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Avoiding the Potholes

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With the recent thaw after a lengthy period of below normal temperatures, Michigan roads have suddenly become littered with axle-busting potholes. Our local paper reported yesterday that road crews are out trying to fill as many as possible. But as the the snow has begun to fall again, we have more than slippery conditions to think about.

Driving has become a bit like steering around the hazards that show up in the second letter of Peter. In his last two chapters he develops the realism that he alluded to in his introduction (2Peter 1:4). After defining what it takes to “participate in the divine nature”, he goes on to describe the ever present hazards—the degrading, self-destructive potential of following our own inclinations… when we wander from the wonder of the forgiveness and rescue that has been given to us.

Having caste his vision for a harvest of growth in the goodness and knowledge of Christ, Peter goes on to describe what happens to those who reject the Lord who bought them (2Peter 2:1). He writes of the danger of becoming slaves to the natural desires that master us (2Peter 2:19). In the potential risks of personal loss and destruction he helps his readers see what happens in the absence of the virtue, knowledge, self-control, patience, godliness (i.e. grateful reverence), brotherly kindness and love of Christ.

Using his last words to express the concern and perspectives of a lifetime, Peter writes, “Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever!” (3:18)

Peter doesn’t explicitly say what he means when he talks about the danger of falling from your secure position. Seems to me that he is, at least, alluding to the self-corrupting paths that distracted or disillusioned children of God can wander if we don’t practice the wisdom he urgently describes in chapter 1.

Which, in light of our last conversation, leads to a question that I think is worth considering whenever we read Scripture. Does it make sense to read every text as if it is being said by a witness who is sworn under oath to say “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?”

The truth? To be rightly understood and applied, yes. Nothing but the truth? As inspired in meaning and intent, yes. The whole truth? If so, then what are we to do with Moses words when he describes the difference between what God has revealed—and that which, for now, he has kept to himself? (Deut 29:29).

Peter is writing to those who through the merciful rescue of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have been given the immeasurable opportunity to spend the rest of their lives growing in the grace and peace of God (2Peter 1:1-2).  He is also writing to those who, like us, still have an opportunity to make a mess of the rest of the way home if we forget what has been done for us.

As for our unanswered questions, have we heard enough to focus our attention on the One who told Peter (regarding his unanswered question about another person) “What is that to you? You follow me…” ? (John 21:21-22)

Am thinking that knowing which unanswered, or at least arguable, questions to steer around is like driving to avoid deep potholes…


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Potholes and pitfalls… One thing I know about potholes is that they are created by water beneath the surface of the roadway. The best defense against having pot holes is the building of the roadway with adequate drainage so that water beneath the road is drained away before it can push upward and create the beginnings of making a pothole.

    The road must be built on a solid foundation with the added protection against potholes pre-engineered.

    Pitfalls are obstacles placed in front of us that can cause us to stumble and fall, get trapped or distract us from going forward.

    The best defense against pitfalls is recognizing one when you see them, and avoiding them.

    If we build our faith on the solid foundation of Jesus, then we begin our journey with good footing and when weather turns bad that foundation will not crumble or create potholes from which can cause hazards to our progress.

    Being in fellowship with Jesus enables us to see the pitfalls and traps that lay in our way as well and God is faithful to always give us a way around traps and pitfalls…If we are listening to Him and not our own self satisfying spirits.

    Another thing I know about journeys is that if when you begin and stay on the straight and narrow route planned out with a map, your destination will be reached with little difficulty, but if you are off just a few degrees at the beginning the farther along your journey the farther off the destination you get and the more difficult it is to get back on right the track to reach your goal.

    Here at the beginning Peter knew that the infant Church had to be founded on the Christ and its goals of presenting the one true gospel had to be adhered to or else as the Church grew it would not have the solid foundations of truth it needed for success. The same goes for each of our journeys from non believer to believer.

    The greatest stumbling block our own imaginations and designs to create a faith colored by our own views and not Jesus’.

    Keeping the gospel simple keeps us from not having to continually defend our personal views which most often causes delays in our journey and distracts from the purpose of the goal…telling people that their salvation is at hand.

    Steve

  2. foreverblessed says:

    Truth, the whole truth, God knows the whole truth, but for us we do not get the whole picture. We all see different things, and for the one This is the truth and for the other That, just a little different.
    Like we had the discussion on the literality of days, for some it is literal and for them it is the truth, for some it is spiritual and for them it is truth too. And God is Lord and Master of both of them, we stand for Him, He is the judge of our heart. Rom 14:4
    (I even have a bible verse which says the same
    Rom 14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.)
    The whole passage is beautiful, it is like Mart wrote, about Christ talking to Peter: You follow me, you believe as you have been instructed by the Holy Spirit, how someone else is convicted about certain things, what does that have to do with you?
    Very good, as long as we believe that Jesus has come in the flesh, and that He is our Savior! Yes

  3. SFDBWV says:

    For those of you who follow Matthew’s journey and his spiritual struggles I would like to share this with you. After his morning weightlifting exercises this morning, tired and quietly resting with country music videos on TV, he ask me if we remembered to pray for Cheryl last night. I said we did and that settled him.

