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What are We Hearing?

DSCN0794_SnapseedWhat do we hear in the words of a king who sobs over a son who died trying to overthrow his own father, “Oh Absalom, my son Absalom, if only I had died instead of you”? 2Sam 18:33

Is the emotion similar to what we hear in the boldness of a leader who asks for his own name to be removed from the book of the living— if God will not forgive the supplicant’s calf-worshipping family? (Exo 32:32)

Or what are we to think when the Apostle Paul says that he could wish himself cut off from Christ if, by the sacrifice of his own life, he could somehow rescue his brothers and sisters from unbelief? (Rom 9:3)

Could each be helping to tell the story of a far greater cry,  “My God, my God why have you forsaken me?” (Matt 27:46)


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    Mart a few subjects back we were talking of how deeply we loved those in our lives and I questioned whether people actually loved God with that same deep emotion.

    All of the examples of Scripture given show just how deeply those emotions go.

    In truth I have always and still do believe the quote from Jesus as He hang on the cross given in Matthew 27:46 is a direct reference to Psalms 22:1. Even as He was suffering death He pointed the crowd to why this was happening, for their belief and understanding.

    However in Luke 23:34 here I think Jesus speaks of the love He has for us all, all those who had Him nailed to that cross.

    There in those moments *only* He could both ask forgiveness and give it as a way of atoning and healing the brokenhearted.

    Steve

  2. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends –

    The great love shown by David, Moses and the Apostle Paul can only come from God. Each of these leaders, the first two before Jesus’ time, and the third one after, deeply desire for those they care for to understand the love God has for them.

    The self-sacrifice offered is the sounding of the great promise of a new covenant between God and God’s people. (Heb 8:6) God intends to show mercy toward our iniquities, and to remember our sins no more. (Jer 31:31-32)

    What we are hearing in the compassion of these three patriarchs is the voice of God, it seems to me. In the end, Jesus, God made flesh, bears it all for all time for all who trust him and believe in him. He bears the death blow that leads to new life. We are hearing the Good News of our deliverance from the outer darkness.

    Joy at Holy Week!
    Maru

  3. bubbles says:

    Hebrews 13:5 gives us the promise He will never leave or forsake us. We don’t deserve this promise. Then we see Jesus on the cross crying out, “. . why have you forsaken me?” The Father forsook His own Son, and yet promises to never forsake us. This breaks my heart.

  4. quietgrace says:

    The human ego is a very strong and powerful thing. Job 13:15NIV “Though He slay me, yet will I hope in Him” also comes to mind as suffering takes us to the point where the only way left to go is to God. Whether by means of remorse, guilt, shame, or extreme physical/mental torture God has His way of making Himself known. And what a comfort He is. We can all rejoice in the beauty of an amazing God who comes through for us all even in the worst of circumstances.

    The severe agony, though, of the loss of ego-self cannot be denied, as echoed by Jesus’ words, “why have You forsaken Me?”….painful and telling at the same time.

  5. poohpity says:

    Those who desired that they would give up their treasure of a relationship with God if only family, friends or neighbors would find Him. Christ gave up that closeness to the Father when our sins caused Jesus to be separated for a time from the very essence of who He is. He was “willing” and did it. What I am hearing is that each person is worth what Jesus did because God so loved the world. Did they/we deserve it? No, but He did it out of His great Love for all mankind to have a relationship in the here and now and forever!

    David, Moses and Paul wished but knew nothing they could offer God was good enough, only Jesus had what it would take, a sinless offering. He left a place of highest honor and deity, the Creator, to mingle with creation. If we were not shown enough love by creation itself now there is proof because their is no greater love than to lay down your life for an ungrateful, undeserving lot but yet highly valued and loved. Go figure! Awesome aint it?!!

  6. poohpity says:

    Any parent who has had an unruly child or any child who has had an unruly parent they never stop loving them, no matter the pain caused. People make excuses for them or try to make it sound better than it truly is but there is still this connection or bond that still desires their love even if the other is incapable of giving love in return.

