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God Only Knows

DSC01551Do you ever find yourself feeling like your mind is going to unravel over some of the most obvious and mysterious questions of life like:

Why does anything exist? Me? You? Us? Now? Here? In a conscious state that cannot be explained? Above all why, would there be an eternal self-existent God? Why can’t science figure out a formula that enables us to replicate the simplest spark of life?

As helpful as modern science as been is improving our lives, resisting disease, and lessening our work, it is also deepening the mysteries that surround us.

I’ve been thinking again about the announcement last year of findings by a group of 440 researchers in 32 laboratories around the world who, while studying the inexpressibly complex human genome, found themselves looking at a mystery far beyond what they expected.

A science article  in the New York Times reports that these researchers discovered a huge ocean of DNA that is giving them clues as to why “Complex diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure and psychiatric disorders are so difficult to predict  and, often, to treat.”

What they found was that “The human genome is packed with at least four million gene switches that reside in bits of DNA that once were dismissed as “junk” but that turn out to play critical roles in controlling how cells, organs and other tissues behave.”

The article went on to explain that the project’s predecessor, the Human Genome Project, which determined the entire sequence of human DNA, “was like getting a picture of Earth from space”… It doesn’t tell you where the roads are, it doesn’t tell you what traffic is like at what time of the day, it doesn’t tell you where the good restaurants are, or the hospitals or the cities or the rivers.”

“The new result “is a stunning resource,” said a researcher from the earlier Human Genome Project.  Then he added, “My head explodes at the amount of data.”

The article is definitely worth reading. Seems to me that it helps us understand why it is not just simplistic faith to say that “God only knows” when it comes to the kind of questions that require the mystery of a Creator to explain, and an all-knowing God to Judge between us—within the complexities of what we do— and don’t understand.


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  1. BruceC says:

    God has revealed to us what He knows we need. When we are all home we will know much, much more. But even then God will still have that unsearchable part of His being.
    The really amazing thing about all this scientific knowledge? That so many involved in it and so many who read about it still will not put their faith in the One who made it.
    To say that God’s ways are unsearchable is truly and understatement.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Because for me it seems life is upside down by the time you learn how to learn and begin to understand things around you your life is over.

    Life has taught me many things, but two things are for sure no matter how hard science tries to disprove God it only proves His existence and no matter how many wars and governments we have history proves that man can not govern himself.

    One of the truths of the “Beatitudes” is that meek and simple people are the happiest.

    I think because they just accept things the way they are and don’t try and change or understand them.

    They don’t try and figure out God or concern themselves with the cosmos.

    They take the good with the bad and live out their lives content with what life hands them.

    They believe without question obey without reason and are seen in church pews every Sunday because that is what they do.

    Early on in the science of DNA its advocates predicted through this science we can cure all forms of human maladies even grow arms and legs eyes and brain cells in those who needed them.

    God designed humans to be eternal, it was sin that brought death to humanity.

    As quickly as some seen the good potential in the science of DNA, others seen the ability to, or fear of, *creating* super humans.

    The Book of Genesis records the results of tampering with the human DNA chain by the interaction between fallen angels and human women. The result was not good.

    Which brings us to a place where Jesus says the world will be like when He will return.

    Like the days of Noah.

    Altered human genome and rampant evil.

    Steve

  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart and Friends –

    Wonderful links, Mart, thanks. The moment, it seems to me, in which I kneel speechless before our awesome God, is the moment in which worship is true and real. As Job had so much to say at first, along with his friends, God answered back. Then, all were silent. That mystery remains. (Job 42:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)

    Maru

  4. Bill says:

    Meaty topic today, Mart.

    For some reason, scientific discoveries don’t surprise me. The vastness of the universe, or the subatomic inter-connected complexities of the building blocks of matter don’t phase me. They amaze me. I shake my head and smile. But pondering such things doesn’t add to or subtract from my faith. Any God capable of creating it all is certainly capable of engineering it either so vast or so intricate that we may never arrive at an understanding of it. To me, that’s a given.

    There is one question that has haunted me for decades, that cannot be answered by the wisest of scholars, or the most spirit-filled of believers. No pastor, book, or sermon has ever touched it, or even come close:

    If God knew beforehand that the world would fall into utter chaos, despair, death, disease, and disharmony — with untold suffering and sadness — why did he create it?

    Only a fool — or a sadistic monster — would knowingly create that which he knew would live in pain (physical and emotional) for a short 70 or 80 years and then die — some to subsequently spend an eternity in hell (to suffer even more, only forever), some to subsequently spend life in heaven. And only a Napoleon-complex egoist of the highest order would create such a world, populated by beings capable of such evil that they’d cut off each other’s heads in the name of religion…or put infants in microwaves to punish them…and then offer to help them by sending his son to die for them — but not tell them enough about the “right” way to understand the Bible and live the Christian life to keep them from continuing to fight, argue, and kill one another in his name.

