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For a Healthy Heart

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Two recent articles on developments in heart research sound promising. One talks about a form of gene therapy that uses a heart-healing virus to help rebuild heart muscle. Another describes the effectiveness of using the crisis that requires a procedure to open one blocked artery as an occasion to clear out the rest of the vessels as well— rather than waiting for another event to occur.

Together these articles renewed my appreciation for modern medical research and therapy– while reminding me of the greater problem we all face.

Physically and spiritually, our need for a healthy heart is as critical as it is obvious. It’s also apparent that the God-given gifts of pain and diagnostics are not the same as God-given solutions.

Jesus, as we all know, emphasized a healthy heart above all necessary concerns for the body. He even went so far as to tell his disciples that unless the health of their hearts was better than the hearts of religious leaders of their day, they would not enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:20).

Depending on how we hear those words, they may, or may not, sound like the loving words of a great physician. They also might not resonate with what Jesus was doing in drawing crowds of hurting people to himself, healing their sicknesses and diseases, and declaring the good news of the kingdom (Matt 4:23-25).

Yet when taken together with the opening words of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount (from which Matt 5:20 is lifted), they take on a different meaning. I’m wondering if we can hear the Teacher saying something like,

“Try not to forget what I’ve been saying. I’m am bringing you good news. I want to help all of you, whoever you are, to see your hearts in a way that will cause you to invite me into your lives— not only to forgive you, and to urge you to honor me above all others, but to give you reason to let me reorder your inner world. I want so much for you to see that,

Only when you lose confidence in yourself will you see your need of me.

     How can I comfort you until you begin to mourn your attempts to live apart from me?

      Only when you stop fighting me and give me permission to begin re-ordering your inner world will I give you more than you ever hoped for.

     I will fill your life to overflowing when you begin to hunger and thirst for the kind of rightness that comes from my heart rather than your own.

      Being right with me will give you a heart of mercy for others.

     Mercy will wash the windows of your heart and enable you to see the reassuring presence of God, above, beneath, in, and around you.

     Once you begin to see that the battles of your lives are in the hands of your God, you will see why I’m changing your self-protective ways with the heart of a peace-maker. ”

Admittedly, this is a pretty loose paraphrase. But if we don’t catch the intent of what Jesus is saying in his opening words, couldn’t we be inclined to think that the rest of his Sermon on the Mount is a confusing mix between a moral idealism we have no hope of experiencing– or  else just a challenge to look deeper and to try harder to solve the problem being signaled by our pain?


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  1. SFDBWV says:

    My father (born in 1914) had a small bout with what they called polio, the result was that his left leg was a little smaller than the other which always gave him a slight limp, but never held him back or disabled him.

    Dr. Jonas Sulk also born in 1914 made his miracle discovery public in April 1955, for all purposes polio has almost become extinct as a result.

    Heart disease, cancer, diabetes, stroke and mental disabilities all await their turn at a *miracle* cure.

    It seems the freedoms and finances that have over the centuries enabled us to cure many of life’s ills have become lost to other “more urgent” desires from humanity. Or perhaps entangled into political or more profitable ventures, leaving modern would be Dr. Sulk’s and others stifled and unable to fulfill their dreams.

    All of our fathers including us inherited a disease of the soul called sin, God sent a miracle cure for all to be cured of their malady, however some refuse to take the cure, choosing rather to enjoy the effects of the sickness.

    As I read Mart’s comment I was flowing with his thoughts until I came to the last sentence and something caught my attention; “a challenge to look deeper and try harder to solve the problem” it is here that I have to stop and comment.

    This is the *thing* that divides most believers today as I see it.

    We can not solve the problem and all of our trying to is an exercise in futility and the epitome of redundancy. God solved the problem with Jesus of Nazareth all we need do is accept that.

    His cure is a changed heart a healed soul and eternal salvation.

    Becoming a hypochondriac and still believing we have the symptoms of sin and so looking to please God by *trying* not to sin all over again is just that, going to a *quack* because the real doctor has proclaimed you healed and you just don’t want to believe it.

    Steve

  2. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Steve, we just have to accept God and let Him take over, surrender to Him, but how difficult that is..

    To accept Jesus who tells us as Mart writes ” to let Me reorder your inner world.”

    Our inner world, it was a chaos before Jesus came:
    2 Cor 4:6
    Genesis 1:1-2,3 There was the light, and then we saw what a chaos it was in out hearts: it was black, only water, no skye no land, nowhere to have anything to grow, a realisation that we are lost without God, without Jesus! Evening came, and the night would start, the darkness would start, and we are lost!
    But lo and behold, immediately morning starts: the sunrise of Jesus into our lives! Genesis 1:4-5 He came and rescued us, and the next day starts!
    It is the glorious light of God in the face of Jesus that rescues us, and these list of things that Jesus mentioned in the beautitudes are a promse to us, that if our inner world is redefined by God through Jesus, the chaos that was our inner world is made that we hand over to God, He will organise it, and make it blossom, He will make some drye land in our hearts, where seeds will be sown, so plants and trees will grow, fruit will grow on our branches, fish will swim on our waters, birds will fly in our skyes. Our lives will flourish, just like the earth blossomed and thrived by the work of God.
    If God can make a beauty of the world that was in chaos, can He not make our little chaos a beauty!
    That makes me think of the beautitudes, yes:
    A person who lives in the beautitudes,
    all as a result of the the light of the knowledge of glory of God in the face of Christ.
    The glory of God will appear in our lives in (through) Christ!

  3. cbrown says:

    No comment yet on this blog. Thank you Mart for challenging us and all who post here!I do not think you could have as effective a discussion in Sunday school or church. I am motivated by these discussions to read my Bible more intently and research points that are brought up.

  4. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, I have a message for you on the last topic, I love you dear girl!

  5. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    Mart, your paraphrase works for me! I have experienced teaching that calls the Sermon on the Mount “Jesus’ Law.” Taking the I-can-do-this attitude to the Beatitudes will reduce Jesus’ teaching to a kind of regulation for conduct. Not sure that works.

    You wrote:
    “Mercy will wash the windows of your heart and enable you to see the reassuring presence of God, above, beneath, in, and around you.”

    I take this portion of your paraphrase to be somewhere near verse eight of Matthew 5. We do “look out of” the windows of our hearts. This is much like “opening the eyes of your hearts,” (Ephesians 1:17, 18) the Apostle Paul refers to when he prays for us to look upon the world with hope.

    Eugene Peterson translates it this way:
    “You’re blessed when you get your inside world—your mind and heart—put right. Then you can see God in the outside world.” (Matt 5:8, MSG)

    The “heart trouble ” of humans is surely that absence of purity which darkens the eyes of our hearts. It seems to me the world-weary heart cannot believe that Jesus can purify it (wash the window;, put our inside world right). The cure surely is the breakthrough of the kingdom in us.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  6. remarutho says:

    Hoped to compare your “wash the windows” with “put our inside world right” – in the Message. The above typo may have been so awkward that my meaning was lost. Maru

  7. Wayne says:

    I believe the unforgiveness we have in our hearts is like blocked arteries that need to be opened. So blood & oxygen can flow to and from the heart freely.
    Keep in touch, Wayne

  8. poohpity says:

    I pray for a heart condition like that, one that desires God and shows mercy above all else. 1 Sam 16:7 NIV; Luke 16:15 NIV

  9. poohpity says:

    Micah 6:8 NIV; Hosea 6:6 NIV

  10. 1000yrsofpeace says:

    Been following this blog with interest and silently for about 7 years, off and on. Started with recieving a copy of Daily Bread in the mail and used it as the bases for my morning study and devotion. When I started computing I also include this blog as part of the routine. Many interesting bloggers have came and went and many have stayed.Matt often comments on straying off topic,but for me some of those were the most thought provoking and interesting as were some of the less sofisticated and more caustic bloggers. I doubt I will post often as my focus is more of a recieving of thought than of a giving of thought.Prayers to all!!!

