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What Are We Celebrating?

Today is the last day of the Jewish cycle of Fall Holidays (Holy Days).

Tonight ends the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) in which Jewish people erect small shelters to remember how they lived off of the provisions of God during their 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

Yesterday, in a modern expression of this holiday, Christians came from all over the world to march in an annual Jerusalem March to show support and solidarity with Israel. It seemed clear that many followers of Christ came from all over the world to express grateful affection for the nation that gave us our Scriptures and our Messiah.

Since arriving I’ve posted some thoughts on the prophet Zechariah who predicted that God would someday make Jerusalem a heavy burden and that anyone who tried to remove the burden would not escape unharmed (Zechariah 12:3-4). I went on to say how moved I was by the way Zechariah went on to describe a nation that would go into deep mourning (as if grieving the death of a first born son) on the day that the Lord gives them a new heart and ability to see “me whom they have pierced.” (Zech 12:10).

Here’s another thought. While here we are also working on a couple of video presentations on “the problem of suffering and evil.” In the process I’ve been reminded that “evil” is not just moral, philosophical, and theoretical in nature. “Evil” has a scope of meaning that includes that which is burdensome, marked by labor, annoyances, hardship and peril.

Who then is evil? Who is creating a heavy burden for themselves and others? Is it only the sociopath who has no conscience? Is it only those who are doing intentional harm, or those who are the most depraved and devoid of reason? Or could it also be said of those who are trying survive—on their own—without depending upon, and aligning with, the wisdom, purposes, and Spirit of God?

Now look back at the prophecy of Zechariah. First God says he will make Jerusalem a heavy burden for the nations of the world. Does this imply that he will do so apart from Israel’s own choices? Or will he use Israel’s own efforts to survive apart from God as a means of making her burdensome for the world, just as he opens Israel’s eyes to its own spiritual waywardness–as a means of finally bringing the nation to its knees?

Am thinking that we should not underestimate the capacity of Israel– like any individual, group, or nation– to make itself troublesome and dangerous to others—as a result of trying to survive apart from dependence upon the Lord.

As I try to personalize this, seems to me that the issue is not just the evil/burdensome capacities of a prodigal (wayward and lost) Israel, US, or the Palestinians. I want to become increasingly aware of my own potential to be burdensome, troublesome, an annoyance, or a“heavy rock” whenever I join anyone in celebrating a “we can do this ourselves” attitude.


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  1. Regina says:

    Good Morning All
    I’m the first to comment on this blog topic! :)
    Everytime that happens I feel like I need to get the ball rolling with an awe-inspiring Word or something…

    I’ll share a Bible verse that my Pastor shared with us on Sunday…”Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled” Matt. 5:6 NKJV

    I do realize that by the time I post this comment I may not be the first after all… Just happy to be able to share my thoughts too.

    Off topic here (haven’t read Mart’s intro comment; will comment on the topic later)…

    Heard the President say on the radio this morning that He had accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Think that speaks volumes to all the naysayers who keep refering to him as a Muslim. Could say more on this issue but feel it’s better (wiser) to keep my thoughts/opinions to myself.

    Blessings,

  2. foreverblessed says:

    I was trying to follow Mart’s question, and the title of the topic
    who is evil
    what are we celebrating

    Am I celebrating Jesus in my life?
    I start in the morning concentrating myself on Him,
    but during the day, doing my daily tasks, I can do them myself very well, without any help, and so I wander of from where I started. The muslims have to pray 5 times a day, or so, and that has a point, to come back to where I started, with Jesus, and not doing it on my own.
    I think that concentrating on celebrating life with Jesus is a disciplinary proces, you discipline yourself not to wander away from Jesus.

  3. xrgarza says:

    Mart in the first paragraph you say “after their supernatural deliverance from Israel” did you mean Egypt? Or did you mean it to be used as a metaphor?

    My father died 40 years ago this coming December, so I know first hand what 40 years feel like.

    Also not having a physical father in my life teaching how to be a man, I’ve had to learn the hard way. Still there is so much that I have not learned and may never learn.