    Christianity doesn’t make an ounce of sense. It is illogical on the macro level, and immoral when examined at the micro level.

    And yet I cannot argue with one important fact: we exist.

    Our bodies are so complex that we couldn’t hope to duplicate even a small portion of them in a laboratory. The world exists, too, with all of its vastness and beauty. There is enough life to examine in one’s back yard — or on any mile of ocean beach — to justify a course of study at a university…and a lifetime of wonder.

    We exist. The world exists. The universe exists. Trillions of years couldn’t have enabled all we see and hear to come into being. No, it had to have been created.

    But now what? What happens now that we’re all here — and seemingly incapable of even getting along on Mart’s blog, let alone with others in the world around us?

    The intellect cannot explain why, or what God was thinking when he said, “Despite it all, I’ll call everything into being. Let there be light!”

    But the heart…

    Ahhh, now we’re getting somewhere.

    The heart.

    What is the one thing that unites us all when the intellect fails, language is a barrier, and when our religion requires we strap a bomb to ourselves and kill innocents because they don’t believe as we do?

    The heart. Our emotions.

    Love.

    God created us with a brain, yes. But let’s face it. We don’t use it. When we do, it only divides us.

    So what is the common denominator for all humanity, the one thing that everyone on the planet has in common?

    Answer: the capacity to love, and the need for love.

    No one will ever convince me that love is not the answer. It is. It is the only answer that makes a lick of sense. It is the one true thread that runs from Genesis to Revelation. Something about love caused God to create it all, something about love caused God to send his son to save it all.

    So, bring on the science! Human Genome Project? Dig it! A trillion atoms dancing on the head of a pin? Oh, yeah. Bring it on. The mind reels!

    But omit heart, love, from any portion of it and we’re doomed to a life of misery.

    Hugs to all,

    Bill

  5. narrowpathseeker says:

    For me, taking basic science courses late in life and learning how complex and incredibly designed the human body was and then on to all life forms and the basic workings of the universe, was mind blowing. It was not so much the unbelievable overall complexities of creation that was overwhelming, but rather how ANY ONE could study basic science and NOT believe in Almighty Creator God!!

    Even in a psychology course, watching a film of case studies of patients with multiple personality disorders I saw scripture confirmed. With the use of electrodes that showed that a person with this disorder would undergo a change in their chemical composition, I thought of Legion. One could be a diabetic in one personality and not in another. Hearing, sight, and other ailments came and went in various personalities. What I could not understand was how anyone so very intelligent to study, discover, learn, and teach these things could be so ignorant to NOT believe in God.

    Another amazing thing is that while taking these courses, I actually learned the names of every bone, muscle, nerve, cell, etc, and could identify bacteria and actually pronounce as well as spell scientific terms. I had taped lectures, that I had planned to study further on my own when I didn’t have to study for other subjects. A year or so after I was finished with school I took them out and tried to study them…I had no idea what the instructor was talking about!! I tend to believe that God didn’t want me to get even more full of myself with worldly knowledge but to be content that HE knows and I need only to depend on Him. I even have to depend on Him to remind me of that countless times a day.

  6. phpatato says:

    Steve…that’s me. Keep it simple-stupid. Man can question, research and pull his hair out till the cows come home but will never chance upon the answer until God opens the door to that answer. Simple as that.

    My first thought on this can be summed up in one word: Trust.

    How much can we trust what is about to be discovered from this project. When I read: “The findings, which are the fruit of an immense federal project involving 440 scientists from 32 laboratories around the world”, I become a skeptic. Federal project. World-wide project. Government involvement. A click on the link “Human Genome Project” already shows just how much government has their hand in the pot when I see to the right of the page: “Supreme Court rules unanimously against patenting genes”. The top court in the land has their hand in the pot.

    There is debate that there is a cure for cancer but that cure will never be disclosed because drug manufacturers, in bed with government, prevent that discovery from becoming known. Why? It is said to be Money from prescriptions and chemo drugs = greed; a way to balance the population.

    To me, I applaud what these scientists are doing. It is nice to see that they are wanting to rid the world of diseases and cancers. Polio and it’s discovery vaccine was a huge scientific advancement. As long as these scientists are given the freedom to explore, discover, uncover and report, their time will not be in vain. What I am afraid of though, is the censorship, the cover ups, the classified information only privy to top government officials (NSA/Edward Snowden comes to mind as I type this)that is already overshadowing this project.

    But at the end of the day…God is in control. He has the final say on all of this. And that gives me great comfort!

