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Like a Snake

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Somewhere in the Bible it implies that Jesus would be treated like a snake, for us. It’s a stunning thought, especially when we think about the fact that Satan is pictured in Genesis and Revelation as the great serpent and deceiver of the world.

Yet Jesus, himself, makes the connection between himself and the snake.  Imagine how confused his disciples must have been when they heard him say, “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

They probably had long forgotten that comment on the night in which Jesus’ prediction came to pass.  As the Teacher shared a last supper with his friends, they probably didn’t even make the connection between himself and the snake when he told them that one of them was going to lift up their heel against him (John 13:18). Looking back now, he seems to have been alluding to what God had predicted way back in the Garden when he said that although the Serpent would strike the heel of a descendant of the woman, that wounded heel would come against the head of the snake (Gen 3:15).

The difference, though, is that in the original prophecy, the heel, though wounded, takes out the snake. Now, during one of the most important holidays of the Jewish calendar, Jesus tells his disciples, as they break bread together, that one of them is going to lift his heel against him, as if he was a snake.

Yet this is exactly the reversal that Jesus seems to have anticipated—when he said that, as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.”

Who could have imagined such a convergence of thoughts—so that the very next words could be, “For God so loved the world…”

Seems to me that the familiarity of John 3:16 finds fresh light when seen in the context of the story that began in Genesis (Gen 3:15), and that rises to life-changing significance in the words immediately before (John 3:14-15)… and after (John 3:17-18).

When circumstances turn against us, it is so easy to wonder if God really loves us. Could there be a better answer in those moments than to remember what he endured as he was made sin… regarded as cursed by God, and treated like a snake on a pole… to give inexpressible meaning to the words, “For God so loved the world, that…

 

 


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  1. bubbles says:

    My heart is full of thankfulness.
    Thank you, Father, for sending your precious Son, Jesus, to die for me. I do not deserve this.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Mart for changing the topic and for this one in particular.

    I have always wrestled with seeing the prophesy in the garden as a clear *vision* of a Savior that would restore all things.

    On the other hand it has always been clear to me regarding the lifting up of the snake on a pole in the wilderness as a reference to Christ on the cross.

    I guessed that God used the symbol of the snake as a reminder to the Israeli of that promise in the garden, and while physically healing them of the snake bites, symbolically was giving prophesy of one who would heal them of the snake *bite* in the garden and the original sin.

    For me only after the event of Jesus’ crucifixion can the event in the wilderness make sense and put an explanation as to the meaning of the prophesy in the garden.

    If you understand my meaning, I can only understand these prophesies in reverse.

    For me I can readily understand why the Disciples may have been confused as well as the multitude of followers of Jesus until His resurrection and the subsequent gift of the Holy Spirit.

    It all makes me wonder how much more prophesy lay hidden in meaning awaiting the hour of its fulfillment and then our understanding of them.

    Steve

  3. BruceC says:

    How wretched I feel from the bite of sin. So low, so unworthy of His love. Yet I believe His Word…that He does love me. That the depth of His love cannot be measured in our terms or mentality. I can hardly even begin to imagine bearing all the sins of all mankind as He did. Yet that is what He did for me….us. What a gift! To be seen as righteous by the Father because I wear the righteousness of the Son!
    I too bubbles do not deserve this; but I too put faith in Christ my Lord. Amazing Grace!!

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  4. BruceC says:

    8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

    When I read this I picture the serpents as the penalty of sin…the sting of death. Then the brass serpent became that death for them and by looking in faith in what God had said they lived. The only question I have is why it was made of brass. There must a significance there. Does the brass signify strength? Hardness? Power? Or did it signify the hardness of man’s heart toward God and his rebellion and sin?

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  5. tracey5tgbtg says:

    God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Corinthians 5:21

    Thanks Mart for this post. What depth of meaning to ponder. It is very thought-provoking that Satan took the form of a serpent in the garden and that it was a serpent that God told Moses to raise on a pole and that Jesus referred to himself as being lifted up as the serpent was.

