a statistical view of the world (i.e. “X percent of people believe in me/obey me/etc.”). He is concerned about each one of us individually (Luke 15).

    The devil is not in the details… God is.

  37. poohpity says:

    fadingman, I wonder if the devil does pay attention to details because only through thoroughly knowing them can we be lead into deception by the tiniest details being twisted? I think it may be one of his whiles to get us caught up in them and neglecting the bigger picture.

  38. poohpity says:

    Mart, I think when you said, “whether we are caring for what he has entrusted to us as a way of worshipping Him, and caring for one another,” is more than a mouth full and goes to even have a heart filled with the Lord. I remember what those who first received the Holy Spirit acted like in Acts 2:42-47 NLT. It was because of that that God added more to them who were being saved.

  39. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    In my opinion, I think you are both right poohpity and fadingman. Sometimes when we are on the mountain top in Spirit, we don’t want to look into the valley of sin. This is a great place to be and by your writings fadingman, perhaps this is where you are. The mountain top comes with a warning for us. I believe the devil can be in the details waiting to devour Christians, his favorite snack.(So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 1st Corinthians 10:12. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8) One kind word can lead to adultery, one innocent scheme can lead to a taste for money, etc. Filling the void with worldly desire soon cancels out Spiritual desire. It’s up to us to go the Lord and call for help, focus, draw on His strength so that God is in the details. Oh that is so difficult sometimes because our desires are strong! It takes the full armor, not partial. One last point: A former adult SS teacher was one of the most Spirit led men I’ve ever met. His interaction with people didn’t stop on Sunday either. He was what many Christians would have deemed as dirt before He asked the Lord to rescue him. However, many Christians still treated him as saved dirt. Yes, the devil is in the details.

  40. BruceC says:

    AmazedbyHisgrace,

    “However, many Christians still treated him as saved dirt.”
    That quote breaks my heart because I have seen this too. What do these folks think that our Lord meant when He commanded us(not suggested to us)that we love one another as He has loved us? I’ve seen fellow Christians treated poorly by others just because they were different and not the same as those doing the mistreatment. In other words, if you weren’t like them they didn’t want anything to do with you. My wife has had a learning disability since birth and I have seen how some have treated her. I have had to bite my lip or something may have happened that would not have been good. She just has a difficult time grasping some things. It reminds me of the Pharisee and sinner both praying to God.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  41. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    My heart goes out to your wife and you. I am well familiar with mistreatment in church or any gathering of people who profess the Lord. (Even blogs.) Haughtiness should be rebuked immediately before it gathers it’s crowd. We never address this though. She also needs to realize it’s just the devil working through people to make her draw away from whole hearted worship and fellowship. Easier said than done when you are personally attacked. I recently had a double whammy on this. Mistreatment plus I stood my ground on what I felt should have been done for the Lord’s glory. When it wasn’t, I was the silent but sore reminder that it should have been done. I was somewhat shunned thereafter and I was very active in that church. When you see the worship of people over the Lord, it’s time to seek another place to worship. Blessings to you and your wife, Bruce.

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