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The Riddles of Sirhan and Judas

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An ABC news site says today that lawyers for Sirhan Sirhan, the convicted killer of Robert Kennedy, will present new evidence at a parole hearing that Sirhan did not act alone and was hypnotized to commit an act that he now cannot remember.  They will also argue that ten independent witnesses all say that Sirhan was always in front of Kennedy even though medical examiners confirmed that the former Attorney General was shot behind the ear by a gun at close range. (Link to ABC Article)

I read this article while continuing to think about that historic dinner meeting we talked about  in our last post. At that meeting, according to the Gospel of John, Mary poured out a bottle of expensive perfume on Jesus’ feet, to show the depth of her love for the Teacher who had raised her brother Lazarus from the dead (John 12:1-8).

Lazarus was in the room and at the table (John 12:2). According to John, the miracle of his resurrection was creating a public commotion in Bethany as many people came to see not only Jesus but the man he had raised from the dead (12:9).

But here’s where my mind starts to lock up, like it does when I read about “the new evidence” that Sirhan did not act alone, and that he was hypnotized to kill and then forget the details.

Judas was also at that table. Events like this weren’t new to him. He had traveled with Jesus for three years.  He was such a trusted follower that he was entrusted with the disciple’s money (12:6).

But that doesn’t mean that Judas isn’t once again stunned by a miracle that was so  astounding and so  public that it helped to generate not only the dinner meeting  but also, on the very next day, the Palm Sunday crowds that would welcome Jesus into Jerusalem (12:12-13).

Yet how can we make sense of the fact that it is this same Judas who, a short time later accepts 30 pieces of silver, to betray Jesus, before going out and killing himself for doing such an insane thing?

There’s a lot we don’t know about the facts both in our day, and in the days of Jesus. But one thing is clear. Whether we are talking about contested evidence around the death of Robert Kennedy, or the bizarre betrayal of Jesus, we cannot afford to underestimate the power of evil, to fuel the fears that prompt desperate people to kill—in futile efforts to remain in control of their own destiny and to cover their own tracks and secrets.

Someone has said that history moves not by love but by fear. That’s an insight that may help us explain some of the seemingly irrational acts of a “Judas”… and ourselves.

But thankfully fear does not win in the end. The greater story is of the One who moves history forward by his love—a motive powerful enough to explain (as we’ve already talked about) Mary’s “crazy ” act of love (12:3).


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    There is a great in depth, long debate over whether Judas ever had control of his part in the story of the crucifixion. The debate is well over 2000 years old.

    There being several concepts as to Judas’ actions.

    Was Judas carrying out the design and wishes of God?
    Was Judas carrying out the design and wishes of Satan?
    Did Judas ever really have a choice in the matter?

    Without Judas, there would be no betrayal, passion and crucifixion.

    Or is it that because of the actions of Judas, there was a betrayal, passion, and crucifixion?

    Jesus seemed to put the blame of such a betrayal on Judas, by calling him “the son of perdition” (John 17: 12) but then added the statement “; that the scripture might be fulfilled.” Also that Judas was “lost”.

    For me the matter is simple yet disturbing. I place all matters great and small in the hands of God. I believe that all events are under God’s control and that every detail of life is carried out according to the will of God. That even our acts of free will are only an illusion of the idea we have any control of our lives (Ephesians 1: 11).

    Even having said that, I know some will disagree. This as I said is a debate that goes back as far as does the story of the beginning of our faith.

    Steve

  2. jam200 says:

    Many Jews, including some of the apostles, wanted a king to overthrow the Romans. The apostles had seen Jesus restore or heal the life of the son of a Roman Centurian. Now, they saw Him restore life to Lazarus. What kind of king is this?

    Now, Judas was angry because a bottle of perfume was wasted on the head of Jesus instead of being sold. A small response to a gracious act. Yet, Satan uses small acts like this to cause us to act out of our mind. That is, to sin. This angry display by Judas is the nail in the coffin for him.

    From this point forward, Satan has the in to pursue his plan, which results in the crucifixion. Satan, however, does not know the future, only the past and the present. God then takes what was meant for evil and makes it for the good of all mankind, past, present and future.

  3. florida7sun says:

    Good morning, Mart. Today’s posting took me into the Book of Job to better understand the nature of Judas:

    “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.” – Job 1:1

    “and he said, ‘naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”’ – Job 1:21

    Fear of the Lord leads to salvation. (“Teach me your way, O LORD, and I will walk in your truth; give me an undivided heart, that I may fear your name.) – Psalm 86:11

    Fear of the world leads to death. (“Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”) – 1 John 2:15

    Jesus is the Son of God that creates in all believers a heart eager for His Word. We are one with Christ; interwoven in marriage.

    Satan is the Son of Perdition that entices those with ungodly fears and desires.

    Was Judas afraid?

    Fear corrodes our confidence in God’s goodness. – Max Lucado

    “There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.” – Proverbs 6:16-19

    The Son of Perdition (Satan) entered the Son of Perdition (Judas).

    Satan will use all forms of amusement (sources of diversion) to put a covering over our ungodly fears.

    Alcohol and drugs… anything to keep his prey in a stupor that leads to death and separation from God.

    Hypnosis can also be used in a diabolical way to kill.

    Peter expressed, “The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.” – 1 Peter 4:7

    In my mind, that’s the beauty of Mary’s expression at the foot of Jesus. She comprehended that her Lord was “the resurrection and the life.” She was in awe of her Lord, for Lazarus lived.