    Dare I say He made atonement for every evil, absolutely every evil thing. I keep hearing the phrase that Corrie ten Boom’s sister said to Corrie and was mentioned in “The Hiding Place” (I think) “There is no pit so deep that He cannot go deeper still.”

    Again I say, “Amazing love, how can it be, that You my King should die for me?”

  6. fadingman says:

    Later on, the same brass snake became a stumbling block to Israel when they idolized it. Perhaps the people thought the power to save was in the image of the snake, rather than in God who gave the image as a way to trust in Himself for salvation. Michael Card compares that to how some idolize the cross in his song Lift Up The Suffering Servant.

    Andrew

  7. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    The emblem of the caduceus illustrated in your post, Mart, has become one of the recognizable symbols of healing all over the world in our time. We cheerfully recite the beautiful words of Jesus to Nicodemus – “For God so loved the world…” perhaps forgetting that the reference to healing two verses before.

    The tree of life in the midst of Eden (Genesis 3:22, 23), as well the tree at the river of life in the New Jerusalem are both “for the healing of the nations.” (Revelation 22:2)

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Seems to me that the familiarity of John 3:16 finds fresh light when seen in the context of the story that began in Genesis (Gen 3:15), and that rises to life-changing significance in the words immediately before (John 3:14-15)… and after (John 3:17-18).”

    The latter half of the third chapter of John’s Gospel is intended to give the dear old Pharisee, Nicodemus and the readers, so much overload of Scriptural allusion to God’s sovereignty (as above, so below – John 3:31-36) that we stop asserting our own – turn to him without pretense – and believe that there is only one way to healing and wholeness and restoration and deliverance: gazing at the Son of God raised up on a tree like a snake in the midst of the plague of snakes.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  8. BruceC says:

    I am not sure but I think the quote from Corrie Ten Boom
    is “There is no pit so deep that His love is not deeper still”. I could be wrong. I will search it when I come back from town. Got errands to run.

    God bless all!

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  9. cherielyn says:

    BruceC – You questioned the serpent (snake) was made of brass?

    I have a couple theories, although they may not be the reason why God told Moses to make the serpent of brass.

    Brass (because of its copper content) has been known, for centuries, to be a natural disinfectant (germicidal/antimicrobial). Could this possibly be the reason for using brass? Looking upon the brass serpent may have been symbolic of cleansing from sins?

    Brass is also corrosion resistant. Perhaps it needed to last a long time without deteriorating?

    Just my thoughts.

  10. poohpity says:

    Learning something new everyday! Clinging to the things I already knew as my eyes look up to the greatest love ever shown by the only One where healing can be found. Thank you Jesus for loving me before I ever even thought about you. Showing a love that is all about who You are while understanding who I am. I am eternally grateful and amazed.

  11. swwagner says:

    tracey5tgbtg
    My thoughts exactly…2 Corinthians 5:21 is right on.

  12. swwagner says:

    It seems odd that God would use the serpent image to picture salvation…it seems more ugly than angelic. However, for me, this is one more proof that the Bible is inspired and not written by man.
    Man would have salvation depicted as an empty (but pretty) ceremony acknowledging God is supreme where we say a few pious prayers and sing some nice songs.

    In reality, the cost of salvation was horrific, brutal, and soul wrenching. The Holy One of heaven took on the identity of sin in order to defeat it…without the sacrifice of Christ, we are without hope!

    Praise Him! Praise Him! Tell of His excellent greatness!

  13. remarutho says:

    Evening All–

    Have had the image of the snake (Numbers 21:8) in mind today as I have gone about my doings. Also, at prayer this morning, a fellow Christian declared that we bear a brass shield with leather stretched over it — soaked in water before battle so as to “quench all the flaming arrows of the evil one.” (Ephesians 6:16) Strange and exotic emblems of God’s protection in the midst of trials!

    In that “twinkling of an eye” the apostle Paul speaks of, “we will be changed.” These spiritual things reveal the truth that the Lord overcomes sin here and now. “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” (Isaiah 25:7,8 & 1 Corinthians 15:54, 55)

    Mysterious but wonderful: “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting? The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Blessings,
    Maru

  14. SFDBWV says:

    One of my favorite spiritual songs is “Wayfaring Stranger”, a beautiful combination of words and music that makes a statement.