  11. poohpity says:

    1000, thank you for coming out of the background. It seems when we share our thoughts we share a little of who we are and how God has effected our lives thus showing the diversity of all those who are called children of the King.

  12. cherielyn says:

    Have been reading the posts & comments but have been unable to comment myself due to situations here.

    I had an MRI last Friday.  The neurologist’s office called today with the results.  I have two tumors at the base of my brain.  One is pressing on my Trigeminal Nerve which is the cause of the facial pain I have been experiencing for the past 7+ years. I am being referred to a neurosurgeon. Would appreciate your prayers.

    I had to take my friend to an eye doctor appointment today. When I got in my car & turned on the Christian radio station, Haddon Robinson, Mart & Alice were on Discover the Word & it was about worry. Only God could have orchestrated that! I AM NOT worried! Resting in HIM.

  13. poohpity says:

    Oh my dearly loved sister you can count on us to cover you in prayer. It knocked the air out of me to hear what you are going through. I love you, Deb

  14. remarutho says:

    Dear Cherielyn —

    Prayers going up over here. God is good. Blessings on your doctors, their technicians and nursing teams. Praying that your healing will be complete — and a great revelation to all those who hear of it.

    Yours,
    Maru

  15. lovely says:

    Dear Cherielyn
    Proverbs 4
    20 My son, pay attention to what I say;
    turn your ear to my words.
    21 Do not let them out of your sight,
    keep them within your heart;
    22 for they are life to those who find them
    and health to one’s whole body.
    Isaiah 53:5
    But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

    Jesus bring healing to Cherielyn Your daughter
    In Jesus name

  16. foreverblessed says:

    Cherilyn, my prayers for you too. I pray that you may see with spiritual eyes, and I pray that we may see it with you. And glorify God for His love, His wisdom.I pray that your faith may grow bigger and bigger, that your rest in Him may grow stronger and stronger, that you may keep your worries out of your mind, with the flaming sword of God’s Word:, that sends the worries away!
    Lovely, what a lovely bible verses, what a treasure we have in God’s living Word, He said so, and He will do it Isaiah 55:11

  17. SFDBWV says:

    Cherielyn, certainly you have our prayers, especially concerning this distressing news.

    God will not forsake you, nor abandon you, stay firm in your faith and keep us informed as matters unfold.

    How are things for Mike?

    Steve

  18. SFDBWV says:

    In looking at the *heart* of Mart’s subject I am reminded once again at the fact of how many times our attitudes change as we get older.

    Life has a way (for some) of teaching us patience and tolerance as well as giving us an understanding that may lead to forgiveness becoming easier to enter into.

    Views we may have adopted in the early stages of life mellow over time and where we may have been stoic we become more willing to listen.

    Paul said we are fed milk from the Word of God while we are new at learning and then meat only when we are able to *digest* it.

    As I observe the comments of some I am reminded that no matter what age they may be or even how long they may claim to have been a Christian I am left to wonder if they should not still be on milk and not try to digest the more solid meat of Scripture.

    As their stomach can’t handle some of the truths of Scripture and their indigestion sounds a lot like confusion as a result.

    Jesus offers us the spiritual healing of our hearts so that we want forgiveness for everyone, we hope for forgiveness for everyone.

    With a cured heart we begin to *see* a different action from God that is not punishment or wrathful, rather one that seeks to forgive and welcome all back into right standing with Him.

    With a cured heart what we look for in Scripture we find.

    Believe in forgiveness and believe in God’s desire to forgive and the threats of punishment become less and less important to you because you become more and more reliant on God and less reliant on your ability to not sin.

    The healthy heart believes, relies, and trusts in God alone.

    Steve

  19. BruceC says:

    Cherielyn,

    I will keep you in prayer sister. The Lord is with you.

    I also have a report of God’s hand at work. My oldest brother was driving up to New Jersey to my next oldest brother’s house. He was on Route 78 in Pennsylvania and he and his wife had to stop in the right lane because of an accident. He looked in his side view mirror and saw a lumber truck stopped behind him. Behind that he saw an 18 wheel Fed Ex tractor trailer coming on fast. He started to pull into the empty left lane and the 18 wheeler skidded into the lumber truck and then that one plowed into him. He and his wife were shook up but did not go to the hospital, The lumber truck driver had minor injuries, The Fed Ex driver had to be pried from the wreck and taken from the scene by helo. The Lord was there at that time; but the rest of the family called it luck. Please pray that God open their eyes and that the Heart Surgeon do a work.
    Be back next week. We all have a wedding to attend and that is why my brother was coming up to New Jersey.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  20. cbrown says:

    Cherielyn, praying for you.

  21. oneg2dblu says:

    Cherielyn, He guides us in the way to go, He arrives before us and is with us when we are there, and He also lingers. or remains as a sweet fragrence when we leave.
    You my sister have brought Him with you today.
    We all feel His presence and His fragrence is found spreading everywhere in our prayers for you.
    Be Blessed, Gary

  22. poohpity says:

    Yes Steve, spiritual maturity is sort of the opposite from the maturity of the natural man. The natural man grows up from being dependent on our parents and then we learn to be more self reliant and independent of them to being interdependent with the world around us.

    Spiritual maturity we go from being self reliant back to being born again which brings us back to dependency but not on ourselves but dependent on God. As we learn more about God as we grow up in our faith as it were we learn to trust more and more on Him then the more dependent we become on Him and less on our old thoughts, reasoning, strength and characteristics of the natural man who most often says I have to do it myself with no help from anyone. We have to die to that old way by losing confidence in ourselves and putting that confidence in God. Sort of upside down from growing up in the world of man.

    The more we let go of control the more God works on our heart condition. We become weak then He becomes strong. We let go of the striving to earn love to resting in His love then we learn mercy. When we grow up or mature in God the less of us people will see and the more of Him will shine through. We will no longer need to take the lead we will allow Him to lead as we follow, He will be the shepherd and we will be OK with being the sheep.

  23. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve,
    “With a cured heart what we look for in Scripture we find.”

    “Paul said we are fed milk from the Word of God while we are new at learning and then meat only when we are able to *digest* it.”

    I wish your cured heart had stopped you from posting at that point, but it did not…

  24. BruceC says:

    Gary,

    Please explain your comment. I see nothing wrong with Steve’s post. We are to rely on God’s strength through the Holy Spirit and not upon our own strength.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  25. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Steve, at 6:31 am you wrote:

    “With a cured heart we begin to *see* a different action from God that is not punishment or wrathful, rather one that seeks to forgive and welcome all back into right standing with Him.”

    Growth and maturity in the “full stature of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13) is not becoming

    a lone-ranger Christian, riding the range for God. Rather, I believe Paul is saying we are knit together into the body of Christ so that our dependence upon him — and upon our fellow believers grows. It does not diminish over time.

    “But speaking the truth in love, we must grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by every ligament with which it is equipped, as each part is working properly, promotes the body’s growth in building itself up in love.” (Ephesians 4:15, 16)

    Blessings,
    Maru

  26. remarutho says:

    I am using the NRSV this morning. That accounts for the slight difference in the wording in Ephesians, if you compare my quote with the RefTagger’s ESV. The meaning is the same. Maru

  27. narrowpathseeker says:

    Cherielyn, I too am praying for you. I know that you have already been through some very difficult times and now this and while it could be very discouraging…please remember Joseph and all he went through and how it worked out for his good as well as much good for his people. Please hold tight to that thought…

    Love
    Pearl

  28. phpatato says:

    Cherielyn

    Please know that I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

    I love you my dear sister.

    Pat

  29. narrowpathseeker says:

    I see nothing wrong with Steve’s comment either. Moreover, I agree with every word.