  7. foreverblessed says:

    Last night I was part of a Seder evening, or Last Supper. With a liberal jewish family.
    It was very inspiring.
    They started at half past 6, and start telling what the evening is about, the deliverance from the enslavement in Egypt.
    There is a Seder plate in the middle of the table with the bitter herbs, a bone of a sheep, and others things. And of course: matzes, the unleavened bread.
    They sing many songs, most of them prayers, thanking and praising God.
    4 times the glass of wine, or sip of wine, for remembering different things
    at half past 8 the supper starts. With the unleavened bread, all sorts of things going on it, salads, cheese, meat.
    You can find the rituals in Wikipedia, called: Haggadah.

    What I found interesting is that at the end they sing Hallel, songs of Praise,
    which are Psalm 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118
    all in Hebrew, it was also phonetically written with translations, so I could sing too, and understand what was in the Words.
    Then one jewish man told me, that this evening was also kept by Jesus, the Last Supper.
    Could Jesus and the disciples also have sung all these Psalms?
    Then Jesus sang Psalm 118:24-29 NIV, just before His last day on earth started, that is awesome.
    That means Jesus was singing that He was joyous! He was not only giving His life for us all, He was also doing it joyfully!
    -This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.- v24
    His joy was the knowledge of all the saved soul because of His great sacrifice!
    What is the light God showed us: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.
    So a joyful procession to the altar, that is what Jesus sang with His disciples.
    The last Psalm that is sung is Psalm 136

  8. bubbles says:

    forever~the verse in Ps. 118 about “This is the day that the Lord has made” is very touching knowing that Jesus sang this knowing what was about to happen. Amazing.

  9. Artle says:

    Jesus spoke for us so we would never need to ask the same question.

  10. SFDBWV says:

    “What Are We Hearing”

    I liked the comparison of Moses, David and Paul’s voice being a reflection of God as offered by Maru.

    Because this is how I see the Bible written; God exposed in the characters whose lives from birth to death are played out exactly as God willed. All the peoples and stories interwoven and become a living Word.

    The Bible is more than just a story, but still is a story.

    Job would have rather never been born than suffer the heartache he was to endure, yet even though God would restore Job, that heartache became a part of who Job became as a result of it.

    The relationship between God and Moses is a very good study as it reveals a great deal about God and reflects not only Moses’s struggles, but our own as well in walking with God.

    David who came to be called “The apple of God’s eye” was as flawed as any one of us, but like most of us loved with a deep emotion and passion.

    Paul would give up his own salvation for the salvation of his family.

    These men showed how deeply they loved; they loved enough to be sacrificed for it.

    Like most see the face of a broken hearted Abraham about to sacrifice Isaac as a reflection of the face of God on the same spot Jesus would be sacrificed many years later. These men show the heart of God.

    I believe we can receive that love from God, but never return it as deeply as God has given it, only a reflection of it.

    We *begin* to understand it in how we love those in our own circle of people we love in family and friends. Imagine how it will be when we are reunited with God in that future time when there will be no more tears.

    Steve

  11. bubbles says:

    It’s hard to believe BruceC is gone. I miss reading his posts.

  12. poohpity says:

    The really fascinating part is Moses’ love was not just for family and friends but for thousands of people most of whom he hardly knew and spoke against him at most every turn. David’s love was for a son that tried to take away his throne and slept with his father’s wives in front of the people of Israel to bring shame upon his dad. Paul was speaking of Israel who turned their back on, yelled for the crucifixion and rejected their Messiah.

    What do I hear? I hear of a love that goes past those who return it but given to even those who may be enemies and so undeserving like me. I was once an enemy of God but did that stop the show of His great love for all mankind? NO!! Even Malchus who came charging after Jesus to arrest Him but Jesus touched his ear in love after Peter cut it off.

  13. poohpity says:

    “Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
    Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” Romans 5:7-11 NIV

  14. quietgrace says:

    In John 12:47 NIV Jesus says he did not come to judge the world but to save it. Judgement has to do with condemnation. We are not to judge (condemn) each other either. Not speaking to any person here, just more thoughts on an ongoing conversation.