    It is to be remembered that while in the wilderness the people came upon poisonous snakes, special attention to the fact that God did not remove the snakes; the people had to live among them.

    Also it is noted that God didn’t close the mouths of the snakes, people were still bitten.

    Not recorded is the question of whether or not some refused to look upon the image of the snake and their subsequent death.

    Life here in this world can sometimes seem as if we are still in that wilderness dealing with all the trials and tribulation of being in such a harsh and heartless place; our only hope found in the promise of a better place, a more pleasant existence, a happier time by trusting it to the One lifted up to save us from the wilderness.

    As I write this morning 6 people are reported dead from tornado activity in Texas last night and 250 left homeless.

    My heart aches for that promised time when there are no more snake bites and we are able to live in that promise found in the words and act of Jesus of Nazareth finally safe from the trials and tribulation of this wilderness.

    Steve

  15. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    My brother; you are not alone in that heartache and longing for the promised time ahead when Christ returns and rules and we are with Him. The news the last several weeks has made me think much about that and also about the many that have not looked to Christ for forgiveness and salvation.
    Lots of snakebites out there. I pray more will look to the only One who can save them from the poison.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  16. fadingman says:

    It might be interesting to study in how many ways Jesus was made a curse for us.

    The snake was cursed above all living creatures (Genesis 3:14).

    The thorns that were pressed on His head were a sign of a curse (Genesis 3:18).

    Those hung on a tree were cursed (Galatians 3:13).

    Yet, God turned the curse into a blessing!

  17. poohpity says:

    This group of folks that were lead out of the oppression of Egypt with miracle upon miracle seemed to grumbled and complained about the things they did not have rather than being grateful for all they did have. God was their shield of protection, provided guidance with a cloud to protect from the sun of the desert in the day and fire by night, gave them the food angels ate, water from rocks, Moses who communicated directly with God and when asked provided meat. They did not learn if they needed something ask and God would provide.

    They seemed to forget the miracles God did for them, they demanded more from God than what He had provided, their repentance was just words without sincerity of heart and they were ungrateful. God sent snakes, to me it seems to say matters could and would be worse. The snakes bite so it was a snake that was lifted on the pole to cast their eyes on but they could have had God. Humans have the bite of sin so it was a human that was raised on the pole to gaze at both were the salvation from the consequences of rebellion against God.

    I think on a whole I can look around and find so much to complain and grumble about but then I miss all the things that God has provided, the miracles he has done in my life, the joy of being able to communicate with the God of all creation who is still my provider, defender and shield, if I see. I hope it does not take the bite of a snake, an illness or anything else to bring me to my senses to turn and look at all there is to be grateful for from the hand of God.

    He even warned me that there will be all kinds of trials, suffering and troubles but has promised that I would not be left to face it all alone and it all can be used to help others as they go through those things as well. “God so loved the people of the world”.

  18. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning… although all snake bites can bite, all are not poisonous.
    Most can still have their sting and many may brinhg a sudden terror upon the bitten. But, not all lead to death.
    Similar to our sins in many ways, not all lead to death.
    Like the wise warnings about sins, we all should categorize our snakes by which are deadly and which are not, and we had better head to the warnings as we should, and legitimately fear the one’s that are deadly to us.
    I personally have never had fear of snakes for I certainly befriended and played with them, but some people never overcome that fear and to them only a dead snake is to be trusted.
    My father’s skin would crawl every time I brought one home. He knew that some types breed out of God’s intented original family, and that produced a snake that could be poisonous to us, but not look so.
    I wonder if Our Heavenly Father acts the the same?
    Be Blessed Gary

  19. oneg2dblu says:

    How inocent our sin looks to many of us today, yet it certainly brings death to multitudes of others who find once bitten, always poisoned, as they can then choose a lifestyle of being addicted to it.
    Similar too, but on the opposite side, once we are delivered from a particular sin’s addiction, we should always be weary of returning to it.
    I’ll never forget the horror of watching the movie Running Man, being a runner myself back then, where a drug’s addiction was conquered and health restored, but the enemy chosing the greatest evil, chose to reintroduce the drug, and the immediate addictive responce was a given, a cruel living second death if you will.
    To those who choose to continuously live in their evil ways now on earth, even after being released from it when forgiven, but then finding they choose to innocently re-introduce it back into their lives here, they will know the reality of the second death is real, never to be forgiven again.
    Like the fate of a dog returning to its poisonous vomit are those who remain, or go back to their sin.
    Israel, clearly blessed by God, should have learned their lesson, but contined to suffer in their wrong choices, as their slavery to sin was never totally abandonded. IMHO

  20. poohpity says:

    I have yet to read where to God that ALL sin is not deadly and separates us from God. Humans beings are the ones who feel there are degrees of sin. Every sin to God seems to be the same, none are any worse than another. In my study of scripture which is not saying I have a complete knowledge of them “every” sin is worthy of death and separation from God. Psalms 32:5 NIV If we do not recognize that ALL sin is the same then does one have an honest opinion of themselves compared to Jesus? To me it is calling God a liar to not recognize that sin is sin trying to present them in degrees says a lot about denial, pepper.

    Regarding the snake in the topic I was wondering if it takes, for some, something we can feel, see or touch which seems to confront the issue of faith. Even though Israel experienced all those miracles looking to the heavens did not seem enough they needed a material thing. I am wondering if that is not way Jesus came in the flesh to give us something to feel, see or touch to experience the Kingdom of God in that time. Did I express that the right way?

  21. BruceC says:

    If we break one commandment we are guilty of them all. To God sin is sin. Rejecting God’s plan through Christ is what will not be pardoned. If we reject the Only Way then there is no way.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  22. remarutho says:

    Good Evening All —

    If I understand your statement, Pooh, I believe Jesus came in the flesh (incarnate) so that the penalty of blood could be paid in kind and in full.

    The concrete, material “thing” for the Israelites to look at — the bronze snake in the desert — does seem to be that strikingly real symbol of the sting of sin. Perhaps God has given us this to make a real impression upon our human consciousness. The bronze snake can be touched, experienced and understood.

    Probably there is no right or wrong answer to your concern. We humans do better with a material thing than with a spiritual concept on its own. When Jesus was nailed to the cross and lifted up, he inaugurated the healing of the sting of sin — the snake bite suffered in the desert expanded to all the iniquity of whosoever believes in him. When he rose to new life, it was accomplished. Nothing is more comforting, is it?

    Maru

  23. remarutho says:

    Meant to say, Nothing is more comforting than Jesus’ ultimate sacrifice for us on the cross.

  24. oneg2dblu says:

    As those of us who fall victim to the great deception and false teaching that all snakes are the same, and where we now think we have our freedom to sin as we continue to play with our snakes, because we are already forgiven and they are as non-poisonous to us, but we must realize as they bite others, which they will if we keep them alive and thriving when we are feeding the very evil that will certainly kill others.

    Is that not enough reason on its own to avoid this feeding frenzy we now see as playing with our harmless snakes?

    How can we who should be operating with a good and clear conscience, knowing we are commanded by scripture to hate evil, continue to play with it as harmless?

    Only those who are taught falsely could possibly think sin does not matter in the here and now, or in their eternity, and perhaps of all mankind.

    1 John5: 16, 17 (NIV) “If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.
    All wrong doing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.”

