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3- Unusual Facts About the Bible

Here’s another fact about the Bible that turns out different than it begins.

There aren’t many clear predictions of Jesus in the Jewish Scriptures. We’ve talked in the past about how followers of Christ have  claimed more than 300 prophecies fulfilled in him.

Yet on closer look, only a few are clear predictions in their original settings. Not many are as obvious as that of the prophet Micah who predicted that a mysteriously ancient ruler would come out of the small town of Bethlehem to establish a lasting kingdom (Micah 5:1-5). Most of the Old Testament passages that are said to be fulfilled in Jesus are embedded in the history of the kings, priests, prophets, and symbolic worship of the people of Israel (i.e. Psalm 22:1; Psalm 22:16-18).

This, however, is where I end up finding such a compelling case for Christ. What seems so eye-opening is that, far more than fulfilling a few specific predictions, Jesus comes into the world as the Living Word who gives fulness of meaning to all words written before and after him.

This is why in the last post I referred to the New Testament letter to the Hebrews that shows how Jesus gives life and meaning to converging foreshadowings of mysterious texts, laws, sacrifices, and temple worship.

Without Jesus, the Genesis account of an almighty Creator would seem far too great to relate to. Without Jesus,  the history of one nation chosen for the sake of all would seem like an utter failure. Without Jesus a code of moral and spiritual law would make us little more than lawbreakers and/or hypocrites. Without him, all the promises of a great deliverer would sound like myth. Without a real crucified and resurrected Jesus, the New Testament record of eyewitnesses would be lies–for which many who claimed them willingly died. Without the light that he brings to the Scriptures and the darkness of our own hearts, we’d all be lost and without hope.

No matter how tough the read, once we see how all of the Bible works together to tell the story of Jesus,  it  does become the Book of books and greatest story ever told. By the time it’s done, every courageous, true, good, redemptive event, or noble idea ends up being fulfilled in one who assured us that he was showing us the heart of his Father. Every rotten, twisted, self-centered, exploitive act helps to tell the story of why he willingly and lovingly died for us.


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Ok let me begin at the beginning. Who is it we as Christians are attempting to convince that the Bible is *real*, *true*, *accurate* an actual accounting of real people and of God?

    We live in a world filled with religions as well as those who say they have an open mind but need *solid* proof as well as those who keep a closed mind and just won’t budge no matter what evidences are given.

    In an intellectual discussion amongst a diverse group of people Christians more often will refer to Bible stories or quotes to explain or give foundation to their apologetics. Where upon they are then criticized for giving evidence from a source the remainder of the group either do not believe has merit or are biased against.

    In such a group of *deep thinkers* apart from the sciences, the argument can be made that our Bible gives an unflattering (dirty laundry) account of its main characters as well as show their noble purpose for being in the story line at all.

    In a discussion with open minded unbelievers from a reasonable point of view they may agree that such an accounting of showing the negative side of the books characters along with their positive side can make the book more believable or at least the character more believable, something I am sure is taught in how to write good literature.

    However in a discussion amongst agnostics who want to see evidence before they can believe, they base their acceptance of anything on what they have considered as the last word on any subject.

    To such people basing acceptance and belief in the Bible is *unreasonable* thinking.

    Now entering into the sciences we also have the same diverse groups of people, but a truly scientific mind is always looking for understanding the subject fully, which is why the more they learn the more they have to investigate as the subject just deepens with understanding.

    To such a person to quote Genesis to them in referring to a six day creation, they may say, well it is true that everything that exists had a beginning, but it is unreasonable to believe that it all happened in just six earth days.

    Evolution has its base in *not* believing the Genesis account of creation, not believing the Genesis account is not believing the Bible and not believing the Bible is not accepting God’s Word.

    That line of thinking is reasonable to me.

    Where do I get faith and to what is it based upon?

    It is a gift from God that I received upon hearing His Word and believing it.

    If I were to rely on reason as a way of accepting the Bible, then piece by piece I would have to dissect every story of scripture and see how it measured up to what made sense in the world I understand, leaving unanswered gaps all over the book.