    Do all of us in those quiet times remember the suffering of others while still suffering ourselves?

    Steve

  4. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends –

    Amen Mart.

    There are issues that do not bear fruit when we tussle over them. Certainly, the Apostle Paul was thinking of some persons – and some unfortunate behaviors among members of the fellowship when he warned Timothy to steer clear of hazards to faith (1 Tim 1:18, 19). The shipwreck (hitting a huge pothole) concerns “holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power.” (2 Tim 3:5)

    Both Peter and Paul have a progressive list of virtues that are given (not taken or attained by) us that are guideposts in the journey of faith:

    Peter’s guide – 2 Peter 1:5, 6, 7

    Paul’s guide – Romans 5:3, 4, 5

    These are not natural attributes of the human heart and mind, but rather the building of godly character by the presence of Jesus in us.

    Moses sets up a guide for what can be argued and what cannot:

    “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.” (Deut 29:29) Wandering into a whole field of potholes is best avoided by taking onboard the gifts God offers us. We may then hold to revealed truth and jettison our own set of criteria.

    Perhaps a close, prayerful reading of Scripture will convince us of the need to examine our own motives periodically and adjust our course to the truth.

    Remembering those, as you remind us Steve. who struggle daily with debility and physical/emotional challenges. Prayers going up for Cherielyn, Matt, Bruce’s wife, Deb…

    Blessings,
    Maru

  5. poohpity says:

    Mart, …:-)

    Maru, that was indeed a blessing.

  6. BruceC says:

    Stve,

    The odd thing about suffering is that as a person goes through it they are more aware of what others endure.
    Those that hardly suffer at all may have a difficult time relating. Matthew is my prayers.

    In order to avoid potholes in life we need to constantly refer to the “Driver’s Manual” keep our “car” in good working order, and be considerate of other “drivers” who do not have the manual or are not as skilled.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  7. SFDBWV says:

    Here amongst our conversations we express *our* thoughts on any given subject. No matter what the subject or what we say it will always just be *our* thoughts. Even when Scripture is given it is most likely *used* to enhance *our* thoughts.

    Not one of us can boast of speaking for God as if giving God’s personal views.

    So it will remain our thoughts on any given subject.

    Jesus promises in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

    Two thoughts come to mind; first one has to have received the Holy Spirit in order to be led by Him, and secondly is there a difference between *truth* and *knowledge*?

    Moses being a prophet spoke for God as directed by God and so we are to accept what Moses said to be from God’s voice to our ears.

    Yet with the coming of Jesus came the fulfillment of much of what was spoken by God in the OT and though not done away with, sometimes changed into being seen matured through the eyes of Jesus and we who follow Him.

    We are not given the luxury of deciding what is unchangeable and what is not, that is God’s alone.

    In seeking the deeper understandings of Scripture and God’s heart we must keep the concept of why it is we seek this knowledge and what are our intentions of using it.

    Does it honor God, does it lead others to salvation, is it for our edification alone or for the use and purposes of God?

    If we get out of the truck when we drive up to a pothole and fill it in, we will have removed a pothole for those who follow behind us.

    If we seek to be used of God He will provide the truck, the material and even the pothole for us to remove for the ones who follow along behind us.

    Knock and it will be opened, seek and you shall find.

    Steve

  8. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Thanks for that, Steve. I was pondering about the weariness that can threaten to overcome our work for Jesus. There are always potholes — always deceptions seeping in like the water in the asphalt of the road. We can only sow to the Spirit and watch and pray for the eternal harvest. (Gal 6:8)

    The Apostle Paul would have to be a Jesus-follower who understands such a season better than anyone. He told the churches of Galatia: “Let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.”

    Promises from God are the gold standard of the universe. We may seek him with assurance that he provides all that is required day in and day out. (Hebrews 11:6)

    Maru

  9. poohpity says:

    To me it is such a pleasure to read what someone has written who has put time into knowing God and seeing the type of grace and peace they display in sharing what they have learned is glorious. I hang on their words but on the other hand those who do not understand the wonders of God’s forgiveness and mercy it is similar to running into potholes grieving the spirit. There is so much to discuss about what we are given to know yet staying stuck on the same road that has so many hazards going back and forth never changing direction without the desire to find out what another road may hold seems useless and unproductive.

    The basics of our faith are not all there is to discover. If Paul and Peter as well as other authors continually say, “as we grow in our knowledge” they must mean that our knowledge and understanding of God can grow and in turn we discover how immense grace truly is. If growing in knowledge brings the things that the Bible says it will then open my heart, mind and ears to hear and learn avoiding the things we may never have the answers to in this life time.

    I am not responsible for how anyone else responds to God or whether they desire to read God’s Word and grow in their knowledge only whether I search for God. Just as Jesus told Peter ““What is that to you? You follow me…” ?” having that thought in mind I can avoid potholes and hazardous road conditions. I have not achieved that yet cause I seem to let myself go down that road but awareness breaks down the wall of denial and forgiveness gives me hope that change will happen as long I continue to grow in my knowledge of God putting my past behind looking toward my glorious hope in the future.