    Judas was blinded by the world to satisfy his fear. He was separated from the Word by the one who destroys.

    Like the two thieves hung next to Jesus, we all have a choice to make. That’s the reason I hunger for His presence and daily bread.

    Blessings to all, Ray

  4. poohpity says:

    Do I follow Jesus out of fear or do I follow Him because of the great love shown to us by His amazing grace and mercy? If when I read the OT and see that those who did not follow the law to a tee were given a plague or burned up or stoned to death I might follow out of fear but even a closer look within the stories of the OT I see that the Lord did not give up on those He loved but continued to pursue them and provided a way to show love to them and us.

    There are times when I look in hind sight wondering what on earth did I do that for and come to the conclusion it was my natural inclination to sin and then feel remorseful and pray to not repeat the action but I do. We are not given any more information about Judas than what is written we can make it hard by trying to figure out the reasoning behind the motivation but as Steve often says “it says what it says”.

    Hind sight with Mary we see that the perfumed oil was an anointing before burial but when she did it no one had either washed Jesus’s feet or anointed His head as was the custom when someone entered a home. It may have been because they were so interested in Lazarus being raised, who knows. She showed her passion for Christ, period. When no one is watching or everyone is watching how do I show my passion for Christ?

    I do not understand why so many dig up the horrible acts of the past when it is a cold case and try and figure it out. My hunch is to get our eyes off of the current struggles in front of us at this time. What real good does it do however the story about Mary’s “crazy” act of love might prompt us on to go out of our little comfort zone to show where our passion lies.

  5. pegramsdell says:

    right on jam200!
    not letting satan get in is very important. I thought of this scripture when I read your post:

    “submit to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you”.

  6. tandgmartin says:

    Love wins!

  7. tracey5tgbtg says:

    I’ve always wondered if Judas ever had a choice. It was clear that he was being controlled by evil. John 13:27

    Steve asks a very good question. Was Judas carrying out the designs and wishes of God? of Satan?

    Florida Sun mentioned Job and here is another instance where Satan is allowed to carry out his plan thinking he will actually win something when in fact God is in control all along. In the end we see that God’s ways are perfect and beyond our understanding.

    But did Judas ever have a choice? I sometimes think maybe in the brief passage in Matt 27:3-5. Judas realizes what he has done and is filled with remorse. I think at that point, he had a choice. But he never understood about the love of God. Instead of throwing himself before the Father, he returns to the chief priests, the very ones who had led him into sin and tries to tell them he wants to take it back. He tries to make himself right by going to people who have no power to forgive.

    That is why conviction is such a good thing. It gives us the opportunity to confess before God, repent and be forgiven. It is so simple if you know God’s love.

    But how many would rather say, “I couldn’t help it,” “I didn’t know,” “that’s the way God made me,” “I had no choice,” “I’ll never do it again,” “I didn’t hurt anyone” or “God will never forgive me so I’ll just give up.”

    Regarding Sirhan, I agree with Poohpity. What is the point of bringing that case up from the past? Sirhan is the pawn of a lawyer who is trying to make himself famous. Whatever Sirhan did, God can forgive; he should be seeking mercy from God, not from the courts.

    Mart said in his opener: “…we cannot afford to underestimate the power of evil, to fuel the fears that prompt desperate people to kill—in futile efforts to remain in control of their own destiny and to cover their own tracks and secrets.”

    That sounds like David, the man after God’s own heart. If it could happen to him, it could happen to anyone.

  8. florida7sun says:

    Thank you all for your insights.

    It’s interesting that Jesus also told Peter that Satan wanted to sift him like wheat. And, the Lord rebuked Satan when Peter’s action was flesh-inspired rather than in accordance with God’s redemptive plan.

    We are all likewise tried and tempted, but Jesus provides strength and a way of escape. Greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world.

  9. xrgarza says:

    Mart,

    We all know that Jesus was God incarnate, what’s the probability that Judas was Satan incarnate?

    If the betrayal had to happen, why use an innocent person? Did Judas really not have a choice?

    Rocky

  10. florida7sun says:

    I am not familiar with Compass Distributors, but I thought this white paper, Was Judas Iscariot Saved or Lost was of interest.

  11. bubbles says:

    Along this same line of thought:
    On the way to work yesterday morning, I was thinking about Jesus’ love–how we cannot fathom His love for us.
    Before Passover, Jesus washed the disciples’ feet. All of them-even Judas’ feet. These were the same feet, who in a little while after being washed by God incarnite, would run and betray Jesus.

    Since Jesus knew ALL things, it is touching to see Him do such a loving act for the very one who would betray Him. It is also convicting because here is a lesson in how we should act towards those who hurt us.

    I have often wondered how/if it saddened Him when He chose Judas to be a disciple–knowing he was “the one” who would betray Him one day.

    Hope this did not go too far off on a rabbit trail.

  12. BruceC says:

    Don’t beleive we will even come close to knowing the mind of God fully and how He operates in our lives through the time of history. Time is only a reference point for man; and God sees it as a scroll laid out before Him. He knows the beginning from the end. We do not. He lives apart from time and our earthly life is measured in it.
    I believe that Jesus knew who Judas was and what he would do and the Father had already woven that into the scenario tp played out on our behalf. Did Judas have a choice? I think so. We all do. But because God is “outside” of time He sees our choice before we make it. That doesn’t mean He makes it for us.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  13. poohpity says:

    Or even changes our mind for the path we have chosen. I guess that is what free will is, yet Jesus still died for Judas too!! The choices we make now effect how this life will be lived out.