    Having faith without proofs may seem unreasonable to some heavy thinkers. So if we are attempting to present the Bible to heavy thinkers it has to come from a supernatural transference of understanding, we present the story of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit takes it from there, it will either take root in good soil or wither and die on a stony heart.

    Enough!

    Steve

  2. Mart De Haan says:

    Good morning, Steve,
    One issue is how do people change deeply rooted assumptions that dismiss the Bible? As you explain so well, that requires the gift of God.

    Another question is what is the truth about the Bible? Still more: What is our honest experience with it? How can we be real with one another– and with those who have not yet accepted it– about our own questions and thought process?

    In the word picture of agriculture, we work the ground, plant, water, weed, and wait for what we cannot do. It is only God who gives the increase. That’s his gift of life and provision.

    But in that analogy there is God’s part and ours’ as enabled by him.

    These posts reflect my thought that it our care and concern for others, both inside and outside of the faith, that would prompt us to acknowledge the way we see the Bible pointing to our only hope.

    I’m working with the assumption that those outside of Christ are not the only one’s who are endangered by caricatures and misrepresentations of the Bible. Way too many have ended up in a wreckage of faith after being told things about the Bible that don’t end up being true.

  3. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… Who is it we Christians are attempting to show that the bible is real?
    First I would say, it is our newly awakened self, because it all started with the gift we received by the unknown, not really believed in, and natural enemy of all sinful man, God himself.
    We must first believe enough to receive, and that takes some explaining within our own being.
    Now we know that God waited for the point of need is us to reveal in us who He really is.

    We ask ourselves, what has just happened to me?

    Why do I now see so differently with the very same eyes I had before?

    Why are the words of the bible now so real and compelling to me?

    Why was I chosen for this gifting?

    We find it was all God’s Will.

    Then, when that is settled within us, His now irrefutable presence overflows and allows us to want to explain it to others who are now saying, what is wrong with you?
    That answer lies as hidden to them as it was to us, for until the gift was freely given and received, we were blind as well.

    Empty, lonely, guilty, and afraid of death, became the default position of all mankind, since the moment Satan used his deceptive wiles upon the inhabitants of the Garden, as they both received it thinking it was a gift of greater knowledge.

    Today all the world still gives us a much greater deceptive knowledge to carry us away from God, but only God can save us from allowing that knowledge to continue to deceive us.
    That is where real becomes real, and knowledge through God’s Helper, gives us His discernment.

    “Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
    It is the knowing the difference between right and almost right.”
    Charles H. Spurgeon

    Worldly knowledge is growing even more rapidly today and has shown us almost all things, all things that is, that are almost right!

    In this world of the ever greater knowledge seekers we have today, we only lack a few things, God’s divinely revealed plan, and His will for each any every believer…
    that is found only in receiving the gift of knowledge that only God can give.

    Gary

  4. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    The people we are trying to truly convince are folks that are just as we were at one time. Also I sort of disagree with what you stated about the scientific mind. It is true that a “truly” scientific mind always looks for the answer; but today there is a tendency to look for what they consider to be true as it relates to evolution. That theory is considered fact by so many that all results must reflect this belief.
    The odd thing about these researchers is that they accept the “Big Bang Theory” that all the material in existence came into being instantly; but yet cannot explain where it all came from. Then they lie to themselves and say that it came from nothing: knowing full well that this violates basic laws of physics; that something cannot come from nothing. And yet when confronted with “faith” they scoff; all the while exercising it themselves to an even greater degree than born-again Christians.
    I think the one part of the equation that many of these people cannot deal with or have a hard time doing so is God’s indescribable love. Love is where the truth and strength lie. As Paul said; without love we are nothing.
    In my opinion, many people today are afraid of love, don’t know what real love is, or have been deeply hurt by someone that “loved” them. (Like an abusive parent)
    The truth of the matter is really not why they don’t believe but that we have been told that most will not; ie: the wide path. I always wonder just how much time we should spend trying to convince one person or group. Or should we lovingly plant the seed and leave it to God? Just wondering.
    At what point do shake dust from our feet or stop throwing “pearls to swine” to be trampled underfoot?