  10. quietgrace says:

    Thank you Mart and Maru. Good thoughts to ponder. In my own pondering of potholes and looking back on my life I recognize that there were many potholes that could not be avoided, much like valleys. Divorce, professional disappointment, sudden death of a child, psychological abuse by a religious leader all while doing the ‘right’ things and following scripture and what I knew was God’s will for me were like times when we HAVE to go through a pothole because to avoid it my mean hitting a pedestrian or another vehicle.
    The Word of God tells/shows us how to live out our Christian life, but doesn’t say we shall not have potholes in our lives, just ask Job, or Matt.
    God’s riches blessings to you all today and peace multiplied.

  11. blestsparrow says:

    Peter reminds us to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ so we may be able to avoid the potholes and destructive heresies that are all around us. Such as the WOF preachers of today, name it, claim it etc…
    I see many in leadership today who have vast knowledge and degrees and titles, but is so lacking in grace.
    I see many who are blest with gifts but no grace. Having knowledge without grace is dangerous.

    Isn’t Peter warning for us to avoid the potholes of life we are to be on our guard of these false prophets who promise us great gain? Timothy said “those who teach godliness is gain from such turn away”

    When Jesus told Peter “what is that to you, follow me. Jesus was telling Peter to mind his own affairs and not compare himself and his trials to others.

    Several years ago my husband and I were going thru job loss,walking pnumonia, homeloss receving foodstamps etc… it was a very difficult time, but what made it more difficult was we had a Peter in our life who was forever calling us, interogating us and even driving two hours out of his way to come by and ssk us more questions etc….
    He really didn’t lighten our load but intenstified it. I believe (our Peter) meant well and his intentions were probably for good, but it really became very stressful and a bit humilating for his over inquisitiveness. He asked questions he had no business asking. We would have much more just appreciated his prayers without all the questons.

    Was Jesus saying to Apostle Peter… it’s not always wise to interfere into other’s lives or to be overly meddlesome in what I am trying to teach this child of mine. Mind your own business Peter, follow me and quit giving unsolicited advise.

    My husband would say so many times …. it’s not always best to share your problems with just anybody, because when you do they become involved and you have more problems.

  12. belleu says:

    I consider the potholes in my life to be depressed thoughts, bitterness, cowardice and lack of faith. These are huge potholes that I keep trying to avoid. This is my flesh warring against my spirit.

    Praising and thanking God is the answer to some of this. Reading the Bible and quoting scripture out loud always helps. I would love to never have these potholes pop up while driving through life, but those are my weaknesses.

    “The whole truth…” Only God knows the whole truth about everything. We see through a glass darkly. My first church used to say, “We have the truth.” They meant the whole truth and nothing but the truth. After I left, I visited a different church for about a year. A woman there asked me how I liked their church. I told her I was blessed by the sermons and music. She replied, “Yes, but we also have the truth!” If she had only known I had heard those words since I was a child.

    I think we need to be careful when we think we have the truth. Job’s friends thought they knew the truth about God. They must have been shocked to discover they were dead wrong. And I think they were sincere believers who loved God.

    Perhaps the whole truth isn’t all that important. When the disciples told Jesus about someone casting out devils in his name who didn’t follow them, Jesus said, “Don’t stop him! Anyone who is not against you is for you.” Luke 9:50

    Paul said, “It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill…But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice.” Philippians 1:18

    I think we can rejoice with Paul that Christ is being preached in the churches all over the world. Those churches all believe they are closest to the “truth” about God. Those churches aren’t perfect, but they are full of Christians who love God and want to serve Him.

  13. poohpity says:

    Peter seems to remember by what he wrote in his letters the significance of what our lives were like before we accepted the forgiveness that was shown to him even after his denial there was full restoration. When we remember, like from our last discussion, the forgiveness we have received and keep an eye on that need for continual forgiveness for the rest of our lives we will be more attuned to watching out for the potholes of forgetting to show that to others. Growing in Grace never stops and if we do nothing else the rest of our lives showing that to others shows that we have embraced exactly what that truly means.

  14. blestsparrow says:

    I read of an incident that happened to George Muller who ran an Orphan’s Home in England. It was said about Mr. Muller that he would never let any need be known unto man, only prayed his needs to God.

    One day he was praying to the Lord to please send some food for the day’s supply, for the orphan children. It so happened that some smart allick young boys was passing by Mr. Muller’s window and heard George’s petition. As fate would have it……. the boys went to a local grocery and purchased several loaves of bread and went by the Orphanage and threw the loaves of bread through an opened window……… Mr. Muller was estatic and said “thank you O Lord for your mercies and goodness”
    The smart allick young boys heard Mr. Muller and started laughing and said…… “we brought you that bread not the Lord”
    Mr. Muller then said ” well the Lord sent it and the devil delivered it”
    So the Apostle Paul was joyfull that sometimes even the Devil’s advocate can be a tool for God’s glory.

