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Unusual Facts About the Bible

Seems that some of the Bible’s credibility lies in the fact that it does not just tell us what we might expect to hear.

For instance, both testaments describe in detail the weaknesses and failures of the people whose story they tell (i.e. leaders of Israel and the disciples of Jesus). Historians view potentially embarrassing reports of ones own group as an indicator of authenticity.

Why would the nation of Israel, or the church of Christ retain a body of literature that catalogs their personal and collective moral, social, and spiritual failures?

Peter’s Denial of Christ

By present day standards,  many would see such admissions as being unpatriotic and damaging to national interests (for Israel), and unfriendly to the collective reputation (of the church).


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  1. bubbles says:

    Good morning.

    Admitting mistakes and sins is honest. We can learn from our own mistakes and sins and the mistakes and sins of others. The people in the Bible were just people, they were not perfect. They sinned and needed a Savior just like we do.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    I found it immediately interesting that Mart said “Historians view potentially embarrassing reports of ones own group as an indicator of authenticity.”

    I see those who read or study the Bible to be a very diverse group of people yet able to be grouped themselves.

    Historians
    Theologians
    Laity
    The curious
    The antagonists

    Each group researches the Bible from different foundations and so look with different eyes and most often already have a bias as to whether or not they believe what it is they read.

    Thinking of historians immediately led me to think of Herodotus, known as the father of history. The fame of Herodotus as being the father of history substantiates my claims that those who study such things have a bias already in place in their thinking.

    Clearly for those of us who accept the Bible’s authenticity, the Bible would predate Herodotus’s writings by thousands of years. Yet there are institutions in place whose sole purpose is to prove the historical accuracy of the Bible while being challenged by the academic societies as to it not being historically correct or even relevant historically.

    The power of the “Dead Sea Scrolls” is that they are a tangible evidence that the exact word for word writings of the OT(Torah) remain the same today as was recorded then, over 2,000 years ago.

    Now these same documents mention the expected Messiah and because they talk so much of Messiah, the owners of the Dead Sea Scrolls (Israel) have kept their information very secret from the rest of the academic world.

    If we understand that what we know comes from what we have learned, it is easy to see that from such ancient writings we learn from them how to write stories or record history so as to not only be accurate, but also believable.

    The greatest challenge to Christian intellectuals comes from the writings known to us as the Gospels and letters of the NT.

    Just as Jesus explained and thanked the Father, simple people (Laity) accept NT Bible without question as an innocent child might, while the more stoic intellectuals among us seek proofs before they can.

    All the while what we need to do is listen to that still small voice in our heart, and the more we do the stronger our faith becomes, faith without evidence, faith without proofs.

    There is more to say, so I will stop for now and continue on later.

    Thanks for the new subject Mart.

    Steve

  3. BruceC says:

    I am more inclined to believe someone who is open and honest about themselves and their shortcomings than someone who is arrogant and filled with themselves and their own accomplishments. Our honesty about our imperfections can give hope to others and point them to the One who is perfect.
    I had an interesting discussion with a young lady at a Native American museum nearby. We were discussing the interaction between Native Americans and Europeans during the colonial period. She was a little defensive when I said that many history books viewed all parties involved with blood on their hands and guilty of brutal atrocities.
    I then told her that my ancestors in the British Isles were pagans and idol worshippers at one point and that was just a fact and did not reflect on any individual. Which proves what Mart said about how the truth of history can be viewed as damaging by some for what ever reason they may wish to present.

    But the Word says that it is the Truth that sets us free.
    The truth that we all have sinned and need a Savior; and the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way and the Messiah.

    BruceC
    Soli De Gloria!

  4. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends!

    I do not subscribe to any theory of that claims human beings are significantly evolved morally since a few millennia BC; but I do believe that government and the distribution of power in society have changed. We do not see political power extremely centralized as it was in the late days of the judges and by the kings of Israel and the ancient near east.

    The 21st c. human heart is essentially the same as it was in ancient days: sinners turn their backs upon the moral imperatives of the universe – that is, the God of Israel who breathed the universe into being. The rebellion of humanity is the story we haul everywhere with us, as Bruce points out. It is plainly told in Scripture. It is also visible in history written outside the Bible, as Steve reminds us.