    Romans 2:9, 10,11,12,13 (NIV) “There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good; first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.
    All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law; will be judged by the law.
    For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is all those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

    Romans 2:7, 8 (NIV) “To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
    Be Blessed, Gary

  25. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All –

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Yet this is exactly the reversal that Jesus seems to have anticipated—when he said that,’ as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.’ Who could have imagined such a convergence of thoughts—so that the very next words could be, ‘For God so loved the world…’”

    This is a reversal and a profound irony. Poor Judas Iscariot seems to be deluded, believing that Jesus must be betrayed. So, he “lifts his heel against him,” by notifying the temple leadership where he will be that night after supper. Yet, it is Jesus, “offspring of the woman Eve” (Genesis 3:15) who is defeating the evil one (the serpent Satan) by drawing all humanity as he is “lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.” (John 3:14, 15) Judas played his part for thirty pieces of silver. The Savior of the world achieved the final victory over sin and death by his sacrifice. The gospel writer John has woven the prophetic thread into his story.

    I agree, Mart, that the disciples around the table that night at supper probably did not make all the prophetic connections between the curse of the serpent (Genesis 3:14, 15) – Jesus’ explanation to Nicodemus the Pharisee (John 3:12, 13, 14) – and the Lord’s comment that his betrayer was sitting among them (John 13:18, 19).

    Earlier when God the Father spoke and the crowd heard it, Jesus told them, “Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people (all things) to myself.” (John 12:31, 32) Judas treats Jesus like the snake – but it is he himself who has judged wrongly. In all of it, Jesus’ prayer is answered: “Father, glorify your name.” (John 12:28)

    Yours,
    Maru

  26. BruceC says:

    Psa 130:2 Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.
    Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
    Psa 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
    KJV

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  27. SFDBWV says:

    Snakes; without snakes we would have a very serious rodent problem; because of rodents we have always had a very serious problem with disease and loss.

    Snakes help keep a balance in nature.

    We also have owls, hawks, fox, wildcats, tamed cats, coyotes and the like to feed off of the rodent population, but snakes too have their place in nature and are also created beings.

    One has to wonder about this one particular snake in the garden. It could communicate with Eve and she with it.

    If the snake is supposed to be Satan, why is Satan seen as a snake and not the angel of light he is reported as being?

    If the snake was indwelt by Satan why is it then that snakes were punished to existing crawling on its belly in the dust of the earth? When the real perpetrator was Satan.

    In this prophesy of the heel and head, it is the descendant of the snake that the descendant of Eve strikes.

    How is it that Jesus’ defeat of sin is seen as being a strike at a descendant of either the snake or Satan?

    Is the story metaphorical or literal?

    Steve

  28. phpatato says:

    I may be “bitten” by this comment but I will say it anyway. To me, ALL snakes are poisonous and I avoid them like the plague…to be taken in a literal sense. Yes to me, only a dead snake is a good snake. I can hardly even type that word without getting a nauseous scared feeling. I can’t even look at a picture of one. Can’t remember when this aversion gripped me but I know I was very very young.

    I know they are good for the balance of nature but I’d just as soon not see that part of the balancing scale.

  29. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    I like snakes for their beauty and their function also, Steve. Where would we be in the gardens, fields and storage bins without snakes? We’d be overrun with rodents. But, it seems to me the emblem of the snake in Genesis and in Exodus is a primal figure, not a metaphor and not a literal serpent.

    Both Luke (Luke 22:3) and John (John 13:27) say that Satan entered Judas Iscariot. When I read the temptation story, it seems to me the snake just appears talking and planting doubt. How could the snake be a literal snake? Satan appears in Scripture as many things — roaring lion — angel of light — serpent. Literal reading wouldn’t work for me in the Genesis passage.

    Satan entering a person is also portrayed all over the Bible. He slides in, corrupting moral thinking, twisting motives, causing misery. Judas is linked to the ancient snake in John’s gospel by implication. John begins his gospel by explicitly retelling the Creation story in terms of Messiah. Was he inspired by the snake in the Exodus story because Jesus gave his life in this wilderness — but lifted up he brings us to the true Promised Land — the New Jerusalem?

    Jesus does all things well. Adam and Eve’s poor beginning is redeemed by Messiah — and Israel’s weak showing in the desert is perfected by Messiah, for he sees Satan clearly at all times. Jesus brings it to mind by saying (John 13:18). There is a reversal in the roles of serpent-tempter and serpent-savior.

