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Lost You!?

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Let’s talk about what’s happening in the conversation following my last couple of posts. By using the literature model of author intention, plot, subplot, character development, mood, setting, conflict, resolution etc., I’ve left some of you with the impression that I’m being disrespectful of the sacred page.

That’s what I don’t want to do. I lost more than a few of you.

So I’ll ask for your patience and a chance to regroup. I know that many of you would agree that,  just as God chose to reveal himself in the body of a Man, he has also chosen to reveal himself by means of a true Story.

Just as Jesus was the best Man who ever lived (while at the same time being God in the flesh), so the Bible is the best Story ever told (while at the same time being the inspired Word of God). The implications are far more important than our conversation is showing.

I’ll take responsibility for that. I jumped into the McKee discussion without giving you adequate disclaimers. I led you down a path that I had not prepared you to follow. Our conversation never got to the point of the last post. I didn’t lead the discussion well. I am honestly sorry.

But the point of the true story of the Bible is too important to just “pass on” because I’ve run on without some of you in the woods.

If the “binding” and underlying message of the Bible is revealed to us in the form of a true story (history), can we then rightly read it as a  dictionary of religion, or as an encyclopedia of spirituality? My guess is that some of you might say, “Let’s read this book as no other book. This is the inspired word of God.” So I push back, “I agree, so how should we read it and make sense of it?”

Someone replies, “Let’s read it as true history combined with inspired sections of law, poetry, songs, proverbs, parables, predictions.”

I agree. So how should we read it? Since all of it was written to someone else, living in different circumstances, at least 2000 years ago, how should we read and make sense of it (since it was all written for us (2Tim 3:16)? Is it our duty to do (or at least to try to do) everything that the Bible tells people to do, even in the New Testament?

Photo by: Bob AuBuchon

I don’t want to once again lose you here in the woods.

I also know that any number of you could lead us out.

You know the way. You know the story. You  see the forest from the trees. You know about the first two trees and about their separate paths. You know about the one tree on which our Savior died. You know about the trees at the end of the path that will bring “healing to the nations”.

You also know that the point of all of this is to help us know the One who is using our walks with him in the woods of our own circumstance, to show himself to us, to teach us to trust him, and in the process to grow in his likeness (in spite of the terrible capacities for evil, distraction, and confusion that remain in us)… as he leads us to “his Father’s house”…

Apart from that big story, we really do get lost in the woods of the inspired, misunderstood, and misused words of the Bible. Apart from reading every word of the Bible in its own immediate, and in the wider context of the whole story of inspired revelation, we don’t give the Bible the respect we give other books.


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23 Responses to “Lost You!?”

  1. foreverblessed says:

    Here I am again!
    Thanks Mart for writing this, you are very courageous!
    And I like the picture of the trees too!
    How do I read the book? I should read it with humility, with my heart open to inspiration from the Holy Spirit,
    what also comes to mind: with the full armour on, Ephesians 6:10-18
    But I must admit, I often read it with my own intellect in front. I want to know everything, understand everything. From the history of mankind, from the angels, from beginning to end.
    While God wants to keep it simple, how He can be a Father to me, step by step in my life. One day at a time.

  2. florida7sun says:

    Hi Mart:

    You are taking us out into the deep water, where Jesus wants us to be. The richness of the Word is infinite, and no man can truly comprehend the majesty of our Creator. Yet, as believers, He has given us His Spirit to teach us the wonder of His love, grace and mercy.

    Each day, the Teacher gives new insights in transforming us to be all that He desires for us.

    Jesus, the incarnate Word, is the full breath of knowledge. His Spirit leads us into understanding to glimpse the awesomeness of the wisdom of Our Heavenly Father.

    Love and light is revealed in the process. As a teacher is gentle with students eager to learn, the Holy Spirit interweaves story and character to provide understanding in the context of our lives.

    Men and women who glow in abundantly sharing the fire that burns within also aid in presenting their insights, such as the blessing I received this morning from you and Max Lucado.