    God promised us “that when the Holy Spirit has come he will lead you and guide you into all truth” For Jesus promised we would know the truth and the truth would set us free. We would not be enslaved to men’s traditions and gemmicks that so often occur.

  15. poohpity says:

    Good story. Jesus told Peter that Satan had asked to sift him as wheat but when he turned back strengthen his brothers. Jesus knew Peter’s faith would falter although Peter was so impulsive in so many areas running this way and that but Jesus knew later in life through his faltering he would become stable in his faith to encourage so many in the redemption he found in Christ. Peter saw first hand how wondrous Jesus’ forgiveness is. Peter experienced the disillusionment of Jesus not doing things the way he expected so as he teaches us to be on guard for any teaching that leads us away from the truth found in that undeserved mercy.

  16. foreverblessed says:

    Sgteve, say Matt is teaching us a lesson:
    taking care of each other, praying for one another, that is the real truth, the real thing it is all about, us being christian,
    say thanks to him, thank him very much, and I pray for him too.

    Blestsparrow, I was very much touched by your story!
    To take heed of what you tell, and who you ask to pray for you. It happens to me a lot too, when I ask for prayer of my headaches, it sometimes wearies me out of all the advice I get, a lot of these things I already know and already had gone through. So most of the time I have to patiently explain, (I see this also as an advantage, me learning to be more patient).
    It also teaches me to not do the same to others when they ask prayer.

    About forgiven:
    There is one truth I start to lear: If you find somebody sinning, there are two possibilities:
    You have been forgiven for the same sin
    you have been prevented for doing the same sin

    If you have been raised in a christian home, like I was, and have obeyed the 10 commandments, then a lot of sins you have been prevented for doing, you have been in a save place. Sort of, because the deeper meaning of life, is not sinning, but having real deep love for everyone, and especially for the lost and sinning. How to have a sympathy for the sinning is something to be learned, a knowledge or do you call it truth? Peter learned this very fast, in his denial, I believe that Jesus did not prevent him from sinning there, to teach him real mercy, as Peter was going to be the leader of the gang who would preach the gospel, grace through faith in Christ.

    That was the learning for me, grow in the grace and knowledge, it says, not just knowledge, but knowledge of Jesus Christ!
    Jesus Christ is the truth and the real truth!

  17. SFDBWV says:

    Have been thinking about Mart’s very last paragraph in his opening topic; “Am thinking that knowing which unanswered, or at least arguable, questions to steer around is like driving to avoid deep potholes.”

    Having already stated that I believe as we come to such *pot holes* we need to fix them for those who follow behind us, I also recognize that some people are not prepared or ready to tackle some of the deeper mysteries of God or even of the scriptures and that attempting to *fill in* their missing understanding may cause harm, I can agree that in an open forum it may be best to avoid some issues…regrettably. That is if we see *pot holes* as *mine fields* afraid that one may blow up in our faces.

    So where does that leave us? Do we stick to kindergarten topics only? Or do we continue to push the envelope of our understanding in an attempt to find *revelation* knowledge, promised to all who seek it?

    I for one am not afraid to step off into the unknown areas of seeking to know more of God, because no matter where we find ourselves, we still find God.

    Steve

  18. Artle says:

    I was considering parking my car and wandering away, until I read foreverblessed and Steve’s comments this morning.

    Potholes teach us how to drive.

    Unanswered questions teach us how to trust.

    Arguable questions teach us perseverance.

    We can learn from all situations if our focus is on Jesus and seeking the true knowledge of our Lord. It may take forever and may not always be comfortable, but it is how it is. We consider topics and thoughts about “things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”. No wonder we sometimes appear in the dark, but we have Light before us.

    Instead of avoiding the uncomfortable, let us learn how to navigate through the tough stuff together. Kindness should be always at hand with a willingness to both listen and talk as thoughtfully as one is able. Learning how to do this will open doors, minds and hearts.

  19. oneg2dblu says:

    Good posts all… perhaps God’s truth if you will, sorry for mentioning such a touchy and many times an overated/underated/adulterated word as truth, because it appears a little different to each one depending on thier own preferred bent, but perhaps the only way for some to find this true word, is to also find themselves at the bottom of a pothole.

    All that being both percipitously and cautiously said, as long as God shows me the warning signs He posted in his guidebbook for a reason, and I reason that He implores me to share them with others, how can I worry about any fearing of their extreme reaction to being informed, rebuked, corrected, and unknowingly loved, in any way other than they currently believe, finding that even sharing opens up a huge crater where only a pothole, which should have been avoided by heeding the warning, is now filleed in by human repulsion, overection, and even rage for those who would rather dig deeper in their set ways, than ever being filled with his truth.
    Being called to be a filler of potholes on the highway of humanities already chosen path, can get you run over by those who will not adhere to the warning signs you posted saying, Work Zone Ahead.
    So, only keeping yourself fully clothed in the highly reflective Armor of God and praying that others that He has put in your path will see it as your only hope of ever helping others when you step into their path.