    But I had to teach my son things I didn’t even know myself like “how to be a man” & now he’s teaching his son.

    On the other hand Spiritually my heavenly father, my hunger for mentorship has allowed me to learn so much from him.

    So what is evil? Not knowing, and not doing. In other words without a mentor you may not know right away what is right or wrong or good or bad.

    So as a result you may not do the right or the good.

    Which surprises me about the people of Israel, because they not only had God, they had Moses also. God call them a stubborn & stiffneck people.

  4. poohpity says:

    I think the attitude of “I can do it myself” reaches far beyond the simple statement. In our reading today in Ephesians 2 and Hosea God has reminded not just Israel but all of us that is not about what we can do but about what God does so we can not boast.

    God had Israel celebrate it’s deliverance from Egypt but they very soon forgot all His provisions and wanted what the surrounding nations had, other people to rule them rather than looking to God for all their needs. I have often said gee God just showed them that he would even provide food, water, protection from the sun, warmth in the cool of the night and constant guidance, yet they looked to other people and not to God. Then no sooner do I look at the things I do like try and work things out myself before God’s timing and His way only to understand that when I did it my way it has never worked out in the long run or the grand scheme of things. God continues to let us do things our way until we realize it is not about us. Then the consequences of those choices hit us right between the eyes and cause much harm to us and everyone around us.

  5. Mart De Haan says:

    xrgarza, thank you for catching the typo on “Israel”.
    Sorry about that. I was rushing :-)…

  6. davids says:

    I refrained from posting in the last couple of posts, since many people already wrote eloquenlty and I didn’t want to drag things off-topic.

    Mart sums up his thoughts, “Am thinking that we should not underestimate the capacity of Israel– like any individual, group, or nation– to make itself troublesome and dangerous to others—as a result of trying to survive apart from dependence upon the Lord.”

    The mention of individuals and groups made me think again about the Pew study reported this week that only 20% of US Protestants know that Protestantism teaches that salvation is through faith rather than works.

    After finally closing my jaw, I realized that we are putting a stumbling block in front of people. We who profess, read scripture, teach, preach, serve, and pray. We contribute to the evil in this world when we try to take the speck out of someone else’s eye by discussing do’s and don’ts instead of speaking continuously about the centrality of God’s grace.

    We are failing the very people most receptive to His message of salvation by placing burdens on people. “Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees…they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”

    After attending a Baptist University, I came away thinking that Christians are the most judgemental people I know. Many people feel that way. Praise the Lord that he called me back.

  7. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    What are we celebrating?

    Jerusalem, the city of God!

    Jesus comes back to save Jerusalem.
    We, as a people, are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

    “I saw a new Jerusalem descending from heaven”

    He rode on a donkey into Jerusalem.

    That is where we will live for ever.

    All the wondering we do in the desert leads to Jerusalem.
    Abraham sacrificed Isaac in Jerusalem.
    Jesus died for Jerusalem.
    Get my drift?
    God will live with man forever in Jerusalem.
    That is where I will be.

  8. davids says:

    Mart also writes, “Does this imply that he will do so apart from Israel’s own choices? Or will he use Israel’s own efforts to survive apart from God as a means of making her burdensome for the world, just as he opens Israel’s eyes to its own spiritual waywardness–as a means of finally bringing the nation to its knees?”

    Not sure I understand to word “Or” there. To me the answer is “Yes”. God’s will is done apart from our choices, but our choices fit into God’s plan. God didn’t say, “I’ll choose Abraham and see how it works out.” He knew what Abraham would choose.

    It’s a bit of a mystery to me, but I don’t have to understand it. I only have to trust it.

  9. phpatato says:

    “””Who then is evil? Who is creating a heavy burden for themselves and others? Is it only the sociopath who has no conscience? Is it only those who are doing intentional harm, or those who are the most depraved and devoid of reason? Or could it also be said of those who are trying survive—on their own—without depending upon, and aligning with, the wisdom, purposes, and Spirit of God?”””