    Max writes: “The Bible is the story of two gardens: Eden and Gethsemane. In the first, Adam took a fall. In the second, Jesus took a stand. In the first, God sought Adam. In the second, Jesus sought God. In Eden, Adam hid from God. In Gethsemane, Jesus emerged from the tomb. In Eden, Satan led Adam to a tree that led to his death. From Gethsemane, Jesus went to a tree that led to our life.”

    Simple, yet complex.

    Now, we see a glimpse of the character of our Lord and Savior. We can only go to the depths of the Word the Holy Spirit reveals to us; individually and as the Body of Christ.

    “But someday we will see clearly. We will see face to face. What I know now is not complete. But someday I will know completely, just as God knows me completely.”

    God bless you, Mart.

    Ray

  3. SFDBWV says:

    When Matthew wrecked his car and was in the ICU of the hospital. My wife my Pastor and his wife, my brother, and a parade of others, lived in the hallway of that awful place.

    Since I had driven there from work, I had no Bible with me, so I ask a nurse if she could get one for me, she gladly did.

    There in the pages of this one of a kind communication device, I looked for comfort and direction from the only *Person* I could, God.

    God communicated to me through His Word.

    Still my heart was and is broken; still I grieve for the condition of my son. However I am led and comforted by His Word and through my willful act of *faith*

    One of the verses of scripture given me to absorb into my being was an old standby, the 23rd Psalm.

    Though I had and have read that one verse many many times, this time it spoke differently and was amplified into my soul.

    There is little or no story to be told in the 23rd Psalm, but God spoke directly to me through it. He prepared a meal for me from His Word in the presence of my horror, and walks with me in that dark valley

    I disagree Mart, the Bible was not *only* written to other people thousands of years ago, it is written to me and it is written to you. I t is for me and should be to you as if God had penned the words of scripture just and only for you to read it today and be fed by it.

    It is what makes it such a success, it is written for every believer, on a personal level. So that each individual person can have direction, comfort and find encouragement and hope one on one with God.

    You see Mart; the Bible isn’t just a story or a collection of stories. It is alive and is able to teach as it fills us with itself, as we read and accept its wisdom, as we learn who wrote it and the miracle that it is.

    Just like the fish that Jesus multiplied to feed the multitude, the Bible is multiplied an un-numbered amount of times in order to feed us its readers. Some of us milk and others of us meat and potatoes.

    Steve

  4. poohpity says:

    It is like when anyone picks up any other book they read it from the beginning to the end. They do not start in the middle or to a chapter or even a page but read the whole thing in it’s entirety. Many do not do that with the bible and even worse go on the book report of another to get their information. Although the sub-plots can stand by themselves it is neat to have the whole plot developed to get the whole picture of the Author.

    When we read a non-fiction book we read about the author and what the message is of the book then you can understand the slant they are coming from. Or a fiction book one usually reads the cover to see what the story is about to see if it is something that can entertain our imagination but the One book we hold so dear to us because it is the inspired Word of God we do in piece work when it is so important although not all inclusive but so important to what we believe.

  5. joemk says:

    I don’t know Mart whether there is any particular “correct” answer to how we should read the Bible. Is it even necessary to understand the whole story? Or should we, as Steve and Ray suggest here, just submit to the Holy Spirit and follow where He leads us as we read? I am more for giving respect to Bible as the word of God than trying to use our limited intellect to understand the plot, characters, and the story of God! but thats not a very comfortable position either, becoz God gave us our intellect. is there room for intellectual scrutiny of the Bible story and is it an approach we should adopt in reading the Bible? may be I am one of those who are completely lost in the woods Mart.

    One of the major differences I notice between my reading the Bible and my reading of other literature is how “new” the same Bible verse/story appears to me regardless of how many times I have read the verse/story before. A good example is the story of Ruth. I have read it over and over and every time it challenges a different part of me, and as Steve says, it speaks directly to whatever circumstance I am in so directly I feel embarrassed that I never thought of my circumstance that way before. so at one time Ruth’s story will challenge my selfishness, at another time my lack of courage and faith, at a different time my bad relations with others and so forth. I don’t know how we should read it but I know the Bible is different than all other books.