    This comes to you from the eyes of a simple-minded stayed at home mom/now grandmom who has absolutely no idea what she is talking about.

    Hugs

    Pat

  7. oneg2dblu says:

    Bill… thanks for the hug. Nothing says love like a hug…
    I thought God created this world for His pleasure.

    But that is just the creation account in Genesis that says, He was very pleased with His creation
    Then, He created man in His Image, and for His pleasure also.
    So to me, He created all things for His purposes and pleasure.
    Becuase we do not understand them or their complexity is really inconsequential and perhaps un-needed for us just to live out our expected lives for Him.
    I also think that I read somewhere that sin had changed the entire course of all things bringing with it, all those horrific things you’ve mentioned.
    But that would just be me singing the only note I know.
    Thank God that He put on flesh and came to save us, for we certainly could not save ourselves, being that Satan can so easily deceive us. Gary

  8. oneg2dblu says:

    “A bird does not sing because he has a message,
    He sings because he has a song.

    I love that quote and trust that God fi9nds pleasure in hearing that song.

    That is a quote I would love to emulate,
    but I’m not created to be a bird,
    am I created to be something more,
    I have an Image, and I have a message…
    Be Blessed

  9. poohpity says:

    You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. (Psalm 139) To think that someone thousands of years ago wrote this without any scientific background but what he did have was a relationship with the One who created it all. I believe God gave us all these marvelous things to study to keep our minds occupied, it seems better to search, discover and learn than to destroy.

  10. poohpity says:

    It seems obvious by now that sin is the only note known, and the only song being sung but most here listen to the song our Savior sings before the Father, “It is finished”. That is something that although my understanding is limited that is what I have come to depend on and cling to.

  11. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… I guess you may have glossed over my last statement: “Thank God that He put on flesh and came to save us, for we certainly could not save ourselves, being that Satan can so easily deceive us.”
    There seems that there was really more than one note that was sung, or could have been notated, but you chose your words, obvious as well.
    Gary

  12. oneg2dblu says:

    Pooh… You perhaps selectivly heard only the one note song, and did not see the message which was also obviously there.
    I’ll pray that more pleasing words can be exchanged when we choose to see the whole, not just judging the part we choose to see, then perhaps we each can start to really show others who we want to be, instead of who we are.
    I trust that can apply to us all. Gary

  13. saled says:

    A quote from Albert Einstein: “The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the power of all true science.” Yes, Mart, it is not just simplistic faith to say, “God only knows.”

    The more that scientists delve into DNA and the structures of the cell, the more they discover the great complexity of the design of God’s miracle. I recently read a book titled ‘The Biology of Belief’ that introduced me to the idea of epigenetics, which is the idea that the environment affects the expression of genes, and the author includes our thoughts in that word environment. The New York Times article didn’t specifically mention thoughts, but who would deny that our thoughts can produce changes in our body chemisty? And how are thought and faith related?

    One big idea that stuck with me from this book is that the ‘brain’ of a cell is not the nucleus, but the cell membrane. It is the cell membrane that either lets in or keeps out substances in its environment. The health of the cell, and ultimately the organism, depends on the cell membrane. The Times article talked a lot about ‘dark matter’. I wonder do the scientists call it this because they understand so little about it?

    So many big questions, and yes, God only knows.

  14. cathyol07 says:

    That’s why faith and trust is important to God.We follow even we don’t understand why and even we don’t know where are we heading.We only get what He means after following Him.We don’t need to know everything and do everything.We just need to believe.And to make life simple,keep the faith because only God knows.

  15. poohpity says:

    To even ponder how 10ft of DNA is stuffed into a microscopic nucleus of a cell but not to trust that same God who created that to work in someone’s life to open their eyes of understanding and to follow what I am commanded to do, shows no faith on my part at all. Simple faith would mean I can trust God in every area just like the faith of a child who trusts their parents and never gives a thought or worry about anything but just enjoys.

  16. BruceC says:

    Pat,

    I agree with your statement 100%. It is not the knowledge that God allows man to have that concerns me, but how man perverts it.
    I guess you can say that I am a pessimistic optimist.
    I am optimistic about God’s Word and His promises to all who believe and trust Him; but I am pessimistic about man and his promises because of our fallen human nature. And that became clear to me again dealing with my insurance company of 45+ years, over damage from bad storms on May 29th. Service and integrity right out the window.
    I too am fearful of just what would do with such genetic knowledge. Will humanity make their own man/god it its image? Could that be a hint of Satan’s version of a virgin birth? Just speculation; but then again we live in very strange days that are getting worse.
    My wife suffers the effects of a drug that was touted as a wonder for pregnant woman that her Mom took. So we have our reasons of being a little more than wary of man’s “breakthroughs”. Many of these researchers upon finding something out see money instead of God.
    Christ; not science, is the hope of man. I pray that more find Him.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  17. SFDBWV says:

    My dad used to be fond of saying “what you don’t know would fill a lot bigger book then what you do know.”