    Every flag of the nations waves over a sorry history of power struggle and brutality.

    God now calls us all out of that way of life. He offers us in Christ permanent citizenship in the New Jerusalem, a city not made with hands. It seems to me the truth of God’s holy love has yet to be fully lived out by every subject of God’s kingdom.

    Jesus said, “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; therefore be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. But beware of men; for they will deliver you up to the courts, and scourge you in their synagogues; and you shall even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.” (Matthew 10:16, 17, 18)

    Find where the righteous are in prison and where their lives are forfeit because of Jesus, and see the fulfillment of Scriptural prophecy. It seems many come to faith when faith requires sacrifice of prestige and honor.

    It seems to me living by the will of God is costly, humbling as well as joyful and rewarding. Our consolations are in him, not in the pride of nations.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  5. SFDBWV says:

    My mind bounces all over the place with this subject so I want to be able to focus in on one or two subjects at a time (if I can).

    Many of us see a very different nature from the God we see in the OT and in the NT. Though they are the same and after deeper reading the same nature is seen in both.

    Once again the many different mind sets of people who study the Bible come up with what seems to them as good questions that need good answers.

    Most any of us would say that God is incapable of making mistakes, is all knowing, all seeing and everywhere in everything all at the same time.

    Yet others may say that man, made in His image, also may reflect some of the less desirable natures of God.

    Hate
    Anger
    Jealousy
    Vengeance
    Wrath

    The nature of God, given by His own writings and explanations, shows right away that when Adam disobeyed, God didn’t immediately forgive Him and be above punishing Adam for God not having things His way; no, God did what most of us understand, He punished Adam severely.

    Never mind if God had a hidden mystery and plan from the beginning, the fact remains God reacted to Adam’s disobedience in the same way we would with a child of our own, or even someone under our authority.

    Then there is the story of the Flood. God says that he “repents” that he even made man at all and so destroys all living creatures in all the earth except those in the ark.

    Once again, never mind the far reaching implications of future events, the fact remains that God acted much like one of us may if we were writing a letter or a child coloring on a sheet of paper, when it didn’t turn out like we wanted we would crumple it up and toss it in the trash, and start over

    Please don’t beat me up for saying these things; I have the utmost respect and love of God. What I see is God showing through His adventures with man, that man also has these same emotions and abilities to act upon them, sometimes showing a darker side of the nature of both, at the same time equally showing the more noble and selfless love both are capable of doing. All coming from the same source…God.

    Once again showing the believability of Scripture to the skeptic as well as the believer, because it is truth not fiction.

    Steve

  6. Rocky says:

    Good morning Mart & Friends,

    Perhaps that’s why God chose the Israel nation. I can remember growing up in a home where we were not to point out the faults of our parents, teachers, or authority figures.

    So whenever I did something “wrong” in their eyes since I saw them as “perfect” I just knew I was this horrible person. Not only that I was led to believe that they were perfect.

    Until I began to read and study the Word, I saw the poor choices, the wrongs, that the Israel people had made and God had mercy on them, to know that was available for me too was huge.

    Primarily because I grew up believing that if I couldn’t please mom, there was no way possible that I could possibly please God.

    Have an awesome day!
    Rocky

  7. poohpity says:

    I was also raised in a family where the parents were very controlling and the admission of mistakes or failures would have shown weakness. If I ever pointed out an inconsistency with what they said and did, as children often do, that would not end well. I made it a point with mine to always share when I did something wrong and ask for forgiveness or we would think together different alternatives in some areas but the point being to let them know everyone messes up.

    When I first read through the bible that is what was so attractive to me. All these real people who mess up yet God used them. I think that was why I found it so appealing and keep me coming back for more.

  8. poohpity says:

    Steve, I see something different in the garden. God told His first created two do not eat of the tree of knowledge or they would die. They ate, God in His infinite grace showed compassion on them by first covering them then foretelling about the One who would come to pay their penalty for disobedience. So I see mercy and consequences for their own choice.