    Joe

  6. Mart De Haan says:

    There is always a story behind everything– that keeps words from just being words. All too often we just hear words because we don’t know one another’s story. Worst case is when someone doesn’t yet know– or has forgotten the story of God.

    It’s probably important for us to graciously disagree about whether the Bible was written to directly to us. We know and agree, from what Paul wrote to Timothy, it is all for us (2Tim 3:16).

    Am glad that when we do disagree, we can do so with a history that reminds us of one another’s heart and deep desire to know God and help one another.

  7. bratimus says:

    How to read the Bible?

    Just read the Bible! Have faith that God will guide u, just as at times you open the Bible and find the comforting words you need. Another time you will have to read through a few pages to get the comforting words you need. To read the Bible is to write it on are hearts, answers don’t come all at once.

  8. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    The Living Word of God can be read in its entirety or in small portions or even as one liners, the main point is to read what God is saying to you and not what you want hear.
    It is easy to take comfort from nice words written in love but much harder to hear the truth of God and act upon it.

    The title of this blog is “Lost You!?”

    Well you have LOST ME!

  9. Mart De Haan says:

    Bob, I hope you’ll be back on another subject. It has been a delight to interact with you on a variety of issues. I’ll try to move the conversation along to something else over the weekend.

    This approach to keeping the Bible in context is not new to RBC Ministries. We have had for over 20 years a Discovery Series Booklet called “How Can I Know God Through His Book?” which can be found at the following link:

    http://discoveryseries.org/discovery-series/how-can-i-know-god-through-his-book/

  10. phpatato says:

    As a Christian, I want to follow Jesus Christ. I want to do what He said, go where He leads, follow His example and enter into the life He offers to me. To do that, I must read the eye-witness accounts of those who knew Him; to go to the Bible which is the ultimate authority to find Him.

    The Bible can be read as great literature, or as a history of Israel or as a source-book of theological information. But, it is the writers of the Bible that give full justice to the purpose of Scripture. It is through their experiences, which they have written about, that shows me what impact God’s word can have. The Bible is milk to nourish, a hammer to break, water to cleanse, meat to invigorate, a light to guide, a sword for the fight, fire to warm and a mirror to reveal.

    The Bible is revelant: It deals with elements in human nature that are timeless; it answers fundamental human needs. We read about aspirations and failings that we can easily identify with. It’s truths never change because God never changes.

    The Bible is practical: It points people to Jesus. It builds a relationship with God. It equips us for battle. It guides our conduct.

    The Bible is for ordinary people: If we have the will to obey God, the Bible is going to make a differenc in our lives. We must concentrate, search, meditate and examine the Bible with sustained effort. Through patience and faith, the Bible’s promises are obtained. If we are persistent, the Bible will yield more and more of it’s riches.

    It is with complete submission to the Holy Spirit that the Bible reader gains the mind of Christ, which then enables him to apply teachings given centuries ago to their life today.

    The Bible is a basis for science, it’s a realistic view of man, it’s a law that protects the weak, it protects society against chaos with it’s law and order, it protects the basic institution of society – the family. To Christians of all generations, we know forgiveness; we know fellowship with God through prayer and worship. We know the presence of the Holy Spirit who changes our lives. We know that God’s laws are good and true. And it is all because of Christ’s death on Calvary’s tree and His offer of a new life – that we must accept to make the Bible become a reality in each of our lives.

    The source of this summary was taken from “Eerdmans’ Concise Bible Handbook”. It said so much better what I wanted to but without the confusion I would have given.

    Pat

  11. Mart De Haan says:

    Thanks, Pat, yes the Bible is all of that… and far more

  12. isaiah118 says:

    I have been reading ODB for some time now but this is the first time reading your blog. After reading the comments, I was reminded of a statement my brother made when I accused him of abusing a hand tool; “If it’s not tough enough to take it, it’s not worth having.” The Bible is tough enough to take it!
    I have a 1936 edition of “The Bible as Literature”. All verse and chapter numbers were removed. It has no cross references; no commentary but still is The Word of God and will not return to Him void. (Isaiah 55:11) I firmly believe that regardless of the intent or motive of the reader, God speaks to them.
    Before I accepted Christ, I spent many hours trying to make the Bible fit what I wanted to believe. I had chosen a “religion” that seemed good and honorable; they even used the Bible to back up their claims. In the end, the Bible never bent but I did. I have read many stories of people who read the Bible with the intent of discrediting it, in the end God changed their heart.
    As for those who may have been “lost”, I can only say “…we know that to them that love God all things work together for good…”
    I will stop by again.