    As you put it, Mart:
    “Yet this is exactly the reversal that Jesus seems to have anticipated—when he said that, ‘as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.'”

    Just thinking about snake’s place in all this. I do not know why the Lord curses the beautiful legless reptile to crawl on its belly and eat dust. (Genesis 3:14, 15). Maru

  30. poohpity says:

    I think it is apparent that Satan being a deceiver can take many forms. In the garden there seemed to be no fear of the snake because as with the other creatures Adam had named, they were all residents of paradise and were things of beauty. I really do not know how they communicated or what language it was in but they all shared one commonality, they were living things created by their creator and lived in one accord, no bloodshed. As God told Moses these stories to write down I am sure there was reason for the reference to snakes as we have found that the story of Jesus is so interwoven throughout history in the Bible.

  31. oneg2dblu says:

    As pooh has said, Satan can take on many forms. I think of the casting of the evil spirits out of a man and into the pigs as another example. It seems in the spirit world, which form it takes is secondary to its nature, for the nature of Satan is to steal, kill, and destroy, no matter which form he takes on.
    Imagery is so powerful, so much so, that God said, let us make man in our image.
    Perhaps that is why Satan can come even as an angel of light, or take possessionin any person who is made in the image of God.
    The most powerful weapon against evil we have at our finger tips is the word of God which Satan tries at every turn to twist, “Did God really say?”
    Gary

  32. poohpity says:

    Call me naive but when God says the world was created in 6 days, I believe it was 6 days. When God told Moses that it was a serpent that tempted Adam and Eve, I believe it was a serpent that tempted them. (Genesis 3:1). I believe in what the Bible says not just because but by experiencing what it says and thus it has proven to me to be true not that God has had to. It is by mercy and grace.

    Satan seemed to be against God showing mercy by being an accuser similar to Zech 3:1-4 NIV. Jesus used the example of that same mercy by equating the mercy shown the Israelites who were being bitten by snakes for their rebellion and denial by looking upon the snake on the pole with that which He was going to face as also being lifted on a pole and people believing in that act were shown mercy from their iniquity.

  33. poohpity says:

    I agree Gary Satan does twist God’s truth!!

  34. SFDBWV says:

    Friends I am a tired and hot puppy, if I had a tail I couldn’t wag it, but I am doing a lot of panting.

    The end of the snow shoveling and plowing has only been replaced with cutting the grass,

    I think Bible studies can be fun and I also like to look at some of these things we take for granted sometimes from an almost critical view.

    The results can sometimes be surprising and sometimes solidifying.

    It sometimes reflects more about ourselves than anything else.

    I believe the Holy Spirit has every *jot and tittle* in place for a reason so it is fun sometimes to just see the many faces scripture puts on just one word.

    I have always been a literal interpreter of Scripture, but sometimes things come up that makes me wonder as well as wonder where literal interpretation and metaphors are used.

    It is usually accepted that when Jesus used names in a story or parable that it was a literal event, then when no names give it usually just a story to make a point.

    Well here in Genesis from the beginning God is written in Hebrew as being a multiple God not singular, which gives right away to me for it to be a literal interpretation of events. Then of course in the story of the deception of Eve and the original sin we have Adam, Eve and *The serpent*.

    It is even mentioned that *The serpent*, notice given that in my KJV The is capitalized, that The serpent *was* more subtle than any beast of the field. (Genesis 3:1)

    Jumping ahead to Genesis 3:14 *the* is not capitalized referring to the serpent.

    The reference to this serpent is that it is a *beast of the field* not an indwelt creature of Satan, that it had not only the ability to communicate with Eve, but able to have intelligence beyond that of Adam and Eve with a tendency toward evil.

    I am left to wonder why this serpent is referred to as being more subtle in the past tense. (was) Genesis 3:1

    Jesus urged the Disciples to be as wise as serpents, Matthew 10:16.

    Have a look at Isaiah 14:29 and have fun with this prophesy. A special serpent that hatches from a bird’s egg able to kill with a stare, has fire and flies. Dragon?

    Anyone know where Palestina is?

    The west coast of Canaan, Palestine.