  30. phpatato says:

    Pearl – I cannot overcome the problem with my email address on this site. I gave it to you by posting it here directly, but the moderator removed my post. I can understand why but I thought I’d try anyway. Just want you to know I’ve tried everything I can think of, while wishing that I was a bit more tech savvy, and that I haven’t forgotten. I think of you often.

    Pat

  31. poohpity says:

    “Once you begin to see that the battles of your lives are in the hands of your God, you will see why I’m changing your self-protective ways(defensiveness) with the heart of a peace-maker.”

    I think perhaps the problem came when one wanted to one up another. Looking down or feeling superior to a brother/sister and judging them on their spiritual maturity or immaturity rather than just being glad whether they are drinking milk or eating meat they have come to the table.

  32. phpatato says:

    Bruce

    So thankful that your brother and his wife weren’t hurt in the accident! I hope they weren’t inconvenienced too much with having their car wrecked and being far from home. Have a great weekend with your family. Best wishes to the Bride and Groom.

    Pat

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    How do I dare start to explain myself without feeling like I’m also serving my own desries by being just as judgemental?

    I thought Paul’s teaching was sufficient. Period.

    To me, it seems that we are not the ones to get behind Paul’s teaching and then grab the gavel, unless of course our more mature and cured mind and healthy heart, reads and finds that we must.

    Then, we rant.

    Then it is our turn to be the designated driver and to pass our judgement on others.

    My point is, and I’ll keep it short, we are all guilty of judging others, whether we are more mature and cured, or not.

    I found today’s inciteful comments on why we actually still sin, as we do not follow the will of the Father, as found on the Two Listeners, God at Eventide, which I had read prior to Steve’s comments.

    Perhaps that reading may have shed some light on my need to sin, or just share my perspective.

    I thought that Paul’s teaching was given more to the body of believers, and Steve’s, much more pointed one to certain confused individuals comments.

    Perhaps I was looking to find fault in others as well.

    Now, I’ll add in a loving verse to cover over my naked comments like a fig leaf, and everyone will smile at my loving generousity and knowledge.
    Gary

  34. foreverblessed says:

    Gary, I was just going to ask you about todays God at eventide. When we put our desire in following God, we will have no desire to sin. Sin is conquered by Jesus, so why is it such an enemy? The only thing that can make us sin, is our desire. So if we put our desire on God, there is no desire for sin, and sin has no power over us, we who do not want to sin.
    The reason that in the New Testament there is so much emphasis on: loving God.
    Love is the answer to all- Loving God.
    If you read things in that perspective, then it is good that people are encouraged to love God, and no need to be afraid that there is so much talk on love. Love conquers everything.

  35. foreverblessed says:

    The reason that there is so much emphasis on loving God, is that as sin has no power on anybody who does not want to sin, Then all that could lead to sin is desire. If the desire is set on loving God, we are saved from sin.

  36. phpatato says:

    Gary, just to clarify….did you mean to write “inciteful” as in the meaning – to provoke or stir up as in to incite a riot or provoke people or things to action

    or

    did you mean to write insightful as in – exhibiting insight or clear and deep perception

    Not trying to correct spelling mistakes or anything..please know that! I am just trying to understand what it is you are trying to say.

  37. poohpity says:

    Gary sounds like the Lord has spoken to your heart. :-)

  38. oneg2dblu says:

    Pat… I meant incite, to stir up, bring to action, yes.
    We must make a stand against all sin, if you will.
    I find this complacency we modern thinkers have put on our sin life as being of no ill effect, is very troubling to me or to those others like me, who need to constantly be on guard or we will slip into sin’s ever growing temptations.
    I am not talking about a testing of faith in God, but the reality of how deadly sin can be if it is not taken very seriously.
    Our feeling we are already safe from any and all sin, as relying on an, “It can’t have me,” attitude, is akin to allowing temptation to sway our deceptive desire to play with sin.

    Like our need to be actively and consciously following Christ, not passively waiting for Him to lead us out of temptation which constantly surrounds us all, but to be earnestly praying daily, to deliver us from this evil one.

    If sin is seen as distant and passive, like a God who is working in the background but not in your daily walk, then we are already actively deceived.

    Sin is always crouching at your door and seeks to devour you.

    The moment you think otherwise, you are not thinking very wise.
    Gary

  39. oneg2dblu says:

    Forever…If sin has no power over us but we still remain in it, then we choose to remain in it, and if not, then our desire for it has the power over us instead.

    Who do you think is feeding that desire?

    Certainly is not our love for Christ.

    This is not a trick faith testing question, because I know you beleive in Christ and you love Him.

    Consider it as just a reality check about our free will choices, and who but us makes those choices for us?

    If we continue to claim we can not, not continue to sin, then do we also claim we can not fully love Christ?

    Just a thought…

  40. narrowpathseeker says:

    Hi Pat. There is a link below the sign in window to register. Could you use your maiden name or just change the spelling of your name in some small way and register as a new person with the correct email address? It may be worth a try. I hope all is well with you.

    Pearl

  41. phpatato says:

    Pearl

    I tried that already. I got an email from RBC Ministries and I can sign into that profile with that new name. I can’t access Beenthinking because it says I’m not registered with them. I don’t have this site on my dashboard and I am hard pressed to figure out how to do that. So I now have two accounts with WordPress…one is the phpatato account with an old outdated email address that won’t accept my new email address because it is already in use for the new account that I signed up with. The new account has got the correct email address but I can’t do anything more with it because it says I’m not registered with RBC Ministries even though they sent me an email. I’m confused. I even tried deleting both accounts so that I could start over but WordPress does not allow you to cancel your account. They say if you want to cancel, don’t use the account ever again – forget you even have one. Which sounds pretty silly to me. If I want to cancel an account, I should be able to cancel an account, not to just forget it and it will go away…which it never will. lol I even tried changing the new account with a brand new gmail address but again it won’t take it because I am not recognized with RBC Ministries.

    At this point, I am not sure if I even know my real name. hahaha

    Everything is status quo right now. Thanks for asking.
    I do hope all is fine with you too!

    Pat

  42. lovely says:

    Gary I think you post an interesting and important question. Because that is why Jesus came. If I understand your comment correctly when you say we choose to remain in sin you’re saying we’re all prone to sin right? Or have sinned.. from 1 John 1:10 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
    And that We should not continue to sin 1 John 3:9 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin,. Therefore my answer will be in Philippians 2:12 where paul say to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. We’re prone to sin because one is because of what Adam did we have that sinful nature in us but yes with Jesus we have the freedom not to continue sinning. Therefore from sin to perfection.. is a process.. the reason why we’re still unfinished products.. but aiming for perfection.That’s why I think why we’re still here. The thing about modern thinking is that we want everything microwave.. put in press a button ..done.. That’s not how God works… How do we not continue sinning ?by abiding in his word 1 John 3:9 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. Yes Sometimes its hard when you can’t see your enemy.. Works with your mind especially Romans 7:23 . But Jesus has overcome the world and yes through love.. we can overcome hatred..& etc.. because love cover over the multitude of sin 1 Peter 4:8
    just my thoughts

  43. foreverblessed says:

    Gary, at Sep 13 3.15 pm
    if sin has no power over us but we still remain in it……
    this adding: but we still remain in it
    -we, that is you and me: you do not remain in sin, neither do I.
    So the rest of your reasoning is not of any use for us.
    -if it is somebody else, then we should address that person on the actual sin he or she is staying in. We should bring the sin to light, and the rest of your reasoning is of no use either.