    I am stuggling with this one. Anybody who does not have the love of Christ within their hearts or the Holy Spirit to convict the wrongs is out of tune with God. Sins are not forgiven; they are not worthy to call Him “Father” because they are sinful.

    But can there be different levels to sin/evil or is all sin – sin – there is no difference.?

    Common sense tells me that a sociopath or someone depraved and devoid of reason is evil. Hitler was evil. Can it be said then (for argument sake) that once someone reaches the level of being a “Hitler” (a sociopath), they can be considered being demonic or possessed by a demon? But then someone who is struggling to survive on their own – in daily life – without depending upon, and aligning with, the wisdom, purposes, and Spirit of God, can it be said then that they are only sinful?

    Someone who is demon possessed surely can’t be on the same level as someone who is just sinful. Satan has demons for his army. The Bible tells of incidents where man has been demon possessed. Jesus even called one by name…Legion. Should the man who became possessed by Legion be to blame of becoming evil when it may have been that he could have just stayed sinful.

    It’s worded confusing because I am confused. Can anybody touch this one for me????

  10. poohpity says:

    If I may give my take Pat. I think the problem comes when we compare ourselves to other human beings with the thoughts of which sin is worse than any other. I think the bottom line is any sin separates us from God no matter the size of it. When we look around at others we then compare ourselves to them and not God’s Holiness. It is sort of like saying, “well I am not as bad as them so I am better than them”. There will always be someone who is better or worse but if we keep in mind who we are compared to Christ then we will realize the Grace we have been shown and the size of the sin then becomes irrelevant.

  11. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    Mart asked, “Who then is evil? Who is creating a heavy burden for themselves and others? Is it only the sociopath who has no conscience? Is it only those who are doing intentional harm, or those who are the most depraved and devoid of reason? Or could it also be said of those who are trying survive—on their own—without depending upon, and aligning with, the wisdom, purposes, and Spirit of God?”

    Mart’s last question brought to mind Atheists and Agnostics (also brought to mind sinners). They believe that they’re surviving on their own because they don’t know God and have no desire to know Him. Agnostics believe that there is a God, but they don’t believe (at least I don’t think they believe) that God created the world, universe, all living creatures, or that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Atheists don’t believe that God exists and certainly don’t give Him credit for the creation of the world, flora/fauna, and the universe.

    That being said, I don’t perceive them as being evil, just ignorant. Their state of mind brings to mind a Bible verse… “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6 NKJV).

    For others, who don’t identify themselves as Atheists or Agnostics but don’t “depend upon, or align with, the wisdom, purposes, and Spirit of God” do so either because they’re a *sinner,* they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, so they don’t know God or Jesus, or they know the Lord, but are controlled by carnal desires. The latter group brings to mind Jesus’ words, “The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Matt. 26:41 NKJV).

    Still, I don’t think either group (sinners/carnal Christians) is evil, just ignorant and spiritually weak.

    Blessings,

  12. Regina says:

    In my second paragraph, I wrote, “Mart’s last question… I meant the last question in the five consecutive questions that I referenced in my comment.

    Blessings,

  13. Hisgirl4life says:

    Good evening all…some great discussion going on and very indepth thoughtful comments.

    The verse that first came to mind when reading Mart’s “we can do this ourselves” comment is John 5:30. It is the words of Jesus speaking. “By myself I can do nothing. I judge only as I see and my judgment is just for I seek not to please myself but the one who sent me.”

    When we stand in judgment of others, usually if we are honest, we can see the very trait we judge within ourselves. There seems to be a very fine line between speaking the truth in love (I’m especially remembering those who may stumble and struggle with addictive behaviors or those who live in denial) and judging them of their sins.

    Erring on the side of loving others as brothers and sisters requires genuine honesty and boldness of truth. God truly knows the deepest inner depths of our heart’s condition and motive. He know when we are burdensome and causing pain in someone’s life. He also knows when we seek good for others. Like the prodigal son, each of us can be labeled as a prodigal for there is sin and rebellion within each of us.

    As Jesus words remind us, choosing to please our Heavenly Father instead of our self always brings great delight and glory to Him. It becomes a daily dying to ourself, a daily desire to live boldly for pleasing God.

