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2b–Unusual Facts About the Bible

Am trying to use  a series of posts to think with you about the multi-sided realism of the Bible that is so important to its credibility. In that light I’m taking another shot at the first two points before moving on.

The Bible is full of its own people’s dirty laundry. Both testaments describe the weaknesses and failures of the people whose story they tell.

The prophets of Israel did not flatter their own nation.  Ezekiel, for one, describes Jerusalem as being so unfaithful that she made others look good by comparison (Ezek 16:48-52).

Then there’s the New Testament story of Christ’s disciples. On the night prior to the greatest expression of love the world has ever seen, his best friends were arguing among themselves about which of them would be greatest in Jesus’ coming kingdom. One of them, named Peter, apparently thought that he was in the running. But within a few hours he was repeatedly denying that he had ever known the Teacher from Nazareth.

Why would the nation of Israel, or an international Church, treasure records that document their own failures if the Bible is just another example of history written by winners?

Such details are important to the Bible’s credibility. Historians view potentially embarrassing reports of ones own group as an indicator of authenticity.

Jerusalem Western Wall Ritual Washing

2. The Bible is a tough read. Many have heard that the world’s best seller is also the greatest story ever told. But how easy of a read is it? Just ask someone who’s tried to go from cover to cover.  Such persons know what it’s like to find themselves slogging through an ancient collection of history, ritual sacrifice, national case law, subplots, genealogies, songs, poems, and prophecy.

Such persons may find that they had unrealistic expectations of a Book that was written, one scroll at a time, by at least 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years.

Yet what some find difficult others discover worth the effort. Many have found that all of the Bible comes alive once we learn from Jesus himself to connect the dots between him and all of the Scriptures that were written before and after his life, death, and resurrection (Luke 24:10: Luke 24:27).

This is why I’m increasingly  fascinated with the New Testament essay to the Hebrews. Together with Jesus’ own words, the letter to the Hebrews shows what happens when we read the Bible as a story fulfilled in Christ.

Without Jesus, the Living Word of God, the Genesis account of an almighty Creator of the universe would seem far too great to relate to personally. Without Jesus,  the history of a chosen nation for the sake of all would seem like an utter failure. Without Jesus a code of moral and spiritual law would make us little more than lawbreakers and/or hypocrites. Without him, all the promises of a great deliverer would sound like myth. Without a real crucified and resurrected Jesus, the Scriptures written to honor him would be lies. Without him, we’d all be lost and without hope.

No matter how tough the read, once we see the realism of the Bible it does  become the Book of books and greatest story ever told. By the time it’s done, every courageous, and true, good, redemptive person, act, or idea ends up being fulfilled in Jesus. Every rotten, twisted, self-centered, exploitive act helps to tell the story of why he so lovingly died for us.

 

 


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  1. Mart De Haan says:

    Maru seems to have been writing on the previous post as I was reflowing it. So am copying forward what he wrote to the last post:

    Submitted on 2012/11/29 at 5:58 am

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    The appearance of our resurrected Lord Jesus Christ utterly transformed the lives of those who saw, heard and learned from him those weeks he remained among them. His command to remain in Jerusalem and his promise recorded by Luke still guide us: “you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit, not many days from now.’” (Acts 1:4)

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Today we are as they were– in the middle of the drama of the universe, knowing more than those who went before us, but still not able to see clearly what lies ahead.”

    The process of discernment we are called to, continues to be shaped by what was given in the last few days before Jesus ascended. When Jesus gathered his disciples, they asked him a seemingly superficial question: “Lord, is it at this time you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” (v 6)

    Jesus tells them “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by his own authority…” (v 7) So it is with us. We do not see at the moment the scope of God’s working in history and in people movements. As with the disciples, we often ask how we will see favor or benefit from the Lord. The gift given by the resurrected Lord Jesus and by the Father puts us in the flow of the Lord’s will: “…but you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.” (v 8)

    It seems to me the discernment of those who truly seek to follow Jesus is guided by prayer, the shaping of the Word – and unity in action that tests and proves (or disproves) our discernment. It is our God who determines outcomes. We see this again and again in the Scriptural story of God with his people.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  2. SFDBWV says:

    When a missionary finds a remote people hidden from the knowledge and activity of this modern world, how is the Gospel presented? How then is the Gospel accepted?

    There is something supernatural that occurs between hearing the good news and accepting it.

    Mart continues to seek approval of the credibility of the Bible from people who look at it without faith in it.