    Some may even see God’s word as some form of dirt being thrown upon them, and thinking to themselves, the dirty filler can only throw the dirt they carry themselves, and do not realize that God ha both provided the dirt, the hole, and the warning signs along the way, all provided just for them, who now prefer another truth instead.

    Gary

  20. oneg2dblu says:

    Great post Artle, we were posting at the same time using the same thoughts of finding truth, but differently, as we all share the our truth differently.
    Gary

  21. poohpity says:

    Traveling around as much as our family did when I was a child and all through High School we lived in about 10 different states and roughly 20 some cities which meant changing schools a lot. When I reached junior high they slowed down the pace to only 2 moves during each year 7-9 grades then only once a year in grades 10-12. Being the new kid in school all the time pushing for acceptance became the norm. It was not the kids that went to church all the time that accepted me, it was the kids that were outcasts themselves that were friendly, warm and kind. They knew how it felt to be different.

    When I started this relationship with the Lord I felt the same way at church. The one’s who had grown up in Christian families and attended church all their lives were the one’s who were not so accepting but the one’s who embraced the wonders of forgiveness and had a desire to grow in the Lord were the one’s who welcomed me with open arms.

    I saw first hand what Mart was referring to when he said, “In the potential risks of personal loss and destruction he helps his readers see what happens in the absence of the virtue, knowledge, self-control, patience, godliness (i.e. grateful reverence), brotherly kindness and love of Christ.” To me it may even be called the absence of Christ in one’s life. Watch how peoples lives change when they remember the gift that was given to them and the difference in “the ever present hazards—the degrading, self-destructive potential of following our own inclinations…”.

  22. oneg2dblu says:

    Ah yes, hanging with the misfits is easy peasy. Been there, done that!
    Who better to accept anybody who does not fit in, for they are already rejected by those who do the right things to begin with.
    Birds of a feather flock together, and if one does not fit in with them, they are also rejected from even being a misfit.
    Doing the wrong things is what attracts some to you and gives you favor with them, and doing the right things also attracts, but it attracts for different purposes.

    So it goes today, if your a sinner because you are living in your sins, your are totally accepted by the world who have that lifestyle as their default position.

    If your are a Christiian denying self and living in God’s ways, or obeying the law and rejecting the world’s way, watch out!

    The world will hate you just as it hated Christ!

    If you win over the world by being one of them, what have you really accomplished for God if you do not live godly yourself, and where is your witness then?

    By showing any evil how much you love or accept it, is not really ever serving God, but Satan may be quite pleased.

    I know Jesus loved and ate with the tax collectors, but I do not think he also sinned as they did to do so.

    He both mingled and separated himself form them becuase He lived fully obeying and under the Law.
    Gary

  23. cbrown says:

    Gary,you went to a different high school than Pooh and I. The people who did the right thing were not part of the established order in my school.
    Everyone except the Christians were compelled to flock together. The Christians did stand out though and tended to be friends with everyone.

  24. poohpity says:

    Sorry to disappoint you Gary but I am one of those who through the merciful rescue of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have been given the immeasurable opportunity to spend the rest of my life growing in the grace and peace of God.

  25. quietgrace says:

    Poohpity I am one who was rescued by Christ at 30 and had 30 years of sin and corruption to work through and still do, 30 years later. When I first became involved in church I was so happy and felt so free and really enjoyed the fellowship and love of other Christians, until my husband rejected me (because I became a Christian) and we had to divorce. He became physically abusive actually. Well, in church I was put to shame, told God hated divorce from the pulpit, and told not to mention it out loud because one of the youth leaders’ children didn’t know any divorced people and didn’t want them to be tainted.
    I get it, I really do, about spending too much time with people who are still practicing sin, but sometimes the church does take it too far in thinking they are pleasing God by condemning their sisters and brothers who really are trying to live the faith.
    I think I am still wounded by that experience, and although I have tried through the years to attend church regularly those glaring words from the pulpit and others seem to have branded me. So, I am quite content to sit at Jesus feet and pray for those also suffering in silence and solitude, as I know Jesus understands them, as I do.

  26. poohpity says:

    cbrown, I went to high school in the south and in the name of Christ were the ones who caused racial hatreds and oppression but you are right not all of them were like that, there were those that rebelled against their parents/establishment which were in the group that embraced the mind, hearts and souls of the forgiven.:-)

  27. poohpity says:

    Yes quietgrace those are the kind that forget or did not feel like they had much to be forgiven for, so they seem to feel they were better at judgement than mercy. They loved little.

  28. blestsparrow says:

    It seems to me that so many in the church world love to invoke shame to fallen brethern. Always pointing a finger or rejoicing in someone’s downfall. I so often think of that wonderful story where the Pharasee’s brought the poor woman taken in adultry and threw her down at Christ’s feet. They were just waiting for Christ to invoke shame, pronounce judgement and condemnation.