  14. ballinkingston says:

    All, the Lord be with you.

    Mat 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    Peter was trying to disuade Jesus from following the path to the cross and Jesus was saying that it was a temptation to turn from that path. Peter was not a sociopath. I believe that Jesus’ words make it clear that any time we are not speaking or acting from knowledge or guidance of God we can be a stumbling block to others and perhaps worse. We can be like Satan who would have each of us turn from the path God the Father has laid our for us.
    In Jesus,
    Peter

  15. SFDBWV says:

    I am amused and confused….”What Are We Celebrating?” The heading of our topic.

    The question or scope of the topic being evil, Evil that either a person or a people bring upon another, or upon themselves.

    Evil given other names, such as “Burden”, still implied as evil.

    So what is it we are to consider here? Evil? Its other names such as calamity, disaster, etc?

    Or are we being ask why are we, as Christians, celebrating, as given in example by Mart, by marching in Jerusalem in a show of support and solidarity with Israel?

    Further, are we ask to consider whether evil is people attempting to exist without God?

    In trying to pick apart this for conversation, I see many many directions for the conversation to go. So then what do I do? As to not be drawn into a trap of seeming to add a burden upon another here by expressing my thoughts…

    I think that Mart’s real question is *Why* are we celebrating.

    Over the years here on the RBC blog the topic of Israel that exists as it is today, keeps coming up. An attempt to show us that, in Mart’s personal opinion, we are in error in choosing to befriend Israel because we are Christian, over her enemies.

    Are we then tricked into joining the evil that Israel’s enemies see in her actions and attitudes? If we should embrace Israel as our friend and ally.

    What then is evil? Is it the opposite of good?

    In Genesis 2:9, we read that God made to grow every tree, including the tree of the *knowledge* of good and evil.

    Somewhere between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:9 evil also came into existance. It already existed prior to a tree being grown that could produce a fruit that could open the eyes of man, of the differences.

    We read in Isiah 45:7 that God created evil.

    ” I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”

    Ok lets have a look at what evil can also be described as,… adversity, bad, calamity, displease, distress, grief, harm, hurt, mischief, misery, sad, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked, worse, wrong.

    I had a quick look at 27 different scripture verses that God Himself uses the word in usage from Himself. Some of which, the many names of evil are ascribed to from my discription of evil referenced above, are used.

    If I look again at John 1:3 it says all things were made by Him…*All* things, not some things.

    Again in my humble attempt to understand things around me and the impossible desire to understand God, I have come to understand that for every thing there is an equal or opposite reaction to them.

    Can we understand light without there being darkness to contrast it?

    Can we understand good without there being evil to compare it to?

    In Jer 42:10 God says ” For I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.”

    Is God subject to using evil that is generated from another? Without being able to make a decision to act upon His own will?

    So I will begin this topic discussion from here, it will go from me in several different directions, so I wished to lay down a starting base, so those of you who read my comments may know from where I begin.

    Steve

  16. SFDBWV says:

    So to begin, “What Are We Celebrating?” If we are being ask why we celebrate Sukkot, being Christian and not Jewish?

    I would have to say again that Christianity is the continued created religion from God to the Hebrew and on to the whole of the world through His Son Jesus of Nazareth…The Christ.

    In the famous arguement between Paul and the leaders of the Church in Jerusalem, Gentile Christians were relieved of the *burden* of the law. The law being the cerimonial adherence to rituals of diet and customs practiced by the Jew. However Jewish Christians were still to continue in the ritual practices as prescribed in their customs.Acts 15.

    So then why do we as Christians celebrate, or join in the celebrations of Israel?

    As Christians how can we be totaly seperated from the teachings and customs of the OT? Can we? Should we?

    We can as Christians see our Christ identified on every page of OT scripture, because the volume of the Book is written of *HIM*.

    The PAssover meal, known as the Seder, is never practiced or celebrated in my home, but I have recordings and explanations of it from RBC as well as other Christian sources. Why?