    Kingdomkid7 understood my comments and expressed them very eloquently as to how I view those educated by the world and their view of all of the stories found in the Bible.

    Thank you Kingdomkid7.

    My own view (which is what Mart asks of any of us) is that we are given a gift. Somewhat out of sequence of importance, this gift is the Bible. Compiled thousands of years ago it addresses the story of God and man.

    A story that is not finished, a story that built a crescendo that climaxed with the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, creating a new beginning of grace and peace between God and man that continues to this day, but has an end.

    Why do any of us believe the Bible?

    Is it because of the way it is written or how it presents itself? Can any of you honestly say you believe the Bible based only on the intellectual process of reason?

    I accept the Bible and all it says because I know it to be true. How do I know it to be true? Because the Holy Spirit in me confirms it to be so. I do not seek nor do I need earthly tangible proof, the proof is in my heart.

    I said that the Bible is a gift; it is, inspired by the Holy Spirit and written by men God used to do so, put together for our benefit and use over a long period of time by men whom God used in order to do so. The Bible, like everything God does uses people in order to accomplish His goals.

    When the end comes, and it will, the world will have no excuse for its sins and its rejection of Jesus of Nazareth to be Messiah and of the written Word of God. Because the world has the Bible as an indictment against it.

    The Hebrew people played out this same scene when Moses came down from the mountain with the 10 commandments and again when they rejected God for an earthly king and finally when they rejected Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. They too had the written Word of God and rejected it for the lure of the world.

    Steve

  3. tracey5tgbtg says:

    A few days ago, Fadingman commented that the Bible is about God and that the people, nations, events etc. are a backdrop for God’s glory. (Please correct me if I’ve misunderstood your point) That is the truest statement in my opinion. I read the Bible to hear God’s voice.

    I can’t seem to find adequate words to explain how it is the Holy Spirit who gives me understanding and insight when reading the Bible. The Scriptures are living and breathing. They apply to my life and even to the depths of my soul.

    When I read of Peter, who betrayed Jesus, (whom Peter loved deeply) I see so many aspects. I see myself, who could actually do something that low out of fear. I see Jesus who forgave Peter. Could I forgive a trusted friend who turned his/her back on me at such a point? Even though I myself am capable of doing such a thing? That is why such accounts are put forth, not because they show sins and failings, but because they show God’s glory.

    Repeatedly, we see the failures of people in the Bible in order to understand the depth of God’s mercy and forgiveness. We see the grace we receive even though we do not deserve it. No one could deserve it.

    Do the fallacies of the people in Scripture point to the authenticity of Scripture. Yes, I suppose they do. But it is only the Holy Spirit who truly speaks to the reader if they have opened their heart to listen.

  4. BruceC says:

    Good morning all! Things happen fast in this world. When I first came on the only post was Maru’s that Mart put up. By the time I logged on Steve’s was there also. So I guess Steve and I are at the computer at the same time on the same website. Wow! That’s neat.

    Anyway, the first part of your post Mart caught my eye. About all the dirty laundry of those characters in the Word. All but One. He is the only perfect One. If any other in the Bible had obtained perfection it would have had to be done by their own strength and works, and that would have conveyed the message that we do not need a Saviour. A perfect Lamb without blemish to die for our sins. But we know we do and the Bible tells us so and shows us so by those flawed characters and heroes. So they all point to our need, and the Word points to the One, and only One who can supply that need. I believe the Word; like Steve said, because I know in my heart that it is true. And it is in my heart because the Holy Spirit is there to testify to the truth.
    And the Holy Spirit drew me to Christ when I was saved and that is further proof. And it was that same Word that convicted me of my sin and of my need for Jesus Christ.
    When I was a young boy I knew in my heart that the Holy Bible was true. I just knew it. I don’t really know how to put that into words. I just knew.
    Thank you Lord for your undeserved mercy and for showing yourself to me while I was young, and for sending others to water the seed. And thank you for the sacrifice of your Son on the cross for me; the undeserving.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  5. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… 2B?
    Are we in for 24 more tags on this one topic?
    I hope so! :)

    2B or not too be connected to the word in the Spirit, is the whole premise on what one gets out of any bible reading. If the words are not illuminated by the Spirit living in you, than you are just reading by a rote or worldly endeavor, likened to achieving the goal of having said, I finally read it all.

    That goal can really be achieved by any worldly reader.

    Words on a page, page after page, from beginning to end, “Boom your done!”