    But as is it: You and I and I think all of us here: we dearly love Jesus, we desire to follow Him, we do not want to sin.
    So in that case we are shielded from sin, as Jesus has conquered sin. So we can rest assured then, no need to fear or be anxious.
    And for all extra information of us being shielded; we have the armour of God:
    Eph 6:10-17

    But the point Mart is making is that Jesus actually asks us to surrender to Him, and let Him be the King of our lives.
    Surrender my will to God. That is a great step, a step of faith. I am no longer in control. Jesus is.
    So Jesus wants us to get to know HIm better, because you cannot surrender to Someone who you do not know.
    An intimite relation is being developed, the Sep 7 of God at eventide was a good description of this relation, the heart that craves to be loved and known very deeply, it is best done with our Maker, He is the best goal of our desire, He fills us all in all to the overfull, His love, peace, joy Gal 5:22-23
    If our hearts are so filled with these spiritual treasures we have no desire to fill it with earthly desires.
    So my advice is: over come evil with good.

  44. foreverblessed says:

    Hello Lovely, we were posting at the same time, I got the mote: you are to quick in posting, slow down….ha ha, that gave me good laugh,
    thanks for your comment, I got to go, but you say the same thing, love conquers all, God’s love

  45. SFDBWV says:

    In truth I have to thank Gary for having an opposing view concerning the discussion as without a counter opinion the conversation would be quite different.

    So thank you Gary for giving at least me the opportunity to express my heart felt ideology concerning Mart’s topic of a changed heart.

    I would ask the question, who among us is able to be victorious over sin?

    Also who in Scripture is given credit for overcoming sin?

    When John is in heaven and the voice proclaims no one in heaven or earth is *worthy* to open the seals, only to announce that there is only *one* in all existence *worthy* and He is the Lamb of God, shown to John as He was slain.

    He is Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Christ, our Lord, our sacrifice and our substitute for punishment.

    The changed heart of we undeserving people accepts and believes the credits given to Jesus and so rests on the truth He offers us.

    He overcame sin, not us.

    When Jesus said that if the eye offends to pluck it out, is he literally telling us to gouge out our eyes if by looking at sin and it causing us to desire it that removing the eye would cure the problem?

    No removing the eye would not change the intent of the heart.

    Only by Jesus’ healing of the heart do we see and see properly.

    Only with the heart of Jesus can we begin to see God clearly, to see people accurately, to see the plan of God to glorify Himself and the Son through the action of the cross and the divine justice forgiveness presents towards mankind.

    God offers us rest through Jesus, if not rest from the threats, worries and burdens of sin, then rest from what?

    Steve

  46. cbrown says:

    This blog is “like” a little church and the daily devotionals are sermons and I want to SHOUT.PRAISE GOD! PRAISE GOD! PRAISE GOD!

  47. oneg2dblu says:

    lovely… your reply brings with it confirmation instead of accusation, it lifts and it reaffirms, it credits and is lovely to the ears, and it gets its message across without using any exagerated extremes,
    just sweet truth revealed!
    You have a great gift, and thank God who gave it to you and for your sharing it here.
    I believe we are all blessed both by your understanding and your delivery.
    Gary

  48. petros says:

    Wow, It’s been a long time since I have been here, and even longer since I last commented. I love it when anyone boldly and with the authority and power of the Holy expounds, teaches or otherwise comments on the sermon on the mount, without backpedaling away from it’s truth and concluding that “Jesus didn’t really mean” such and such, or “Jesus doesn’t intend for you to be a door mat”, etc.
    God wants to change us all, CONTINUALLY, through-out our remaining years as we walk with him. And when he takes us home, we will have our bodies dramatically and forever renewed, and also the areas of our hearts and minds that still have even hints of darkness.
    When I first picked up on BTA, in around 2008, give or take, Mart shared his thought in a piece entitled “Jerusalem, Sodom, and Jesus”,
    He began by asking the question, ”Why did God judge Sodom and Gomorrah?”
    He then when on to enlighten many by explaining…”Most of us could answer the question. We’ve heard about the same-sex culture and out-of-control sexual aggression that Sodom and Gomorrah are known for (Genesis 19:1-10).
    But is there a story about the twin cities that we might have missed? Let’s take a closer look.
    Sodom and Gomorrah In the 16th chapter of the prophet Ezekiel, the Lord says to the city of Jerusalem, ‘This was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; NEITHER DID SHE STRENGTHEN THE HAND OF THE POOR AND NEEDY. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit’ (Ezekiel 16:49-50).”
    Along with I’m sure many, many others at the time, I so needed Mart’s comments on this topic. I believe GOD wants to teach us that his desire is to restore us all to wholeness, SHALOM, and He does that in 2 ways; first by showing us greater and greater expanses of the length, height & depth of the love of Christ, and secondly upon seeing His great and glorious love, with our WILLingness, we eagerly remove the veil we had placed over our own hearts and start to trust God to lovingly show us how to examine our own hearts, so He can begin to root and ground us in that same love we are seeing in Christ, filling us with the fullness of and from the Father.
    At the same second God chose to bring me into this world in the richest country in the world some 55 years ago he also brought one or two others into the world, but placed them in impoverished areas like Biafra. And it is very likely that that those other 2 people have not survived as I have.
    How can I hope to find happiness here in my country when I waste enough of “God’s money” every day to keep at least a dozen or more of God’s little children from dying each day. Me and so many of us christians would rather be entertained with the latest in expensive gadgetry and other future kindling, & self-righteous fellowshipping, than to take a % of “God’s money” and lift our little brothers and sisters out of poverty, suffering and tragic deaths that come too soon.
    We ignore that after years of hard work with his hands, the apostle Paul in his final farewell at Miletus, to some of his dearest friends, that ‘It is the main purpose of working hard is to strengthen the hand of those that are poorer, more needy and weaker than ourselves, always remembering that our Lord Jesus taught us that we will be more blessed when we then give than we were when we have earlier received.
    Many Christians look upon giving and givers with jaundiced eyes, after all there are many non Christians that give. It is possible to give without loving, but it is impossible to love without giving.

  49. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

    If I have the gift of prophecy and fathom all the mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

    If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.”

    Paul’s teaching here seems very clear to me that love is above all things.

    Another clue I get about the importance of love is from Jesus who confirmed that the greatest commandment is to LOVE the Lord our God with all of our hearts, minds, souls and strength. The second greatest commandment being to LOVE our neighbors as ourselves.

    A heart that loves God will not sin. You can’t focus on God in love, worship and adoration and sin at the same time. So why do we take our focus off of God? Probably because self slips in and distracts us. It is self that thinks we are able to stop sinning by sheer force of will.

    The focus, the goal, the aim is not to stop sinning; it is to love and adore our God, our Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Gary, the impression I get from you is that avoiding sin is far more important than loving God, but the way I see it is that it is impossible to avoid sin without loving God. First love God, first seek His kingdom and then the sinning will stop.

    Not wanting to be judgemental at all, just praying that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge – that you may be filled to the measure of fullness of God. Eph 3:18

    Amen Steve. I agree with everything you say. I especially agree that Jesus didn’t mean that we should start chopping off body parts in order to stop ourselves from sinning. In fact I think He meant the opposite. I think He was talking to those who would say “I can’t help looking at what I’m not supposed to, my eyes want to look.” What they are saying is it’s not my fault it’s my eye’s fault. That is totally untrue, and Jesus points that out by saying, “then take out your eye.”

    It’s not our eye that makes us lust and it’s not our hand that makes us steal. It is an unhealthy heart that is trying to find fulfillment through the things of this world instead of allowing themselves to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

  50. poohpity says:

    tracey, everything? Even “to see people accurately”? I think it should be “to see ourselves accurately”. Would that not be judgement the other way? It is only when we see ourselves accurately do we understand the mercy, compassion and grace we have been shown and it stops us from even desiring to look at others because the same measure we use, it will be measured back on us. Matt 7:1-5 NIV; Luke 6:37,41-42

  51. poohpity says:

    If we think we are the heart doctors then we miss our appointment with HIM, the only true heart Doctor.

  52. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… you have quoted that: “if sin has no power over us but we still remain in it……
    this adding: but we still remain in it
    -we, that is you and me: you do not remain in sin, neither do I.
    So the *rest of your reasoning* is not of any use for us.”