    Celebrate the glorious light of Christ in this world! Grace

  15. oneg2dblu says:

    I think what we are hearing is that there already exists a type of relational love that is so powerful that in its purest form, (its love of another,) it would rather suffer itself then see the other half, or its object suffer.
    Selflessly unrelenting in its ability to forever want to forgive anew in every challenged circumstance.
    Always loving by default, or without any conditional prerequisite or any reset.
    It is the, “I’m going to love you anyway and you can
    not do anything about it.”
    Self-evident, complete, abundantly flourishing, Divine, Agape, Absolute, all Powerful.
    “It is finished,” type of love. Gary

  16. Artle says:

    I think we all hear different things, or maybe not so much that we hear different things, but that the voice sounds different in our different ears with our different life backgrounds. We have different experiences, so there is no way for us to see things exactly the same way. Neither a bad thing, just something to recognize and perhaps explain away some of the confusion that occurs when we think someone else is “not like us”.

    Some topics do not mean that much to me, but I see they resonate with others. There seem to be more differences than similarities across the world of Christianity, which I suppose may be a natural result of different ears and eyes.

    Jesus has a way, though, of making all the faith sought sounds and sights arrive at the same conclusion and that is that He is Lord. All the other noise that does not point to Him is of not much use.

  17. poohpity says:

    Artle, true dat. Jesus is the One thing we have in common coming to the same conclusions for those who know Him. He has worked the same in each persons life down through history yet so personal that He works individually as in coming to where each person is at and guiding them unto His truths with His unity of purpose and goals for all mankind. That unity seems wrapped around letting everyone know just how much He cares and loves each individual so that all will one day share eternity with Him. All praise, honor and glory to our God!

  18. poohpity says:

    Steve, praying all is well with you also with everyone else who has not commented you are greatly missed.

  19. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    I am hearing some over here speak about “the extras” or “add-ons” of observing Ash Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday and the Easter Vigil (Holy Saturday Night) as though these were man-made ideas that focus on Jesus’ death – instead of the New Life He brought into the world by His resurrection.

    We have an all-too-human tendency to rush to Easter Morning to grab the prize – the free gift of New Life in Jesus, skipping the journey described in the Gospels of Jesus’ resolute walk toward Golgotha. From somewhere, I hear the gentle bump of knees landing on the floor – the sound of all who follow the Lord wherever He leads!

    Since Jesus walks with me every step of my earthly journey, through troubles, loss and grief – as well as through the good times of joy and thanksgiving – can I stay with Him the forty days from Galilee to Jerusalem? There he made the most important, universe-changing sacrifice ever. Where did Moses, David and the Apostle Paul learn to live out extraordinary love of others except through devotion and surrender to God?

    As Lent 2014 draws to a close, I pray more and more people hear Christ’s calling, and I hope I get to hear about it. It is the Good News.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  20. Artle says:

    Combination of collective thoughts came together after reading Maru’s 9:50am comment.

    God turns the world upside down and inside out; opposite of what the world thinks is going on. Those who crucified Jesus celebrated the moment and what they thought was a great victory, not realizing how truly wonderful the moment was and how utterly great the victory really was, not only for themselves but for all peoples.

    Never before that moment would the emptiness within the heart of man have a chance to be filled.

  21. poohpity says:

    Is there anything we can sacrifice to God for forty days or forty years that can gain His favor? Do we have anything worthy to offer the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords to earn His love? It seems because we are so focused on material, tangible, temporal we presume to think God is also taken in by these things and can be swayed by self abnegation even though He has already told us what is required yet it is so simple that we may feel or think it is not good enough.

    What did He show to the woman caught in adultery; to those who were filled with demons; to the one so close but who denied Him; to the soldier who came to arrest Him; to each sinner who was, is now or is to come?

  22. remarutho says:

    2 Chronicles 7:13, 14 is a dear promise, especially in these days when the Temple of Solomon is no more and the Temple that is Messiah is about to be raised up on the third day from today. (John 2:19) It is even now being rebuilt.
    Maru

  23. cherielyn says:

    Introspection today – thinking on the meaning of the day – Christ’s crucifixtion. It is unfathomable to me that He died not only for my sins, but for the sins of everyone in the world! Oh how I love Him!