    But, if you are led by the Spirit, those same words take on a new life in every reading as He presents His meaning specifically for your point of need.

    Then, the reading goes from a rote expression of accomplishment into changing your perspective about who you are and who God is, and the most learned dictionary meanings alone will never accomplish that.

    Attending a meeting of bible scholars and teachers can never accomplish that which must come from your personal relationship with the Spirit of Christ that lives in you, your only real hope of any lasting change.

    I look at all my reading in the bible, whether a simple verse at a time or in full chapters, even entire books at one clip as a guided tour into a pasture land of green pasture already
    prepared for me to sit beside the still water, or be able see that water as it flows from His mountain top through any valley of despair brought on by outward worldly circumstance.

    That water is God’s overflowing grace and passion always bringing in a fresh supply to quench my thirst for more of Him, as it waters all the worldly that need it to survive, but do not know now form where it comes, or goes.
    IMHO Gary

  6. oneg2dblu says:

    1500 years may not have just passed by, but in the last few moments, several of us were writing in one accord.
    To God be the Glory! Gary

  7. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    Thanks for holding our feet to the fire of Scriptural holiness, Mart! When we are in the midst of reading a strong word by one of the prophets, we may wish to “tune out” and say, “Man, those ancients sure were sinful and selfish!” But, the Bible is preserved these long millennia so that the “soap and water” and the refining fire of God’s Word can have a change-effect upon us – upon national leaders – upon those in the prisons – upon faithful and hypocrite alike. It still washes; it still refines.

    eg: The prophet Jeremiah pleads for his people – knowing the Lord intends to destroy Jerusalem on account of its rebellion and idolatry. God says: “Roam to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and look now, and take note. And seek in her open squares, if there is one who does justice, who seeks truth, and although they say, ‘As the Lord lives,’ surely they swear falsely.” (Jeremiah 5:1-2) Jeremiah cries out to God for the preservation of the people, but this is what he hears from the Lord: “Why should I pardon you? Your sons have forsaken me and sworn by those who are not gods…Shall I not punish these people, declares the Lord, and on a nation such as this shall I not avenge myself?” (vv 7 & 9)

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Without Jesus a code of moral and spiritual law would make us little more than lawbreakers and/or hypocrites.” This is because we are incapable of keeping the whole Law in our own power.

    Christ is the man who lived a sinless life walking on the same earth we walk on. Jesus not only kept God’s law in a radical way, but he also became radically obedient to the Father’s command to become the last blood sacrifice ever for the sins of all peoples. He offers us again and again his own resurrection from death and corruption to live (even) the life he is now living at the right hand of the Father.

    Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17) No one can do what he has done! He is the greatest gift in the universe: imparting the righteousness we cannot otherwise obtain.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  8. poohpity says:

    When you know the bible it is easy to tell those who have never heard what you have experienced and especially handy when sharing the Gospel.

    Just a Paul sat and listened to those on Mars Hill before he told them about the Honor they paid to the “Unknown God” but did not know Him then he shared what he knew. It was 3 years after his conversion spending time with just the Lord and knowing the OT due to His being a Pharisee that all was put together for him to tell the Good News.

    Before going to Africa we learned about the people and upon arrival I just sat and watched, listened and learned. Then when it was time to share I told them the creation story because there they sat in the middle of all that splendor. Then about how the people were crying out to God to save them and compared that to how they had been crying out for help and God sent Moses just as He had sent us to them to help. Next I explained how God had sent the manna once a day to feed the people just like they were receiving one hot meal a day. Then told of how God came in the form of man born in a straw manger just like they had beds of straw. When asked if they ever did anything wrong so many hands went up and then we all shared through an interpreter how we do things wrong all the time but trusted in God to forgive us and explain what happened on the Cross.

    For them to realize that we all share the same things the bible teaches about good, bad and ugly they could relate just as we relate to all the stories in scripture regarding a fallen nature. Pastors were taught of their people who learned to read so they could read the bible to them. Unlike us who have radio, computers, TV and all kinds of noise to detract many from reading the bible they yearned to hear what was in those pages.

    Reading the bible is a taunting task but as one reads a little bit at a time the task is not so big. In our culture years ago when there were not all the things to distract us reading the bible around the family table was common practice that was fought for by those who first came over from Europe but now just gathers dust or is used for a battle of thoughts and human reasoning. It starts to become just as important as brushing your teeth every morning before the day begins.