    In the flood when the heavenly beings had relations with women of earth and the generation became very wicked, God showed mercy and grace by saving certain animals and people from destruction.

    So I guess it is all in how one looks at things. Yes I believe if we are formed in the likeness of God and that includes our emotions but to me God is very slow to anger when it comes to us, forgiving, merciful and full of grace especially when we deserve so much more like separation from a Holy God, yet!

    I know we do not understand everything about God because His ways are far above ours but in my trek through the bible I have not found God like you describe not that it may not be in there but I have found Him more like what Job said when He questioned the way God does things. In the OT I have found the many times that God did not act on His anger or ever give to them what they deserved. God seemed to send someone with a warning before anything happened now does that sound like a punitive, angry God or One full of mercy.

  9. poohpity says:

    I have never seen hate in God except for sin but we as humans let our anger fester and then comes to hatred. Jealousy because God knows it is in our best interest to love Him above all us then we would treat others the way He treats us and that is with grace. Vengeance and wrath is seen in sending His only Son to take that upon Himself as He bore it.

  10. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning all…I would say that any good story teller puts both victory and tragedy, rich and poor, healthy and sick, dark and light together as they attempt to paint a full picture with their words.
    Poetic license however, gives them the ability to also mix truth and lies throughout, biased opinion throughout, and their world view throughout.
    That places the bible well above all other writings because the author’s world view in the bible is so beyond the reader’s ability to fully see it.
    With the element of faith based interpretation leading the way, though each reader places his own bias into what faith means to them, where some find that tested faith is more trustworthy than untested.
    For some a path well trodden is more reliable than breaking a new one.
    To some a perfected and well polished gem needs to first come under much pressure to form it, and then be broken from the whole to bring it to light.
    Then, trusting in the well crafted cuts from the master cutter does it take its final shape, and He alone then puts it in the perfect setting to allow it to gather the most light as it then shares that light that passes through it into the world.
    We are the crushed, broken, and cut ones, chosen to get the Master’s touch placed upon us, as His faith comes forth in us, so we get to spread His Light throughout the world. Gary

  11. davids says:

    This topic speaks to me because it was in my first reading of the Bible that the balanced approach of what it said that led me to believe in its authenticity and then to belief in the Christ.

    Steve, you raise some interesting points. My sister, like me, was not brought up in a church-going household, but her family attended church regularly. My brother-in-law said to me a few years ago that he believed in the New Testament, but not really in the Old Testament.

    Some people have a very difficult time reconciling the face of the Son with actions of the Father in the OT. Non-believers often use examples of God’s judgement in the OT to argue against the loving nature of God.

    God was raising an immature people to prepare them for His faith. The events of the OT are not more violent or harsh compared to what was going on in the world at that time, and sadly to say in tribalistic societies today like the Congo, Central Asia, etc.

    If God had appeared to people 4000 or 2000 years ago and said, “Treat men and women with equal respect, don’t have slaves, etc.” that would come across as completely inauthentic.

  12. bubbles says:

    We know the truth about Rahab, Tamar, Ruth, and Bathsheba. Rahhab had faith in God, and she hid the spies in Jericho. God preserved her life, and she became the mother of Boaz. Boaz married Ruth from Moab. Moabites came from Lot and a daughter, and they were wicked people. Yet Ruth chose to leave that sinful place and obey God and was honored to be in the line of Christ. She had Obed who had Jesse who had David.

    Over and over we see God use ordinary people who had sinned, but the story seems to say God can use anyone. No one’s background is too bad that God cannot use them. His forgiveness is greater than our sin.
    God honored each of these women to be in the line of Christ.

  13. fadingman says:

    The Bible describes human frailties and failures as a backdrop for its real subject: God. The Bible is not primarily about the human race, or a particular nation, or certain godly people, or about the church. It is about God. Exodus is about God. Job is about God. Etc. I get the most from the Bible when I read it to discover more about God – to know Him and relate to Him better.

  14. fadingman says:

    …and it just occurred to me that the same is true of my life. It is to be a backdrop for God to show His glory.

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