    Of course he was right, and concerning any pursuit of knowledge is a journey of endless discovery.

    Gregor Johann Mendel is considered the father of genetics, but he got his idea from the pages of Genesis with the story of Jacob and the increase of cattle and goats and camels found in Genesis 30:32-42.

    Ask any farmer and he will tell you how to produce bigger, healthier animals as well as bigger crops; it’s all in the breeding.

    Genetics of course side steps the natural way of things and goes after rearranging reproduction in the lab.

    Interesting the debate about whether genetically altered food is healthy for us to eat or an unknown disaster waiting to be discovered.

    Interesting to me because if some in the science community fear eating genetically altered food how can they even consider the reproduction of genetically altered people?

    I think there are a ton of science fiction stories already out there addressing these issues and good science fiction always has enough truth in it to make for good reading.

    Unfortunately if we try to look at theological issues and questions from an abstract view we get labeled heretics, blasphemers, radicals, possessed or just crazy.

    It seems science at least gets the opportunity to experiment.

    I seen just a moment last evening of a program on TV talking about the edge of the universe and posing the idea that we exist in a black hole that exists in a black hole that exists in a black hole, with endless layers above below and all about us going on for eternity.

    Trying to place ourselves in the eternal vastness that is God seems to bring us to that point of unraveling as Mart put it and cause me to return to my first thoughts, just accept where I am and believe God is in control.

    Just as a little side note; Revelation 4:11 states God created all things for His pleasure, so I agree with your understanding Gary, of that matter.

    Steve

  18. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Looking for another scorcher of a day here in the West. Am nearer the big blue Pacific this week-end. Will be 10 deg. cooler I’m sure.

    Steve, you wrote:

    “I think there are a ton of science fiction stories already out there addressing these issues and good science fiction always has enough truth in it to make
    for good reading.”

    There’s the thing about the (fallen) human intellect. We must “know” — and it is such a compulsion that we project, extrapolate and hypothesize until we have driven the mystery into hiding. Perhaps, the tons of ink and paper spent upon science fiction conjecture may be considered some poor form of praise to our Creator God. (?)

    Interesting factoid: Today, June 29th, is the mid-point of the year.

    Yours,
    Maru

  19. SFDBWV says:

    Bill we are both *cursed* with thinking in multiple areas and avenues all the while trying to settle on one thought. I smile as one to another it is both appetizing and frustrating at the same time.

    I have read that the mark of a genius is that they can concentrate on one thing so intently as to seem to be absentminded.

    I wonder what it is called when one is absentminded by trying to cover too many things at once.

    I don’t know Bill if you recall my sharing of a dream I had a few years ago now, but if not I will share it with you and all again now.

    In the dream I found myself in a very brightly lighted place with people all around and one person in particular whom I was speaking with. I was asking Him all of the why questions about life and the puzzling nature of the things I didn’t understand. He answered them all and as I heard them they all made perfect sense to me. It all became clear and I could see that they were all the right things to have happen to each of us.

    I quickly turned to tell Matthew all of the things I had just learned so he too could have peace, but as soon as I did I forgot all I had been told, but that was ok that I didn’t remember, because I understood without the knowledge, I didn’t need to know, it wasn’t important.

    Then I awoke.

    An amateur psychologist would say that my psyche balanced itself in this dream state. I would rather say that Jesus gave me peace about all of these why questions.

    As for love; it exists because like all things, God created it. What its created use is intended for and how it is used, or if possible misused, by the fallen nature we are currently in is the issue.

    I believe it exists in the animal kingdom as well as in the hearts of people. I of course am not speaking of reproduction, but the emotion of love.

    God being the ultimate being possesses the ultimate love for all of His creation and that ultimate love was demonstrated at the cross and across eternity in a way we have yet to understand fully.

    Have you ever met someone totally devoid of love? Seemingly incapable of feelings for another? They exist in our world and if you look into their eyes what do you see looking back; cold emptiness, not sadness not sorrow no emotions just an empty stare.

    Jesus died for that person also, whether they *know* it or not. God loves them in spite of themselves.

    Steve

  20. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, I have had similar experiences of learning something very deep and exciting from a dream. I don’t remember the dream when I awake, but I remember what I learned for a few minutes and then it’s gone…I just remember that it was something wonderful. Once I thought to run and write it down before I forgot and when I got the pen and paper out…it was gone, but the excitement of believing I was Visited remained.