  13. florida7sun says:

    Just a brief note to thank you Mart and every contributor for your wonderful insights.

    I recall a testimony from a blessed brother who spent seven years in the “Hanoi Hilton” prison camp after being shot down over Viet Nam. He was placed in solitary confinement and often heard men being beaten and tortured.

    What kept him and others alive was the Word of God.

    Stripped of all worldly safety nets and status symbols, he was given a new name. He lost the comfort of family and home. He lacked the security and rank of his uniform. No dog tag; no bank account; no financial statement; no American Express card; no one to call. No books to read. There was nothing to grasp. There was no Bible; no concordance; no discussion leader.

    Stark nakedness was his existence. Yet, God’s Word saw him and others through that ordeal.

    He shared that those in confinement would search their inner hearts to recall blessed verses from childhood that could be shared in Morse code by tapping memories from cell-to-cell. The Word was relevant; not it’s characterization or storyline.

    Each word of the Word is precious. It will not come back void.

    When we lose everything, that’s all we need.

    Best to all, Ray

  14. Rajnesh says:

    Haha Mart, you musn’t run on and leave some of us behind in the woods. But, on a personal level it’s good
    that at times some of what you talk about and the posts
    of members here (yes, there are some brilliant minds
    here that lead very nicely) goes right over my head and I’m forced to seek answers on my own, which in the process draws me closer to God.
    These past couple of topics prompted me to sign up for
    the Bible Basics (NT) offered at ChristianCourses.com. I had thoroughly enjoyed the(OT) about a year ago, regret that I didn’t finish it. Anyway, both Dr Buzzell and Robinson touch nicely on this. The Bible is also known as The Greatest Story Ever Told and that it is a “divine love story.” And how sin came about just couple of pages into Genesis and that the solution to that sin is our Savior Lord Jesus Christ.
    Funny how Dr Robinson challenges you and how maybe the Bible is not on your books to read list.

  15. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Mart,

    I just find this topic too accademic for my little mind and cannot grasp the meaning of what you are trying to say.
    we have a literature programme on the BBC and many book reviews all of which I can follow, but somehow your wisdom is beyond my ken, as they say in Scotland.
    It would be nice to get back to basics like Faith, Love, Hope, the end time prophesies and simple stuff like that. lol

    florida7sun,

    Ray,
    Thankyou for your words, they especially spoke to me!

    God has allowed situations in my life that have left me naked, vunerable and alone. He is showing me to depend on and trust in His Word. Maybe that is why I am a bit sensitive to it being analised in the way Mart has done recently.

    “The Word was relevant; not it’s characterization or storyline.”

    “Each word of the Word is precious. It will not come back void.”

    “WHEN WE LOSE EVERYTHING, THAT’S ALL WE NEED.”

    I am in that posistion right now.

    Bob

  16. florida7sun says:

    Dear Bob:

    The Lord loves you, as do we. We may be miles apart, but I will be praying that you’ll be strengthened in mind, body and spirit. I am not familiar with Cornwall, England but encourage you to seek out those within the Body of Christ that love the Lord Jesus and can be a blessing to you.

    Please pray for me, as well. We all need encouragement from time to time.

    Cordially in Christ,

    Ray

  17. scout1 says:

    Hey Mart – Thanks for the post, but I’m thinking that I’m like Bob, I can’t really understand what you are saying. Hope that the next post is for the more simple minded -like me.

    Ray -thanks for the post -God’s Word will not come back void. What a grand promise.

