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Forgiving God

My guess is that the idea of forgiving God could sound irreverent. I also know, however, that for some of us it’s a struggle that is real– even if that makes us morally and spiritually suspect. Because of terrible things that have happened to us, we are angry, embittered, and beside ourselves in disappointment with God. I’m not there right now. But I’ve been there.

Before wading in, let’s recap how we got here. In an earlier series of posts I talked about wanting to think together about some issues of forgiveness. You responded well and together we’ve done some thinking about issues of being forgiven, forgiving others, forgiving ourselves, and then forgiving God. I’ve delayed the last until now.

So where should we start? To begin with, I’m not sure that those of us who have a beef with God actually think he has done something that is morally wrong. The issue is more that many of us feel that God has wronged us– in ways that have broken our hearts, shattered our trust, and caused us to wonder how a loving Father in heaven could ever take something so precious to us.

If that sounds uncomfortable to talk about, it’s important to see that God himself has devoted part of his own book to help us explore our struggle to come to terms with what he has either given– or withheld from us.

Job, according to one of the oldest stories in the Bible, was a good man who lived long enough to see his life to go bad. By God’s own indication (which Job was not able to hear), the man from Ur Uz, was God’s pride and joy.

Yet after Job and his wife lost precious children, their immeasurable grief was complicated even more by the loss of Job’s wealth, his health, and his reputation in the community (Job 1-2) . His dear friends even accused him of hiding the scandal that would explain why such terrible things happened to him.

In the middle of overwhelming, numbing pain, Job complained, “God has wronged me, and has surrounded me with His net. If I cry out concerning wrong, I am not heard. If I cry aloud, there is no justice. He has fenced up my way so that I cannot pass; and he has set darkness in my paths. He has stripped me of my glory, And taken the crown from my head. He breaks me down on every side, And I am gone; My hope He has uprooted like a tree. He has also kindled His wrath against me, and He counts me as one of His enemies. His troops come together and build up their road against me; they encamp all around my tent. He has removed my brothers far from me, and my acquaintances are completely estranged from me. My relatives have failed, and my close friends have forgotten me (Job 19:6-14).

Maybe it would be good to stop here– and take some time to think about this together. Is this quote from one of the best of men enough reason to see that “forgiving God” may be something that is OK for us to talk about? Can we wade into this together without expecting self-righteous sermons from one another? I hope you know me well enough to know that I’m saying that with a smile…


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20 Responses to “Forgiving God”

  1. siesand says:

    I’ve been angry at God at times. One time was during 14 years of desiring a child and receiving no answer from God except, “Wait.” One day I was praying about it and I felt God’s compassion. I realized that He was sorry that I had to wait but that He had a reason. He just couldn’t tell me that reason. God is sovereign and can do as He wants. That doesn’t mean that He doesn’t hurt when we do. Remember Jesus wept when Mary came to him weeping about Lazarus. Knowing God cares when we are in pain helps. By the way, at age 36, I had my first child and three more after that. They are worth the pain I went through waiting.

  2. brownsfan1642 says:

    This is a very real issue for so many people. It may be, however, that the heart of the issue has less to do with “forgiving” God and more to do with maintaining trust in Him despite difficult and painful circumstances. That seemed to be Job’s issue in at least one part of his story, when he said, “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.”

  3. Gale L. Jarvis says:

    Mart in my 48 years in Christ, the first 25 years i probably argued with God more than any other person, and as you mentioned it was because of my self righteousness, i always forgave God after the Holy Spirit convinced me The Father was right, the Holy Spirit always found a way to not put me down with my foolishness, but was able to help me forgive my Heavenly Father, because He is always right.
    I still have what i call a pity party once in a while since the Lord took my wife Joy, but the Holy Spirit knows how to comfort, thereby anger at God does not come out, but i am sure many have a problem with God when a part of you has been taken away.
    I have not needed to forgive God for letteing Satan put the A.L.S. disease in my body, because i know i Love God, and thereby even this tragedy has worked out for good, the Holy Spirit has helped me see several great things happen already, and will continue to show me the good.
    I believe reasoning things out with God is a very healthy thing to do, but i have learned arguing with God is useless, all the battles i was in with God, i never won even one.