    On the other hand, almost daily as I turn to share something I’ve learned with someone, I forget it as I am speaking…and it’s no dream.. :-) Fortunately, I can somehow remember that it wasn’t anything exciting, deep, important or anything like what I forget in special dreams.

  21. oneg2dblu says:

    saled… I really was struck how profoundly your post covered my feelings about the essence of real faith.

    First in the Einstein quote, “The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the power of all true science.”

    In my experience of the finding of faith, I was just as profoundly struck with the sensations of the mystical and the emotional, but I never would have linked that experience to any form of science, unless we consider the placeob affect.

    Which is clearly exhibited in those who “thought they received” something that would cure them, but were never really given it, and received its evidence of power only.

    This could well be one reason why Paul taught that faith without works, may not be real faith at all.

    Again, I am without the verse, but it just struct me with the possible mysticallity of it to those who find faith alone as the only answer, verses, a faith that actually produces friut, visible fruit.

    I guess what I am feeling now is this, “If we are saved by faith and of course we are, then the fruit we should show is this very thing we have called love, a love that wins.

    Wins others to find that Christ is the real cure!

    Next, you shared some profound thoughts about the cell, the most simple form of life we know of. How the “real brain” may not be in the nucelus, but in the membrane.

    Huge!

    That hit me like a ton of bricks when it comes to our new life with Christ now being our nucelus.

    Some teach today a thinking of letting everything in this fallen evironment pass through them with any fear of harm, and others teach us to use our new brain as a membrane and selectivly allow only certain things to pass through, rejecting those things that would ultimately injure us.

    I call that substance _ _ _ you can fill in that blank.

    I would call that outer sheild of protection,
    “our divine filter,” bot only if we are constantly listening to the discernment found in the Holy Spirit within.

    That still small voice.

    Where one person now exposes themselves to porn saying it won’t hurt me, and the other says I now know better than to keep testing myself.

    Sorry, I used such a harsh convicting object to define what needs to befiltered out and what is allowed by those more discerning membranes who call themselves His.

    Gary

  22. poohpity says:

    Mart, you asked, “Why can’t science figure out a formula that enables us to replicate the simplest spark of life?” I would guess that even those who know God, know “God Only Knows” much less those who do not even attempt to learn about God or even ask God to give them a peek into His marvelous works. God would ask us, “Why do you need to know?” What God has already given us to know we tangle up, argued over, fight, use to control and make money. The most simplistic of commands is forgotten to love God and to love others (Matt 22:37-39 NLT) so why would He give insight into the most complex things. Psalm 92:6 NIV

    If we believe that there is much “God Only Knows” should that not bring us to our knees in worship but it causes rebellion and the desire to be like God, pride. (Genesis 3:5) Rather than feeling like, “For you make me glad by your deeds, Lord; I sing for joy at what your hands have done. How great are your works, Lord, how profound your thoughts! (Psalm 92:4-5 NIV)

  23. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve…. thanks for finding that positive note that we can share equaly with love.
    We were all created in His Image and for His pleasure. ODB for today highlites that very premise.
    We are all His…. Gary

  24. SFDBWV says:

    Pearl it is equally interesting to have dreams that you can’t remember, but that leave you with a sense of what you dreamed leaving you with either a good feeling or a bad.

    Thought of you, Pat, Claudia, Della and the other bird lovers this morning as I finished mowing the grass and came in, there on my feeding rock was a bright blue Indigo Bunting feeding and showing off his bright blue color.

    Maru I think that everything, both good and bad points to God in praise, either in contrast, wonder or in thanksgiving.

    If you think about it mankind has tried to worship Him for many years without really knowing Him or how He wants to be worshiped.

    I also agree that compulsion to *know* everything can become quite exhausting and expensive. The super collider has not produced much in the way of feeding the hungry clothing the poor or curing cancer, but it cost a pretty penny to build and maintain. Our constant voyages to outer space and our planets make for fascinating TV or reading, but only point to the fact that only earth contains life and earth our home until God, once again, interacts on man’s behalf.

    Steve

  25. oneg2dblu says:

    narrowpathseeker…. I keep a pencil and paper at the bedside for those very dreams, the ones you know that you know you, were a visit by a great mystical power, a divine presence.
    They do not come often or enough, but when they do, they have been given as a blessing to you, and you know it.
    Even when you can remeber them and write them out with all the details, you may not at thst time have the full revelation, but you will have the dream.
    I was taught that if you pray for that revelation it will be givern to you, sometimes one peice at a time, over time, but you will receive it.
    Been there, done that, and been blessed! Gary

  26. oneg2dblu says:

    Those dreams when first encountered are like reading the bible, you have all the elements right there given to you, but you do not ever get the full revelation, because you also filter out as you read.

    What you do get comes in time, over time, and when you are given His divine help to see more of the particulars that apply to you in your moment of need, which in these fleshly tents, and in this corrupted world never ends.