    Ever so lovingly he said “neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more”
    Christ took our guilt, our shame, our condemnation at calvary and all the potholes we fell into and all the future potholes we will get tangled up in.

    Self-Righteous individuals love to point fingers, critize,condemn and invoke shame or remiind you of a uncolorful past.
    Christ kept company with the outcast, the lowly, the ones who didn’t smell so nice. He chose the most unlikely to be a vessel fit for the Master’s use, those who were rugged and uncouth, those who studdered or swindlor’s, or even a murderer as the Apostle Paul.

    I once heard a minister say “I have a $50 dollar bill in my pocket and I am going to wad it up and step on it, and then I am going to take it and place it in the dirt and step on it again. Now how many of you would still take that dirty 50 dollar bill and spend it? Mostly everyone raised their hand. The minister then said…… you see friends the 50 dollar bill has not lost it’s value, it is still has a value of 50 dollars. So we as God’s redemmed get dirt and filth on us from the potholes of life. we are still of value and worth. Just need cleaning up.

    Christ actually gave the scorned woman back her dignity through his forgivness and love. By this shall all men know you are my disciples if you have love one for another.
    Not if you have degrees,super talanted, socially acceptable, live in the right neighbohood, drive the right kind of car and wear Ralph Lauren jeans. His Love covers a multitude of sins.

  29. remarutho says:

    Good Evening All —

    It seems to me talking about navigating a difficult patch is worlds apart from living through a difficult season of life.

    Whether I choose to chide another child of God or not, I need to call upon Jesus in spirit and truth (John 4:23, 24) if I hope to make it through the trials of living out his calling in me.

    When we speak of cases in conversation, we cannot possibly foresee where we will find ourselves. When we are pushed out to the margins of society, we will surely find the Lord Jesus among those who sojourn there. (Matthew 11:28,29,30)

    I am always grateful when I am not the “target” of ministry, but rather am included in the work of the gospel! We cannot “fix” one another. It is the Lord Jesus who transforms. We cannot push the river. Who would drive over a pothole on purpose? Condemnation brings the danger of a broken axle, it seems to me.

    Maru

    Blessings,
    Maru

  30. remarutho says:

    Sorry BTA Friends! My neighbor came to the door. Forgot I had already signed off. :o)

  31. quietgrace says:

    Even though I was at one time involved in various ministries within the church walls, since my “shaming” I have had a period of homelessness, near debilitating mental illness, rejection by family and closest friends when I needed them the most, and yet, through all of this God had a plan for me. Since then I have worked with the homeless, mentally ill, battered women, unwed mothers, and dysfunctional families. The focus of the ministry God had planned for me is with those marginalized by society and sometimes the church. Wasn’t what I had envisioned for my walk with Christ, but I did’t know Him nearly as well as I thought until I really took Him seriously and said YES! I will go with You, maybe kicking and screaming at times, but YES.
    I spend a lot of time in potholes others have fallen into, and praise God He does too! Grace and peace to all.

  32. oneg2dblu says:

    Sorry pooh… I have no idea what you are trying to say here,

    “Sorry to disappoint you Gary but I am one of those who through the merciful rescue of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have been given the immeasurable opportunity to spend the rest of my life growing in the grace and peace of God.”

    So, I’m not to be compared to you because, “Your Sainthood” of living in grace and peace started much earlier than mine, but your life story as you tell it is one of many years of wrong choices after salvation, and mine is of wrong choices before salvation.

    I am not disappointed that our stories don’t align, or am not one who has also been rescued by God to walk in the same grace and peace as you.

    I’m also blessed!

    To your point, you said you were accepted by the outcasts and not the Christians, and I was only speaking to my experience and thinking of being accepted by outcasts. also.

    It seems your outcasts were the only ones who loved and the Christians did not seem to meet your definition of loving.

    Perhaps my thinking of what makes one an outcast is different then your thinking, but I did not hang with the Christians either, so if your position of sorry is given as one of encouragement and grace, then that comment was wasted on me, because I am also one of those saved from that path of wasting my teen years by hanging out with the outcasts of my era, but I was not saved back then, and you were.

    I walked in my life of sin as unsaved until forty seven years of age, not at six years of age as you claim.

    I can not even compare my walk with God being it is so completely opposite of yours, but as cbrown declares, we did not have the same schooling either.

    Gary

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    blessedsparrow… there are Christians who love to invoke shame, and are rejoicing in the downfall of other Christians?
    Where?
    I do not see that stuff going on in my church, not in my circles, and not in any teachings or understanding I’ve been exposed to.
    They certainly are not Christian using those actions, but in name only do they falsely walk, for they are not following Christ or any leading of the holy scripture I’m familiar with, especially one that says we are to shame others and rejoice in their downfall.
    To me, real Christians are to share the word, obey the word, and Follow Christ only.
    If there is any “shame” involed in that process for a Christian, that would be evoked only through the conviction of the Holy Spirit placed upon them for change.
    But who are living in name only, won’t change their shame, for their shame is of their own propriety.
    We should all read today’s Our Daily Journey and get the real truth of the matter, settled in us once and for all by actual scripture, and not in the shame based actions or witness of any falsely self-labeled Christians.
    Gary

  34. cbrown says:

    Gary,at your suggestion I read “Our Daily Journal” for today 1/17 and it was good. Thanks for the suggestion.that is one of the RBC daily devotionals I had not read.