  14. wpleasant says:

    This one can make you crazy. Was the lesson to be learned by Joseph’s betrayal by his brothers that what was meant for evil God meant for good? What an extrordinary word “meant” from that story has for us even today. It may be that some of the evil we see done today, or in the past is, or was allowed, to prevent an an even greater tragedy from happening. Had Joseph not been betrayed would millions have died from starvation? Or if Sirhan Sirhan (or whoever shot Robert Kennedy)had missed would 10’s of thousands of more American soldiers not have been killed after the 1968 election? Who can say. John’s account of Judas’ betrayal was, “Now after this piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly”. (John 13:27) Was jesus speaking to Satan or Judas at that point? (or both) My head is beginning to hurt so I’ll bow out for now except to say I do believe God can make good come out of tragic events.

  15. bratimus says:

    When comes to Judas betraying Christ, i look at it like God controling the events of the arrest of Christ to prevent collatierial damage. through out the gospels we hear how they wanted to lay hands on Jesus, Jesus would leave or evade this, not out of Fear for HimSelf, didn’t want all that followed to rise up against this. Wouldn’t want to have an uprising like we are seeing in the Middle East right now. That would have defeated the purpose of the cross and sacrifice. We read how Peter drew his sword and cut off an ear and Jesus healed it right on spot. Jesus at times would draw crowds of the thousands, could you just see the crazy happening if they tried to arrest Jesus around so many. Jesus had to go to the cross as a peace full free will act, as we hear from His prayer in the garden.

    The acts of the disciples could also represent, what Paul writes about which blamsphemy is forgivable and which isn’t. an attentional against the Holy Spirit to the unatentional blasphemy, Judas betrayle to Peter’s denials.

    There is always a purpose of God through everything, as humans we might not ever know them. And sometimes trying to ponder the depths of God’s plans will drive you crazy.

    That is why I thank God that he is in control of everything, whether i see it or not.

    God bless all, amnd may the grace of God come to all

  16. bec4jc says:

    Thank you Mart, for such a thought provoking subject,set up to make the juices in our brains work overtine with questions. I love reading everyone’s posts on this and the other threads in this blog. You guys edify me. When I read someone’s post who has had the same thoughts as I do on a subject, I wish I could have said it. Thank you everyone for frequently posting here,it’s like going to school or yes,a book club. I love you all in the Lord! God bless!

  17. foreverblessed says:

    Someone wrote here: Jesus praid for Peter so that he would not be sifted by Satan. He did not pray for Judas so that scripture would be fullfilled John 17:12
    Hoooooow much do we owe to Jesus?
    I always had a hard time with the predestination idea, but this fact alone: Jesus protected Peter. It was Jesus who chose Peter, and gave him a shield around him.
    He chose us, and then He made us able to actually be free to choose for Him, and after that He shields us through faith. 1 Peter 1:5
    If we hold on to our faith there is nothing to fear.

  18. SFDBWV says:

    In a little daily devotional called Days of Praise, I was directed to read Psalm 139, especially verse 16. It goes as follows, “Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.”

    Verse 15 is even more intriguing, “My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.”

    One has to fully read Isaiah 44 and 45, to begin to see that God is God and that He formed plans long before the people He would use were born. Yet He called them by name and caused them to be, and caused them to carry out His secret plans.

    Whereas I agree with Bruce that we will never come close to knowing the mind of God, I also must say that God will do whatever it is He wants done by using whomever He has created for that purpose.

    I too listen to the teachings and commentaries of Chuck and Nancy Missler, and am familiar with Chuck’s analogy of the story of mankind being like a scroll that God can see the beginning from the end, that God is outside of time as we understand it.

    However to begin to attempt to understand God, our wisdom and knowledge is made to look foolish.

    It is written that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. I would suppose the key here is the word, “beginning”.

    Since we have talked at length about story lines, plots, and subplots at length, I take us back to the beginning. To Genesis with the same question we ask of Judas.

    In Genesis 2: 9 the Lord God made to grow both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Then in verse 17 God tells Adam he may eat of all the trees except from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    If God did not want Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit, why did he place it there in the garden?

    Was it to test Adam, who at this time would know nothing of evil except that God had laid a commandment on him. Adam had no knowledge of nor experience to draw upon as to what disobeying God meant.

    Whereas Judas knew all too well the consequence of disobedience to God, and had witnessed first hand the miracles Jesus had performed.

    Did Adam have a choice? Or was Adam’s part in the “story” a piece that had to happen in order for the whole “story “to fall into place?

    Was it because Judas did not want to betray Jesus that Satan had to enter him in order to carry out the “story” to the purpose of the larger “story”?

    I think that maybe, God keeps this a mystery to us because he wants us to search for the answer in the study of scripture. Keeping always uncertain as to whether we have a choice or are just playing out our predestined lives as ordained by Him.

    Even though it is that Jesus living in us is what enables us to do any good thing at all, perhaps God wants us to be unsure of whether our choices of doing anything is necessary at all, except for the acceptance of Christ? Placing our uncertainties on the shoulder of Christ in the form of “blind” faith.

    Steve

  19. poohpity says:

    Our problem may lie in the same thing Jesus rebuked Peter for in Mark 8:33 “Get behind me Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

  20. florida7sun says:

    It’s always been interesting to me that several types of trinities are expressed in the first ten words of the Bible: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1

    Our understanding of the Word is post-creation. Yet the Word foreknew us. As poohpity notes, there are the things of God and the things of men.