    As Maru has shed light on before, where we receive a deepening faith that only comes from being in the word.

    Not just exposed to the whole, but given the parts that your current faith/filter will allow you to receive.

    I say it this wsy… In the faith you now possess.

    Where a child is given complete access they see no fences needed, and where a grown up now knows from experience the value of a good fence that always protects.

    We come to Him as little children living only in our need for finding love, then we learn not all love is without its shortcomings, not all flowers are without thorns, and not all things that taste and feel good are good for us.

    But, our need for love continues…

    We then learn to filter our experience accordingly as we learn where we should go, and where we should not.

    But, our need for love continues…

    As Steve has said, we do see in others a dead eyed blank stare, one that can not receive that love it still needs, a terrible place to be, closed, fenced in, blind to basic needs, and finding no hope.

    There is only Jesus left for those who have shut off the entire world around them, those who’s hope is gone, and He cares for them, even where we can’t go.

    Those eyes are tough to look at but they are also His, and He always has access to them, even if they do not want it, or know how much they need it.

    We say that we can only pray, yet that is really the most powerful thing we can do for those who do not want, or can not receive our love, but still need His.
    Gary

  27. poohpity says:

    How can we replicate the love of God if we think that love is an emotion and not an action? Emotions can deceive but actions are proof. The definition of science from Websters: the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding. If we spent more time gathering knowledge from factual sources our science of God would then show we do not nor will we ever know all that God knows. If one then realize that fact alone I think our attitudes would change like Job’s did when God confronted him on the difference between what God knows and what Job thought he knew. Job 42:1-3 NLT rather than speaking as one with authority we might learn by the science/knowledge of God that a humble recognition of what we do not know far out weighs what we think we know.

  28. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    I am in total agreement with what you stated about the cost of research. Yes, many good things have come through it. But does that justify the astronomical expense? I agree with you about how many could have been fed or clothed with that money.
    I told a friend of mine that much of this is spent as an ego building trip for those involved. It really amazes me how so many of these “learned” people can spout off theories as if they are all proven fact; and how gullible so many are that believe it. Truly the enemy is at work blinding eyes. Too bad they didn’t spend more time in the Manual of Life learning true wisdom. The ones that have faith in God are continually amazed at His creative power. But it is so sad that many of these voices are drowned out by academia.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  29. bubbles says:

    When I was in high school, our Biology II teacher gave us a photocopied copy of a human’s cell chromosomes. Our assignment was to pair the chromosomes and find the gender of the person from whom this cell came. This task took quite a while to complete. The chromosomes had to be carefully measured. That night as I lay in bed, I remember being awestruck by God’s creation. I prayed for two hours thanking and praising God for his handiwork. Something so small, precise, and infinite helped me understand The Lord in a way I had not before. Then we dissected fetal pigs. That was full of more amazing lessons.

  30. Bill says:

    Steve, your post today (June 29, 2013 at 8:25 am) was sublime. Very well written. Right on the money.

    Gary, got plenty of hugs. You can have as many as you want.

    Pooh, your posts are terrific. Thank you for sharing. The one from June 29, 2013 at 1:10 pm was especially apropos. Emotion is essential. Without it, we are automatons. Sort of like Data on Star Trek: Next Generation, always seeking to be human. But without action, emotions alone ring hollow. They don’t mean anything. For me, love is always a verb. I always feel it. But I am quick to DO it, too — snap to when somebody needs something.

    I often debate/discuss science with unbelievers, especially those who are far-left liberal and prone to believe (even adamantly embrace/espouse) evolution. They assure me science has figure out that evolution is fact, and that there’s no way anything like “intelligent design” is real.

    But what they don’t seem to realize is the complexity and the patterns and the…well, go to YouTube and watch a video called “Ancient Knowledge Pt.2 Fibonacci Sequence, Golden Ratio, Phi in Nature, DNA, Fingerprint of God.”

    There are a LOT of New Age/quasi-spiritual/just plain weird documentaries about how intricate the world is. I love watching those clips. I do NOT succumb to their New Age and/or occult themes. I merely marvel that they’re so close to seeing what really is…yet, for some reason, they can’t attribute what they see to the Creator God.

    But there’s a wealth of scientific and philosophical information about there that demonstrates just how creative God is, and how astonishingly intricate nature is. Watch some of those clips. Ignore the New Age/occult aspects. Focus on the science, math, and interconnectedness. Those are the parts I take away from such video clips. They’re what I use to discuss science with unbelievers who see but don’t see.

    Love to all,

    Bill

  31. poohpity says:

    According to a Pew research study 33% of English speaking scientists believe in God.