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  5. poohpity says:

    I agree Mart, that those inside the faith because of wrong teaching loose their faith as well. They listen to promises that are really not made from those who pick and chose which scripture application they deem necessary to fit a moment. They play to peoples emotion and the fact that basic bible knowledge is not there. Especially to those who yearn for a healing, prosperity and quick fixes. They leave the faith disappointed, confused and discontented when they find out God is not a mythical creature that moves and acts to our wills.

  6. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    It seems to me the arguments over which Scriptures foretold the events of the life of Jesus of Nazareth have not changed much among those who oppose the fact that he is the Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, Branch to spring up for David…Those who have a vested interest in blocking the growth of this faith continue to speak with the same basic motivations.

    Even the working people of Galilee, who loved the Scriptures they knew but were not experts in Torah and the other parts of the Hebrew Bible, saw the connections. And, those magi from the East had put together the story for themselves quite remotely from all the political and social turmoil of Palestine.

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Without a real crucified and resurrected Jesus, the New Testament record of eyewitnesses would be lies–for which many who claimed them willingly died.”

    That’s the most compelling evidence of all. There were false messiahs popping up all over the country, and the unrest and Zealot rebellion was growing year by year after 33 AD. Why would these eyewitnesses of Jesus’ life-work, death, resurrection and ascension choose this Messiah to be their Savior? How could their passion take them all over the known world spreading the Good News – if that news were not true? They were not lukewarm, they were white-hot with faith and devotion to the Messiah for the whole world!

    The phenomenon of hearts fully devoted to Jesus Christ still persists! Look at the pastors of China, Indonesia, Viet Nam or Korea. Look at Billy Graham on his 94th birthday. Real people choose a real story to commit their lives to, it seems to me.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  7. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    Mart, you wrote: “Another question is what is the truth about the Bible? Still more: What is our honest experience with it? How can we be real with one another– and with those who have not yet accepted it– about our own questions and thought process? “

    This question requires our careful attention, in my opinion. Honesty is vital, for to share the Word of God is to share ultimate things. Personal testimony is always welcome, it seems to me. There, the Holy Spirit has his way, without human meddling of any kind, so long as the testimony is honest.

    Steve, you posited exhaustive examination of Scripture. You wrote in part: “…piece by piece I would have to dissect every story of scripture and see how it measured up…” Not a bad beginning to being steeped in Scripture.

    Teaching and expounding or preaching must be chained to the Word of God. The letter of James reminds us all: “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgment.” (James 3:1) Paul told young Timothy: “You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them; and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you wisdom that leads through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (2 Timothy 3:14, 15)

    Both Paul and James were deeply aware of the whole Scripture. So must be any Christian who hopes to do what Timothy did under Paul’s mentoring. The advice Paul gives Timothy in 2 Timothy 2 is sound for anyone today. The reminder: “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth.” (v 15)

    Blessings always,
    Maru

  8. poohpity says:

    Mart, I had not ever thought about how the Jewish people think regarding the OT prophesies without the Light. I was thinking about Isaiah 11:1-5; Isaiah 12; if they are still waiting on their Messiah they do not see Jesus in the multitude of scripture. Just a few are Isaiah 52:13-15; 53:3,5-10; etc. Only Jesus can give light and meaning to scripture.

  9. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, May I ask what is your hope?

    All of us have a desire, is desire and hope the same thing?

    To quote the base and unarticulated among us, “What’s in it for me?”

    To what benefit is it for any one of us to become Christian?

    Is it because after spending a miserable existence here for the length of our lives, we believe that our conscious being continues to exist after we die and by so believing we want to be able to be happy for ever? Or so we can avoid eternal torment?

    Or is it because we want to live a life here and now that conforms to what the God of the Bible has outlined as the way He wants for us to live?