    Blessing,
    Lynda

  18. aboverubies says:

    i was waiting for my new laptop before i took time to respond. i think i know what you are trying to say Mart. Yes it is a Book like no other but do we treat it with the same zeal, logic and care as we do secular or even christian books? we are encouraged by the Lord to use His Word as reproof, comfort, guidance and so much more. that is why many of us need to take courses like inductive bible study. Showing us how to study it in time, in history (cause God spoke to them), in context yet make it living and relevant for us today (and yes that is a great work of the Holy Spirit making the Father’s Word living for us today). in proverbs it tells us to study the ant, those who are lazy. But also it is not a “spell” book either and we need to properly read it. All of us have met Jesus on the road to Emasus and had to have Him explain stuff to us cause we dont get it! haha And because God is sooo AWESOME His Word can meet us wherever we are on our journey and speak to us in so many various ways. thank you Mart for reminding me to be zealous for His Word and to treat it with far more respect and inquiry than at present. You made great sense and thanks for getting us stirred up in remembrance as Peter stated!

  19. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Mart you are right, every verse of scripture has a story behind why it is there. A story based on the actual adventure of God and man.

    Yet God did more than just tell the story of that person, and so teach us a life lesson, in all He writes He gives us a glimpse of Himself.

    He uses broken people and also upright people, in order to accomplish His goal.

    The big story could be the whole story of creation, how it fell and how God provided a way to redeem man and bring Him back into fellowship with Him, and in so doing redeem all of creation.

    The little stories in between could be examples of how each of us must deal with the harshness of life and God’s interaction. How He provides for us, and cares for us if we let Him and trust Him.

    As well as the consequence of not trusting Him nor heeding his warnings.

    However the Bible is far greater than just story, and those of us who need to be fed from it understand that very well.

    Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

    Steve

  20. Mart De Haan says:

    Bob (and Steve), I appreciate not only your honesty, but your sense of brokenness and desperate desire to find moment by moment strength and grace in our Savior Lord.

    I resonate with such a spirit so much.

    In some ways that is what puzzles me about the frustration that is erupting around this subject. I am not trying to be like an academic as much as like a little child… who wants a story before bedtime… In fact maybe that’s what I need to develop into another post, before running ahead to something else.

  21. SFDBWV says:

    Mart when Matthew was a little child he loved for me to tell him stories.

    Sometimes the pressure was on me to invent and create stories where he (Matt) would be the hero and have to endure trials and struggles in order to end the story on a happy note.

    Other times he wanted me (especialy when we would be camping) to recall stories from the Bible.
    Have you ever noticed how many stories from the Bible don’t have a happy ending?

    Not until the bigger fuller story is come to an end.

    Yet it always facinated me, how Matt couldn’t get enough…Always “tell me another one daddy”.

    Here and now, I would suppose He looks for a happy ending, and sees only happiness in leaving this life for the bigger promised one.

    I am sorry you are having trouble expressing your thoughts. You are still loved by us here, even if we bump heads sometimes saying the same thing in a totaly different langusge.

    Steve

  22. florida7sun says:

    One of my favorite books is “Strength of Soul” by W. Phillip Keller.

    He writes, “What do I do with this gift of time, entrusted so tenderly to my care? Should I waste it on worry or fretting? Or will I learn to fling myself happily in my Father’s embrace; and whisper softly, ‘Oh, my Beloved, I am in your care. Lead me gently to see life through your eyes today.’ Then it will be treasured! “

    Often, I have to step back from attempting to figure out my Lord and Savior. My mind cannot comprehend the full majesty of His existence. Yet, His Spirit speaks softly to my heart through His Word and the path He has set before me. He leads me at a pace that is reassuring of His love.

    I have found that strength of soul is essential to abundant life.

    Love to all, Ray

  23. foreverblessed says:

    Isaiah118, thank you very much for your testimony, that trying to prove the bible to be wrong, it went the other way around!
    Florida7son,
    your story reminds me of my childhood. We had to learn Psalm by heart at primary school. My dad went to the headmaster, to ask why? The man answered: That if we should be imprisoned, these Psalms would come back in memory and be of comfort. Also hymns we had to learn by head.
    So we learned these Psalms, and I am happy we had to.
    It has been so valuable to me that the whole bible was being read to me, all stories, from beginning to end, even if it was from a childrens bible.
    But then you know the stories.
    Reading a children’s bible is maybe a possibility too for grownups.

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