    According to another study from the LifeWay research says that only 19% of Christians read their bible away from church daily. Then they wrote, ““Regular Bible engagement is both personal and requires discipline. Neither are popular in Western culture today,” McConnell told the Post. “Too many churchgoers want the benefits of salvation without investing in personally knowing Christ and the abundant life he offers.”

    How many even attend church regularly?

    How can we expect scientists to do things that not even people who say they are Christians do? It is true in these cases that only God knows what is in a persons heart but it is also seen in our actions.

  32. narrowpathseeker says:

    Gary, thank you. Like you said they don’t come often, but if I should be blessed with another, I hope I can remember long enough to write it down and then talk to Him about it.
    Thanks Again…Pearl

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    How can we replicate the love of God if we think love is an emotion an not an action?
    I wonder if first having compassion is just an emotion? Or is it really something that can not be separated out from our having actions that also qualify as love.
    If we truly follow Christ we would also have his same emotions, for when seeing the crowds, He Jesus, had compassion on them.
    I think that having compassion is an emotion that preempts are being able to love as Jesus loved.

    So, yes, emotion is very much involved in loving as Jesus loved, just as much as any action that will follow His commands, “Feed my Sheep.”

  34. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, what a wonderful blessing for you to see that Indigo Bunting! They are so beautiful!! I believe that when we see something so special like the Indigo Bunting or even just a little sparrow that comes close it is the Lord sending His Love. The Lord has restored the river bank for me. I lost ground last year during a difficult trial, but I think I’m gaining a little more than I lost. He has sent the cardinals, pileated woodpeckers, a little red fox, and other fascinating creatures back! I’m happy for you and your wildlife sightings. Did Matt get to see it?
    Pearl

  35. BruceC says:

    I used to feed the birds also. Our neighbors cat decided it was a good place to hunt birds so I stopped. We also had a family of skunks and a family of raccoons come at night. That went well until mama skunk got a tad upset over something and sprayed hitting the house under the kitchen window! WOW!!!
    We had over 20 species of birds. It was like watching a miracle every day and in my mind that is what it is.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  36. BruceC says:

    I read somewhere that Indigo Buntings are not really that color but appear so due to light refraction on their feathers. It comes back as blue, hence “Indigo”.
    Of course some scientists would explain this with “billions and billions” of years. LOL!

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  37. SFDBWV says:

    Once *again* I am saddened at how quickly our attempt to converse together presents a challenge.

    How ever in this world can anyone not agree that love is something you feel just amazes me.

    Actions of kindness, charity, even respect are all forms of *showing* love. Love that you *feel*, in your being, in your heart and in your soul.

    Except just for the intent to disagree, I can not even understand why anyone would disagree that love is something you *feel*.

    How you *feel* about any matter is then the *reason* that you *act* upon it.

    You know I may have had lots of things to share today, but I think I will just stay away today and tend to those I love here around me as there are other emotions as well as love and an evil intent has its effect and consequences and so I choose today to just stay away from it.

    Steve

  38. narrowpathseeker says:

    Bruce, I’m sorry about your skunk experience…YIKES!! That and the process of the “food chain” is one of those things that I can’t understand, but just accept that God had His reasons. Still it hurts me to watch and when I am able I do what I can to rescue the “victims”. Then I feel bad for the one that didn’t get it’s lunch. lol. I never really thought about this before but I wonder if the skunk falls ANYWHERE into that food chain. ;-)

    Pearl

  39. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, I always look forward to what you have to share, but I understand your choice. I hope you have a wonderful day with Matt and Glenna(sorry if I got that wrong again) and maybe a few of our feathered friends.

    Pearl

  40. poohpity says:

    If one thinks love is only a feeling then how could that person love their enemies. Love is seeking the highest good for another. If a married couple only loves when they feel it they would be in and out of love all the time especially when one feels irritated at their spouse or a child but when love is the foundation you have made a commitment to that person to do the best for them that is how I understand it.

    The bible describes 3 types of love, Agape- which seems to be like that described in 1 Cor 13 (unconditional) without self benefit which is shown by God which is what it takes towards our enemies. The kind of love it takes to follow Jesus.

    Eros-passionate, sensual desire, this one is a feeling. Philia- virtuous or loyalty like towards friends, children and family, a give and take.

    So Steve you are right love can be a feeling and it can be a passion we have for the Lord which would cause us to seek after Him. Forgive me for pushing a button again by not totally agreeing with you? No matter what I philio you even when I do not agree, no disrespect intended, we are allowed to share our own thoughts on here which many times will not be the same.

  41. poohpity says:

    Actually, it may take all three to follow the Lord.

  42. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… I agree with you and Steve about love being more than just an emotion.
    “If you love Me you will obey my commands.”