    If it is considered the greatest story ever told and especially to the Christian community, I do not understand why more leave the task of reading it to others like pastors, teachers and listening to them rather than finding out things on their own?

    To me it has helped make sense of all the things that seem so senseless and opens our eyes to much much more than what we just see with our worldly eyes.

  9. poohpity says:

    In the Hebrews the writers/writer or he/she states that God said. “”But”, God says, “I was very angry with them (those in the desert), for their HEARTS were always looking somewhere else instead of up to me, and they never found the path I wanted them to follow.”” It would seem that we now look also somewhere else rather than the bible for the path that God wants us to follow. Hebrews 3:10 NLT. How does one know if they are hearing from God if they do not have the word filling their minds and hearts. Does it really mean that we believe the Word is credible when we do not put the time into reading it?

    Paul spent a majority of his time writing to the churches from prison to dispel the inaccuracy of many false teachers yet today the same things are happening yet if one does not know how can we make sure it does not happen in our life. The only way it seems to me is to have the word so familiar to us when any given circumstance happens we have God’s word to come pouring out of us.

  10. Mart De Haan says:

    Seems to me that reason can be used either with arrogance or humility; to pursue reason to trust God or to live independently from him; to help those who are struggling in doubt, or to shake persons of faith; to impress or to love; to put faith and reason together, or to separate them.

  11. Mart De Haan says:

    Similarly, seems to me that we can claim assurance of the Holy Spirit either to affirm God’s words and ways, or to defend our own inclinations; to help others see that they don’t have to pursue truth on their own, or to create a safe island for our own beliefs; to support an understanding of the Scriptures that can stand the test of context, or to defend a view of Scripture that claims no need of support.

    Am guessing we’d agree that there is no more virtue in faith without reason than there is in reason without truth-based faith.

  12. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart & Friends —

    Even those who hold Scripture at arm’s length exert some degree of truth-based faith as they put their feet on the floor in the morning — eat and drink from earthly sources — get into a motor vehicle or much more so airplanes, helicopters and motorcycles.

    Incredibly, folks who insist that being/living is only a brain-function receive huge measures of God’s grace upon their lives — in fact arguably more grace than those who acknowledge the Creator God and his revealed truth, the Bible. Thier very faith in the created order is hidden from their hearts (souls, spirits if you will).

    God is calling us all to put our faith and trust in him, in my opinion.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  13. poohpity says:

    Steve, I guess I never even gave reason a thought when I started reading the bible. It was because all my life when I went to church on and off they taught from it, the Lord put the desire in my heart and I listened.

  14. castaway says:

    If I may, I want to add to what I feel Mart and Pooh have stated…

    The Bible is the ultimate authority of the Christian, practically speaking; therefore, our first principle, our starting point, or the foundation of our thinking, should be the Bible itself. This may be expressed by any proposition that represents all the contents of the Bible, such as “The Bible is truth” or “The Bible is the word of God.”

    Although historians and critics have used empirical, inductive, and scientific arguments in apparent support of biblical revelation, and although they seem to be forceful weapons given what some think is the “strength” of the empirical assumptions, so that no reasonable unbeliever can refute them, the Christian must regard these arguments as unreliable because all empirical, inductive, and scientific methods are often irrational and may prevent the discovery of truth.

    In addition, if we were to depend on empirical arguments and scientific methods to justify the Bible, the empirical assumptions would then stand as judge over the very word of God, so that Scripture would no longer be the ultimate authority in our belief system. We see this almost daily from the televangelists who “have a new word” for us because of something they “sensed in their spirit while deep in prayer.”

    As Hebrews 6:13 says, “When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, He swore by Himself.” Since God possesses ultimate authority, there is no higher authority by which one may pronounce the Bible as infallible and inerrant.

    Since this is God’s universe, only his interpretation about anything is the only correct one, and He has revealed His thoughts in the words of the Bible. It follows that an ignorance of the Bible means that a person’s interpretation of every subject, every thought, and every opinion across the board as it were, will lack the defining factor that puts it into the proper perspective.

  15. His Sparrow says:

    Hi Y’all

    I’m in on the topic but…

    I’m stuck at the opening using the phrase “dirty laundry.”
    So I gotta think about it some more.

    Love
    His Sparrow

  16. Dusty-B says:

    I remember a story told by Rebecca Pippert. God wanted her to do something for Him. She expressed her inadequacy and said she was just a broken pot of clay. God told her that was OK because the cracks are where His light shines through.

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