    We know that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit; three-in-one, difficult for man to comprehend.

    God created our understanding of the beginning: time, a trinity consisting of past, present and future. Three-in-one; remove any dimension and time does not exist.

    God created our understanding of the heavens: space, a trinity consisting of length, width and height. Three-in-one; remove any dimension and the heavens do not exist.

    God created our understanding of the earth: a physical presence consisting of mass, motion, and phenomena. Three-in-one; remove any dimension and the earth does not exist.

    I cannot understand God other than to cling to the Lord Jesus, His Word and the expression of His Love.

    In Jesus I find God’s Love, God’s Light and God’s Truth. I rest in Him. I rejoice in His expression of love for me, His mercy, and His grace. I desire to keep His commandments.

    I also know He will share more of “the story” with us when we are called home.

    He is sovereign.

  21. SFDBWV says:

    Another riddle concerning the story of Judas and the betrayal of Jesus is this; Why didn’t the chief priests and officials who came to arrest Jesus already know which of the men was Jesus?

    He had publicly preached in the synagogue, and several times had confounded the Sadducees and Pharisees openly face to face.

    For three years He had been among them and what became as the most troubling miracle Jesus performed was the raising of Lazarus, in front of many Jewish men of influence.

    Why was it necessary to have one of His disciples point Him out to the gang that came to arrest Him?

    Many of these men who wanted Him silenced had seen Him, why didn’t they just accompany the *lynch* mob that came to arrest Him and point Him out.

    Once again the answer may be found in Jesus’ own words in Matthew 26: 54 “But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?” And Again in Verse 56 “ But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.”

    Steve

  22. pegramsdell says:

    Wow….what a topic this is. The posts are incredible. All good. God is showing me revelation about this story that I never thought about. Thank you all for writing down your thoughts and giving so many different perspectives. I have been richly blessed today that’s for sure. :)

  23. davids says:

    It hasn’t been mentioned that in John’s account, the reason for Judas’ reaction to Mary’s gift is given: “He [Judas] did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.” John 12:6.

    So while Satan entered into Judas a the last supper, Judas was a man that has already let Satan into his heart.

    Steve, I believe that the temple authorities had no power outside the environs of Jerusalem. Jesus seems to have stayed during the last week in Bethany, so there might have been little oportunity to arrest Jesus away from the crowds.

    Judas’s betrayal gave the temple authorities the opportunity to arrest Jesus near Jerusalem when it would cause the least disturbance.

  24. oneg2dblu says:

    My 40 Day Sentence has been served. Well served, as I diligently followed every post on every topic.
    Somedays with fist pumps and halleluiahs, and others with frustration and the want to “break the silence,” which was taken for the preservation of other’s opinions that were not well received by me, and my wordly retaliations, that should have gone unmentioned.
    Like the pondering of Judas… sometimes I wonder who controls my tongue and my actions, for if I truly live under the predestination rule,I might consider myslef not guilty, but the Indwelling of His Holy Spirit tells me differently.
    We may never fully realize when one is led, or when one is leading by themselves, accept for knowing that the His Word tells us we are locked in a battle of the mind with both a Saved Spirit, and a Corrupted Flesh.
    I really like the explanation given by a Wise Old Indian: “Inside a man are two wolves, one good and one bad.They may be fighting continously, but the one you feed the most Wins!”
    With the Helper’s Provision, I feed my Faith first over my flesh, although the battle continues, I’m always well fed and ready to defend myself against All Evil that Prowls around like a Roaring Lion, Seeking to Devour God’s Children. I bleieve, that Judas acted on his own… without first feeding the good wolf, because it was God’s Plan that he should be defeated by acting alone, for if he walked with God, instead of selling out his Master,he could not have completed his predestined dimise. Praise God, that He has not asked me to Act as a Judas, or to give my life up on a Cross today. “Maybe all I need to do today, is another forty…LOL”
    Gary

  25. jeff says:

    It’s amazing how far human beings can go to cover up their sins. Judas like many other followers of Jesus’s earthly ministry never really understood the mission of Jesus. They expected a worldly powerful kingdom to be set up by the messiah. Like Judas, any of us have the capacity to fall especially if we don’t know the magnitude of our actions. Unfortunately Judas decided to take his life instead of asking for forgiveness, at the end of the day Jesus had to die with or without his betrayal. Through that act of betrayal no parents who know the story would dare call their children Judas. My challenge to my blog brothers and sisters in Christ is to guard our minds and hearts lest we fall into very tempting traps of the prince of darkness. Even if God is ready to forgive us when we slip, much is expected from us from an ever watching world. The more we slip the more the lost get lost. Thanks Mart for very insightful blogs. Keep them coming!!!

  26. marma says:

    In the presence of good, evil is bent on destruction. Cain killed Abel.

    Despite Moses’ miracles, the pharaoh hardened his heart; then God hardened it, and, after letting them go, the pharaoh changed his mind and pursued the Israelites.

    Fear. I remember when I first really saw in Revelation 21 about those whose place is the fiery lake–and the fearful and unbelieving were among them. It seems the fear goes along with the hate and the unbelief, and the blindness.

    John said that the whole world lies in the evil one (I Jn 5:19) and Jesus said, the lusts of their father will they do (John 8:44).

    There is a contrast with the sons of God in I Jn 5 and John 8. We are of God, and we love God’s Son and each other. And as someone else pointed out, there is no fear in love (I Jn 4:18).