    Thinking & praying for everyone here. I also miss BruceC. Praying for Mary Lou (Mrs BruceC). Mary Lou, if you are reading this, it would be nice if you would join us.

    Today is my 27th day pain free! Saw the neurologist yesterday & can not start reducing my medication. If pain doesn’t return, I will be off of it completely by the end of May.

    Praying that all will have a wonderful Easter as we celebrate Christ overcoming death making eternal life available to all who believe.

  24. poohpity says:

    “What can we bring to the Lord?
    What kind of offerings should we give him?
    Should we bow before God with offerings of yearling calves? Should we offer him thousands of rams and ten thousand rivers of olive oil? Should we sacrifice our firstborn children to pay for our sins?

    No, O people, the Lord has told you what is good,
    and this is what he requires of you:
    to do what is right, to love mercy,
    and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:6-8 NLT

    Hosea 6:6 NIV; Matt 9:13 NLT

    Cheryl, thank you for sharing your wonderful news.

  25. SFDBWV says:

    Cheryl I am glad you have a good report on your health. How are things with Mike?

    Thank you pooh for your concern, life has just been a little overwhelming these past few days and if I miss my opportunity to say something in the morning I am pretty well done with the computer. At this moment I sat down to shut things off and scanned over the comments and thought I better say hello.

    Today is a triple “Good Friday” for us. Matt calls the last day of his exercise month “Good Friday” today *is* “Good Friday” and it is my mother’s birthday, she would have been 100 today.

    Matt weighed in today and lost another 3.2 pounds making his weight loss 160 pounds since he began, He is now down to 245.

    I do hope all have a wonderful Easter weekend.

    Steve

  26. remarutho says:

    Easter Joy to All Here —

    My mother would also have been 100 years old this year, Steve. I celebrated her life on March 30th. She was born in 1914 — which year seems far gone in our instantaneous nano-second universe!

    So glad for the healing report, Cheryl. We have experienced much restoration and preservation over here so far this year. Blessings on the memory of BruceC as we celebrate the miracle of New Life. Consoling Holy Spirit, please enfold our friend Mary Lou C.

    May each BTA Friend experience great deliverance and refreshing at dawn on Resurrection Sunday!

    Yours,
    Maru

  27. oneg2dblu says:

    cherielyn… great news to hear about your progress.
    Yes, reflective today, somber actually, thinking of our Savior now dead and buried. The state if mind of His Disciples and followers not yet understanding that the Good News lies in waiting its rebirth, just as the world that does not yet know Him awaits theirs.
    Thinking about those who were lovingly preparing the needed elements to embalm the dead body.
    No different than any of us when we get the news of impending death, or a really adverse report from the doctor.
    Our God is still in the miracle making business and stones are still being rolled away daily, as the Born Again leave their darkened Tombs of Unbelief and come out into His Marvelous Light when God Awakens those who Slumber, and every Newly Awakened Soul is truly a miracle.
    How nice to get some good news today…
    Gary

  28. cherielyn says:

    In my earlier post, I said, “Saw the neurologist yesterday & can not start reducing my medication.” I meant to say that I can NOW start reducing my medication.

    Steve, tell Matt congratulations on his fabulous progress on weight loss. Does Matt have a specific goal in mind?

    My goal, once I am off my medication is to lose the approximately 25 pounds that I gained between November & February, due to the steroids I had to be on to control brain swelling after the radiation treatments.

    Thank you Pooh, Steve, Maru & Gary for your comments.

  29. poohpity says:

    Steve, you will to send me a new picture of Matt all I have are the old ones 160 pounds ago. Tell him I want to see those guns now, lol!

  30. poohpity says:

    I meant to say, will you send me a new pic. ooops!!

  31. street says:

    we are hearing a heart transformed by God’s Spirit that intercedes for the lost. Charles Spurgeon says something like if we have no concern for the lost we should question our own salvation or that we don’t have it.

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