    I do beleive that there are four types of love expressed in the bible though…
    Agape, God’s Love uncondition love.
    Phileo, love of friends
    Storge, brotherly or personal affection
    Eros,when we marry and then become intimate, leaving our family to become one with our mate for life.
    I do not have the verse handy but we all know the bible speaks of this type of love as well, where two become one, emotionally and physically.
    God actually commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.
    So, I think the bible really does cover all the types of love.
    How could it not if showing of love is the certainly a most valued use of our time?
    In His Love, Gary

  43. oneg2dblu says:

    Today, and actually every time I go out rowing in our beautiful intercostal waterways here in Melbourne, Florida I always see a dolphin show itself somewhere along my journey and immediately the words, Thany you Lord, come flowing out of me.
    I love all of the beauty nature brings us and many birds are included.
    I have two resident doves, and two rabbits that visit daily, a couple of racoons, squirrels, and my neighbors dog who does his business, and my other neighbors cats aa well.
    I have a mole also, or maybe had a mole, as the tunnels are not so prevelant right now.
    There are also a bevy of very high flying geese or storks very vocal but take some time to locate and by the time I do they are quickly going out of range.
    We do get the exoctics here but not frequently. The last one was an over three foot long Eguanna, (not sure of the spelling,) tons of smaller lizards which I call gators and a beautiful black snake every once in a while.
    I won’t tell you about all the other creepy things or you will never come to visit.
    It is pretty much a tropical zoo done here and I have houses on every side, so my neighbors will varify what I’ve said.
    And only God knows all the rest of the visitors that I have not mentioned. :)

  44. oneg2dblu says:

    At home now, just found the verses I wanted to bring into the conversation earlier: Genesis 1:27, 28 (NIV). Genesis 2:21, 22, 23, 24, 25 (NIV). Matthew 19: 4, 5, 6 (NIV). :)

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    God defines for mankind, right from the start a type of love relationship in marriage between one man and one woman, because that is His way.
    In that love which He designed, He commands them to be fruitful and multiply, because being obedient and loving that way, is also His chosen way. :)

  46. poohpity says:

    Here is a good one too that shows love is an action/verb; John 3:16-17 NLT. Then there is this which shows the difference between Philio and Agape love; John 21:15-17 NLT. Peter seemed to have Philio love and Jesus wanted Agape love, total spiritual commitment.

    Gary, I think storge is another Greek word and I do not know if it is not similar to Philio type love nor do I know if that kind is used in scripture, I have only learned about the other 3.

  47. poohpity says:

    A good example of Philio love was Jonathan and David in 1 Samuel 20:16-17 NLT

  48. oneg2dblu says:

    A good example of Storge love is found in Genesis 43:29-30 (NIV) Joseph displays the love of his brother Benjamin who is part of his actual father’s family. So, it is different than the love of Jonathan.

  49. oneg2dblu says:

    Joseph was overcome by just seeing his mother’s son for the first time, he was face to face with a very deep emotional love that brought him to tears, which he tried to hide be leaving the room and washing his face before returning.

  50. narrowpathseeker says:

    Gary, your blessed encounters with God’s creatures are wonderful. I like that you say “thank you God” when you see them…I do that too. ..Sometimes, I have the audacity to think He sent a beautiful sun set just for ME, when there are probably thousands of people looking at the same sunset, but when the animals come close to me and sometimes even stare at me…I am fairly confident that He did sent them just for me ;-)

  51. bubbles says:

    Narrow~ you are right. Others may have seen the nature things, but you could be the ONLY one who thanked God for the opportunity to see His special creation. I have often wondered the same thing, was I the only one who saw the shooting star, and then I thought probably thought hundred of people could have seen it, but even if they did, it still felt special. Just think: God had you a a certain place and a certain time to see a certain thing He made, and it was a special thing between you and your Father. Don’t you love it when things like that happen?

  52. poohpity says:

    I fully agree that God sends beautiful things He created to bring a smile at just the right time to the heart of His children. During the hottest part of the day it seems like nothing moves but those things that can tolerate the heat. Lizards scurry around while we all hide in the houses from this 119 degree heat.

    Gary, thank you for teaching me a new word today. ;-) It is so neat because God keeps our mind open to learning and discovering until the time we will go home to be with Him. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

  53. narrowpathseeker says:

    Bubbles, yes I do love it when things like that happen. AND on top of being incredibly wonderful, it’s all FREE!! ;-)

  54. cbrown says:

    Todays “Daily Bread” used the butterfly as an example of the wonder of God’s creation. I did some research on the monarch this morning and Psalm 104:24 written several thousand years ago does a good job of describing my wonder at God’s creation. The atheist need to take any mention of the butterfly out of any public building because it so clearly testifies of God.

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