    I don’t need it to remind me of Israels Exodus, I have the fulfillment of the seder…The Christ Himself.

    But I learn and am encouraged by seeing the Hand of God in the OT and am further encouraged by these feasts rituals and customs, my faith growing because, I can see Christ in them, I can also be encouraged in the promises that Christ gives me in the NT.

    So in each celebration, such as the Sukkot, I am able to celebrate Christ, in them as well as in me.

    Steve

  17. cor13agape says:

    Mart you end with:

    “I want to become increasingly aware of my own potential to be burdensome, troublesome, an annoyance, or a” heavy rock” whenever I join anyone in celebrating a “we can do this ourselves” attitude.”

    Are you saying that you think by Christians coming going and celebrating with the Jewish people their feasts, that Christians are encouraging Israel, to be what many times over the past few years you have been writing about, how Christians needs to pressure Israel in being more compassionate to the Palatines..

    I never quite know where you are going when you write about this subject.
    One I am not gifted as you to share my thoughts on paper.

    Mart: you have and will be an inspiration to me; I get very frustrated when you speak on this subject as I feel you could cause a lot of people to go down a slippery slope here.

    I am concern how any group is treated, however it’s not a take on side problem, Palestinians are just as fault for there behavior as Israel. No two wrongs don’t make a right, however taking just one side because of compassion and not truth is not good either. We can enable the other side not to take responsibilities of their actions and the actions of their leaders

    You talk about people who have a can do this with out God attitude; can we as US Christians cast the first stone? Don’t the majority Christians of this nation have the same attitude as the Church in Revelation 3:14-18? Have we as Christians not trampled the Word of God under the pretense of being Political Correct, and by doing this have become “burdensome, troublesome, an annoyance, or a” heavy rock” So the world does not know the truth.

    Paul says in 1Cor 5 : 10 -13 very well how I Christians should handle the world. I could well be wrong but I believe that my attention should be to the body of Christ (the Christian Church) this way God can show the world through His true Church His true Nature, ( or HE can with can with out us)

    Hope I made sense here.

    Wish you weren’t such an imporant man, I would love to set down and talk to you one on one about this.

    You are in my prayers.

  18. poohpity says:

    What I understood Mart to be saying in his statement, ” I want to become “increasingly aware” of my own potential to be burdensome, troublesome, an annoyance, or a“heavy rock” whenever I join anyone in celebrating a “we can do this ourselves” attitude”. I understood that to mean it is not beneficial to direct anyone to a dependence on self, politics, government, greed, to achieve any provisions that God wants to do for us. When we rely on anyone but God the results are usually what is stated in Ephesians 4:30-31
    30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.

    Would it not be nice for us instead to be like Eph4:29 29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. verse 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

    Wow!!! if one really wants to see the difference we as Christians can be read “Our Daily Bread” for today along with Colossians 3:12-17. That would in no way, no how be a “burdensome, troublesome, an annoyance, or a“heavy rock”” to anyone that is what I believe Mart was speaking of. Those are the results of depending on God and relying on His Holy Spirit not one’s own agenda.

  19. SFDBWV says:

    “Who then is evil?” In 1 Samuel 15:23, Samuel speaking to Saul said that rebellion is as the sin of whichcraft and stubborness is as iniquity and idolatry.

    One of the inescapable realities of sin, is that everyone is guility of sin. There is not a single person in all of heaven or earth who is sinless…except Christ (Rev 5:3,4,5).

    Who then is evil? Any of us, all of us, some of us, certainly those of us whose heart is continualy centered upon themselves and not on givng to or serving others.

    Ironic that Pat mentioned Hitler. His name is synonomus with evil, yet in one or more of many of his speaches, he argued his case against the jew by claiming it was they who murdered *our* Lord.

    Who can escape the trap of doing evil? Whether intentionaly or not….In my opinion, none.

    When I think about the modern Israeli, I am saddened that so many are athiest’s, but am not supprised.

    In one of the stories Simon Weisenthal gave about the holocaust, he recounted a time when he was taken from the camp to a hospital, there in the hospital was a German SS officer who had ask to speak to a jew.