    Such a contrast!

  27. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    Hope all is well with you.
    Want to share a thought on Mart’s comment, “The greater story is of the One who moves history forward by his love—a motive powerful enough to explain (as we’ve already talked about) Mary’s “crazy ” act of love (12:3).”

    Mary’s crazy, spontaneous act of love and worship of Jesus was provoked by His unfathomable love for her.

    Sunny and warm in Texas today (mid 70’s).

  28. SFDBWV says:

    You are right David; the Sanhedrin had no real power at all. Which is why they had Jesus sent to Herod for punishment.

    My muse was as to why it was that a friend and follower of Jesus had to be the one to betray him? The Jewish officials I am sure thought that such dirty work had to be carried out by someone other than them.

    Like most executives they just sat on their *judgment seats* and awaited their lackeys to bring the accused before them.

    Then again how many times over the course of history has Christ been betrayed by us all?

    My answer is as I stated, all was done to fulfill the prophets and the scriptures. Just as The Holy Spirit had said through His prophets, would happen.

    Pre-known or preordained, either way all transpired just as Jesus wanted it to.

    Judas was full of remorse which is why he tried to give the blood money back to the priests. He was filled with guilt which is why he went so far as to kill himself. Once again it shows some problems with Judas.

    Had he not listened to Jesus as He explained there is life after death? Had Judas not listened while Jesus explained that there is torment for those who are guilty? Did Judas not believe Jesus?

    Perhaps Judas went mad by the weight of his guilt and so did what the insane often do, try and escape into the unconsciousness of death. However we see the story, perhaps found Judas found forgiveness after all.

    I hope so.

    Steve

  29. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, I hope so too.
    Romans 11:32
    For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.

    This is what God said to Israel in Moses’ time:
    But to this day the Lord has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear. Deut 29:4
    As to prove that without God opening our ears and eyes, no one can understand Him.

    But when He opens our mind, then we are able to choose for Him, (and oneg2dblu welcome back, repent of our sins confess to God) and then He promisses:
    For I will forgive their wickedness, and will remember there sins no more Jer 31:34 Hebrews 8:14

  30. florida7sun says:

    It’s interesting that Hosea paid the equivalent of 30 shekels of silver to buy his wayward wife, Gomer, from her pimp. Thirty pieces of silver was the price to be paid for a slave.

    Jesus’ mother, Mary, considered herself a bondslave, free to devote her life fully to Christ. We are given that same privilege of devotion, as He paid the debt for our sin.

    Judas sold Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver, as Satan desired Jesus to be his slave (evidenced earlier by our Lord’s confrontations with Satan in the wilderness.

    The choice is our’s to make: be a bondslave by sharing Jesus’ love with others, or be one owned by a pimp and lead others to death in their sin.

    One master desires the very best for us through His love. The other desires ungodly worship.

    Blessings to all, Ray

  31. SFDBWV says:

    Everyone always points a finger at Judas, but what about the religious leaders of Israel who secretly plotted to have Jesus killed?

    What about the crowd of people who only days before had seen Jesus heal the sick raise the dead and teach the truth? Did they not shout “crucify Him”?

    The Roman’s who got pulled into the situation at least had no personal interests in the matter. Cruel as they were, they were cruel in all of their actions towards any and all they considered an enemy.

    Even Pilate washed his hands of the matter, knowing he was condemning an innocent man to death.

    So why is it we beat up Judas? There was and are many who still are guilty of betrayal and the placing of Jesus upon the cross.

    Every one of us should weep for the suffering we put Christ through, and forgive the likes of Judas as we are no less guilty.

    Steve

  32. poohpity says:

    If we read John 17:12 even though Judas was in the group of disciples he may have not ever believed (saved). There are many who call themselves Christians but are not truly saved. While we concentrate on Judas during this time of betrayal all the disciples walked away because they were confused about what Jesus true mission here was. I do not think Judas lost his relationship with Jesus, I do not think it was ever found.

    God’s sovereign plan will be worked out and the choices we make can determine how we live this life here and now. I believe that Jesus knew that Judas life would never be changed. It would make us think about our true commitment to God and the evidence of His Spirit within us.

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning Steve, I don’t think we really beat up on Judas. Someone had to fulfill this prophesy, and the same God who writes His word for us tells us it is Judas, who traded him in for thirty pieces of silver. We didn’t choose that story line, He did! We only react to what we are told, so Judas is IT!
    God also chose to harden Pharoh’s heart, and make his people suffer many plagues, do we also beat up on Pharoh
    for that?
    What takes me as being so troublesome is this point of view, that even if you walk with Christ and become one of His Disciples, our heart may also some day be hardened against Him, if follow our flesh and not our faith into temptation, and fail to resist or flee from it while we can, Satan will have his day with us! But, if we Believe and Obey, what God has given us, even in 1 Corithians 10:13 using the Word of God as Christ used it when in His 40 Days of Temptation, Christ was always protected by quoting,”It is written… and Satan was powerless against God’s Word then, and today as well!
    If God revealing= Judas bashing, so be it! Gary

  34. oneg2dblu says:

    marma… 3-3 11:19 “Such a contrast,” very powerful wording this contrast between those Found in the world,
    and those Found in Christ!
    It is the true meaning of darkness and light!
    Gary

  35. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… thank you for the loving comment.
    It is always a first response this repenting,
    as I never take actions as being without consequences,
    or the sharing of His Word as being void!
    Even if we are all “forever blessed,” we are also given a Great Commission in the Commandment of Our Lord and Savior, and as our Master and friend we serve as He
    allows us ears to hear, and eyes to see, as only
    He can provide! Gary

  36. SFDBWV says:

    Gary, I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you, I am on in the morning and usually not very often the remainder of the day.