  4. hal.fshr says:

    The inner conflict you have lifted up is a real one. Few believers feel comfortable admitting it. The word “forgive”, however, may not be the best term. An English definition of “forgive” reads: “To cease to feel angry or resentful towards; pardon.” Clearly the first sentence seems to agree with your comments. The suggested synonymn “pardon” does not. In all the troubles Job experienced, conflict resolution came when he recognized God’s Sovereignty. Like two book ends, this acknowldegement was at the beginning of his sorrows (Job 1:21-22) and near the end (Job 42:1-6). And so expressing pain to God over life’s apparent contrdictions seems to be the Job model, while “pardoning” God for an offense does not. One other point, I think you meant “the man from Uz” not “the man from Ur” (Job 1:1). :)

  5. Mart De Haan says:

    Ur, uh, Uz, ooooohhhhh Ur right. Thanks for catching, hal.fsher!!

  6. gbmommy says:

    Mr. DeHaan- First of all, thank you. This is my first time visiting your site, and the timing could not be more perfect. Seven years ago this week my hubby and I experienced Job’s “over whelming, mind-numbing pain”. This “anniversary date” is my hardestday of each year. We are biological and adoptive parents. Seven years, 2 months ago we welcomed a beautiful, newborn daughter into our home. Two months later, on the last legal day, her birth mother changed her mind. The pain of losing that child, yet knowing she is “somewhere” and not knowing if she is “ok” is indescribable. We are dedicated Christians and have relied on God to get us through this, yet I can relate to Job, to that pain, anger and frustration. I look forward to your next post.

  7. charlie64 says:

    mart I to have struggled with “forgiving God” and I suppose there will still be times that I will do so!But God has taught me to look for His “little Blesings” THAT HE GIVES ME EVERY DAY and not to focus on the hurt,bewilderment,sadness and questions that weave through my life!God knows my heart,so I came to realize that He also knows what I am thinking,so I need to talk to Him about the bad as well as the good thoughts!!! Also God created me to have free will{which I don’t totally understand]so I think even though I believe and know that God is souverign He knows there are times I will be ” of out of sorts” with Him!!!!!and He loves me despite myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. goggbeenthinking says:

    What wonderful insights that posted here. Here from Broncos country, I agree with “brownsfan” the most.

    I think the notion of forgiving God introduces another angle of our world’s continued efforts to try to put God in a box or bring God down to our level. As most have said, some with scripture, God needs no forgiving. If we search our soul, we realize, we are the one’s that always need forgiving. That makes God that much more amazing, that He is perfect, knows the best for me, in which becomes a humbling experience for me. But I’m interested in the line of thought you want to proceed into.

    Everyone, thank you for sharing your struggles. I married when I was 40, and my wife is sad for not having children soon because of our age. It was hard being in a medium size church, where the next single male was 26. I cried out many times. But God married me to an incredible woman beyond my dreams. Whether we have children or not, it’s my duty to praise God always, which in my mind, doesn’t include forgiving God.

  9. estuardo says:

    We need to remember that Job DIDN’T have the back story we’ve been privy to all these years of the conversation God was having with Satan. Even though we do now, it still doesn’t make it easier to believe, that when we are in the middle of the funnel cloud of despair that God is taking care of our best interests.

    Having lost my Mom when I was 13, and never really given the appropiate help in grieving, siblings and my Dad emotionally distant, which led to my subsequent withdrawal and an easy target when I was sexually abused by a priest. Now, when trying to work things out in therapy, I still have no better level of comfort, and only a distanct understanding of my mistrust of all things Christian.

    My Step-mom died the day after Christmas this past year, leaving another huge hole in my heart and more questions. If that weren’t bad enough, my father-in-law died three days later, leaving many things to be done. I’m angry, grieving, and NO WHERE to vent my frustrations at ALL that has happened in my life, and only to receive platitudes, along with condensending remarks about my weak faith, wounded pride, etc.

    Nobody wakes up in the morning deciding to be an obnoxious jerk, but when life spits you out, it’s understandable why we see someone like Job reacting the way he did. Why do we keep putting him down for that? The guy was Lamenting! He needed a trusting shoulder to lean on and grieve!