    Then you say, “-if it is somebody else, then we should address that person on the actual sin he or she is staying in. We should bring the sin to light, and the *rest of your reasoning* is of no use either.

    I trust Dear heart, that you are refering to actual scriptures, as was my reasoning, where you use “if it is someone else” where the word actually used in the scripture I’ve read says “brother.”

    And that word brother, is a fellow believer, or one who also has been saved and has had their “past” sins forgiven as well.

    1 John 5:16 “If anyone sees his *brother* commit a sin…

    I trust that word “anyone” referes to both you and I, and all other brothers who are saved.

    So, “If we see a brother commit a sin… that means to me, that a fellow believer can still commit a sin, so we are certainly not without the ability to remain as sinners, if we are still able to commit sin.

    How can we then say we are also without sin?

    Just a small point… we are still sinners, able to repent and be forgiven, thank God.

    But, we are still able to also repeat or remain in our sin.

    Even though:

    Romans 6:6, “We should no longer be slaves to sin.”

    2 Timothy 2:19, “We must turn away from wickedness.”

    I believe it is “us” who are reminded to *put on* the Armor of God, Ephesians 6″6. Or, do you believe God has already permanently dressed us for the battle?

    I believe we are the ones who need to put on the armor daily, as we are all subject to the daily battle in our minds, that is spiritually revealed only to those who have had their minds renewed and have within them the power to overcome evil, but we must choose to walk in the power, or we are no different than anyone else.

    Galations 5: 16,17,18 “So I say live by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
    For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

    Our claim that we are no longer “under the law” is only is in effect, if you are led, or when we are walking in the Spirit, and not when we are serving as slaves to our flesh and its desires.

    That battle still rages on every day in the mind of every believer.

    Sorry if my reasoning seemed as if it was of no use, but the rest of your reasoning, that found in the surrendering of the will, certainly is.

    I really wanted to recite the verse that says something to the affect, if you correct a brother from his wrong way and he returns it will save both of you.

    Meaning we should not allow a brother to continue in his sins, turning a blind eye toward his wrong living.

    Others here may say that is being judgemental and pride filled, looking down on others, but the word says it is exactly what we should do.

    Extend a kindly rebuking hand…

    If he does not turn back, then, we are not responsible for him.

    My words, not the actual scripture.
    Gary

  53. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Hi pooh, to answer your question, I do think it is only with the heart of God in us that we can even begin to see people accurately. Not to say I can stand in judgement over them, but to see a person and see their flaws and sins as separate from the person God created them to be.

    Not to point it out to them or try to change them, but accept them and love them. That is what I long for from others, that they will overlook my flaws, failures, irritability, insensitivity etc and still somehow manage to love me anyway.

    To see people accurately is maybe to be able to say Father forgive them, they don’t know what they do. I say this not because I think that I am somehow able to be above sin myself and so forgive it in others. I say this because I know I am the worst of sinners and have received unspeakable mercy from God.

  54. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… you posted,
    “I would ask the question, who among us is able to be victorious over sin?”

    I would answer, “He who is able to do the Will of the Father.”

  55. oneg2dblu says:

    tracey… Have you noticed this one point?
    I’ve been talking to those who already love God, those who are saved, the churched, the children.
    So, we are not saying that love does not exist here, are we?
    We are surely not saying that love for one’s brothers and sisters in Christ does not exist here.

    We are instead saying, perhaps we don’t love enough or love as we should, or perhaps feel as loved as we think we should or as we think others should love us.

    So, do we speak only of love if we love others,or do we share the rest of the word also if we love others?

    Gary

  56. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Gary – I have noticed that point. Have you?

    John 15:9-17

    When you say “we” do you mean me and you, or do you mean everyone who comments on the blog, or do you mean the royal “we” which is yourself alone?

    I am wondering what you are trying to convey with your comments.

    I need people to keep things simple or I easily miss the point.

  57. poohpity says:

    tracey, does God look at us with accuracy or through the blood of the lamb? If we could also look at others that way rather than dust looking at dust it would very different but that takes one who is so closely grafted to the vine and allows His blood to flow through their veins. No more looking down on others but across or feeling spiritually superior because all that we have, has come from God and is available to all. If accuracy equals humility but more often than not accuracy leads to pride.

  58. narrowpathseeker says:

    There are times when I hear some Christians conveying their views, I find it analogous to Hitler preaching LOVE…..Charles Manson preaching sanity…..or someone well known for their arrogance preaching humility. It would seem reasonably obvious that those people were not in possession of the qualities they were preaching to others.

    I examine myself daily and a detailed list of my transgressions and remaining fleshly nature never comes up short. Many things on any given day’s list could be things that I thought I had long been delivered from. It is not HIDING those sins by preaching against them and hoping I can deceive mere man into NOT seeing them in me. It is in recognizing them, confessing them, and asking forgiveness, and hating those sins in me and NOT in being proud of them or being proud that I THINK I have them well hidden. The TRUTH shall set us free…Satan is the father of lies, so it seems to me that lying and being deceitful is one of the worst sins.

    Therefore, I openly confess that jealousy, hatred, anger, self-righteousness, false pride and the like can erupt in me intermittently on any given day. This keeps me praying intermittently throughout the day and could possibly be what was meant by “pray without ceasing”. Of course I thank Him intermittently throughout the day as well. The greater sin than the sins I commit would be in justifying my sins and I am not above that now and then either and that is yet another sin I confess when I become aware of it.

  59. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Pooh – I think looking at us through the Blood of the Lamb is the accurate way to look at us. We have been washed by His blood and that is accurate.

    However, as much as I claim we shouldn’t do it, I still find myself looking down on others. I definitely struggle with pride. I already regret my previous comment to Gary where I come across as snide even while I’m trying to speak about love.

  60. phpatato says:

    Tracey I full understand what you are trying to say and I agree with what you have said.

    Deb you said “tracey, everything? Even “to see people accurately”? I think it should be “to see ourselves accurately”. Would that not be judgement the other way?

    May I ask this point of view of looking at ourselves accurately…what if I stood in front of the bathroom mirror every day after I get out of the shower. What better time to examine myself. I am clean and smell fresh because after all I just finished washing all the dirt from the day before down the drain. So there I stand..looking at myself staring back at me and I ask myself..what do I see. Well ah I guess I could clean my teeth and get a q-tip to clean my ears. I see a few grey hairs but thankfully not too many.

    Trouble with this is, the mirror I am standing in front of is completely fogged up by the steam from the shower. I stood there peering at myself but am unable to clearly see what really needs cleaning.

    I welcome people who nicely point out that I have food stuck between my teeth; that I have a milk mustache that I didn’t get wiped away; that I have a run in my stocking (wow now there’s a memory lane trip for ya :-). The point I am trying to make is sometimes we can’t see our faults accurately because of the foggy steam. There are times that we have to gracefully and thankfully have strangers tell us what we can’t see in ourselves. Should we get defensive and angry and accuse them of judging us or looking down upon us? I would like to think that God would like for us to take what we have been told so that we can work on changing what others can so plainly see that we don’t. To me, a friend isn’t afraid to tell me what I need to know (yes I’ll say it…in love). And in return, I need to appreciate what they are trying to tell me, recognize that it is for my own good and be glad that they loved me enough to even care.