    Am just passing through here now, seen your comment and hello to me and wanted you to know I read it.

    Blessings to you and all here.

    Steve

  37. tandgmartin says:

    Regarding a possibility of why Judas needed to identify Jesus for the captors, I’ve read where it’s thought that James the son of Alpheus, who was a cousin of Jesus, looked so much like Jesus, that those after Jesus didn’t want to grab the wrong guy in the dark of Gethsemane. FWIW.

  38. florida7sun says:

    Under Torah animals selected to be sacrificed were those without blemish and treated with reverence and the highest respect. Having walked with Jesus, Judas knew He was without sin. In selecting and identifying God’s sacrificial lamb, Judas approached Jesus in the most decent and most humane way possible by giving Him a kiss.

    Our Lord and Savior was the chosen one selected by Judas to redeem all of mankind.

    Blessed weekend to all, Ray

  39. bratimus says:

    If Judas was paid for selecting the chosen one for sacrifice, then Judas was no better then the vendors in the temple selling doves that Jesus chased out of the Temple. Which goes to show how the animal sacrifices for sin, for redeeming. where bought at the Temple, and this sacrifices became meaningless bought on the spot. Judas kissing Jesus was the way to point him out, as Jesus kissed Judas right after Jesus said one of you will betray me at the last supper.

  40. tracey5tgbtg says:

    There is a Discovery Series booklet called “Judas – Son of Darkness.” One comment that is made in this booklet
    on page 21 is “When he learned that Jesus had been condemned to death, he felt regret(lit. “remorse”), suggesting that perhaps he expected a different outcome. He may have hoped to force Jesus into inaugurating His kingdom. Instead, Jesus allowed Himself to be condemned.”

    I think that is a very interesting point because I just can’t understand what Judas was thinking. What was he hoping to accomplish by betraying Jesus? What was he thinking he would get from doing such a thing? Maybe he saw the power that Jesus had and thought Jesus could easily overthrow the Roman government and establish an earthly kingdom. Maybe he thought Jesus needed a little push. Oh boy, how many times do I think I need to help God out a little bit, when things don’t seem to be going the right way.

    We can all look at what happened 2000 years ago with 20/20 hindsight, but all the apostles at that time had no idea what was going to happen. No one knew what was going to happen. All that the people knew was that some obscure carpenter was shaking up the religious leaders.

    I keep thinking of the song “How Deep the Father’s Love” by Stuart Townend.

    I don’t know if we are allowed to quote lyrics on this blog but the lines I keep hearing are:

    Behold the Man upon a cross,
    My sin upon His shoulders
    Ashamed I hear my mocking voice,
    Call out among the scoffers

    It was my sin that held Him there
    Until it was accomplished
    His dying breath has brought me life
    I know that it is finished

  41. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblesssed… 3-4 7:51 you’ve led me to a verse my NIV does not have (Hebrews8:13)as it stops at verse twelve, but it does have Hebrews 10:16-17 that covers well, the very missing one from Chapter 8.
    God Always Provides… and then verse 18 which says:
    “And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer
    any sacrifice for sin.”
    Sounds like we are home free after our Salvation experience, until you read on to verse 25: “If we delierately keep on sinning after we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sin is left, but only fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”
    I would call “that sorry condition” a definitive falling away, and forever.
    As Christ said to Judas, Yes, it is you who will petray me,and that was right right after he said, it would be better for him, the one who petrays me,if he had not been born. We cannot say that Judas did not have complete fore-knowledge, he knowingly acted and went unrepentant.
    To second guess his Eternal position, may be a mute point. I believe I’ve been taught that the taking of your own life, is like trying to be your own god,is not a forgiveable condition, for only Almighty God should decide who gets to live and when they should die!
    Be Blessed, Gary

  42. bratimus says:

    Ultimately the fate of Judas is in God’s hands. How would it Change Christianity if we knew the outcome of Judas if he was forgiven or condemned. A lot of Jesus parables spoken of who would be saved and who wouldn’t be saved. The disciples lack of understand of things when with Jesus give us the Lesson of Jesus teachings today. My grandmother once told me to wonder and ponder the things around what Jesus did, can get you off track of why Jesus did them.

  43. sitsathisfeet says:

    Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ – The thing I thought of was how John commented in John 12:6 how greed was a motivating factor with Judas, how he used to help himself to the money bag. Man’s sinfulness has not changed. I also thought about my mom who passed away to be with the Lord almost a year ago and one of the latter discussions we had about scripture was about Judas, how sad she felt that he sucumbed to temptation and squandered his life unto death. It motivates me in my prayer life as I pray for myself and others to not be led into temptation, and to release those I know from the sin bondage of drugs, alcohol, money, greed, pride, power etc. My church has a prayer group, we pray for our pastor, our church family, our families, the community, our leaders in government etc. Though we cannot know God’s design in all things, we can trust in Him in all things and keep all things in prayer. Please pray for my daughter in the Navy, she deploys again next week. Please also pray for my youngest son and I after our move and custody, visitation and relations with his father. And for our whole family whose loss of our mother was a blow to the glue that held our family together, now everyone is scattered. Thank you so much for your prayers. God Bless!