    Clearly the people given as example in the Bible failed to live up to the standards God outlined and so why would we be any different?

    Because you and I can say we see that all throughout scripture from Genesis to Revelation the whole story is about Jesus of Nazareth, using people as characters in the story in order to showcase Him.

    Is it our hope that we can achieve living now and in a supernatural future pleasing to God only because we have Christ in our beings?

    I am in full agreement with your last statement to me; “Way too many have ended up in a wreckage of faith after being told things about the Bible that don’t end up being true.”

    The key to that statement being *told* things about the Bible.

    All cults assume that the people they recruit have not read the Bible themselves and can be swayed by what talented people *tell* them is says.

    The only true relationship between the Bible and me is what I read for myself, and what the Holy Spirit reveals through that relationship.

    That is something I can never impart to another, especially someone who already has a bias against believing what the Bible says. Though I can share what it says and should when the opportunity presents itself to do so.

    In answer to one of your questions “What is our honest experience with it?” (Speaking of the Bible). The Bible has answers as well as comfort, as well as raising questions and sometimes leaving me to continue on only by *faith*.

    Your first question, “What is the truth about the Bible?” seems backwards to me as I see the Bible *as* truth. Then relating that truth to how I live and relate to everything according to it.

    As for how can we be real with one another? That’s easy, by being honest.

    I believe there is a poster on the topic “Does God hate us?” that is as real as one can be.

    Steve

  10. poohpity says:

    It is so easy to say from Genesis to Revelation when we have not experienced what it is to have read it from Genesis to Revelation. To me there is nothing wrong with admitting we have not read it but to lead others to think we have, I would question the authority in that. The questions that arise as we read and experience the bible show that we have so much left to learn but to speak as an authority on something we do not know, what does that say about how open, honest and real we are?

  11. poohpity says:

    Did not get a chance to read your post Steve before I posted mine. The commenter on the post you suggest does not know God yet so they question the love of God but what about those who do know and still question His love?

  12. foreverblessed says:

    I live in a very secularised society, hardly anybody takes the bible for real.
    To me it is no issue at all to prove the bible is true, my issue is to show that Jesus is true, and not particularly by saying anything, but by the life I live.
    Isn’t it also better to build your faith on Jesus Christ, much more then on the bible, that so when there is something in the bible that is different then what you thought it was, you would lose your faith altogether. Say, for instance, that it is proven that the earth is much older then 6000 years, then a lot of people would lose their faith in the bible, and so also start to believe Jesus is not real, and has not rescued us from death to bring us in the Light of His kingdom. Of which I do not understand that at all, why lose your faith in Jesus, when not all in the bible is so clear. Isn’t the big point of the bible that God loves the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son that whoso believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life,John 3:16

  13. poohpity says:

    I know God loved Paul because of the revelation of Himself to Paul yet God did not stop the beatings with rods or whips, being stoned, ship wrecked, imprisoned and then on top of that the thorn (which was translated literally means a sharp stake used for torture) was not removed but God told him 2 Cor 12:9. So even when our prayers are not answered the way we want that does not mean we are not loved by God but God shows His love by turning the awfulness into joy, peace, dependence and trust.

  14. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, to you feel God loves you any less because your migraines are not removed?