    The soldier wanted to say that he had joined the army to fight what he thought was evil against his homeland, but as he watched the total destruction of Warsaw Poland, and observed a Jew with his young son standing on the ledge of a building that was on fire.

    Then watched as the Jew held his son and put his hand over the youngster eyes and jumped off the burning ledge to their deaths on the street below…

    The soldier wanted to say he was sorry, and ask for forgiveness from Simon…who said nothing, only wept.

    I wonder often how many jewish mothers and fathers cried out to God during that terrible time in our history, only to hear silence followed by their death, or the death of their loved ones.

    No, I won’t judge the people of Israel for believing there is no God, nor believing that in order to survive they must be stronger than their enemy.

    It is just all so sad. Their’s as well as our savior, is only a breath away, we need only ask Him in.

    Though even our being Christian does not guarantee, we would escape the same fate as those of the jew.

    God is in control of our fate, especialy if we surrender our will to His.

    enough for now.

    Steve

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Pooh, for these verses,
    I do not understand everything that is written here,
    But are we evil?
    And I think I write in the line of what Steve wrote just above:
    Ecclesiastis 9:3 yea also, the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.
    v 1For all this I laid to my heart, even to explore all this: that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God; whether it be love or hatred, man knoweth it not..

    So without the grace of God we are evil,
    but thanks to Jesus we are free of condemnation:
    Romans 8:1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

    And thanks to God, He declared us righteous today, and tomorrow He does not say otherwise,
    He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

  21. foreverblessed says:

    I would like to add another verse of Ecclesiastes 9
    7Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God hath already accepted thy works. 8Let thy garments be always white; and let not thy head lack oil.
    9Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of thy life of vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all thy days of vanity: for that is thy portion in life, and in thy labor wherein thou laborest under the sun. 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, whither thou goest.

  22. poohpity says:

    Philippians 4:8-9 Fix your thoughts on what is true and good and right. Think about things that are pure and lovely, and dwell on the fine, good things in others. Think about all you can praise God for and be glad about. Keep putting into practice all you have learned from me (Paul) and saw me doing and the God of peace will be with you.

    Colossians 3:12-17 12 Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. 14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.

    16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts. 17 And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

  23. poohpity says:

    Solomon’s final conclusion in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Fear God and obey his commands, for this is everyone’s duty. 14 God will judge us for everything we do, including every secret thing, whether good or bad. Mart’s final paragraph shows the importance of looking within ourselves to see if we are teaching people to be dependent on God or on our own selves.

  24. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    Steve – Your thoughts on what we’re really celebrating, and your comment and scripture references on the difference between good and evil were very insightful. It brought to mind some scripture references…

    Luke 11:11-13 NKJV
    11) If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12) Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13) If you then, being *evil*, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!

    *This Bible passage also helps us understand the importance of the Holy Spirit in our lives, and His ability to protect us from evil (sin; wickedness) and keep us from committing evil acts against ourselves and/or others.

    Eph. 6:12-13 NLT
    12) For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
    13) Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm.

    Looked up the word, “evil” in a Webster’s Dictionary.

    Evil- adj. 1. morally wrong or bad; wicked. 2. harmful; injurious. 3. unfortunate; disastrous. –n. 4. evil quality, intention, or conduct; wickedness or sin. 5. injury or harm. 6. something causing injury or harm.

    Thinking of a verse in the Lord’s prayer…

    Matt. 6:13 NKJV
    And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one.

    Have a much better understanding of “evil” now. :-)

    The weather in Texas was beautiful today.

    Blessings,

  25. Mart De Haan says:

    Thanks to all of you for your thoughts. Am traveling now heading toward Haifa. Got a wireless at a gas station. Will try to answer some of the questions about what I am saying and implying, as soon as I get a chance. Thanks for your patience.

  26. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Regina, Weather here going into it’s autumn storm phase of wet and wind and high seas. It is good that the weather cycle is on track this year.

    Steve, I am enjoying your enlightened look at this topic, you have a gift of understanding and an ability to teach.