    My family and I spent this weekend with my mother-in-law trying to help her fix things around the house my father-in-law left behind. So many unanswered questions, and lost time trying to find the things needed to fix the problems. I’m mad at this point, but no where to vent it off. I look into her sad eyes and see the desperation of someone looking for an answer I can’t help her with. And on it goes. No where in all this do I ever get asked how I’m doing, or if I need any help.

    BTW, I don’t want your prayers, only your shoulders!

  10. Mart De Haan says:

    Hey, we’re not alone in our struggles are we… Thank you so much for sharing your honest thoughts. I hope others will join in the conversation…

  11. zionscornerstone says:

    Hi everyone,
    I would just like to remark on tish’s reply being very insightful and encouraging. I agree 100% with her view and love the scripture she used to substantiate what she said. It’s always been a favorite of mine. Continue to let your testimony shine. The way you run with men will be evident to all in the race of horses of which we do not belong.

  12. shekaina says:

    Praise be to God for all these comments I often come back to read and be encouraged. Just recently my heart broke into two pieces. I really think and believe that this is from above which i prayed for many years for God to give me my helper. He then think that he is not going to be happy with me so he break off our engagement. It really hurts it cut deep into my heart first cut is the deepest. I ask God why he allows this to happen to me, I thought that He is looking out for me. I also look at my christian friends and ask why do they have an easy life why not me? and why me of all my christian friends?…… I cried I understand and know that it’s not good to blame God. I said that I don’t blame Him but still yet at the back of my head i still do. Just recently i ask God to forgive me for blaming Him for my situation. Eventhough I didn’t really said it’s his fault but it looks like. The way I respond to Him and all. And yes I understand that each of us are unique and that also keeps me going. And it’s very true when God wants to draw us closer we’ll face something tremendous in our lifes, something that we triger our attention to God. After this i’m trying my best not to look at my surrounding but focus on God. Jer 29:11 God have plans for us not to harm us but to give us hope.

  13. zionscornerstone says:

    Keep running with horses as Elijah did! :)

  14. Ronnie Blanchette says:

    I sometimes feel guilty for having such an easy life but part of it is choices made in light of Christian teachings. Still sickness and death of loves ones comes to all including me. I must say the frustrations with God for me are around struggles with sin as I would love not to have such struggles at all. Only painful sickness for me was two yrs ago with what turned out to be a kidney stone and even then I found a secular blood lab playing a Christian station (this in NY, not bible belt)and heard for the first time the song that has the words “I will praise you in the storm”. Having had nothing but bad black and blue experiencse with blood work since childhood, I was comforted and then it went smoothly, no rolling veins or black and blue marks. When I try to comfort others in bible studies and prayer groups I think just being there empathetically is all I can do and for them and myself it always comes down to the situation where Christ looses many followers due to a hard teaching and asks the remaining disciples, are you going to leave to, and they say, Lord where are we to go? That’s how I feel about God, I have no one else to turn to, so no matter what we have to wait on Him, and cry out to our compassionate master.

  15. Mart De Haan says:

    Ronnie that quote is so good, I want to copy it below. Starting with John 6:66 ( :-) how’s that for a coincidence?)the Gospel says, “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that you are that Christ, the Son of the living God.”

  16. davevb says:

    Perhaps forgiveness is the wrong concept here. Forgivness assumes some actual crime or guilt has been established and now awaits punishment or forgiveness. If I said to you “I forgive you for committing that murder” you’d probably want me to prove that you actually did do the crime. Forgiveness, unfortunately, can be used as a tactic to bypass the ethics of burden of proof and the establishment of guilt. Once forgiveness has been granted the accused can’t defend himself, so is forever tainted with the guilt, but the accuser walks away not only with a guilty verdict for his protaganist, but with the righteousness of being a “gracious forgiver”. Me, I’d like to see some actual proof of guilt before anyone talks about forgiveness.

  17. joestrummerr says:

    If one thinks about it…. Forgiveness opens up the future to the creative power of love. Forgiveness involves repentance, it is extinguishing our wrath towards another, the turning away of our own judgment and giving it back to God.

    Making peace with God may involve giving up the right to falsely accuse God, judge God and persecute God…In other words, Our peace may begin with forgiving God. When one turns away from wrongly accusing God the future is open to the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to comfort and heal a wounded soul. Everything changes.

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