  15. BruceC says:

    Foreverblessed has a good point. Part of the “convincing” of those that do not believe is how we live before them. And although faith comes by hearing; and hearing by the Word of God that faith as he stated must be in Christ. If so, even years of believing a false doctrine founded upon Scripture taken of context or in error we can still hold onto our faith in Christ. I have seen some leave a church and never come back because the doctrine was in error. But Christ is not and neither is His Word about salvation.
    But again the recurring theme through the Bible is Christ and it is so because of God’s love for us. What God has done He has done out of love.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  16. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, no I do not feel that. I believe that all that happens to me God is with me, I also believe that we are tested in our faith, just as Job was, then when things are going bad, we still hold on to our faith in God. Yes, I feel loved because my sins are forgiven, I can be free from quilt, forgiven, I feel very loved, very thankful for all that Jesus has done for us, He carried all our sins, all our worries, all our misfortunes on the cross, and died for us, and He rose again to Life, and now lives in all those who believe in His name. He is alive, and so am I, no matter what the circumstances are. But it is getting better, it is only a headache now, so it is fading. I have learned so much by having had it, so much quiet time, there is not much you can do, other then seeking the face of God, learning to sing praise to God. Praising God for what He is doing in me, when He waited to deliver me, and so building patience, and firmness of faith, growing in hope.
    Faith is the substance of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
    It is all about Jesus, and Who He is: Love, peace, mercy patience, goodness, and these things should grow in us. Our faith is based on Him. He is the key for understanding the bible. He is the Rock of our Salvation, the source of our life, our only Hope.

  17. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Bruce, isn’t that so, how we live before people, is so important, do we show Jesus in our lives? The same loving forgivingattitude, full of grace and truth, peacemakers, comforting those who are hurting, helping the needy? Christians helping each other, instead of fighting over some doctrine, christians being one in Him, John 18:23 and that is a witness to the world.

  18. castaway says:

    For many Christians, the number one hindrance in in believing Bible and I mean really believing what it says is their respect for or even fear of non-Christian minds and ideas. These Christians have been told, often by the non- Christians themselves, that the non-Christians are the intellectual elite of this world. Even preachers sometimes tell their congregations that non-Christians are highly intelligent, and that many of their ideas are deep and brilliant. So when the typical Christian comes up against a non-Christian in a discussion about the Bible, he often assumes that although the non-Christian is ultimately wrong, this opponent will still present numerous intelligent questions and difficult objections against the Christian faith, and that even if he manages to overcome the non-Christian’s intellectual assault, there will be a hard struggle, and the result will not be clear and decisive. Why is this?

    This false belief about the non-Christian’s intelligence produces a strong mental block in many Christians who want to believe the Bible in its entirety. Many are hindered because they falsely assume that the questions and objections from the non-Christians must be more intelligent than they seem and thus must be more difficult to answer than they appear.

    Read 2 Kings 6; the king of Aram had sent his army to capture Elisha. When the horses and chariots surrounded the prophet and his servant, the servant panicked and asked,

    “Oh, my lord, what shall we do?” Elisha told him, “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them,” and then he prayed, “O LORD, open his eyes so he may see.” “Then the LORD opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha” (see v. 11-17).

    Likewise, divine wisdom and power are on our side (that is, those of us who believe the Bible) but we need to pray for spiritual sight, so that we may perceive the wisdom of God as well as the folly of the non-Christian.

    Preachers who are otherwise sound in doctrine often praise the wisdom of unbelieving men, is this is unbiblical? It seems to me that it is unproductive and unnecessary. Rather, the Bible teaches that all non-Christians are foolish and futile, (even stupid and sinful to use today’s vernacular). At best, their ideas are wise only according to human standards; that is, they appear to be wise only when they approve themselves, and when they judge themselves by their own standards. But from God’s perspective – that is, from the objective, realistic, and biblical perspective – all unbelieving thoughts are irrational and rebellious. Let preachers speak in agreement with Scripture, instead of sending mixed messages to our people that undermine their confidence in the Bible and what it teaches and obscure their spiritual vision.

  19. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, I had no doubts of how you would have answered that question. :-) But there are some people who feel because circumstance are not perfect then God is withholding His love just like some people act when their loved ones do not do as they want they withhold love to manipulate them to do what they want. That is not love to me. I think we base God’s love on what we as human beings say love is.

    Often times there are those who are not Christians that help the needy, are kind, that help others, show compassion, have empathy, do good and have no idea what doctrine even means. Often times I see that more in those who do not claim the name of Jesus.

  20. poohpity says:

    I believe the difference in us is how we handle adversity, disappointment and pain. How we do not return evil for evil, forgiving when others do not deserve our forgiveness, showing mercy and grace when we have been harmed, singing praises when all we have to praise God for is because He is God.