    Pat

  61. foreverblessed says:

    Petros, thank you very very much for your post.
    Helping the needy…giving to the poor
    Giving is also in the prayer that the Holy Spirit lays in our heart, and ours is the believing that God will do what we ask in His name, thinks pertaining the Kingdom of God, that as He promised He will do it.
    God is awesome that He wants us to be involved in saving the lost.
    Last week I had a tremendous act of the Holy Spirit, while I was driving home from a family reunion, I was praying for family members who now want to live their lives without God, but an accident happened, just in front of us, a huge accident, driving 130 km per hour, the car sweeping to the right banging a concrete wall, then being parashuted to the left, turning several times and hitting the rail on the left, hovering back and landing on its side.
    We stopped and I prayed, our son was in the car who is studying medicine, becoming a doctor, we asked if he wanted to check on them, and he wanted to, so we stopped, and well….
    they all climbed out of the car,! And I praised God!
    But that is not the end of the story, they were young guys, and probably the car of their parents, a french car, and one of them held in his hands something as his big treasure, it was hash, or wiet we call it!
    These were guys from France driving to the Netherlands, get some hash and drive back. The driver was not stoned, but the rest of the guys were.
    Now there the thing started, I started to pray, and pray, and did not end, it was as if the Holy Spirit took over, and it went on and on. And when we were home, it started again at night, praying about the salvation of these guys, about their family, and I was getting so thrilled, and knew:this is about the Kingdom of God. In heaven I will see how God acted on that prayer, the prayer that was given to me by the Holy Spirit. THis is God working, this is about the Kingdom, this is helping the needy, and being concerned about the lost.
    A few day after that it started again.
    When I read Petros remark, immediately I wanted to share this, we have a job to do for God, and in His name, for the needy in the world.
    Bless God for all His work, bless Him all my soul within me, psalm 103:1

  62. foreverblessed says:

    Gary, thanks for responding, I would like to tell you I love you dearly, and when I say, that particular reasoning is of no use, then I say it our of love for you. Stop reasoning like that… as you do, -when you remain in your sin-and all the rest after that.
    We are freed from sin, we are washed in the blood of the Lamb, we do not want to sin, so we do not remain in sin. Remaining in sin is staying in it, and persevering in it, but as Tracey wrote, you cannot love God dearly, and remain in sin.
    and as Lovely wrote 1 John 3:9
    We do sin, but it is not the same as sinning we did before we were washed clean through the Lamb, it does not defile us through and through, it does not permeate our soul anymore, because the life of Jesus is in us, only our feet get dirty, and Jesus wants to wash our feet, John 13:10, and Jesus also says, wash one anothers feet, so I now do wash your feet, and I am very thrilled in how clean they are, and I pray that they will be feet that bring good tidings, Isaiah 52:7 feet that bring the message of peace, of peace through the cross, and I praise God for doing that work in you and through you!

  63. oneg2dblu says:

    tracy… when I use the word “we” I am mostly refering to the collective body, the universal church, all believers in general, or the children of God.

    We, all those being grafted into the vine, or all us Christians.

    We are to bear fruit, good fruit, and much fruit.

    Those who bear fruit, will be pruned and that pruning, or correction, although painful at the time, will create in us even more growth.

    Those who do not bear good fruit though, they will be cut off and thrown into the fire, and there will be no more life in them.

    We must remain in the vine, where we must produce good fruit, or we will be cut off, and cast out.

    Where one sees only faith, or the remaining, another sees the remaining and the bearing of fruit, the faith with action, or works of obedience.

    “If you love me… you will obey my commands.”

    Gary

  64. poohpity says:

    tracey, exactly we all have dirty faces and do things we do not want to do and say things we often times wish we had not. It is Jesus who gently washes those faces, cleans up our words and changes our actions over time as we spend more time with Him. Seeing in ourselves those things is what helps us cling more to the grace and mercy of our loving, compassionate God. We see the ugly, God sees Jesus. If we could only look in the mirror and say things like; Jesus died for you; God loves you with all your flaws and mess ups. I think we would be quicker to show that to others if that is what we believed for ourselves.

  65. remarutho says:

    Good Afternoon All —

    These are matters of what a healthy heart can accomplish. The unity of the body of Christ is established by the Christ-conditioned heart, soul and mind. The window-washing — the setting to right — of our interior life produces the same change in those who associate with us.

    “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,’ and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8-10

    The Holy Spirit does all the heavy lifting. We do not have to judge cases. Our interior wholeness (holiness) spreads faith in Jesus.

    You and I lean into the working of the Spirit. Day to day, we breathe in Jesus Christ and breathe out Jesus Christ — and our transformation is transforming.

    Yours,
    Maru

  66. royalpalm says:

    Mart, thank you for this topic; I also appreciate the thoughts of everyone.

    (Cherielyn, I too am praying for you. May God’s loving kindness and tender mercies comfort , encourage and sustain you even as you trust in His unfailing love. I hope this prayer of trust and confidence in the Lord will also lift your spirit: Psalm 73:23, 24, 25, 26.)

    Mart you wrote, “Physically and spiritually, our need for a healthy heart is critical as it is obvious…Jesus, as we all know, emphasized a healthy heart above all necessary concerns for the body.” I totally agree with these statements. Tracey your 8:53 a.m. post also expressed my sentiments on love…

    As pointed out, God who is our Creator, Lord and Saviour commanded us to love HIM with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our strength. Deut. 6:5 Matt. 22:37

    To me how we respond to this command is the measure of our lives for what is in our hearts affects what we do, say, or think. Luke 6:45 The Scriptures reveal that God examines every heart and considers each man’s purposes, intents and desires. He wants to know how we value Him in our innermost being. He constantly examines and tests our heart and works with it I Chron. 28:9 Deuteronomy 8:21 Samuel 16:7. Psalm 7:9 and He uses His Word to expose what is in our heart. Hebrews 4:12 The acceptability of our worship and service depends on its condition. Matt. 15:8

    God’s command to love Him was first given to the Jews after they were rescued from bondage through miracles and wonders and were on their way to a land of abundance and blessing. God had faithfully provided for their needs and had promised to take care of their future also. These demonstration of God’s love, faithfulness, power, mercy and grace should result in a heart that overflows with love, gratitude, praise and worship. Deut. 7:6, 7, 8,9,11. Deut. 10:12,13,14

    In the same way, we who put our trust in the Lord Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, the chosen nation of today (1 Pet. 2:9) should constantly meditate on the goodness and love of God in Jesus Christ so we develop a heart that is thankful, loving, devoted and loyal to Him. We are advised to sanctify the Lord God in our hearts, and to be always ready to declare His wonderful works in our lives.1 Peter 3:15

    The heart’s natural inclination is to sin so God wants us to always examine our hearts. constantly seek Him and to decide to honor, love and obey Him wholeheartedly. Psalm 139:23-24 Deuteronomy 4:39, Deuteronomy 5:29 Psalm 9:1

    Those who did were not disappointed . They were entrusted with God’s wealth, wisdom, ability, and the privilege of doing His work. Ezra 7:10, Daniel 1:8 2 Chr. 31:20,21, Ex. 36:2 They gave and served willingly and with joy and God strengthened and helped them succeed. I Chr. 29:9 Ex. 35:21 2 Chr. 16. It is good to remember that Solomon, despite his wisdom, power, and wealth contributed to the break-up of his kingdom because his heart was turned away from the Lord and he was not loyal to God. 1 Kings 11: 3, 4,9. The success and failures of the kings of Israel/Judah were determined by the devotion and loyalty of their hearts to God.

    If our lives seem to be empty and going nowhere this might be the source of our problem – our hearts have not sanctified the Lord.

    Deuteronomy 5:29” Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!”

    Psalm 19:14 “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my strength and my Redeemer.” May this be a constant desire and prayer of our hearts.

  67. remarutho says:

    I share this check in my spirit over the word Ezekiel brought to Jerusalem. No condemnation of anyone or anything is intended.

    Do we dare take an exceedingly closer look at the spirit of Genesis 19:1-10 and Ezekiel 16:49-50? In both cases, the human heart is in desperate need of healing, Petros (re: your post of 8:38 a.m.)