  35. belleu says:

    I think you must belong to a wonderful church, Gary. I think that is great. Like Blessed Sparrow and Quiet Grace,the church I belonged to had many people who loved to shame others about their conduct. In my church people were condemned for songs they sang for church, breaking the Sabbath (their idea of breaking the Sabbath) and getting sick.

    My husband got cancer and people told him (while he was in his hospital bed) he made himself sick by eating meat and he wouldn’t be saved. That was the final straw for him. I still went to church for a year longer, but all the unkindness and criticism got to me and I also left.

    As I’ve said before, I am sure there are beautiful churches out there. Frankly, I’m not interested in finding out at this late date in my life. I watch preaching on TV and listen to sermons online.

  36. Artle says:

    Enough is enough.

    If your name is not Gary, don’t read the rest of this comment. It is private, friend to friend.

    Gary. Read again what blessedsparrow said. Your listening skills are lacking and not for the first time. Your valuable insights are lost when people think you do not listen. I do not say valuable insights lightly! I think highly of you and admire your commitment and courage. You are obviously knowledgeable, but no one cares if they sense you do not care enough to hear what they say.

    Everyone: You read it anyway, didn’t you. Oh well. It’s a blog. What should we expect?

  37. SFDBWV says:

    Got up this morning to 4 new inches of snow and 10 degrees. Got Matt his Saturday breakfast of 4 classes of water and a small bottle of apple juice. Got him snugged up and kicked back in his big recliner with TV and I began the normal tasks of shoveling off the back walk ways gathering in the weather information and in due time plowing the roadways on my hill and my neighbors.

    Just as I were finishing up and putting bird feed out for the critters; I say critters because I get a lot more action than just birds feeding here. As I was saying as I was finishing up here came my neighbors two dogs, both girls and though full grown still puppies. They were all excited to come and say hello and experience the new fresh smells all around me and my feeding areas.

    My neighbor came out in the cold 10 degree air to try and coax them home; I told her good luck they are having too much fun.

    I could have yelled at the dogs or their owner for barking and running loose or gotten upset that they would be marking their visit in the manner that they do, but I just let them lick my hand and face and we all had a little moment of friendly fellowship on a cold snowy morning in January.

    They are just dogs they do what dogs do. My neighbor doesn’t want them to be a bother I know, so instead of having bad feelings everyone went on with the morning with a smile.

    When we learn that we have the ability to *create* smiles instead of frowns on another’s heart we learn to absorb a great many things in order to *create* that smile.

    Steve

  38. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    28 deg. F this morning. Frosty and foggy in our valley. Forecast to clear off and be sunny when the mist burns off.

    A very good word, Steve! Thanks. With the massive cosmic forces swirling around our solar system, galaxy and universe, what is there for us except to take care of one another day by day?

    More flies with honey than with vinegar! Or, “When they give you lemons, make lemonade.” :o)

    Blessed Day to Everyone,
    Maru

  39. poohpity says:

    It is 45 degrees here this morning looking forward to the high of 75 later.

    It is so wonderful to look forward to a place and time that all evil will be gone. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could give all those who come in contact with us a glimpse of the grace and peace we have received rather than putting potholes and hazards in their paths. We all have a chance to make unwarranted turmoil and confuse issues if we forget the blanket of mercy we live under. We can draw people to share in that warm, secure, safe place under that blanket or push them out in the cold with gnashing, bitterness, strife causing a picture of hell on earth rather than bringing a piece of heaven into their lives.

    None of us can live out the laws given to Moses perfectly but many expect others to do what they themselves are unable to do and if we could Jesus would not have had to go to the Cross. Some make a choice to “try” to live under the old covenant rather than the new that was exactly what Paul confronted Peter with in Gal 2:15-21 NLT. That is a big pothole for believers and obviously it was a problem then and it still is today. The frown and hardened heart that comes from living in our own effort and the smile and joyful heart that comes from allowing the Holy Spirit to live through us will cause us to be forever mindful of what was done for us and that is what we can give away.

  40. poohpity says:

    Paul was a Pharisee strictly trying to follow the law and that is what caused him to persecute Christians. Jesus showed him that he could not earn God’s love, forgiveness and mercy it was offered as a gift to the undeserving. Growing in that knowledge seems to be what Peter was telling us and believing that will lead to the characteristics of “virtue, knowledge, self-control, patience, godliness (i.e. grateful reverence), brotherly kindness and love of Christ.”

  41. quietgrace says:

    Beautifully said Poohpity and a great reminder that none of us is perfect or has reached Perfection but that we all must search ourselves and be courageous enough to let God search us to root out the evil that still lurks and often lies within. As a student of psychology it’s frightening and at the same time humbling to realize that we all have an “unconscious” mind that pushes us to do and say things that cause harm to others and ourselves. I believe the Holy Spirit roots out the junk (sin, bad habits, unhealthy living, etc) and for that I am so thankful.