    Mart, It is good to hear from you. Safe journeys and may the Lord provide a comfortable wi fi place for your replies.

    Bob

  27. foreverblessed says:

    Mart, we sit here in our chair, with our cup of coffee, or tea, I would not say lazy, but relaxed. I pray that you be relaxed in Jesus.

    I will go on with the talk about what is evil, where Regina left us:
    We have been taken out of the evil world:
    Colossians 1:13
    For He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

    Could there still be some evil in us?
    Yes, I think so, but still loved and cherished by our Father.
    That’s why He disciplines us as a Father does to His son
    Hebr 12:4-6
    v4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood, and you have forgottten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
    My son do not make light of the Lord’s dicsipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you,
    because the Lord disciplines those whom He loves,
    and He punsishes everyone He accepts as a son. (citing Proverbs 3:11-12)

  28. SFDBWV says:

    foreverblessed, You certainly have a good understanding of evil and its place in us, thank you for your deep thoughts.

    Steve

  29. SFDBWV says:

    Some may believe it, some may not, but sometimes when the Holy Spirit works His work through me it is exhausting, always emotional and is followed by joy.

    But the joy aspect may be a little behind in its coming.

    I wonder if when Elijah killed all the prophets of baal, he he felt joy?

    He had done the will of God, but it could not have compared as to when he prayed and the widow’s son was resurected from death.

    Yet both were in concert with the will of God.

    I can’t imagine anyone disagreeing that the Passion of Christ was an act of evil done by evil men, yet it was the will of God as it pleased Him..Is 53:10

    It is written that the *fear* of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge..Prov 1:7

    Why should we fear our Lord?

    Let me say that, all of the story of life, all of the story of man, is not about me, nor you…It is about God and more importantly about Christ.

    Wars have came and went, and will come again. People will have trials and personal tribulations, if they are seeking God, those events are for their enrichment. If not, then their suffering will simply be part of life.

    We Christians are a peculiar people (1 Peter 2:9)in that we are called out of the rest of the world to be a royal priesthood.

    The events of God’s direction will go forward whether any of us do any thing or not.

    We are offered an opportunity to be set aside for God, but still must observe the rest of the world and are influenced by it as much as we influence it.

    I would like to continue but am pulled in several directions for the past hour, so I will sign off until another opportunity to talk comes.

    Steve

  30. poohpity says:

    Mart, looking forward to what you were implying or saying. Clarification is also a good thing because at times I misunderstand the topics. Be safe!

  31. poohpity says:

    Just as Jesus had to come and clarify what the teachers of the law had misinterpreted the meaning of scriptures to be. Who better to teach than the author.

  32. dja says:

    Steve: I agree with Bob-“I am enjoying your enlightened look at this topic, you have a gift of understanding and an ability to teach.” Thank you for taking the time to write. The Lord has given you a wonderful gift, and despite all the things you have to do, you are using your gift for His people.
    “Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.” -Galatians 6:1
    Thank you for taking the time to do good to those who belong to the family of believers!
    ~Della

  33. pegramsdell says:

    “Cause we are a family, whose hearts are blazing,
    so let’s raise our candles, and light up
    the sky….”

  34. plumbape says:

    Vanity is so anchored in the heart of man that….

    those who write against it want to have the glory of having written well

    those who read it desire the glory of having written well

    Blaise Pascal

  35. poohpity says:

    Very convicting for me thank you Michael.

  36. plumbape says:

    OOPS > can’t even write the quote well…,

    second line should be those who read it desire the glory of having READ well, lol

    I wasn’t referring to anyone at all, I think our enemy is within our self. Poohpity you always speak about our need to check our own heart and not judge others. You know I love ya and all the brothers and sisters here. Keep doing what you are doing and the Lord is pleased I think.

    I’m really not on the net a great deal of time but check in once a day.

    ps, there is a friends list on your Pogo profile, add me to it and you can see if I’m in a room and what game. Same screen name. I just play cards also.

    When giving a politician the key to the city and he falls from grace, let us not forget to change the locks….

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