  21. Mart De Haan says:

    Steve, because the Bible tells the story of how to know the Father, Son, and Spirit, my hope is that we can together learn how to read and understand it– to help others.

    If we appeal to knowledge based on “what the Holy Spirit tells me” we might be personalizing knowledge in a way that puts us “above question” by taking an approach to the Bible that reduces it to, as you say, “the question of the base”– what’s in it for me?

    While we do ultimately need to develop our own convictions (for our own faith, comfort, and hope), the Bible, should be able to help us find unity in what convictions are necessary, most sure, and true to our God and our ability to show wisdom and love for one another.

    Hope that doesn’t misunderstand or misrepresent your question about my hope.

  22. Mart De Haan says:

    One more thought. I realize, Steve, that your friendly push back was meant to express your complete confidence in what the Bible says, and your suspicion about our need to defend the Bible to those who want no part of it.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    Mart in bold truth I never consider my comments a push back, but rather my honest thoughts. I do however appreciate that you are not offended by what may sometimes seem as a personal pushing back directed towards you.

    Sometimes I am surprised by finding myself suddenly on the defense having to explain my explanations, I do try to avoid misunderstandings but differences of opinions are impossible to avoid.

    I appreciate your patience with me and look forward to sometimes sparing toward the goal of ferreting out the truth we both seek.

    Steve

  24. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Mart – I understand why you mention people who try to prove their point by saying “The Holy Spirit told me…” But I still believe that it is only by the Holy Spirit in me that I can grasp God’s words to me when I read the Bible.

    I don’t mean that when I read the Bible, a passage jumps out and I am struck by its truth and then feel that I am called to force this message down everyone’s throat, believers and unbelievers alike. It is much more of a personal, spiritual matter. Like foreverblessed said, it is how I live my life that will reflect Jesus to others, but reading the Bible and hearing the Spirit tells me how to live my life.

    For instance, Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. This is a way for me to live, not a rule for me to measure others by.

    I was also thinking of Jesus talking to the Samaritan woman in John 4:1-26. The woman asks Jesus where is the real, true “physical” place to go to worship God and Jesus explains to her that it is not a definite place. Worship is spiritual.

    So many are looking for concrete rules that are set in stone so that they will know they are doing a good job of following them. But to me, it is not about following rules laid out, but surrendering my life, my soul to Jesus.

    That is what is so convicting to me – because I know how far I fall short of total surrender to God. If I only had to worry about not killing, not stealing, not lying and not having immoral sex, then I’d be home free.

    Sorry I’m one of the ones guilty of going way off topic.

  25. Mart De Haan says:

    tracey5tgbtg,
    I agree that depending on the Spirit is so important when we read the Bible.

  26. foreverblessed says:

    Amen, Tracey, what a beautiful comment you wrote, surrendering ourselves to Jesus is way beyond keeping the moral laws. Living in His life, today we had the bread an wine, remembering that we are all one in Jesus, by His broken body and blood flown for us. Jesus in God, and we in Jesus, and God in us. ( Mart’s topic a few weeks ago, it still rings in my ears, we are one in Him, and that is also the oneness in the bread and wine).
    I was away for a day, and the topic has moved two steps forward! BUt still letting sink in this message. Have a blessed day full of Grace and peace from God the Father and Jesus His Son.

  27. gaylejean says:

    I’m new here and I believe this is a “good thing” for me! So much I have thought about, but never put into words. Thank you so much, Tracey, for your words on “The Holy Spirit told me.” I sense what you discribed each time I read God’s word, yet if someone else says those VERY words, yes, I fear they will try to “force” their interpretation on me—possibly based on their world view? Then if I do not at least outwardly accept this as truth (or that of their annointed pastor), I am rejecting the Holy Spirit?
    I listen carefully and agree where I can. If a verse comes to mind that I know absolutely contradicts this interpretation (in context), I will offer it.

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