    Reading this blog I am reminded how difficult it is sometimes to understand the intent of the writer, which is sometimes lost in the readers’ own experiential maze of life experience. I sometimes have to read and reread an entry to try to understand what is being said.

    That said, I have one more thing to say that is easy to understand for a lot but not all. It is very cold here and snowy but sunny! There are blessings EVERYWHERE!
    God bless you all!

  42. Artle says:

    I offered the 12:47am comment for good, but it may not come across as such. Fact is a blog does not flow like a real conversation and it is hard to listen and hear sometimes.

    I could do better myself.

  43. SFDBWV says:

    In a twist of word play pooh I pity you having to deal with 75 degrees in January. It dropped to 08 degrees here and now has warmed up to a nice comfortable 11…Looks like that will be the norm for most of the next several days.

    In reading all the comments this morning it saddens me that so many people here are casualties of the pain caused by others.

    I have an old short prayer that I often use and I will once again share it with all who may need to use it. It goes like this;
    “Oh Lord give me strength but do not make me hard hearted, thank you amen.”

    Steve

  44. oneg2dblu says:

    In this life we will have troubles, pursections, and just be treated wrongly by so many others who live in this world.

    Christians who live in the world as though they are worldy are no different than those who are non-Chrisitan and live in the world as worldy.

    If Christians do not challenge, exhort, correct and judge each other in the church, using the word of God to justly help each other to live right, then we can not expect that the world will either, and more worldly darkness will creep in be everywhere, even in the church.

    Paul was writing to the churches to keep them as set apart, holy, pure, and right living, and following the word of God.

    If Christians acting like the rest of the world were acceptable in the church to Paul, he certainly did not write as though he felt that way.

    I can only speak for my own experience, but when any church starts looking too worldly, as in anything goes
    and all things are acceptable, I move on.

    Can I misread another’s words or intention? Of course!

    Maybe others here may do the same at times.

    If we can misread the word of God, we can certainly misread the words of common man.

    Have a great day, Gary

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    I do not know what pursections are…but persecution is very alive today. In fact it is every where.

  46. poohpity says:

    Persecution is alive today because of faith in the Truth but many who think they are persecuted are not pushed away because of their faith but for their obnoxious, un-Christlike behavior. May God’s grace, mercy and forgiveness be found for the latter.

    David did not ask God to examine the heart of Saul or anyone else but to look within his own. Psalm 139:23-24 NIV

  47. oneg2dblu says:

    Pooh @ 104pm… “Paul was a Pharisee strictly trying to follow the law and that is what caused him to persecute Christians.”
    Very true, Paul WAS a Pharisee.

    Let us also be reminded of this…
    That was when Paul was clearly misguided by his position and using the law in an unsaved condition, but he repented and turned from his wicked ways, returned to God, and to finally following Christ.

    He then became a most awesome church planter, and instructed quite clearly exaxctly what the churches should teach, the order of heirarchy and what it should look like, and how they and all the brethren should walk in it, more so, then any other we know of in the bible.

    He wrote such a large part of the New Testament that his words, directed by the Holy Spirit, fill all the churches we know of today that truly Follow Christ, and follow Christian living, and he was the greatest Grace teacher aside from Christ himself, no others compare.

    Following God’s law and God’s will is following Christ, for Christ came to show us how to obey and fulfill that law and His Fathers will, where disobeying or discrediting the law, would be following someone else, not God.
    In My Humble Opinion
    Gary

  48. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    Cold coming here soon too. I dream of spring! Dealing with a bug that hit me a few days ago. Not flu though.

    Gray,

    Just how much of the law are we supposed to obey?
    I live near a person that thinks that once we are saved we need to obey the entire law, including the Feasts. I asked him if he obeys it in total, like animal sacrifice for sin, stoning, etc. Didn’t get an answer.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  49. oneg2dblu says:

    BruceC… I would say the very laws you now obey, for starters, and any others the Holy Spirit will convict or lead you to obey.
    Or, I could take another approach and answer by asking you, What laws does the Holy Spirit tell you not to obey?
    That would be a better answer for you, better than any man can provide.
    Gary

  50. foreverblessed says:

    Have been telling my story before, of keeping the Sabbath literally, and growing into the deeper meaning that when I live in faith in Jesus that then I actually LIVE in the Sabbath, and am never out of it, so then I keep the 4th commandment to the fullest,
    Col 2:16-17, Hebrews 4:8-10 resting from my own works, now living in faith in Him
    And I do not have to keep it literally anymore, from friday sunset to saturday sunset. That is a conviction I have been led to believe, but I found that many christians do not have that same conviction, and keep a Sunday holy, and Christmas day.
    And yet we are all His children.
    Rom 14:4-5,6-7
    We should love one another, do not argue, pray for this person, but love one another, despite the differences, John 17:21-23

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