  44. bec4jc says:

    Hi everyone, again I read thru these posts and I find some I identify with and some new to me thoughts. While it makes for some good homework and a good education, it’s scary,too. There are both kinds of posts…1. edifying & positive position and 2. scary and working on negetive on one’s faith(my faith). I guess that’s what this blog is all about anyway. But, I need to ask here…are we searching the scriptures to build our faith and come closer to God and His Son or are we looking for flaws that make our faith weaker? Sorry to tell you this but I think the devil is in the details. If we get to the point where we’re looking up scriptures to try to understand all of God’s thoughts & reasonings then we are not working on\our faith. I’m very thankful to those of you who are posting positive for faith posts because without you I would be doubting and this blog would have lost me a long time ago. Please, don’t take offense,any of you and especially Mart. It may be that I’m not ready after all for something like this. I think I best stick to the ODB’s and books that is carried by RBC ministries. It just may be that my faith isn’t that strong yet for this kind of thing. Funny, I’ve been reading in this blog almost since it started, for me to come to this conclusion.

  45. foreverblessed says:

    Bec4jc, I feel with you. I have been in a church which would constantly warn against falling away, and I know all the verses is the NT which warn.
    I will not quote them here. THat is why I did not attend church for a long time. I only read christian books which talked about the positive verses in the bible. I had to read them over and over again. But when I would read one more warning verse, I was swept away again into being unsure.
    We can be sure about our being a child of GOd, if we hold on to our faith.
    And our faith will be tested, so it is good that we encourage each other, despite setbacks, sickness:
    Hold on, do not leave your faith.
    You do not have to read all the warnings, to whom it is appropriate let him take heart. BUt if you seriously are sure about your self being a child of GOd. DO not start to waver about it, feeling unsure. THat’s not the point.

    If the shoe fits put him on, as the saying goes.
    If you do not deliberately go on sinning, then why be uncertain about your calling and election?

  46. florida7sun says:

    With respect to Sirhan Sirhan there is an interesting report in the Pasadena Weekly that raises questions about the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (“The Real Manchurian Candidate” by Carl Kozlowski, 11.16.2006).

    It was interesting to read about some of the inconsistencies in the case, as well as “the polka dot lady.” As with the assassination of John F. Kennedy, quite a bit of evidence has either been destroyed or has never seen the light of day. We read part of “the story” but there is a great deal we do not know.

    Likewise, who can comprehend the awesomeness of our Heavenly Father? I know we will have a clearer understanding in the presence of our Lord and Savior.

    In reading God’s Word though I always come back to the Cross and John 3:16.

    I take comfort in knowing without a shadow of doubt that “Jesus loves me. This I know for the Bible tells me so.”

    Time and again, He has spoken to me through His Word, and each day with Jesus is sweeter than the day before.

    Ray

  47. oneg2dblu says:

    bec4jc… your faith is always strong enough.
    Always tested, and ever growing. Faith that is not tested, is not to be trusted. Yes, the devil is in the details, and Christ is in the main body of all we share!
    Be Blessed, Gary

  48. oneg2dblu says:

    bratimus… 3-4 8:07 “like Venders in the temple selling doves…” great analogy!
    I treasure all that Mart has set before us, for it captures us, holds us ransom, and keeps us in the effort of sharing ideas for Him, “Jesus!”
    As for the Judas issue, saved or not? That is purely God’s alone to decide, to be completed to the Satifaction of His Will, not ours! So, for the issue like the guilt or innocence of Sirhan Sirhan, it changes nothing for us, it is past history, written correctly or not, it should not concern us as much as our mission in this moment we live. Spreading the Good News where we are accecpted, and shaking the dust off our feet where we are not, and leaving God’s Word to do its work in His timing! The blessing to me, of these dicussions are that we bring “all veiws” into the light, where darkness does not want to be revealed, and deception is so obvious to those who have been given eyes to see and ears to hear! For we cannot hear what we do not understand, and understanding comes from the hearing of the Word of God. This is why WE are here, and it is what We are all about! Then, I read your latest post… Right on! Gary

  49. djc1063 says:

    I liked your post, bec4jc. It can get confusing and discouraging to read some posts but I think it important that we understand that these posts, all of them, are just a small sampling of what each person has to offer, and being written , we don’t get the emotions and further, immediate explanation that each has to offer like in a face to face conversation. We all come from vast differences in upbringing, teachings and experiences but it seems to me that we’re all seeking the truth found in Jesus. We’re just at different levels in our understanding. I think it’s important to know that as believers, we all have a measure of faith, just some more so than others. If what someone says brings doubt and uncertainty, first ask God for protection from deceit and inquire of Him what the truth is. You have no need that any man teach you but the Holy Spirit will guide and direct you. However, I think it’s good that we’re all challenged by one another. It causes us to press in more for knowledge and understanding which I don’t believe is wrong for us to do. Faith is essential, so hang on to that as you trust God to lead you through the uncertainties and questions of life. Hope my response wasn’t off your mark.

  50. oneg2dblu says:

    Ray… thanks for your post it is what we all need to hear.It is what I have used myself, when in the pit of life inside of me, the voice of a child from planted seeds long ago singing, “Jesus Loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so..” Words of Life!!
    Just the other day I found these words written on a plaque, “Jesus knows me, this I love!!!”
    It touched a part of me that still makes me weep as I write it out! We are chosen and blessed for the knowledge that God has imparted to us through His Holy Word and Holy Spirit, even as children, we come to Him! Gary

  51. SFDBWV says:

    The thing about milk is that apart from its nourishing effects if left out too long it can sour. It also can attract flies, and become quite odious.