    A great deal to fathom when we dip into the Bible, I love it and think there is a great deal to learn from this study Mart has opened up for discussion if we want to.

    See everyone tomorrow morning, God willing.

    Steve

  35. poohpity says:

    Steve, I guess I miss how “was” is being used in the past tense, it seems to be more of a descriptor.

    The prophesy in Isaiah seems to be speaking of the type of person that will come from Assyria and the type of destruction that will prevail. Philistia I think is speaking of the Philistines. Like the people from Gaza like where Goliath came from. Isaiah 14:28-32 NLT

  36. remarutho says:

    Good Evening All —

    I like the strong imagery in the long list of nations Isaiah prophesies about: Babylon (chapter 14), Assyria, Philistia, Moab, Damascus, Ethiopia, Egypt, Edom and Arabia — Shebna, Tyre and the whole earth.

    The lead-in to that long passage (Isaiah 13-24) is the beautiful prophecy that heralds the coming of Messiah:

    “A shoot shall come out from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. The spirit of the Lord shall rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. His delight shall be in the fear of the Lord.” (Isaiah 11:1-3)

    “The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:8, 9)

    Thus, in the coming of the kingdom of Christ, the era of snake-bite ends.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  37. remarutho says:

    Correction in Isaiah 11:9 — “…the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”

    Amen!

  38. oneg2dblu says:

    Maru… too bad knowledge alone is not always equated to our needed reverent fear, because “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his percepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.”
    Psalm 111:10

    Just looking at how binary that 111 10 address appears, and realizing that we live in the age of digitized and expanded knowledge that already covers the earth in an instant, yet the “Fear of the Lord,” even by all those who know of Him, and those claiming they are Christian or having the Spirit of the Lord within them, live lifestyles as though they certainly are lacking wisdom when it comes to their following of His precepts. :0

    Am not speaking to any absolute perfection mind you, but certainly we who “claim the name,” should able to live more holy, as He is Holy.

    If we are not, “Which snake then, do we serve?”

    If we look like the rest of the world, like we can not fully understand exactly what 1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV) means because we are living as if it is of no use for us.
    Just a thought…
    Gary

  39. poohpity says:

    Gary are you living a holy life as He is Holy? That seems to be the area of concern for God is our individual response to that question. Just make sure you are living that way and leave others into the mighty hand of God. Others will take note when they see it in yours.

  40. oneg2dblu says:

    Pooh… No. I’m not holy as He is Holy. Not yet!

    For He is perfection, I am imperfection under His disciple and being perfected by submitting to it.

    I am only sharing His commands, if I did not care I would not share them either, but He has given me a heart for sharing them, regardless of what others may or may not like to hear.

    As long as we all share the same truth, the same Spirit, the same God, then it never hurts to share that which may save a brother from stumbling further, falling away, or shipwrecking one’s faith by believing in things like false teaching and the like.

    Those things must exist, and they must also be capable of threatening our saved condition, or Paul would not have been led to teach us about them.
    IMHO

  41. poohpity says:

    If you haven’t reached perfection yet then how can you expect others to be? Let us read Paul’s teaching and trust God through the Holy Spirit be our guide. He is much more patient, kind and gentle dealing with us in conviction with care rather than condemnation or conceit. Anyway that seems to be what the Bible says not my honest opinion.

  42. oneg2dblu says:

    Pooh… sorry you can not understand me when I say… I’m not talking about perfection here, but you are!

    Perhaps you missed this part:

    “Am not speaking to any absolute perfection mind you, but certainly we who “claim the name,” should able to live more holy, as He is Holy.”

    2 Timothy 3:16, 17 (NIV) “All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

    If you see only condemnation or conceit in my choice of scripture and my words, than that is what you see, and only God can change that.

    Or, you could continue to complain and accuse others of having their pride or conceit, and only placing condemnation, instead of what the bible says.

  43. poohpity says:

    Communicating with you Gary is certainly one of the hardest things I have come across. Misreading, misquoting and misunderstanding seems to be the norm. So I will stop.

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