    Recall the crime of Gibeah:
    “As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, worthless fellows, surrounded the house, beating on the door. And they said to the old man, the master of the house, “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may know him.” And the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, “No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly; since this man has come into my house, do not do this vile thing. Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out now. Violate them and do with them what seems good to you, but against this man do not do this outrageous thing.” But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine and made her go out to them. And they knew her and abused her all night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go. And as morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her master was, until it was light.” (Judges 19:22-26)

    At daybreak, when her master told her to get up, she could not – she was dead.

    Perhaps someone in our century would conclude that it was better for the men of the city to rape and abuse the concubine, rather than to rape and abuse the man visiting the city. Is this equivalent to showing a lack of hospitality or concern for the poor?

    My own thoughts turn immediately to the young female student on the bus in New Delhi India who was raped with sticks and other implements until her internal organs were destroyed, in December 2012. She died in the hospital, rather than on the street, where the men threw her naked and bleeding. That is the extent of the mercy extended to her.

    It might seem to be morally blurry to choose whether to rape a man or a woman to death. The cases are clear, and “judgment begins with the household of God.” (1 Peter 4:17) These acts of rebellion seem to me to be much more than just a failure “to aid the poor and needy.” (Ezekiel 16:49, 50). Rape in Sodom or Gomorrah is equivalent to rape in New Delhi. Rape of a man or of a woman is equivalent. Homosexuality is a separate issue, and also will be subject to God’s loving examination.

    We are simply called to pray and intercede in the Spirit, believing God for the transformation.

    Maru

  68. poohpity says:

    Bob Carlisle has a song called “We Fall Down”. The refrain says “The Saints are just the sinners who fall down and get up”. We get up by the hand of grace, we push others down by not fully understanding that grace.

  69. Artle says:

    I have considered wandering away from here; quite difficult at times to decipher the comments; but for some reason I keep checking the thinking. One of my basic ideas is that I am where I am for a reason, so I decided to delve a little deeper into the heart of the three most instructional chapters of Jesus’ teachings (Matt 5-7).

    As for me, Jesus is teaching and raising the bar of what it means to be His disciple, summarized in Matt 5:20. If I receive His words as instruction, then He is telling me to be humble, gentle, merciful and holy while seeking His kingdom, reconciling others to Him, and mourning for those who know Him not yet; understanding that my actions for Him will bring adversity from the world. If I count His instructions as commands (Matt 5:19), will that make me a great disciple? I think yes and I would certainly be happy and spiritually prosperous (Blessed), and have a healthier heart too.

  70. plumbape says:

    Sorry I have not commented but I’ve been busy but God gave my a wife Sharon a second chance! Praise the Lord and thank you all for the prayers. She will spend a lot of time rehab, in a more intense therapy hospital. It a smaller hospital so much more personal just in a different county. Out of any critical conditions, no I.V. She can eat and swallow peered food. She will get on the state disability Medicaid now, at least I believe she will. God is good and still has a plan for me and her or we would be dead by now. I pray and talk to Christ as if he is in the room, or vehicle, I ask for help and I find myself doing it thinking I couldn’t going into it. I will pray for the people that ask and always read when I have time. I’m a couple behind, but I continue to bless people with the skills He gave, be honest don’t charge much. A lot of people give me more than what I ask for. Jesus is alive and waiting for people to humble there self, or he might have to step in and humble you by just letting people do what they WANT and just ignore Him. He can get your attention! It’s always for the good of the person. Good nigh all and God bless you all. Michael plumb crazy, lol

  71. SFDBWV says:

    If you examine 1 Corinthians 13 1-13 what you see is the difference between doing what is considered *right* and having a healthy heart.

    It is with a healthy heart that we are able to see past the outward actions of someone and see the pain they suffer and instead of contempt we have compassion.

    People who loudly proclaim themselves to be *Christian* yet look for faults in another and are quick to accuse the brethren do not yet have the fully healed heart Jesus speaks of in the Beatitudes.

    But do not think too badly of yourself for this condition, as every person who calls upon the name of the Lord is saved, yet every person saved is undergoing a metamorphosis into a new creature with a new heart and the process will not be complete until we are with Christ at the resurrection. So every person is at different stages of the change within.

    Maru reminded us of one of the ugliest actions of the evil in our broken world. I applauded the Indian court for giving these men the death penalty, and yet should rather want for these men to have the opportunity to know Christ first before they face God in judgment. Yet even in this I trust that God who is far above my abilities will judge these men accurately and with divine justice.

    It is with the eyes of your heart/spirit that you see with; what is it you see, a child molester or the broken condition that created him, a liar or the vulnerable child within, a bully or a frightened coward?

    Jesus lays upon us the onus to rise above ourselves and surrender to Him, where our hearts are not healthy enough to be perfect even as He is His heart in us can help us grow toward that goal.

    Steve

  72. narrowpathseeker says:

    STEVE!! As I read your message at 6:12 am I thought of it as one of the most beautiful examples of Christlike teaching that I can recall. It was Convicting without attack and Loving without ulterior motive. I have to confess that I have difficulty seeing the latter attributes of your 3 examples, way too often. The vision that I think Christ desires for me to have seems to fade in and out.

    I seem to have the most trouble with the liar. I think my spiritual sight has been badly damaged from a very long era of dark, painful, and violent experiences with a liar that I endured by choosing to SEE a vulnerable child. I know Christ can repair that damage and He has in part as I CAN sometimes still see the vulnerable child in some liars, but yet for others I am still spiritually blind as I see only a darkness that light won’t penetrate. However, your post this morning touched my heart in a way that has renewed my hope and desires in that area. Thank you.

    Pearl

  73. SFDBWV says:

    Pearl you are doing fine, don’t be too hard on yourself, you see excellently.

    Steve

  74. lovely says:

    Gary
    i like to acknowledge your your post and thanks for your encouragement. I don’t know if you’ll be reading this but i caught up with work and sometimes i am unable to post because i wasn’t accessible to an internet
    Anyway i read all the comments here
    God bless you all.

    Lovely

  75. cherielyn says:

    It took me a few days to read the blog and all the comments. I wish my thought processes were working properly enough to make comments of my own, but the pain medication I am on dulls my mind.

    Thank you, all of you, for your kind thoughts, encouragement, support & prayers. I have an appointment with the neurosurgeon next week Wednesday at 9:00 a.m.

    Steve, you asked about Mike. In some ways he has regressed even more. He has become more belligerent, which is/can be a normal phase of the type of dementia he has. Not knowing if it is frustration or actually the dementia causing the belligerence, his caseworker got him into a sheltered workshop, one day per week, to see if a change in environment might help. He has a follow-up appointment with a neuropsychologist, next month, to track the progression of his dementia.

    In the meantime, not knowing what the outcome will be for me, I am anticipating a standby guardian for him, just in case.

    Your prayers are so appreciated!

  76. poohpity says:

    cherielyn, I am praying with you. It would probably be a good for me not to write in the afternoon or evening also because of my medication the words do not seem to come out right and get misunderstood often and my heart intent gets lost. So I understand. Love you Deb

  77. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… you posted “People who loudly proclaim themselves to be *Christian* yet look for faults in another and are quick to accuse the brethren do not yet have the fully healed heart Jesus speaks of in the Beatitudes.”
    And you quote some of 1 Corinthians as your guide.
    1 Corinthians 5:9,10,11,12,13 is also as scriptural as it gets, and that scripture clearly says, “we must judge others” who claim to be Christian’s but are living in known unrepentant sin.
    I am not saying we must take a fine tooth comb and run it through everyone.
    But, we can not look the other way either, and allow others who are also in the body of believers to continue to live in their unrepentant ongiong lifestyles of sin.
    We all occaisonally sin and I trust we all repent when we do, But, unrepented sin is disobedience.
    That sin, is like yeast in the church, it sdlowly becomes accepted as to not make waves,or we judge.
    That spreads quickly, and already has here today, as we label it forgiving others in love.
    Forgiving and then condoning their sin are not the same thing.
    But only certain people will ever make a stand against any wrong teaching, or any leading which results in the churched being allowed to remain in their sins unrepentant.
    For the brothers in Christ, we need to judge, or else we are guilty of omission, or failing to adhere to good sound teaching, actually found in the word.
    Paul who certainly qualifys as one who loudly claims, and looks at others in the body, and calls them out for their sin, is judging others for sure, he judges because he must judge.
    We must judge others who claim to be Christian also, or we are not following the scriptures, or the Holy Spirit within us, that see anothers wrong living, or their following of false teaching, and then just let it go as to not judge.