    One has to also remember that from sour milk comes butter, cheese, cream, and other good tasting side uses.

    Our blog much like milk seems to be able to have the same effect.

    Steve

  52. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… your words ring so very true, “If you do not deliberately go on sinning… it is the result of a God-changed mind. Not self denial so much as renewed thinking. For we choose not to go on sinnig. It is the “ever present” Fruit of the Spirit revealing its potential in the Born Again Believer. The world is watching, learning, and yet continues to reject the truth, for it is not “yet called” to be under the same conviction, it remains where sin rules the mind! Gary

  53. djc1063 says:

    Mart, my mind wants to “lock up” when I think of all the evil and wicked things I did when I was younger. How idiotic and senseless they were. How could I have been so stupid? Well, thank God, I have not parted from the training and upbringing that my parents instilled in me. Doesn’t mean that I follow everything they taught me at this point in my life, but am still seeking and growing and questioning. All I can say is that I thank God for his immense patience with me and allowing me to live this long to see how much evil is in the world and yet how much unconditional love and goodness is found in Him. Judas didn’t get the time to “turn his life around”. He apparently felt such remorse that he couldn’t stand to live with himself anymore. Does hypnosis really work? I don’t know. But if it does, it would not be hard to get an unsaved person to do such an evil thing since it is prevalent in everyone who do not turn from it to the Savior. Evil is so chaotic and senseless that I don’t comprehend the depths of it. Just like it’s hard for me to comprehend the depths of God’s love for me. Astounding when I think of it.

  54. florida7sun says:

    This week Hilary Clinton criticized U.S. media for the fluff and commercials in its broadcasts. She said that “real news” could be found in “Aljazeera.”

    In yesterday’s edition of “Aljazeera” (March 4, 2011) on the op-ed page is an article by Omar Ashour entitled “The son also slaughters” referencing Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, son of Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi.

    A few days earlier on national television, in addressing the Libyan people, Sail-al-Islam promised them “a sea of blood” if they would not submit to his will. I immediately thought of our discussion here, as the Son of Perdition (Satan) entered the Son of Perdition (Judas) to kill and destroy.

    The wonder of God’s Word is Jesus’ expression of love for us. The wonder of His cross and resurrection is that we have hope and look forward to His second coming in glory.

    No where else can we find peace and purpose, for He created us in His image.

    Love to all, Ray

  55. poohpity says:

    It would seem that there is to much emphasis put on our responses to the posts. The bible holds the riddles and the answers. In careful study one can see that it was prophesied about Judas as being part of God’s sovereign plan in Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:11,12; Matthew 20:18; 26:20-25; Acts:16,20. God knew what choice Judas would make and knew that Judas could change his mind but wouldn’t.

    Judas does us a favor if he makes us think a second time about our commitment to God and the presence of His Spirit within us. Are we true disciples and followers, or uncommitted pretenders? Judas’ betrayal sent Jesus to the Cross to guarantee that second choice, our only chance. Will we accept His free gift, or like Judas, betray Him? (Life Application Bible pg. 1449)

  56. lostinthe60s says:

    My hope is Judas found that God had forgiven him. The bible clearly shows he had repented of the act. Something I guess we have to wait and see if that is true.
    As to the “Sirhan did not act alone and was hypnotized” theory it has been proven you can not be hypnotized with out you wanting to be hypnotized. Interesting that there is the want in the equation. Did Judas want to betray Jesus or was there another motive for the act?

  57. oneg2dblu says:

    lostinthe60s… I do not see anything about his repenting to God, unless you feel that trying to return the silver to the Priest’s was a form of true repentance. I only see a worldly sorrow filled reaction.
    True repentance would be better served, had he returned himself “Back to God” instead. Judas made several wrong decissions that would effect his eternity, he chose to steal, he chose to petray Christ, and chose to take his own life.

  58. oneg2dblu says:

    cont’d… sorry, I pushed the wrong button!
    I seem to do that to fellow bloggers as well.
    I do take full responsiblity for any mis-quotes
    that would cause harm to others. Truth can be offensive to some as well. Which is worse? Remaining silent as to not offend, or sharing our piked position of thought for others.
    Matthew 10: 32-33 speaks a truth, one that was known by Judas before, during, and after. Gary

  59. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… I’m not sure how to repond to the milk association, and the blog, for meat can rot as well!
    Perhaps spilled milk, fallen crumbs, and meat left undevoured, are all wasted unless used by God!
    God it seems is always left to pick up the pieces, cover the messes we leave, and give a sweet fragrence to that which we sometimes distastfully spit out!
    Does anyone have a mint? Gary

  60. bec4jc says:

    Hi guys, I read your posts and I wanted to let you know that I did. I guess it was a weak moment for me at the time. Foreverblessed, Gary, and djc: thank you for the reassuring words.

    djc-I’m hangin on, Gary-I’m going to make a poster with the words “Jesus knows me,this I love!” and tape it to the fridge. foreverblessed-I will probably continue to read the warnings to remind me what I do not want to go back to but, I will not take them so seriously that they make me start to think that I’m doomed unless I know that I am. My faith is stronger then it’s ever been but as was said before, I being tested and I should expect to be tested. After all so was Jesus tested in the wilderness hills. Thank you again for the comforting and loving words.

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