    So Judge, as loving as your words and advice usually are, I do not fully agree with your very judgemental opening statement.
    However, to be properly scripturally guided, we should not judge those who clearly live in the world and do not claim to be Christian, for they are the lost.
    Those people, the lost, we are to lovingly tolerate and not condemn or judge, but we are to bring them to the truth found in the gospel message in such a way that they see we care for them.
    We are never to embrace their lifestyle, or support their current unrepented sinful lifestyles.
    Even the lost know how to say, Don’t judge me! Who are you to judge me? You think you are holier than me. Who made you God? You intolerant bible basher!
    We are never to tolerate unrepented sin, and only the sinner is to be tolerated, unless he claims to be a Christian.
    Then we confront, correct in love, and give them a chance to repent, or we are to expel them. We are not even to eat with him.
    According to Paul’s teaching, we who are Christians, have the Holy Spirit’s authority in us, to not toleraste unrepented sin.
    I know this was lengthy, but it needed to be, or some here may just fall for a false thinking sbout what we should tolerate and what should not be tolerated or correctly judged as professing Chrisitians from other brothers and sisters in Christ.
    Sorry for sharing a very hard teaching which is more easily avioded by many churches today, and thusly misunderstood by by many.
    Or, we soon become subjeced to others comments, or wrongly taught concepts who quote only use the verse that says, “We will be judged by how we judge others,” everty time they are beinf callec out or corrected.
    That would be a misuse of scripture and context if it were used in this case.
    I would have let this issue slide, but was reminded last night in the teaching we recieved in 1 Corinthians 5, some things we are not to tolerate.
    In His Love, Gary

  78. cbrown says:

    Below is guidance given by our Lord Jesus Christ in Love Mathew 7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how [b]can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

  79. oneg2dblu says:

    cbrown… what wonderful advice you share my brother. I’m sure your heart is pure in the sharing.

    Below is more guidence by the word of God, also given in Love.

    We seem to always use that “love word” to try to dis-spell any opposition or object whether speck or blank, we need to see sin in another and call it out of another, if displayed by another in the church, the body of Christ.

    In the world however, that is another story.
    But in the church by the dictate of the word, we must live by a higher standard than the rest of the world.

    I may call it obedience, you may call it works, but it works every time we apply it properly.

    In the body we have to *test everything* or we see nothing, no sexual immorality, no false teachers or prophets, no masquerading as angels of light, no chosing between good and bad character or people, or their fruit.

    Or we to just find for ourselves lost in wonderful form of blindness, created by this word love?

    Not according to the teaching that I was citing, where Paul (the hypocrit) who loves his church, was instructing what others in the church must impliment.

    Unfortunately, the verses you are citing deals with hypocritical judgment only, but it is falsely taught to apply to every judgmental situation instead, to stifle the holy scripturally based judgment and discernment that should live within every believer, and not produce this blindlessness created by the misuse of scripture and context.

    There is a time to judge, there is a place to judge, and there is a people who need to know the difference.

    Gary

  80. Artle says:

    Matthew 7:1-2 seems to be universally applicable. I don’t understand why it would not apply to any situation where one person judges another for any reason (rightfully or wrongfully). It does not say judging is wrong, only that one who judges receives the same measure when they are judged. Judge fairly and you will be fairly judged.

    It seems odd to me what many people view as judgment. To me judgment includes a punishment. I don’t view critiques or disagreements or stated viewpoints that are different than mine as judgments. If someone says my ideas are garbage, it’s an opinion, unless they throw me out of the club because garbage thinking isn’t allowed, in which case it becomes a judgment. If my ideas really are garbage and they throw me out, their judgment is fair. If my ideas are not garbage and they throw me out, their judgment is not fair.

  81. poohpity says:

    I think the wisdom of that Matt passage is saying we have so much in our own lives that needs work it would benefit all included if we just concentrated on that as the Lord works in us and let the Lord work in others lives as well. Have you ever been around someone who sees all your flaws, how hardhearted they usually are, that seems to be the opposite of a heart that is filled with mercy and grace.

  82. poohpity says:

    Not only hardhearted but most times down right mean spirited and the message of the Cross is not in them.

  83. poohpity says:

    It is the love of God that leads to repentance not God’s judgement. What makes a human being think they have the right to judge another fellow human being while not being able to see their heart? That can only be the pride that comes from within, apart from the Spirit of the Living God. That Spirit helps us beat our chest realizing we are sinners saved by grace and that is our message not shared in judgement but in mercy.

  84. plumbape says:

    I’m not judging, Steve clearly said he had the right to defend his wife and son. I’m just asking where or what book he got that from, certainly not the bible, what ever version of it you use. Are we not accountable to our brothers and sisters in Christ? He sounds, when he says things like that, as if he is the one besting on his chest. Deb you know me I love everybody and my actions show it. I don’t have the right to do anything that Jesus wouldn’t want me to. The time I was commenting before we were discussing a similar subject and he said to seek some help for my situation and my wife, I did that. Still live here , got my wife to talk to a therapist and me to. She was not doing what I was or what I pleaded with the love of Christ in my heart. Now she’s humbled and has to do what I was trying to get her to while she still could willingly do it. I drive my old van that me and Jesus take care down south 45 minutes to see her and encourage her. She is being moved up to the south side of Indy Monday. I don’t know any more what to say or how to say it but I’m prompted by the Holy Spirit in my heart. If it offends some one, take it up with Jesus not me, I’m following the Masters lead, not man’s
    Love
    Michael

  85. poohpity says:

    Indy, you did not call names and say how horrible a sinner someone was, I took it as you had questions about the intent of a heart and compared that to what was said in the Bible.

  86. poohpity says:

    It also sounds like you have been holding some hurt in your heart for a while.

  87. plumbape says:

    Pooh, I’ve have been was seeing a therapist that helped me understand some things I had never seen it that way. But when I kept referring to the Bible and scripture she hooked me up with a guy named Peter ( The Rock ) who has a degree in divinity as well as therapy. He’s told me many times it was good to met someone with such faith. Both ask if I considered a devorce and I had but the bible St. Paul I believe said ” if you are married, stay married, I’m a very devoted person who at a young age bought in to that honor amoung thieves went to prison, bought in to some more racist garbage twice before the light bulb came on. Did mention I’m not to bright in a lot of ways! But I’ve read a lot and still clean up fair for a 56 year old, 6 ft.2″ skinny white boy, lol. ( if I’m wearing my teeth! ). The Lord led me to some people that help and social workers who don’t get paid nearly as much as what they deserve. I still do professional plumbing at a very small price and people that just understand from my actions they can trust me, Oswald Chambers said if God uses us t bless someone they won’t even know they were a blessing which is not to say we can bless someone and know it, I guess. He is not done with me or my wife Sharon or we would have been asleep in the first death. Steve probably does not feel at his age and understanding he needs to explain himself and I can except that. But Jesus does not want his followers to take up a sword or any weapon against another human being.
    Michael
    Plumbape
    p.s. I like the spell check but don’t always feel like using a dictionary, so forgive the errors, lol. I’m done with the subject for now, thanks for your input, I know you used to councele people I can’t spell or figure out this new windows 8, chrome google gadjet we bought, lol. I’m working on it though :-)

  88. poohpity says:

    Thanks for sharing, I hear you!!

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